Jay Cutler is not the problem
The Bears need to build a team around this quarterback. Jay is one of the better quarterbacks in the league, but when you add the fact that there is no running game with a poor wide receiver corps it will make any quarterback look awful. Peyton Manning would look bad if he played with this years Chicago Bear team. Then add the fact that this teams offensive line is one of the worse
The Bears need to build a team around this quarterback. Jay is one of the better quarterbacks in the league, but when you add the fact that there is no running game with a poor wide receiver corps it will make any quarterback look awful. Peyton Manning would look bad if he played with this years Chicago Bear team. Then add the fact that this teams offensive line is one of the worse in recent memory and it's no surprise why his stats and play is down. The fans should not blame Jay Cutler for an offense that looks anemidec. He has a group of recievers that get bumped so easily from their routes and are scared to go in the middle.
The biggest need for this Bears offense is to have a running back. The pressure is all on Jay to go back and take the snaps. The opposing defenses know this team can't run and are all geared up to improve their sack statistics. They know this poor Cutler has nobody worth to hand the ball off as Matt Forte is the worse starting running back in the league. He can catch a ball thrown to him, but he just can not get past the front defensive line. How is Jay suppose to do good with that O line and Matt Forte lined up behind him. They got one receiever that should just be taking kick offs and others not worth half of what the Bears are paying them. bear fans need to be paitient with this guy much like New Orleans was with Drew Brees. When you surround him with NFL plaers then his production will look much better.
Chicago Bear fans are ready to turn on this man after less than a year in unioform. They need to go back and look at their VCR s and see what the real problem is. Jay Cutler is the last of their problems. He is throwing alot of interceptions now because the offense is totally bad. Things will only improve for Jay Cutler or any future Bear quarterback when the Bears finally decide to add more quality offensive players to the roster. Only then can Chicago Bear fans expect things from any quarterback.
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Jay is not one of the better QB's in the league
I like Cutler. He has as much physical talent as any QB. More than most.
But he’s not one of the best QB’s in the NFL. Potentially he can be but he’s not close to that at this point.
As far as the lack of a running game is concerned that’s not an excuse. The Arizona Cardinals had the worst rushing attack in the NFL in 2008 and Kurt Warner almost won the Super Bowl.
Yes he has guys like Boldin and Fitz. But the reason he is starting in Arizona over Matt Leinart is two things: decision making and acuuracy.
He is quicker and better at finding and hitting the open man than was Leinart. Cutler need to improve both of those parts of his game.
Many around the NFL said that Cutler’s first interception Thursday night, at the goal-line, was one of the worst they had ever seen. I agree. One simply can’t make ridiculous plays like that. Not if you want to lead your team to victory.
As loathe as I am to say this:
Andy’s right.
Jay is not the biggest problem with this football team.
And your ‘zona example doesn’t really work either… the Cards ran VERY effectively in the post-season which is how they got to the Super Bowl after winning a crap division. You still need a balanced offense to beat good teams and we don’t have that ability, whether thats on Forte or the Line or Turner or some combination of all of the above.
Jay’s decision-making hasn’t been good (actually, he’s been largely awful) but Seeing as he has all the other tools (accuracy, footwork, good technique, arm strength, etc) that can be coached and worked on.
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yup
jay isnt the problem. the zona’s o-line is pretty good at pass protection which is the reason warner can take advantage of their spectacular receiving corps. But their o-line is almost average at run blocking which is why their running game is only effective when their passing game is blowing up their opponents. Our line on the other hand can’t run block or pass block, so we can’t do anything.
After the green bay game, we say a pretty good jay cutler for a few weeks. He was still getting hit all the time, and hurried, and sacked, but he was handling it well. But at this point in the season with his nonexistent running game and his 2 seconds to pass each down, he is forcing everything. Cause he kinda has to. So at this point i’m just glad that Cutler still has the confidence to throw it, and hasn’t lost that belief in himself like rexy did.
The Cards had the worst rushing offense in 2008
They ranked 32nd and rushed for 73 yards per game. The league average was 116 yards.
In the playoffs they rushed for:
86 yards against Atlanta.
145 against Carolina.
102 against Philadelphia.
33 against Pittsburgh.
The 145 against Carolina is a little skewed cause they ran a lot to chew up the clock in a blowout victory (they were ahead 30-7 in the 3rd quarter in a game they won 33-13).
Still, they averaged 91 yards rushing in their four playoff games.
If they had averaged 91 yards per game they would have ranked 29th in the NFL as opposed to 32nd.
29th sucks almost as badly as 32nd.
I guess your definition of very effecitively isn’t close to mine.
cherry picked stats often belie the truth
Arizona ran extremely effectively, but i guess not having 650 yards a game isn’t effective, Thomas Jones ran for 205 yards in a LOSS this year… so it’s all relative
the point is the Cards ran when they needed to, picked up key 3rd downs, fought for hard yards on first down, set up the play action… etc.
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by BearNecessities on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 AM CST up reply actions
cherry picked stats?
It’s their entire season. Regular & post.
Cherry picking would refer to just mentioning some of their games not all.
Regular season: Ranked 32 out of 32 teams. Avergaed 73 yards rushing per game.
Post season: Slight improvement. Averaged 91 yards rushing per game. That total was helped somewhat by so much garbage time in their blowout win against Carolina.
Regardless, 91 yards rushing, if averaged out for 16 games, would’ve ranked them 29th in 2008.
How can you accuse me of cherry picking the rushing stats when I covered all 20 games? Makes no sense.
By the way, I simply stated two facts in my original post. That Arizona had the worst rushing attack in 2008 and that they almost won the Suber Bowl. Both statements are true. They ranked dead last in rushing and came within 2 + minutes of winning the Super Bowl.
It’s comical to watch people argue against two statements that are 100% accurate. Again, it makes no sense, but whatever.
The Cardinals are actually getting their running game going now.
Beanie Wells is a monster and he just started gashing everyone [compared to how anemic their ground game has been over the last couple years] since the Giants game a couple weeks ago.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
if the Bears ran for 10 yards in the playoffs
but all were key 3rd downs… that’s effective rushing, doesnt matter what the ranks is, they were the second best TEAM in the NFL last year
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by BearNecessities on Nov 17, 2009 6:11 AM CST up reply actions
Yes they were the second best team
What does that have to do with rushing the ball?
The Cardinals moved throughthe playoffs last season with Warner’s arm, not with the legs of Hightower & James.
Yes they ran for 18 more yards per game in the playoffs than they did in the regular season.
If you want to believe that they suddenly started being more effective with their running game in the playoffs, go ahead. All they did was run more to strike a little more balance in their offense (and to run down the clock in their blowout victory over Carolina . . . almost 40% of their rushes in their four playoff games came in that one game against Carolina).
More rushing attempts does not necessarily mean being more effective.
In the regular season the Cardinals scored 31% of their TD’s rushing the ball.
In the postseason they scored 15% of their TD’s rushing the ball.
In the regular season the Cards averaged 3.5 yards per carry.
In the playoffs 3.3.
They ran more in the playoffs. No doubt.
More effectively? No way.
forte has nowhere to run
the two biggest problems for the offense are: the o-line (i really think their inability to buy cutler any time is making him jittery and screwing with his decision-making) and the play calling, which doesn’t take advantage of our strengths/protect against our weaknesses. forte was a very good back last year – he simply doesn’t have anywhere to run this year. and cutler…whenever he has more than 4 seconds in the pocket, he is really freaking good. fix the line, improve the play-calling, you’ll see a much better offense.
by guy incognito on Nov 15, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
You're only saying that,
because Wolfe is his backup. And IF Wolfe is being beat out, then Forte MUST be great. Amiright? ;)
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by David Taylor on Nov 15, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Izzy for lead blocking FB!
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"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
for sure
does he deserve some blame? yes
but most goes to o lines inability to make blocks and turner not calling proper plays. its like if wolfe or peterson goes in they tear it up either the line needs to be revamped. personally i was on of the guys defending the line because i thought it was the lack of chemistry but theirs too many people playing out of poistion on that line.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Nov 17, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Anytime
you mention P. Manning and Brees in the same sentence as Cutler, it’s pretty inaccurate. Jay has a nasty habit of staring down his primary WR, and has shown no ability to adjust to what defenses are doing. They’ve gone to great lengths to stop or slow-down Olsen and Hester, while receivers like Bennett and Knox are in single coverage all game long. That’s what he needs to learn to cut down on his INTs and dumb decisions….look to take advantage of what the opposing defense is giving you.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Jay Cutler is part of the problem
Look, I just watched Aaron Rogers, with an even worse O-line, beat the Dallas Cowboys and what does he have, like 5 picks for the season? So the last thing I want to keep hearing are Cutler apologist make 101 excuses for a guy whose making some of the worst throws I’ve seen since Cade Mcnown, in the red zone no less.
I’m a Cutler fan myself and I really don’t have a problem with a QB throwing picks with the chance of making great plays. I didn’t mind it when Rex did it and I don’t mind it now. But to see posters blame everything in the world beside the guy who threw into triple coverage in the red zone and has throw 5 redzone picks, is starting to be ridiculous. He’s literally taking points off the board. LITERALLY. There are times to take chances and a time to throw it away. It’s OK to be a gunslinger, but what I saw Thursday night was inexcusable. He had a bad game and it was his fault. Period.
EBC (Everything But Cutler)
So the last thing I want to keep hearing are Cutler apologist make 101 excuses
Cutler is partly to blame, but he is not the only one at fault. Our entire team has been riddled with deficiencies and inconsistencies and are all fair game to find faults with.
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by David Taylor on Nov 15, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
True
But to me an interceptions in the redzone are the fault of the QB. And when looking at that problem specifically, you’re talking about the Atlanta and 49er games where points are being rubbed off the board and are having an direct effect on the outcome of the games.
What I’m noticing is that some people aren’t even acknowledging that much. They’re saying that it’s everything else and that Cutler is just doing what he has to do. Now that’s crap! I don’t remember hearing all these excuses for a QB in the past. I can live with WRs giving up on a route and that being the reason for a pick. Or a great play by a DB on a great pass from Cutler, but those red zone picks make are all him. The O-line wasn’t too bad for him to drive into the red zone, now all of a sudden the whole team sucks when he’s throwing into triple coverage?
Right on
There’s plenty of blame to go around, but Bennett is wide-open underneath in the endzone on that last play. Jay elected to force it into Olsen when he was completely blanketed by three defenders. His first INT is even worse cause it set the tone for the game, and the Bears would’ve at least had a 3 point lead. The attempted dump off to Hester wasn’t a great throw, but an OK decision. The other two were by all accounts not his fault based on uncommon circumstances.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
I saw Bennett wide-open underneath too...
Almost as inexplicable to me though is that it was practically the same exact pass to Olsen they had missed on the previous play. Predictable. they were sitting on it. game over.
did anyone notice
that a massive running lane was opened for him to just stroll into the endzone?
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by BearNecessities on Nov 17, 2009 6:11 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes you have to be smart
and take the easy three, as opposed to trying to force things. Especially is a game that doesn’t figure to be a shootout between two highscoring offenses.
The Bears lost by 4. Two fieldgoals instead of two redzone interceptions might’ve won them the game.
* > Turner
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Aaron Rodgers
it seem like he holds the ball wayyy too log, he just sits there ad afer 15 seconds there is a sack which counts against his o-line not him
From Don Banks at si.com
And one more Cutler rant before we move on: I don’t know how long it has been since I’ve seen two worse red-zone interceptions than the ones he threw Thursday night at San Francisco. One of those per season is probably too many for a quality NFL quarterback. Two in the same game? Mind-boggling.
Ouch!
Cutler is a big part of the problem
<“Jay is one of the better quarterbacks in the league”>
Below the neckline maybe Cutler has potential, but between his ears…Jay is one of the worst in the league. It’s all about decision making, correctly reading defenses, and leadership.
He's got that "playmaker" mentality...
and I’ll take that in Chicago for 17+ weeks per year.
We just need, really badly, to get him a good OL. Then, everything else will fall into place.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
I agree
An improved O-LIne and we’ll see an improved offense. It all starts in the trenches.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
It's not Jay's effort,
but he will not last long in the NFL, if he doesn’t learn how to play smart. As of right now, he has a tendency to panic or lose his head. This was also one of Grossman’s biggest faults. I do agree that a better OL will help somewhat. If the interceptions continue, should Smith consider benching Cutler for a game or two?
What difference does it make
At this point Hanie can’t possibly do any worse. Cutler should be held accountable for his play, just like any other player on the team.
just sitting him down briefly, might get a point across to Cutler. He’s averaging two picks per game and I’m sure you would agree that if that continues then something needs to be done.
Hanies stat line with our Oline..
8 – 22 105 yards
0TD’s 1 pick
and we lose 33 -9 becuase our offense can’t convert a third down so the defense is on the field for 40 minutes oer game. That is what you would get with hanie..next subject.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 17, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
I am running out of juice...
I was so bummed about thursday’s game I almost gave up posting..this years team is too emotionally draining..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 18, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
um...
yeah, he’s panicking more…wonder why? he’s got no time in the pocket at all. he needs to be smarter in the pocket, yes, but he’s facing a ridiculous amount of pressure and has to make decisions quicker than most (since he only has about 3 seconds back there before opposing defenders are ready to sack him). he’s not getting flustered like grossman, he’s trying to make things happen, but he literally doesn’t have enough time. a better line will make a gigantic difference. whenever he has time to actually survey the field briefly, he does great.
by guy incognito on Nov 15, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Bears line
in 2009 is no worse than the Packers this year. You don’t see Rodgers throwing 19 frigin picks. Cutler must learn to throw it away or take a sack when his receivers aren’t open. Jay has about as much time to throw the ball as Orton had last year. How many times did he get sacked on Thursday?
Orton doesnt understand how to throw it down field
how many times was Cutler rushed, or hit before, during, or directly after the throw, paint the whole picture, not just the sack stat line.
everyone, almost, agrees that Cutler is playing a part in this, but i’d say you could probably half his INTs this year, based on being rushed, hit, and generally abused at the line, and maybe even more, if he had true, polished WR veterans to run routes, and come back for the ball.
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by BearNecessities on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
The bottomline
imo, he must cut down on the picks and give his team a better chance to win. In 2008, we had a bad OL and the worst receivers in the NFL. You didn’t see Orton throwing picks every trip into the red zone. It has nothing to do with the long ball. At this point, Cutler doesn’t know how to manage a game well and makes terrible decisions. It’s all about how you perform inside the 20 and at this point, Cutler is the worst in the NFL. If the receiver isn’t open, you eat the ball or throw it away period.
we didnt get into the redzone very often with Orton… the comparing of Orton and Cutler grew old April 3rd.
these teams are different, completely. for better or worse. we might as well draw comparisons to the 84-86 teams at this point. that aside,
Cutler has been rushed and pressured so much, his game definitely has begun to fall apart, he knows he can’t rely on his line, and is always hearing footsteps, forcing passes that aren’t even there, when trailing, or knowing that soon they will be trailing.
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by BearNecessities on Nov 16, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Cutler can only control
what he is responsible for and that’s playing smart. So far he hasn’t done that. You can lay blame on the OL, receivers, and coaching all you want. Back in April, according to the conventional wisdom on WCG, he was expected to make everyone on the offense better. That clearly hasn’t happened and won’t until he learns how to manage a game/situations properly.
disagree somewhat
when you trade for a potential franchise QB, you do everything you can to help them succeed. this does not include changing who they are. jay cutler is not a game manager. yes, he needs to play smarter, and he bears plenty of blame, but our organization has screwed this situation up royally. if they don’t provide him receivers who run their routes cleanly, okay, at least make sure he has a decent o-line. and an o-coordinator who calls a game that plays to his and the team’s strengths. they didn’t even get a decent QB coach. its ridiculous. they’ve asked him to play like orton. that is NOT who he is. and to ask him to do that is a massive organizational fail.
by guy incognito on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
are you really comparing the packers offense to ours???
yes, their line is quite bad, but look at the weapons aaron rodgers has. its not even a close comparison.
by guy incognito on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
This offensive line is far worse than last year somehow
the GB comparison is off base. He has receivers(quality) that he has been working with for some time and they know where they are supposed to be. It was very evident that our receivers the last 2 games still are stopping on routes and do not come back to the ball. Those little things along with Jay’s blunder throws in the endzone are killing us.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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last year, orton had more time, forte had more space
the o-line is worse this year, which is kind of incredible.
by guy incognito on Nov 17, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
And they had the original Ole In John St. Clair
who I hate to admit was not worse than Pace right now. I think the biggest difference is that Kreutz’ play has plummted in one year.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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Trouble
with your ‘n’ key?? lol
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by Ashley Czuba on Nov 16, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
This from Michael Lombardi
Before you buy into the quick perception that will be running rampant around America today that Cutler is Jeff George, you might want to check with some of his former coaches first. Former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan probably was sitting in his home feeling sorry for Cutler because he knows there were things he could have done to help him. Mike Heimerdinger was probably watching in Tennessee feeling frustrated watching Cutler, as was Jeremy Bates in California. Those three believe in Cutler, they know Cutler, and they know he is not Jeff George. Does he have some things that need to be corrected? Sure, don’t we all?
So what do the Bears do? When they traded for Cutler (who currently has a 7.5 rating by NFP readers on the Bears’ team page), I wrote that they should pay whatever it took to bring in Jeremy Bates and let him teach the coaches about Cutler and not have them learn about his strengths and weaknesses during the season when it might result in losing games. But of course, some NFL teams are too cheap to pay for any outside help – they would rather hope it all turns out well than prepare for success. Teams don’t mind paying $20 million for a player but hate to pay $50,000 to make sure the player is successful. Smart, right?
Coaching is critical for this guy.
Joe Montana & Steve Young wouldn’t have sniffed the HOF without the direct coaching of Bill Walsh.
John Elway prospered under Mike Shanahan. So too Brett Favre under Mike Holmgren. Both of these guys are from the Walsh coaching tree.
In order to be great, Cutler needs great coaching. Period.
by axthelm on Nov 15, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
If this organnization thinks that they can go get the Franchise QB and things will take care of themselves, they got another thing coming. The scary thing is that the moves made since the Cutler trade make me believe that management was just trying to buy time.
Like I just said on another post, why not take a flier on Terrell Owens for the rest of the season to give the guy another target? It may have been worth a win or two. Is it really more risky than spending a 2nd rounder on Gaines Adams?
Based on the history
of Angelo, he probably really did believe everything would just magically fall in line. Remember his press conference at the end of 2008. “I’m fixated on the QB position”. JA doesn’t have a clue.
I wanted then to sign TO in the offseason.
As much as I don’t like a lot of his BS, he has a track record of not causing any problems in his first year with a new team.
He would’ve been a big asset for Cutler this year.
In order to be great, Cutler needs great coaching. Period.
Indeed, even Peyton Manning threw 100 interceptions over his first five seasons. Pep Hamilton hasn’t exactly shown much ability there… though that’s par for the course for the Bears, historically.
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Peyton Manning
worked with the great Tom Moore. Moore had an excellent resume in the NFL prior to joining the Colts. Hamilton’s claim to fame on Bears’ PR site are the achievements of Orton. What a crock of sh#t he is for a QB coach. To be fair, Moore was the OC.
good coaches, good talent around them
this is what great QBs need. cutler has none of this. he’s got talented WRs who are very young and make critical mistakes…but we could live with that if we had a decent o-line that gave cutler enough time to pick secondaries apart. but we don’t have that, but we could live with that if we had an innovative offensive coordinator who could come up with game plans that fully exploit our opponents and hide our own weaknesses. but we don’t have that, but we could live with that if we at least had a really proven QB coach who could help tinker with cutler on little things that might make enough of a difference to eliminate some of the mistakes. but…we have none of the above. this is ridiculous. he’s screwing up, sure, but for god’s sake, get him some real help in the offseason.
by guy incognito on Nov 15, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I cant live with these receivers
I don’t think a great O-line can keep these guys from running bad routes. Stopping on routes. Falling down. Lining up offsides. Shed their alligator arms. Grow 3 inches. Fight for a ball…
they're young
and they have a lot of potential, plus a QB that can help get the most out of them. admittedly, it would help a lot if every WR we had was down one level (so hester would be a #2), but in the general scheme of things, i think this is the least of our problems, though it is a problem.
by guy incognito on Nov 16, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree moore!!!
The Bears QB coach appears at sea when it comes to handling Jay’s talent.
It's not just Cutler
Seems to me the whole team could use some great coaching right about now.
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Dude, you still use a VCR?
Jay is a part of the problem that is a collective shit storm. The guy definitely has his flaws and as much as I like him, he still needs to be called out. It appears to me he hasn’t yet become the leader of the Bears and acts accordingly but he also lacks the outside leadership that he needs to succeed. He’s surrounded by “yes men” who think he’s the 2nd coming and when he f**ks up, they are waiting behind him with a million excuses. He needs someone to get in his face and fire him up just like the whole team needs it. But Jay needs to establish himself as the leader, he needs to help WRs when they are off their routes, he needs to be studying and planning on the sidelines and firing up his O, as well as many other things. He does have some growing up to do like everyone has complained about him. I hope he’s watching the Sunday night game right now and taking notes.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 15, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions
I think the beating he takes
seals the deal that he is a leader. He wants to win and lays himself out there plenty. I think the coaches should either be teaching the receivers how to run routes or else find some that can. Besides can you imagine the backlash he would get if he put a well deserved foot in media darling Devin Hester’s a**? I would love to see it happen, but Tony Dungy would have be all over him and the immature crybaby stuff would be front page again. It is that kind of stuff that is the reason we never got Benson’s best effort when he played here. I hope it doesn’t happen to Jay.
The beating he takes is because we have no line.
What does that have to do with him being a leader? Of course he wants to win but he doesn’t appear to care enough at times to make it happen. He looks like it is suppose to all come easy and if it doesn’t he accepts it. If he’s the team leader, he should have no problem putting a ‘well deserved foot" in Hester’s ass when he needs it because that is part of his job! Do you think Peyton lets his receivers run the wrong routes and make mistakes without hearing it from him? He needs to play smarter. He needs to be able to take a sack or throw the ball away instead of trying to make something out of nothing. He’s got to be able to give guys orders and a kick in the ass when they need it. That’s what the media is drilling him for now so why would he get shit for it? And if you think Benson didn’t play his best because the media got on him then your nuts.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
He is a leader and if you cant see it you are nuts.
He hangs in there and takes a hit time after time to try and make a play regardless if it is the oline sucking or his receiver not getting open. After one of his picks (I think it was the one where Hester fell down he was the guy that ran 40 yards and forced the guy out at the 7. Remember the helicopter play? I guess that doesn’t mean anything to you.
I am sure he is more vocal and animated in practice than in the games.
Did you watch the Bengals/Bears game? Benson obviously wants to be where he is now. He was never accepted in Chicago by the media or his team mates. Thomas Jones was the man in the locker room a fan favorite too. I think it all had a lot to do with his demise. Sure he brought a lot of it on himself and he was immature.
If you think Cutler would serve himself or the team better by ripping into Hester (fan fav)on national TV and throwing a hissy everytime someone screwed up you are wrong. I say he has handled himself in a way Benson never could. He doesn’t need to call guys out and point fingers. Also he is the QB not a receiver coach. Is he supposed to get in Kruetz’s face and teach him how to block and snap the ball too? Get real! I think he wants to keep his orbital bone intact.
Calling a guy out is not the same as throwing a hissy fit.
Sometimes it is necessary to get into a guy’s head for being off his route or making some other error. If he is the leader of the team and is respected as such then he should be listened to and respected by his teammates when he wants to be critical. You can still be critical and encouraging without throwing a hissy fit. I never said the guy wasn’t a leader either but he isn’t established as THE leader. I’d still say Kreutz is the leader of our offense, perhaps the team even. Your reasoning for him being a leader are a bit ridiculous too. No matter how many hits you take, how far you chase your intercepted pass or how many helicopter runs into the end zone you make it doesn’t establish you as the leader. Grossman did all of the above(minus spinning like a helicopter which means NOTHING) and was the farthest thing from being the leader of the offense. My point in all of this was he’s lacking some leadership qualities that a true franchise quarterback needs to succeed but he can obtain them and I do think he will. Cutler is tough and will take a hit which is admirable but it’s not really a good reasoning of why he has great leadership. Come on.
Yeah I watched the Bears/Bengals game, unfortunately. Benson made his own misery in Chicago by underperforming and complaining about playing time when it wasn’t owed to him. If you can remember correctly, we let Thomas Jones go and gave him the opportunity to be our starting RB where he proved nothing. It took him f*cking up and being released to get his head on straight and the Bengals are the beneficiaries of that now. He didn’t deserve any sympathy from the media and if you think he did then you obviously don’t understand how the Chicago sports media works.
Finally, QBs and WRs work together and develop timing with each other. When a wideout is off his route or does something wrong, Cutler has every right to talk with him about it and fire him up if he has to. Why the hell would you think being vocal and more animated during practice would be better than in a game? That’s what you’re practicing for! There isn’t time for error when a “w” is on the line. Your comment about getting in Kreutz’s face is completely irrelevant and doesn’t help your argument, weasel.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 16, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
you are kidding me
Why the hell would you think being vocal and more animated during practice would be better than in a game? That’s what you’re practicing for! There isn’t time for error when a "w" is on the line.
You are saying Cutler should be coaching the WR’s during the game? THAT is what practice is for. THAT is what coaches are for. Why the hell would it be better to be more animated and vocal in practice? Well there is a play clock for one thing. There isn’t time for Cutler to mentor everyone who isn’t getting it when there is a “W” on the line, Polish.
BTW, have you ever heard of a concept called leading by example?
No, you got to be kidding me.
When have I said once that he’s suppose to be coaching the wideouts? I’m saying if a guy is off his routes he can give them some push to get their head in the game. Jay’s lacking some push of his own and could use a head coach who will get in his head instead of kissing his ass. Whatever your doing in practice should translate into game day and if he’s vocal in practice he should be more vocal during the game. Why you would think I’m saying he’s suppose to be mentoring anyone is beyond me because he needs a mentor of his own. When the offense is off the field he could be with his wideouts discussing anything that needs to be discussed, how isn’t there time? What does any other franchise QB do when he is on the sideline? They don’t just sit there and wait for their turn, they strategize. That is leading by example!
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Cutler has played badly
like in GB and in SF for example.
And when he’s not playing badly the defense is, like in Cincinnati and against Arizona for example.
That’s the biggest problem for the Bears in 2009. When one unit is off, the others aren’t able to compensate for it.
The biggest problem is
Bears management/coaches do nothing mentality. They are perfectly willing to beat their heads against a wall over and over and expect things to get better. They have no sense of urgency. Waited too long on Grossman. Too long to bench Omayale. How long did Vasher have to suck before they got him off the field? If it wasn’t for the negative media in Chicago nothing would ever get done. Devin Hester should not be a starting receiver on any team. He has always been liability on the field. Sure he has made some big plays, but how many boneheaded ones? He was just barely smart enough to be a return man. He would call for a fair catch at the 2 yard line. How many fumbles etc. Will the media ever turn on him? I would be overjoyed if we could get a 2nd round draft pick out of him.
Hester has been a solid wideout all year.
Look at his stats. His worst game came on Thursday night and I didn’t see one comment from you prior to his first bad game of the year complaining about his play. He basically has caught everything that has come his way this season and has made very few errors. He has been 2nd in the NFL in catches with only Larry Fitzgerald in front of him! He’s one of the best return men in NFL history and has been great on punt returns all season. He would have housed one had Rashied not had a bullshit block in the back called on him during the Cleveland game. He hasn’t given the media any reason to turn on him and your asking for them to do so. He’s coming into his own as a legitimate threat on offense and you want to get rid of him for a 2nd round pick? Your logic is completely ridiculous and now I understand why you’ve been making your other terrible comments in our other conversation. You and whoever else is in the “I hate Devin Hester fan club” can fornicate yourselves with an iron stick.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 16, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who criticizes Hester
needs to pee in a cup on a regular basis.
Look at this
Receiver Stats
Hester ranks 21st in the league in total yards. Earlier in the season he was 2nd to Fitz in receptions. How many receivers are performing under Hester that you would like to have on the Bears? I see plenty. You want to get rid of Hester for a 2nd round pick and lose a legitimate threat on offense and special teams? The guy isn’t a #1 wideout but he’s coming into his own and you still want to bitch about his performance and get rid of him. It’s ideals like yours that have gotten rid of so much talent prematurely and then you watch them flourish outside of Chicago.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 17, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
For me, Jay Cutler was the second coming on April 2 ....
I have a man crush for JC. Thursday night caused me to reflect somewhat. In the cold light of day, three of those picks weren’t on Cutler (2 in fact were on Hester). He threw for over 300 yards against one of the better secondaries (with depth) in the NFL without the benefit of a run game. He had the anvil of Ron Turner around his neck all night. He was obliterated by a number of incredible penalties beyond his control. Yes, there were some poor decisions. Does anyone remember Peyton Manning throwing six picks last year (or the year before) ? Not a word said. JC is the most harassed QB, throwing some 33% of his passes under pressure. Peyton Manning ? 13%. Go figure. I can’t wait to see Cutler with a decent OL and a couple of years more experience.
by Irish Bears Fan on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 AM CST reply actions
what i don't get (and i'm with you)
is why people are shocked. we know he’s a gunslinger, we know he takes chances, nothing, absolutely nothing has changed about Cutler since April 2nd.
things have changed for him though, worse WR, worse O-line…same defense apparently (one good game against SF does not re establish us)
he also had a pretty good running game last year, bunch of em go down with injuries though.
we know he’s going to throw for over 4,000 yards, this year too i think, and probably around 20 TDs… so i dont understand, he’s almost the same as last year, 4,000 yds, 20tds, 63% completion rate… and some more INTs… uh yeah, thats what we traded for
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
and that’s without Marshall and Royal.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 16, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I never really liked Skip Bayless but...
this was a breath of fresh air for anyone who defends Cutler.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4651519&bn_r=ec&bn_g=au&bn_k=1
wait a week
he’ll be throwing cutler under the bus after a good game.
he loves to be contrary, but he’ll never stick with his original point.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Skip, like Cutler, went to Vanderbilt
Bayless has been one of Cutler’s biggest cheerleaders from day one.
Long before most people ever heard of Cutler, Bayless was promoting him.
Skip has never wavered in his support of Jay Cutler.
Plenty of blame to go around.
I find minimal fault with Forte, though.
Last year he’d pause—“run PATIENTLY”—make a cut and hit a hole. That’s his running style. But this year he takes that same pause, and he’s mobbed in his own backfield by disrupting defenders who have pushed our linemen a couple yards backwards.
Like I said, there’s a lot of blame to go around on the Bears, but Forte bears little of it, if you ask me.
From most responsible to least (in my estimation):
1. To me, it all starts with crappy coaching and personnel decisions (GM).
2. Then, the o-line is awful.
3. WRs are either inexperienced or mediocre (at best).
4. Defense is inconsistent. (but see #1)
5. Cutler’s poor decision-making, over-reaching. (see #1 and #2)
After the Arizona blow-out, I heard/read Cutler say, “I have to play better…I have to do more” or something to that effect. And IMMEDIATELY I thought: uh-oh. There’ll be trouble next week.
Because he DOESN’T need to “do more”. If anything, he needs to do LESS.
I daresay—maybe even imitate Kyle Orton for one game. Play conservative. But sprinkle in a couple bombs if/as the game allows.
Not every play needs to be a home run.
You can’t do it all by yourself.
No one player should be scape-goated right now, nor should any one player be exonerated.
Cutler’s won us a few games. He’s also lost us a few. He is by no means innocent, though.
Jay's And The Bears Ultimate Failure.
Is in the Red Zone. It is part Jay and part Offensive scheme. So it is incumbent upon the Offensive coordinator and the Head Coach to change the scheme once we get in the Red Zone to something that is more effective. This is not Rocket Science, it’s football.
Cutler is at fault for some of the Interceptions
But not all of them were on him, just look at the last game.
Hester fell down on one of them, and I think he ran into a Ref on another one that was picked off. I also think I saw pass interference that wasn’t called on one of them.
With Cutler, I think that he feels like it is on him to make every play since Forte isn’t getting any holes to run through and Cutler isn’t getting any protection so he feels like he has to force it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
Kellen Davis non interference call
when u are playing that bad you are not going to get calls like that.
Plus
If you’re 6’7" the officials won’t call pass interference on you when you get bowled over by a much smaller DB, to spare your blushes.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Exactly
If KDavis knew what he was doing he moves towards the ball and makes the catch instead of staying back.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 18, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely!
Come on… to be beat by a CB when ur 6’7" …but Cutler should use the guys height & not throw the ball at his feet!!!
So funny to read comments drawing lines comparing the Packers, Cards, and whatever other prolific offense that is the flavor of the year. Look, Cutler needs to look at his decision making skills..no doubt about it. But to offer the Packers as an analogy is so apples to oranges it doesn’t wash. First, the Cards and Pack have weapons on the outside. The Bears do not. Couple that with a below average OLine and you get disaster at times. But, to point to Cutler as a problem is not cutting the cheese whiz in my book. IF a team is going to redefine its identity, THEN you better make dam sure you surround him with assets. The one, maybe two the Bears have other than Cutler have been inconsistent (Forte and Olsen) because the offensive coord has no clue what to do with Cutler. Tossing it up 50+ times a game is not my idea of creativity. Cutler is a punching bag in the pocket, the receivers suck, and the line cannot run block to save its a**. Generally, the Bears better dam well have a game plan this off season that entails spending some money. Need a true #1 on the outside, a Center, and probably a LT or RT dependent on what they do with Williams. That is just the offensive side of the ball. I would love a shut down corner on the other side. This year, the Bears in total, are a below average football team, created by a GM who has no clue how to put together a team on the offensive side of the football.
I know consider the source,
but calling Forte "… worse starting running back in the league " is just dumb.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

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