Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Niners Edition
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 9:06 AM CST
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The Chicago Bears offensive line is terrible. I read an article around week 3 or 4 by one of the Bears beat writers that said our OL was pretty average compared to the rest of the league, that there are only a few really good OLs and only a few bad ones.
He had Chicago lumped in with all the rest and claimed us to be average.
You, sir (Pompei, Dickerson, Haugh... whoever it was) were wrong.
-For those of you clamoring for Kevin Shaffer to replace Orlando Pace, you got your wish. Pace either got the breath knocked out of him, as one report said, or he was feeling dizzy, as another said. Either way, Shaffer still sucks just like he did in the preseason.
- We got to see Frank Omiyale in the last drive at LG... Ron Turner said that he wanted a bigger body in there since we were going to passing every play.
- Chris Williams, who I have been supporting all season, looked awful at times. He made a few really good blocks, and showed very quick feet, but he also got blown backwards a number of times in pass protection.
- Luckily, Nick Roach's injury wasn't bad enough to keep him out of the game. After Vernon Davis trucked him, I was concerned that we would be down to our final 3 LBs.
- I support Lovie Smith and his defensive scheme. Jerry Angelo has not done a good job of acquiring talent in the secondary. That said, there is no excuse for week after week of penalties. penaltie that kill our drives, and penalties that keep alive our opponents' drives. That falls on Lovie. No excuses.
- Teams continue to miss FGs against the Bears. What's up with that?
- Hunter Hillenmeyer looked tiny last night. I don't know for sure, but he looks 10 pounds lighter than he did at the beginning of the year. Was it the injury? Either way, he did not look like a MLB last night. He looked like a unsersized CB trying to make one tackle on Frank Gore.
- Jay Cutler likes Greg Olsen as a receiver. Matt Forte does not like Greg Olsen as a run blocker.
- We saw our first glimpse of Shaffer on the Red Zone INT that Cutler threw. He was lined up left of Pace.
- Say what you will about Tommie Harris, but I'm not buying what he is selling. He looked good last night, but I want to see that happen again. Actually, I hope he plays at a high level for the rest of the year so we can try and get a 2nd round draft pick for him next year.
- Anthony Adams is fast. And round. He is round and fast.
- Alex Smith showed something on one play that made Hillenmeyer start pumping his hands up and down over his head as an audible to the defense. Then, Lance Briggs and Nick Roach started relaying the audible to the CBs, doing the same upward hand pumping. I thought "Wow, this looks like the Bears defense have sniffed something out... this looks really intense." Well, whatever it was, it looked cooler than it actually was. Niners converted a first down on the play.
- When our CBs are 10 yards off the WR, and the DL doesn't get pressure on the passer, the WRs can run 5 yard hitches all day long. Even on 3rd and 3.
- Oh yeah, one other thing that falls on Lovie Smith's shoulders: clock management. We were around our own 40 yard line at the end of the first half, with timeouts in our pocket, and saw the clock wind down from 1:07 to 0:37, with only 1 play being run. Apparently, the referees can't hear me calling timeout from the bar.
- Offsides, against the defense. 5 yard penalty, 1st down. Rinse, repeat.
- I have no idea how good of a head coach Mike Singletary is, but he damn sure looks the part. He is very involved in the game, and coaches up everyone on his sideline, from players to other coaches.
- WR screen, bubble screen, Matt Forte screen. Rinse, repeat. Our OL is embarrassing.
- Johnny Knox showed just the right amount of fight last night... hopefully Tommie was paying attention. Sure, stick up for yourself and push back. But let the other guy throw the punch, and walk away when he does. Then, we get the extra 15 yards... not the other way around. This after school special brought to you by Windy City Gridiron.
- The sheets of paper that have my notes written on them... smells like Bridgeport IPA. Not a good thing to smell with a hangover.
- Jay Cutler is the first Bears QB since 1962 to have two 4INT games in one season. Thanks for the stat NFLN.
- Shaffer didn't know his assignment on at least 2 plays last night. He kept trying to get them at the last second from Beekman. Oy vey, have I said our OL sucks? Because they do. Write that down.
- Matt Forte, bless his heart. That kid ran his butt off last night. And poor thing, couldn't actually get anywhere (except for receptions, but I'm talking about on rushes), but he sure did run hard. Love seeing the legs keep a'churnin'.
- As I've said before, it is pointless to try and find out whose fault something is... the fact is that our OL sucks, and a lot of our troubles would go away if it didn't. But, the officiating crew last night did not have a good game. I'm not blaming anything on them, because our OL sucks... but still. Won't be a pretty meeting Monday morning for those guys.
- Clock management at the end of the game... call a timeout Lovie. Clock ticked from 25 seconds to 17 seconds just so we could line up to spike the ball.
- Hey, Devin Aromashodu... nice footwork on the sidelines. Why were you dressed out again?
- Lance Briggs, thank you. You are a good football player on our team We need more of you.
- Stop trying to do the math and figure out how we can still make the playoffs. Our OL is terrible.
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Things I jotted down.
1. We suck.
2. We suck more than I thought we sucked.
3. Shaffer sucks more than Orlando Pace.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Nov 13, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
On 3rd and goal from the 1
The entire stadium and viewing audience knows Ron Turner is calling play action. What WRs does Jay have to throw to? Kevin Shaffer and Kellen Davis, McKie may have been running a route, I couldn’t really tell?? I didn’t like the play/personnel call but Cutler should have still thrown the ball out of the end zone or taken a sack.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One would think
that Turner would put Cutler in the best position to succeed. If he did this, he would’ve called play-action on 1st or 2nd down, not 3rd. Rediculous.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 13, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I know some people make fun of it, but what happened to the goaline FB dive??? It is a lame play but it works!
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
What happened to the goal-line play-action roll-out? And, how about it on first down!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by phastphil on Nov 13, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody F-up 1st and goal from inside the 5
Like the Bears F-up 1st and goal from inside the 5. The red-zone is a problem period. Unless we score on a big play, the closer we get to the end-zone the worse our chances are.
by Big Ike on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Suck
Because we can’t run the damn ball! Penalties, interceptions, yea, yea, but the real reason we lost is because our running game sucks big time!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by phastphil on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you cant run the ball.
a team is never going to win
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It also makes it a lot harder to sell the play-action
And puts a lot more pressure on Cutler.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Nov 13, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the 49ers are pretty amazing at stopping the run in between the tackles
Why did your OC keep calling running plays straight at Aubrayo Franklin (the NT)?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Needs to be repeated: Ron Turner sucks
3rd and goal from the 1-1/2 yard line, and everyone knew the play-action call was coming. EVERYONE knew. The freaking Nose Tackle dropped into coverage from the 1-1/2 yard line because he knew a pass was coming. From the freaking goal line, a Nose Tackle drops into coverage? When does that happen? Oh yeah, when everyone in the universe knows what play is coming. (It was still a horrible decision to throw that pass, but that play call was 10x worse).
by MuleTrain on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How do you tell
if ti was cutler’s fault? They have been saying all year that they give him the ability to audible out of plays. Shouldn’t he have been able to read the def? A lot of great QB’s do just that and change the play at the line.
by Jhitt81 on Nov 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay lost us the game.In the end but
But I think thats its a load of Bull that they gave him freedom.Since he is throwing 5 yard passes.O line sucks coaches suck.Krutz snaps suck.Angelo sucks.Owners suck.
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its just one big suck-fest
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as these coaches and Angie still there.
We wont win ANYTHING!We would be like the Cubs.Or they are already like the cubs
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just another reminder as to why our O-line sucks
On interception #4 I think when Cutler had to step up and Kellen Davis couldn’t beat the safety, Olin Kreutz, once again, rolled a shotgun snap back to Jay. Kreutz is so overrated. He gets blown off the line of scrimmage and his shotgun snaps are always low.
by MuleTrain on Nov 13, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OL is bad
But so is Forte. Most RBs when they receive a hand off run forward. Matt Forte does a little hop when he gets the ball. Two feet, up in the air, two feet, land together. Then he runs. It completely kills his forward momentum and he ends up with 1-2 yards. I don’t care if there is no hole, there were times that if he ran forward he could have pushed forward for 3-4 yards. He isn’t Chris Johnson. He needs to run forward and stopping hopping scared.
- The line actually looked great on the slip screens to Forte. Beekman was 50 yards downfield blocking on one of them.
- Nick Roach deserved to get injured for tackling like an idiot. If he went to hit Vernon Davis at the waste or below, VD probably couldn’t have even made the catch. Instead, Roach (like everyone else on our defense) tried to tackle at the chest/shoulders.
- Tommie Harris still has it. We were all spoiled with his sacks a few years ago but when he is in the game, it is not easy to run on the Bears.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought we tackled
pretty well last night.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just to be clear...
were you referring to the Bears or the people you watched the game with last night?
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus H. Ditka!
Please tell me you’re not one of those people?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
naaah, I was just being a smart ass
frustration
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Briggs is the man
Millen complimented Briggs’ tackling. The secondary however always tries to arm tackle (especially Tillman and Manning). There was a pass in the flat to Josh Morgan that Tillman tried to tackle him up high and Morgan was able to stretch it for about 3 extra yards. I don’t understand why we don’t tackle low. I am surprised we don’t horse collar considering we are always grabbing around the shoulder pads.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Tillman tackle
was nice. A lot of defenders would’ve grown roots there.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he took out Morgan’s legs, he would have saved 3 yards. Morgan almost stretched it for a first down. But I guess at least he made the tackle. I just wish our guys would tackle properly.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have your opinion...
but I still think it was a nice open field tackle that many defenders would have whiffed on.
And not to cherry pick your argument, but the play your referring to was a 3rd and 6 pass to Jason Hill. Tillman played the receiver well and stopped him a half a yard short and SF punted on the next play.
I distinctly remember the commentators talking about how good the Bears were tackling last night, even calling out Peanut on that particular play.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millen commented about defense
when Briggs was making tackles, not Tillman unless he mentioned something again later in the game.
It was 3rd and 6 and Hill (not Morgan, I think you are right) ran a short crossing route (didn’t stop on it like Hester) and used the ref as a screen. Tillman did a great job of staying with him and he caught the ball maybe two yards passed the line of scrimmage. Tillman made contact with him there then he stretched it to be about 8 inches away from a first down. So therefore yards after contact = approx 4.5. If he tackled at the waste instead of shoulders, I think that number would decrease. In the end, it was still 4th down and they punted, but we will miss tackles throughout the year if we keep going for shoulders. Maybe Tillman doesn’t go low because he has a bad shoulder?
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a little off the subject but
am I the only one who has trouble listening to anything Matt Millen has to say after the way he completely tanked in Detroit. To me, he has absolutely no credibility anymore.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people will believe anything
if you say it with enough conviction
by Hatchetm on Nov 13, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is tough, yes...
But, what I kept telling myself was, at the end of the day, he knows more about football than me or anyone I know.
He was a joke at Detroit… but their problems went even beyond Millen.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
[Sigh]
Let me paraphrase for you…
On Peanut (on that play in the 1st quarter):
… and a good tackle, but I wanted to show you what a lot of teams do in the league… (he then talks about using the refs to try and rub off a defender) …nicely done by the defender to trail him, and then a good tackle.
He then further goes on to talk about Tillman’s excellent execution of the play targeting the receivers shoulder and then wrapping up.
Later on in the second quarter was when he mentioned Briggs, but he started off by saying (paraphrasing again) “Something that we’re seeing tonight that we aren’t seeing a lot in the NFL, the Chicago Bears are tackling well.”
Bottom line… they needed 6 yards, Tillman stopped them at 5.5 (and all in the open field). I have my gripes about Tillman’s tackling, but you’re reaching here, imo.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with Millen then
I was using that as an example of how we target the wrong part of the body when we are tackling. I must have not heard Millen over me trying to yell to Tillman to tackle his legs. As stated above, it is Millen talking.
I was always taught to tackle low from the earliest age I started playing football. Am I wrong? Instead of discussing this one play, I am summarizing the whole year of our defenders being afraid to go low.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and as I said in the beginning...
I thought we tackled
pretty well last night.
I’ve never played DB before, so I may be off. But open field tackling when trailing a receiver is different than if your tacking someone head on. Much like the Willis (I think) tackle on Hester, he closed on Devin and targeted the shoulder and then moved down to wrap up. I think this is pretty much text book, but I may be off as well.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Willis
could tackle Devin Hester by looking at him reall hard.
For smaller secondary guys, they should hit low. Bigger guys don’t have as much of an issue. I remember us trying to tackle Michael Turner (guy is ALL legs) from the shoulders and he just kept running. Who knows.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tired of hearing about briggs being the man
Briggs is a good linebacker who will never be great. Nothing more. He is the best defensive player on a bad defensive team. And yes, the OL sucks and while a lot of that is about the players, the coaches share a huge responsibility for that. A compliment from Matt Millen – are you serious? The dude shouldn’t even be doing sports color after the mess he left in Detroit.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Nov 13, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Briggs is all over the field
He is a premiere LB in this league.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
he’s widely considered one of, if not the best 4-3 OLB
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 13, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's great
every play he’s in it and he would have had an int if it wasn’t for the refs
By the way that pass was tipped by Izzy
by DaHamsta on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed the hand pumping
on defense before. Pretty sure that is the audible for the DB’s to stand still and not cover anybody.
by Fridge72 on Nov 13, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for mentioning Aromashadu, in the pile of crap that was last night's game, that was a big league play
by a young man with no “non-special teams” playing time prior to that. Why he wasn’t in the game when we reached the redzone is just a mystery to me.
A couple of other observations, if I may.
Can we please stop saying Cutler is a great QB? Say he has a great arm, he has great potential, and you’re excited about what he might bring, but at this stage of his career, he is NOT a great QB. I’ve been defending him during the season, but his mechanics and decision making are horrible. I’m not saying he can’t improve, but I have my doubts as to wheter he will under this coaching staff, in fact possibly with most coaching staffs in the league. Jay, in my opinion, is a player who needs a coach who will encourage him but will show him some “tough love” until he improves the areas he is weak in. He needs someone who isn’t afraid of making him improve and have the stones to bench him if he keeps making the same mistakes. I do think he is getting gun shy from the hits he’s taking because of this terrible OL, but he’s still a pro and, while I don’t expect him to be perfect, he needs to overcome that feeling. It doesn’t mean he’ll make us win every game, but in 9 games he’s had 4 pretty bad ones. I don’t care what the other factors are, that is not an acceptable performance for a player of his status.
The Bears need to get a complimentary back to Forte who can hit the hole in short yardage situations. I only partially agree with your assessment about his running hard last night, he does when he’s in space and contact is made, but there were several times when he danced behind the line before hitting the hole. Not saying there were holes, but sometimes you have to just lower your shoulder and bang it. That’s not his strong suit.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Forte dancing behind the line
is because the OL is getting knocked 2 yards off the ball as he is getting the handoff.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes
Sometimes that was the case. There were also numerous times that I rewinded to rewatch a play that the line stood still (didn’t get pushed back ,didn’t push forward) and Forte hippity hopped. If there is no hole, we need him to have the mindset that he is gonna break through those guys and make a hole. Gore didn’t always have a hole, but he always ran straight forward knowing that he could pick up yards if he lowered his shoulder.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As bad as they are, and they do suck, it doesn't happen everytime
and I’m not saying replace him, I like the way he runs most of the time, but we also need a banger who you can throw into the mix. AP tries, but he’s not big enough or fast enough to be consistent at this stage of his career.
Also, can’t we have Knox run down the field and stretch the defense out more than once or twice a game? I don’t even care if we throw to him, but let the defense see his speed and maybe it will take one of the safeties out of the box to help our running game.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Devin hester can throw
Why not a screen to Hester and have Knox running full speed down field. Throw it DH throw it.
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DA
Was playing special teams too. I still think we need more #19.
Jamie Dukes in the post game also mentioned that we still need a #1 WR but has promoted Hester from a #3 to a #2. One bad game shouldn’t be used against Hester. He has made a lot of progress this year.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely on Hester, I'm just saying take advantage of the size mismatch with DA in the endzone.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY
The theory was he never dressed for games because we need our #4 WR to play ST. Well DA was playing special teams. I didn’t see anything spectacular on ST but I think if we use him in the red zone it will make up for it. I would rather through to him than Hester in the red zone cause of his size.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think about it, have they even tried to throw to Hester in the endzone?
I don’t mean on a long (over 20 yards) pass, but when they’re in the redzone. I honestly don’t remember that happening so far this season.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea JC has been locking in on TEs in the red zone. I don’t know, I am not at practice, but are we all really smarter than Ron Turner?
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do the Bears sh*t in the woods???
never hurts to pull that one out
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we name one. . .
one person (from recent years) who could be thrown in this season the Bears offense and be forced to throw all game every game and do what he has? Yes season leader in picks, blah blah but he is completing a hell of a lot and moving the ball.
But tell me someone else in our recent history that could throw the ball 50+ times with our O line. Imagine Rex or Kyle this year? Shoot we think we suck now, put one of those guys in this system where Rod is not running the ball. Nor can run the ball this year.
Now I do agree we need a OC who will Bear Down on him but needs development and support too. Rookie with the Bears and they change their entire offense from running to passing and wonder hmmm why is he throwing picks? C’mon.
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are replying to me, so
First, I didn’t compare him to anyone, I just said he is not a great QB at this point no matter what his physical talent and potential are.
Second, what does his ability to throw 50+ times a game prove? I don’t care how many completions or yards he gets between the 20’s, if he can’t get the ball in the endzone, it doesn’t matter.
Third, I’ll never understand why people keep saying things like “imagine what would be happening if we had Kyle or Rex”. What’s the difference, we don’t have them, and who cares which QB is in place if we’re still not winning games and missing the playoffs. Judge Cutler on his own merit, good or bad, he’s our QB and will be for the foreseeable future. He has to improve for the Bears, not necessarily this year’s squad, to get back to any type of glory, but be realistic enough to evaluate and coach him to see if the “never been on a team with a winning record” isn’t something more than coincidence.
I’ve stated several times on this site, that I’m excited about what he can bring but I’m not going say he’s “there” yet , when he clearly is not and doesn’t have a track record to cut him too much slack.
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well. . .
Second, what does his ability to throw 50+ times a game prove?
While I agree we need to get it into the endzone. It sure saves a lot of 3 and outs.
My comparison to the other two was to state I am glad we have someone and to try to think about what would happen if those two had to throw 50 times a game? We would be severely screwed.
I agree he is not there yet but carrying the whole team in your first year is a pretty tough job and that all the blame does not lie on his shoulders (I think we all agree there). I appreciate what he has done, the Bears are a running team and in his first year, we have made it a strongly favored passing team. Not too shabby in your first learning year.
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was raised with the belief that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 13, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've seen more defensive offsides from the Bears this year alone
than I can remember seeing from them in the last 5 years. (at least it seems that way)
by BNeL21 on Nov 13, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
They’ve been doing it for years. Just more of it now. I remember Tommie getting caught a couple games in a row a few years back.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least they are improving on something
Player development does not seem to be anywhere on the Bears radar
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The horrible oline play makes the
Screens much more effective. The dline can’t tell if the Bears are letting them through on purpose or actually trying to block them. Brilliant strategy.
Before the season Cutler finished first in a poll of NFL QBs who threw the best deep ball. Nice to see the Bears take advantage of that.
by Duck99 on Nov 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Honestly, I was working my way down...
to say the exact same thing. Our screens are working so effectively because the defensive line can’t tell the difference when being blocked. LOL!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Screens much more effective. The dline can’t tell if the Bears are letting them through on purpose or actually trying to block them. Brilliant strategy.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail...
To Duck99.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Dane,
learn the reply rules! ;)
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by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GeauxBears wouldn't have made that mistake....
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I think you’re right about that.
by rdent4hof on Nov 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Dane!
Same page on every element of the game.
by rdent4hof on Nov 13, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Things I wrote down in my head
1. The defense got it last night, but Ron Turner does not
2. How bad must the Niners be if they can’t wax a team that gives them five attempts at the game.
3. I strongly dislike Ron Turner
4. I want Kyle Shanahan ASAP
by poolboy55 on Nov 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
alex smith
reminds me of rick mirer and jonathan quinn. completely overmatched. terrified look in his eyes.
i still like cutler. dude stands in there and takes a beating on every snap. it takes a special kind of nuts or clueless to toss 5 INTS.
by Hatchetm on Nov 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wish you would have given a few more options on the last comment...
it takes a special kind of nuts or clueless to toss 5 INTS
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
51
Yep 51 times we passed in a 10-6 loss. You would think we’d have 51 pass attempts in a blowout not a close game. I know the O line sucks but do we have to run the ball some how some way. That’s the only way to keep the D honest. So maybe Ron should draw up something to MAKE it work. It’s just sad when we can’t block or protect which is all the time.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
- Matt Forte, bless his heart. That kid ran his butt off last night. And poor thing, couldn’t actually get anywhere (except for receptions, but I’m talking about on rushes), but he sure did run hard. Love seeing the legs keep a’churnin’.
Matt Forte did try yes. Anyone else notice he looks a little week this year? Now before you blast me, hear me out. Yes our OL sucks, but when he does get into space, he is breaking nothing consistently.
Here and there he looks very impressive but seems to be an awful lot of arm tackles bringing him down this year. We know he is not worn out from over use, so maybe he needs to hit those stairs or something.
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember where I read it.
It was an article to the effect, that Forte chose his own off-season workout program at Tulane, over the one the Bears had…. There may be something to that.
And with that said, our O-line SUCKS!!!
by rdent4hof on Nov 13, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Forte bulk up this year?
I remember reading that Kevin Jones slimmed down and Matt Forte bulked up.
Forte looks a bit slower too.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 13, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't really look like he's gained any bulk
And he doesn’t seem to have much of a burst, either.
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by JimmyMack on Nov 13, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Things I take away from this monstrocity
1. Tillman is done at CB…move him to FS
2. Cutler needs a HC and/or OC to reel him in to reality- stop forcing balls to Olsen and Hester when they’re triple covered. Bennett was open on the final play for crying out loud!
3. The O-line is beyond repair
4. HH can’t hold up at the POA and survive a season
5. Kreutz is done and done
6. Turner is an idiot for being beyond predictable on that goaline INT on a 3rd down play-action.
7. Lovie has regressed as a leader/HC, and looks completely lost on the sideline.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tillman was never really good at CB
the only thing he excelled at was press. He was always a more natural fit at safety. Since he got hurt he is even afraid to bump. Again i say blame jerry angelo!!!!!
by Jhitt81 on Nov 13, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tillman is good
At stripping and causing fumbles hes one of the best at it.But he should be a FS
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok guys I've heard rumors about Cutler. I've bit my tongue for awhile.
That he has a drinking problem and that he hangs with the Blackhawks and acts a fool. Not only that but there were rumors in Denver that he acted like a complete drunk jackass and they were tired of him. It’s been known but I think it’s time to gain control of his life. He had diabetes as well so that just compounds things for him. There are things going on with Cutler off the field and they were there in Denver but kept quite. He has issues and it’s affecting his judgment.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry guys, tough loss
Yea, you’re right about Cutler’s off-field issues. He does a lot for the community and has a hell of an arm, so much of it stays very quiet. Shanahan was rumored to be very concerned with his drinking/diabetes problem. He was so hung-over at the ProBowl he couldn’t take the field until late in the game. The boy has a lot to work on, but the physical skill to become great if he does work; problem is he has been in the league for a while now and seems to be getting worse, not better. Hope you do better next year (not this year due to the draft pick, you know how it is).
Bear Down, and Good Luck
by Royal With Cheese on Nov 13, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so he's drunk during games?
wish that were true. it’d be easy to fix.
by Hatchetm on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is young and just doesn't seem to "want it" like the greats do.
You look at the brady’s and peyton, and the one thing you can see from those guys is a hunger to be great. They want the rings not just the money. Like i said before they give jay a certain latitude to change the play and make adjustments for defensive reads. But we routinely do not see that happening. The question i pose is how much of our problem is ron turner and how much is a lack of film study from cutler?
by Jhitt81 on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Trolling
Broncos fan, have no real ill will toward Cutler, thought the trade benefited both teams, never had a bad opinion of the Bears, but the above poster is right on.
I used to work at a newspaper in Denver—one that is now out of business, so you all can figure out which one—and my editor was a pretty well-connected guy (and, ironically, a big Bears fan). He’d told me about Jay pounding—like, really swilling—red wine on the set of his TV show, before he went on camera, long before Shanny was fired.
He was kicked out of the Colorado Golf Club—that was confirmed by the Broncos PR staff—and was really well-known around town as a guy who liked the sauce, a lot.
Now, so do I, so it’s tough for me to kill the kid about it, but you simply can’t drink like that with Type 1 Diabetes and have it not affect you, physically. I thought it was affecting him here.
Anyway. Good luck on the rest of the season.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Nov 13, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his problems are not physical
as of yet.
by Hatchetm on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is WCG turning into a tabloid?
There are things going on with Cutler off the field and they were there in Denver but kept quite. He has issues and it’s affecting his judgment.
Like I said last night, flavor of the week. Jesus.
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by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmm
delicious Jesus. Great flavor.
by Royal With Cheese on Nov 13, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lmao.
didn’t think that through in the haste of typing.
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by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And since your post got deletified...
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
More than friend?
LMAO
Is Lovies other hands giving him the goose? (notice the smile)
by TheMan1 on Nov 13, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bears
I don’t ever want to hear Lovie, JA, or anybody say that "we like our guys" ever again. This team is a complete mess right now. I’m going to say that they are in the Top 5 WORST teams in the league, right now! Jay Cutler is a great QB, but he’s going to suck on the Bears until this franchise gets somebody who nows how to run a football team to actually run this football team.
This team does not have the coaching to turn a mediocre WR group into a formidable WR group. If the Bears don’t sign the best free agent WR available, (hopefully Marshall or V. Jackson) then the Bears fail. Let’s face it, Knox is not ready to be an NFL WR. He’s never open. He’s been invisible since the Atlanta game and that’s including 3 games where the Bears did nothing but pass the ball. He’s electric, no doubt, but he’s not ready to be a WR. Keep him at KR until he learns the position.
I can’t even come up with enough negative adjectives to describe the O line. Chris Williams is a terrible RT. Olin Kreutz and O. Pace are D-O-N-E!! Beekman needs to be moved to C because he’s too small to play G. The Bears O line is 5 gigantic Mr. Hanky Poos dressed in Chicago Bears uniforms.
Forte is slow!! Very slow!! Is he injured? He looks terrible on run plays and I know that it’s 99% O line’s fault but he still shows poor vision. He’s great out of the backfield so there’s some hope but he needs to do a better job running the ball.
Defensive line is shit!! The Marinelli project=fail!! So much for A. Brown manhandling a 2nd stringer. Did he even play yesterday? Could have fooled me. Undersized and outmuscled on every play. Defensive deficencies start there. Zero pressure=on slaught.
I love Briggs. He’s the only one on that D that makes plays every game. I think somebody smoked Roach and HH is not athletic enough in this defense. Injuries has killed this LB unit and it shows.
Secondary…..ah screw it.
This is 5 straight weeks (Atlanta, Cincy, Cleveland, Arizon, and San Fran) the Bears played like absolute Bear shit. This is not a playoff team. Shit, this isn’t even a 4-5 team. This is a 2-7 team that is in the bottom 5 teams in this league and the sad thing is, it won’t change. So us Bears fans will have to continue to Bear Down and accept what it is. A shitty football team with no draft picks and no competency in the front office to even do anything with those draft picks anyways to try and correct what’s wrong. It’s going to be a long next couple of years folks. Hope you have enough alcohol.
by McRipper on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point RE: Brown
was he even playing last night?
by Hatchetm on Nov 13, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when i was saying that same thing in week 2 0r 3, ALOT of these guys here were saying
oh no, we have decent WR, we dont need to try to get better ones. Ive been saying since the trade for cutler, if we dont give him support at WR, then having him with us isnt going to change anything. We cant sit around and wait for knox and hester to turn into big time recievers, we should be be activley pursuing a game breaker, you know, how other smart teams do.
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I agree. I’ve thought the Bears WRs aren’t very good since day 1. It doesn’t matter though because Lovie and JA ’like our guys. We feel we can win with our guys!!" Horse shit!!
by McRipper on Nov 13, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
…“We like what we’re seeing out there, we’re excited by what we’re seeing from our guys” ……
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 13, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When
are we going to see our 2010 2nd round pick Gaines Adams do anything?
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
calling it a season..
I’ll be watching the rest of the games, don’t doubt that, but this loss has officially thrown any playoff hopes behind the back of Orlando Pace or Shaffer, which is now on the ground as usual and crushed pretty soundly, while the DE is busy hugging Cutler.
by Pretender85 on Nov 13, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dont get me wrong.Jay lost us the game.
But what did Jay really have here.Back at Denver he had a GREAT line,Great WR B-Marsh,And GREAT and Offensive Genius Mike Shanahan.He was Perfect for Jay.But here Idiot GM,Retard turner,Worst O line in the HISTORY of the NFL.And NO #1 or even #2 WR and ZERO RUN GAME which for years is the bread and butter of the bears.He’s basically Alone out there.And that game shows whats happens when you are alone on offense.
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Start Aromashodu
What do we have to lose?We already suck beyond belief.Well not as bad as Detroit
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shaffer was out there on the play before the pick as well
He was an eligible Reciever too.
Oh the Play that hillenmeyer pumped his fist, the audibled out of the play into the base D
Jay had a wide open running lane on the last play as well, I mean he could have walked in
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by Eaten by Bears on Nov 13, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jay had a wide open running lane on the last play as well, I mean he could have walked in
Because the defense would have stood still, yes?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 13, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the last 6 or 7 snaps were all at cutler ankles, how the hell does that help!!!
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I cant blame him for that he rushed his passes.But can you blame him from rushing to pass with THIS O line??
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dont blame him for that at all...he knows hes gonna get hit with this o line
i think hes brave for even staying in there those 2 seconds
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would panic too
I dont want a guy like Charles Rogers to sit on me again
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pace
may be out a few weeks. Soooooo, Shaffer or Omiyale on Trent Cole???? See ya next season Jay
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You gotta link to that?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On ESPN Insider Rumor Central:
“After a heart-wrenching loss in San Fran on Thursday night, the Chicago Bears are left looking for answers to a cornucopia of questions. One might be more pressing than others: what will we get out of Orlando Pace for the rest of the season?
Vaughan McClure of the Chicago Tribune elected to bury what we feel is the lead in a post following the game: “left tackle Orlando Pace said he was feeling a little dizzy late in the game, so he might have sustained a concussion.” Pace was knocked out of the game with what was originally described as having his wind knocked out. A concussion is obviously much worse.
According to the depth chart on the Bears website, Kevin Shaffer is the swing tackle backup and he replaced Pace on Thursday night. We’ll have more on Pace when further tests come back on his noggin."
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so nothing about what you said then.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the last line again, sound out the words
All I said is Pace “may be out” for a few weeks which is the headline on Rumor Central. He didn’t play the last drive and of course the media will speculate. It backs up exactly what I said. We have seen multiple players sit out a few weeks in the NFL this year with concussions.
The worse the Bears play, the worse and more jerkish “Head Coach” you become.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha.
When you said Pace may be out a few weeks, I assumed you were quoting a real source, not just throwing out your own ideas.
Either way, sorry I hurted your feelings. Oh, and per a legitimate news source, Pace ain’t gonna miss any time.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 13, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhh
I relayed a rumor. “may be” be no means indicates fact at all. If you took it as fact, that is just your own brain failing you…again. I didn’t say “Pace will be out” or “I think he will be out”. He “may be” out indicates there is a chance and some rumblings of it. Do you have a laptop? How are you able to post from your high horse?
And yes it was later confirmed he should not miss any time. Your point? Why don’t you post “the OL stinks” on a couple more boards.
by brands735 on Nov 13, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just watching espn
and they showed the cover for the chi tribune sports page. The picture was of cutler sitting on the ground with another player (unidentifiable) standing over him with the caption reading NIGHTY-NIGHT….it really pains me to say this, but I literally laughed out loud…Jay just looked so pathetic…Im sorry guys
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ron turner
is the only coach to rewrite history without a pen.And for him thats bad
by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at this point
the only way i see the bears getting another win is if the team they are facing just caves in on itself, and even then they might still have a play to beat us. Can we really win 4 more games???
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The other audible I saw work
Was on a play where Cutler kind of did this chicken wing thing with his right arm before the snap and then Bennett pointed to the 49ers secondary and Cutler kind of nodded. Then he threw a perfect pass between the defenders for a big gain that was negated by the offsetting penalties (holding and unnecessary roughness I believe but I can’t remember for sure.)
by GallopingGhost on Nov 13, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
was that the fake bubble to bennett?
i think he hit knox on the slant, and it was negated
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think you're right about Knox
not Bennett, but either way, he seemed to have saw something.
by GallopingGhost on Nov 13, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least one Bear won.
Although he was coaching the other team, Singletary will always be a Bear to me.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 13, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yea, same here
but i couldnt really feel happy for him cuz of the loss
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 13, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is on track to throw close to 30 picks this year
He is obviously a physically gifted QB with a huge upside. But that said, someone on our staff (Pep Hamilton?) has to work with him on:
1) Throwing the ball away when there’s nothing there.
2) Making high-percentage pass attempts vs. forcing the ball into tight and/or double coverage.
3) Stop feeling like he has to go out there and win every game by himself.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Nov 13, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Points
But unfortunatley there’s some problems:
1) This is the most logical fix. This one Jay can fix all on his own.
2) This only works on the premise that the receivers can get seperation and give Jay a high-percentage target. The WRs on this team are very sub par.
3) Problem is he has to. Nobody else on this offense is capable of winning games.
The Chicago Bears are in a world of suck right now. My only hope for this season is that they can win 3 maybe 4 more games so that giving away a 15-20 pick doesn’t hurt as much as giving up a Top 10 pick.
by McRipper on Nov 13, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4) Pep Hamilton hasn’t exactly had much success in developing Bears QBs.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 13, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising, isn't it?
If only Jay could become the QB that Pep was at the mighty Howard University, then we’d have something!!! It really is vexing when you also consider the success, according to the Bears official website, that Pep had prior coming here when he was with the 49ers and Jets where he helped develop Alex Smith and Quincy Carter. I know it’s asking a lot of Cutler to live up to those two legends, but maybe, someday……..
by BearFan611 on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add
4) If, for some reason, you can’t throw the ball away – just take the damn sack!
Bottom line, Aaron Rodgers line in Green Bay completely sucks, as well. That O-line, in all likelyhood, cannot be much better than ours. And the last time I checked, Rodgers was not on track to throw 30 picks this year. To the Packers’ credit, they do have an established group of veteran receivers to work with.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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