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Who Could Replace Ron Turner Next Year

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I think most of us Bears fans are resigned to the fact that Lovie Smith isn't going anywhere.
  Barring a disastrous finish to the 2009 season the Chicago Bears will move forward with Lovie Smith as Head Coach again in 2010.  But unless the Bears make a dramatic turnaround and fight their way into the playoffs at least one head will roll.  The head most of us would like to see chopped is offensive coordinator Ron Turner, although quarterbacks coach Pep Hamilton might be the scapegoat.

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If Turner is jettisoned the Bears will eat the final year of his contract.  He signed a one year extension before this year locking him up through the 2010 season.  So will the Bears organization take the salary hit?  If Turner is fired the Bears will need to chose the next OC carefully, he'll need to be an established offensive mind (no John Shoop types please) with a proven track record in the NFL.  If the Bears fire Turner and replace him with an unknown, with thoughts of going cheap, the fan base should revolt and march on Halas Hall.  Potentially, this hire could be franchise altering decision. 

In this semi-regular series I'll look at possible replacements if Turner is canned.  First up a name that has been floated on this very site, but one that I think is highly unlikely, a lot of things must fall into place for him to be available, and that's Charlie Weis.

Would I like to see this hire?  Oh. Hell. Yes.  But like I said, it's highly unlikely.  I think Weis has one of the best offensive minds in football, but his arrogance isn't the best fit at the college game.  Reports of his living room demeanor on recruiting trips suggests he's out of his element at Notre Dame as does his so-so record, and I think he may be out of place as a head coach entirely.  

But in the NFL and running an offense, he'd be at home.  He has the experience, from 1998-2004 he was an NFL offensive coordinator, the first two years with the Jets and the final four in New England.  He helped groom Tom Brady into "Tom Brady", so working with Jay Cutler would be appealing to him.  Especially if Cutler continues to struggle, Weis could lay claim to "fixing" his career.  If you're wondering how he is at developing talent, other than Brady, the following is from his bio on the Notre Dame website;

In Weis' first tenure with the Patriotsfrom 1993-96, he assisted in the development of some of New England's all-time best individual season performances from Coates, Martin and Terry Glenn, respectively. During his first four seasons in New England, he coached three different positions. In 1993 and `94, Weis served as the Patriots' tight ends coach and, in his second season at the position, Coates set an NFL record for receptions by a tight end with 96 and earned his first trip to the Pro Bowl. In `95, Weis coached the Patriots' running backs and was credited with developing Martin, a third-round `95 draft pick, into one of the premier running backs in the NFL. That year, Martin won league rookie-of-the-year honors and set franchise rushing records with 1,487 yards and 14 TDs. In `96, Weis coached the New England receivers, with Glenn leading the team and setting an NFL rookie reception record with 90 catches for 1,132 yards and six TDs.

From 1997 to '99 (with Parcells as head coach and Belichick as assistant head coach), Weis called offensive plays for the New York Jets...  In `98, Weis was named the offensive coordinator/wide receivers coach. By season's end, his offense ranked among the greatest in franchise history and led the Jets to their first division title. The team scored 416 points, second-highest total in franchise history (after 419 points in `68) and averaged 357.2 yards per game. It marked the second-best total-offense season average in Jets history (368.5 yards per game in `85). Both of Weis' starting receivers, Johnson (1,131) and Wayne Chrebet (1,083), eclipsed the 1,000-yard receiving plateau for the first time in their careers.

He has 4 Super Bowl rings (1 as a Giant assistant & 3 in N.E.) and would bring instant credibility to the locker room.  Name me one offensive player that wouldn't be jacked up to play for him? 

Even with the struggles he's had in South Bend, his offense has produced the two greatest passing numbers in school history in ‘05 and ‘06, and in 2008 his offense scored the most points ever at Notre Dame. 

It's looking more and more likely that Weis could get the boot from Notre Dame, but will he be looking to jump right back into coaching?  More often that not coaches elect to take a year or two off to refresh the batteries.  And would he be willing to take on the roll of an OC after being in the spotlight as the head coach? 

Weis would bring a lot to the Bears; calling a game, developing a game plan, nurturing talent; three things we haven't seen in Chicago in a long time.  So what do you guys think?  Could you see a scenario where Charlie Weis will replace Ron Turner? 

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There's no reason to think he wouldn't be willing to take on an OC role

Our current defensive line coach was a head coach very recently. Also of a team that woefully underprepared.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 19, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

well

i could see a scenario where a squirrel will replace ron turner, so yes. unless our offense suddenly starts producing consistently, i don’t see any way that any of the offensive coaches are retained. lovie probably stays, only because of the money and years on the contract, but almost everyone else goes. and, truthfully, i think the bears have no choice but to go after a well-established person to run the offense, if for no other reason, that lovie might be axed in a year. if you bring in someone with a nice resume, they might rightfully assume they’ll have an inside shot at the HC position if lovie is canned. i don’t think you can bring in a less-established person in that kind of situation.

by guy incognito on Nov 19, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done,

Weis is definitely not a healthy looking man.

by Fridge72 on Nov 19, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate that he wears shelltoes.

Adidas Shelltoes and Sambas have been my shoe of choice for about a decade now.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 19, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's like twice this size now

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 19, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. I like your signature.

That’s one of my favorites, but obviously Homer has never seen the St. Louis Rams.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 19, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Team Homer

It’s one of my favorite Homer lines of all-time. I like the follow-up too…

Homer: Oh, I Gotta go. My damn wiener kids are listening.

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 19, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While I would love to see Weis

as our OC. I just don’t think it will happen. I know there are a ton of people clamoring for him to get canned, but I think he is going to get another year to develop his recruiting classes. Just a hunch, that and I don’t think Notre Dame wants to eat his contract yet.

by Fridge72 on Nov 19, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

there's no chance

this is not a desireable situation with the coach likely to be fired after one year. unless there is a wink wink nod nod agreement that he will be head coach. but that doesn’ t make much sense either.

by Hatchetm on Nov 19, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jermey Bates of USC and Charlie Weis would be my top 2 canidates

I would like Wesis here in Chicago, but with the money Norte Dame is going to owe him, don’t think he would be in a rush to coach some where else.

by NiqueBears on Nov 19, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bates of USC...

Any one have any other posibilities just drop drop their names and maybe I’ll spotlight then here in the coming weeks

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 19, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, yes!

During Lovie’s tenure, OC has been a huge sore spot on the staff. I agree, he definitely needs to get this right this time. Cutler, Olsen, Hester all need more hands-on teaching by a master of offensive philosophy in order for them to reach “elite” status.

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 19, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Unlikely, but a guy can dream

I really think that Lovie and Angelo have to get someone on board who will save THEIR careers. In the past, it has seemed to me that Angelo and Lovie’s egos are so big that they want this Bears team to be their baby and their baby alone. But now they are both getting put in a position that if they don’t start getting good results then their heads may roll. I really expect a big name hire to fill OC in the offseason, because if the offenses sputters again, they will have the “but its not my fault, its their fault” argument or the “it will take time to develop under a new OC” excuse.

by ClawsClawsClaws on Nov 19, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Turner might stick around

because it would be tough to get a big name, quality OC in here under a lame duck HC and GM. If the Bears don’t reach the playoffs this year and Lovie/Jerry are still around, next year will definitely be make or break. If I’m Lovie and Jerry, I think my best chance to succeed for the one year is to maintain the continuity, especially if they can make some off-season moves for the OL.

Personally, I’d like to see the entire staff gone the day after the season ends if we miss the playoffs again, but unless they completely tank the rest of this year, I don’t see any real serious changes.

by BearFan611 on Nov 19, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way

Unless a big name OC will come in with the thoughts of taking over for the Lame Ducks

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see Lovie doing something like that

It was my impression that one of the reasons he got rid of Rivera was the fact that he didn’t like the competition and the attention RR was getting. If that’s true, to any degree, there’s no way he’d treat his possible replacement well at all.

by BearFan611 on Nov 19, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

True dat

Lovie’s ego didn’t want Rivera around, he’ll NEVER agree to someone as well known as Charlie Weiss to be the OC. I’d love to see it, but just don’t see it happening.

by MuleTrain on Nov 19, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying with his blessing

I’m saying a possible OC hire might want the job knowing Lovie might get fired, then he could be in line for the gig

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 19, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken,

but when Lovie signed his extension, wasn’t one of the sticking points that he have sole control over his staff? I think he has that. So Lovie would have to agree to bring in Weiss, which I don’t see him doing.

by MuleTrain on Nov 19, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, that's possible

but if the Offense don’t improve this year and Lovie refuses to replace Turner the Bears might fire them all!

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 19, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

that should be the Bears strategy in getting Lovie to quit.

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 19, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dangit

because if he didn’t have control than we could bring anyone in to make him angry and than he would quit, but I’m not sure Lovie’s part of the brain that contols emotion works so there is a chance it might not work

by DaHamsta on Nov 19, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Consultant

isn’t that how teams are doing it now? not a coach, a offensive consultant?

by GtM on Nov 19, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but I’m not sure Lovie’s part of the brain that contols emotion works

Heh

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Nov 20, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weis would fit in perfect

in Chitown cause of his waistline and hearty appetite! Can you say mucho combos and deep-dish pizzas?

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 19, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting tired of Lovie canning assistants

And then bringing in new guys and saying everything will be fine. Hamilton and Turner will go before Lovie, I agree, but I don’t know if I like it. The Bears never bring in big name coordinators but I hope they do. I’d be ok with Weis.

by GallopingGhost on Nov 19, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sun times has an interesting article on the Bears struggles.

Really sums up my frustrations well. link

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Nov 19, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice if

Phillips or Angelo were to offer the OC position in 2010 as an interview for HC in 2011. That might bring in some under the radar ambitious offensive minds to the picture. And might get lovie a lil fired up about his coaching career.

by GtM on Nov 19, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if Weis is fired....

has Weis even been fired yet as the NO coach? Be cool to get rid of turner, no matter who is the replacement….need a new defensive coordinator as well….love the picture of weis in a chair, lol reminds me of reid somehow…personally i think lovie will stay and probably should but i think his entire staff needs to be revamped besides our new D-line coach..he just needs new players…Harris is overrated and immature..

by bearsfan87 on Nov 19, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Who could replace Turner..

Weis, my grandmother, a hobo, a rock with some offensive plays drawn on it…need I say more?

by Pretender85 on Nov 19, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about this kid?

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 19, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler throws it to a wide-open Hester who ran the Octopus-Route to perfection!

You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!

by chibullsfan03 on Nov 19, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no this is his playbook

nah the plays would be much better if he used these plays

by DaHamsta on Nov 19, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I Love It!

I think Turner needs to ask MADDEN, lol

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie Weis.

I really don’t think this man is healthy enough to be our Offensive Coordinator. I am not trying to be funny here. This man looks HORRIBLE health wise. He already had the stomach bypass surgery and it’s looking like it did very little. I’m all about Shanny if he would be willing to be the O.C.

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You've become quite the consummate doctor recently.

Diagnosing Cutler’s woes based on speculative logical fallacies, and now a prognosis of Weis’ health based on looking at him.

Btw, I replied to the email.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 19, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Logical Fallacies?

Fact 1. Charile weis has stomach bypass surgery because of obesity.
Fact 2. Based on any Health chart accepted by the American Medical Association, Charle Weis is still obese.
Fact 3. I never stated as FACT that Jay Cutler played poorly at Night because of his vision. I stated it was one possible reason for his 0 – 3 record at Night and his QB rating of 52.0

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...

parts 1 and 2-

Your comment was that “I really don’t think this man is healthy enough to be our Offensive Coordinator.”

and 3-

I haven’t even touched that one, and won’t start now.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 19, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right About Number 1.

I like Charlie Weis and I feel sorry for him. I think the best thing for Charlie Weis is to get away from the pressure of football and to concentrate on getting healthy again. So that is just my opinion on a Bear Blog Website about a College Coach. Just because people sometimes don’t like my opinions Dane does not make them logical fallacies.

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!

That was cool dude, very original!

by Gesiakob on Nov 19, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

awesome.

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by smudgers on Nov 19, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just so you know...

Just because he had stomach bypass surgery doesn’t mean he’ll be skinny right away. It takes most people 1-4 years to just lose 1/3 of their original weight. I’m not sure exactly when he had it done, but yeah. And besides, didn’t he have complications with it? If I remember right, he almost died. So I doubt that he’s loving being obese.

I don’t think we can judge how well of a coach he is by his health/weight. Yes, he could lose some weight to be healthier, but he could be relatively healthy for being what size he is, I don’t know.

But yeah, he might not be showing the weight loss yet, or it could be negated by the complications he had.

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by HoneyBear on Nov 19, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weis had a botched gastric bypass operation

He ended up in a legal battle because of the operation gone wrong, obviously resulting in no lost weight, rather he has gained weight since then.

by careyrd on Nov 20, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he lost his lawsuit

because he didn’t go through the usualy presurgury routine, he wanted the operation immediately

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

me thinks Weis is going nowhere

he still has a winning record this season and overall at ND, plus, the recruiting class ND got at the end of last season was sick, so I think he’ll get one more season.

That being said, I wouldn’t mind Charlie as OC or HC. Like some of you have said, I don’t see a big name OC coming in with Lovie and Angelo still around.

While we are on the subject, what about Shanahan’s kid from Houston? He becomes HC, Dad becomes “special adviser”? Hmmmm?

by BBANGUS on Nov 19, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Shanahan!

that should be our HC! Tellin ya the kid is gonna be killer for whatever team gives him the chance!!

by GtM on Nov 19, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Harbaugh!!

Weiss would be nice tho

by No It All on Nov 19, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Now that Harbaugh has had success at Stanford I think he’s a Head Coach type in the NFL, I can’t see him leaving college to become a coordinator

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 19, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i know...

same with just about anybody I want as OC though. You are right though and Harbaugh would likely prefer the HC job at Michigan over the OC job with the Bears. However, the chance to be Lovie’s heir may interest him as well.

by No It All on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this straight

Lovie is the head coach and runs his defense.

In the past 2 and a half seasons (2007-2009) his (Lovie’s) defense has ranked 16-16-19. The offense has ranked 20-15-20.

The defense averages out to 17th. The offense 18th.

Pretty similar neighborhoods to me.

That’s right . Fire the OC when the defense sucks as bad. And when the guys who’s the head coach is responsible for his defense.

Yeah, that makes sense. (Not really).

by axthelm on Nov 19, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure we in WCG would fire Lovie if we could

But some of us are dealing in the reality that the Bears organization will not eat the remainder of the multi-million dollar contract Lovie has.

Judging from your other post wanting everyone to stay on your topic, I thought maybe the topic here being the OC position might be addressed.

by TheMan1 on Nov 19, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was on topic

I clearly said that firing the OC was scapegoating. Maybe you missed that in my post.
The topic was firing Ron Turner and I said that was scapegoating. His offense is barely worse than Lovie’s defense. And Lovie runs the team.

If you’re going to fire Turner cause the offense sucks, you can clearly make the argument that you can also fire Lovie. His defense sucks as bad. Besides, I’m sure that Lovie has had much more input into personnel than has Turner.

That is to say, that Lovie has had more control over his unit than has Ron Turner.

The fact that the Bears won’t fire Lovie and hire a big name means just that. That they won’t do the intelligent thing.

Buffalo just fired their head coach with two years remaining on his contract and placed a call to MIke Shanahan who’s going to get big bucks from someone to walk the sidelines next year.

Nobody in their right mind would say that Buffalo has more money that do the Bears.
Ralph Wilson wants to win. It’s just that simple

by axthelm on Nov 19, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lovie ain't going no where
I think most of us Bears fans are resigned to the fact that Lovie Smith isn’t going anywhere. Barring a disastrous finish to the 2009 season the Chicago Bears will move forward with Lovie Smith as Head Coach again in 2010.

You must have some inside info if you really think the Bears will eat Lovies salary. I’d love to see a change if he can’t turn it around, but I doubt it will happen.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 20, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For whoever is interested,

here are three links about Weis’ gastric bypass that led to him losing 90 pounds, the complications, and the lawsuit. Bear in mind, the surgery was in 2002.

Also, one of the articles mentions that Mike Singletary was interviewing for the Chargers job shortly after Marty Schottenheimer was conned.

1 Mississippi

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You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 20, 2009 8:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The question was...

Who could replace Ron Turner? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone????

Exactly.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 20, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anyone?

Bueller?

Brian? Hello? Weis? (in Ozzie Guillen voice)

(shrug)

I wouldn’t mind seeing Weis as OC. Just keep him as far away from the HC position as possible.

by SJS_illini on Nov 20, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm good with the Bears in Madden

I’ll do it.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Nov 20, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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