Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Browns Edition
Fans of the Chicago Bears got what we expected on Sunday: a complete dominance of a terrible team. In the long run, it probably doesn't make us feel any better about the season, but in the short run, it puts us a game over .500, and along pace with some of the other wild card potential teams in the NFC.
The defense looked good yesterday for the most part, but the offense continues to show a lack of rhythm. Luckily, we have some great young talent to build our future on, but that doesn't get us off the hook for the remainder of the 2009 season.
- Many will argue that the QB is the most important position on the field, while others will say it is collectively the OL. Roberto Garza can still hold his own, but Chris Williams is the only lineman that I think is worth banking on beyond 2009.
- Matt Forte is falling victim to our lackluster OL play. If I were to grade Forte, I'd say he is a 7 out of 10, with 8 being a Pro Bowl RB. Luckily, he is still very young, and dependable.
- Orlando Pace can still get it done at certain times, but is not consistent. One play, he'll have a dominate pancake block, and the next three plays he can't maintain his balance.
- Marcus Harrison showed good penetration yesterday.
- Danieal Manning showed great athleticism, and has incredible speed. Still out of position a lot, but Lovie Smith has done a good job with him. Hopefully, we see steady improvement over the year from Manning.
- I'll see what I can pull up numbers-wise, but Jay Cutler seems to look better in the shotgun.
- Speaking of Cutler, is it just me, or does he hang his head too much? Sees like his confidence level is down, and doesn't show much fire (outside of jawing with the opposing DC). It seems like the QB would be more of a leader...
- Offensive rhythm continues to be a problem. We'll look good one drive, only to look completely out of synch for the next three.
- Nick Roach is fast. Depending on Pisa Tinoisamoa's future as a Bear, I like Roach's athleticism. Hunter Hillenmeyer is intelligent, but not a starter for every Sunday. Next year, could we see Briggs, Urlacher, Roach?
- Cutler has forced our WRs to develop good hands. He makes some throws that many WRs couldn't catch. Good to see the progress of Devin Hester and Earl Bennett.
- Devin Hester should be our punt returner for years to come. He is still very young, and has more talent than I can say. Can you imagine how great he will be as he continues to develop into a formidable WR?
- Craig Steltz struggled in the defensive side of things this past offseason, but looks great on ST coverage.
- Kyle Orton was 10/15 passing for 35 yards in the first half in the Denver game yesterday.
- In the second half, Cleveland's RBs were getting past our front 4 too easily.
- When Cutler has time to throw, and plants his feet, he looks great. Too bad that doesn't happen more than once or twice per game.
- Corey Graham looked good on ST. What is his future with the Bears?
- Is Hunter Hillenmeyer really 100% healthy? I don't think so.
- Al Afalava continued to shine in run support. That kid is tough. Pay him more.
- Once again, we saw a run by Forte headed left, only to have the line collapse, and him cut back to his right for a TD run. His vision/ shiftiness is amazing.
- Hester limping in the 4th quarter after good run. Is he alright?
- Brady Quinn needs to get out of Cleveland. I wasn't a fan of his in college, and didn't think he would be good in the NFL, but have changed my mind. He will be a good NFL QB if he can find somewhere else t play.
- Hard to criticize Ron Turner when he doesn't have the personnel to work with. Our OL will continue holding back Forte, Cutler, and others as long as we keep sticking with what we have.
- JOSH BEEKMAN IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS. HE GOT RUN SLAP OVER SEVERAL TIMES, AND GOT CUTLER NAILED BECAUSE OF IT. BEEKMAN IS NOT THE ANSWER.
- If we are going to fight for a wild card spot, the NFC East will be a tough challenger. It's early still, but it would be nice to see New Orleans get a win over Atlanta...
- The orange jerseys look great!
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The offensive line looked brutal.
Matt Forte’s showing happy feet. He’s dancing behind the line a lot. What happened to our AP? We need a back that will hit the hole (or lack there of) with a little authority. At least plowing directly into your own guard will get him moving forward cause they only move backward when it is left up to them. When Cutler is hurried he throws poorly and he looks anxious in the pocket. He now has more picks than td’s and that trend will only get worse as the defenses get better. This could be a long season if the line doesn’t improve drastically.
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by Just Dave on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing...
Forte’s talent is not as a tough, shoulder down RB. His strengths are the ability to shift into seams and make great cuts.
Do we need a “thunder” type RB to compliment him? Sure, that is ideal in today’s NFL.
But, for what we have now, Forte has his set of talents that are not jiving with the abilities of the OL.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Larry Johnson as a complement to Forte
I’m sure he’d rather be a feature but maybe it could work. That is as long as we don’t let him talk. Have to wait and see how his future with the Chiefs works out but he’d probably be better than KJ.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs gave him a $45 million deal
two years ago. LJ is thirty years old this year, so it will be interesting to see what KC does with him.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GeauxBears who has those talents ???? maybe Brandon Jacobs,only a few and i mean a few HB would make this line work.You make a great point but my point is,that even if we had a hard nose runner he would mostly still fail miserably because of are OL .
by bears rock on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forte is fine.
I know it has been said before, but its the OLine and the offensive coordinator. The OLine isn’t getting the job done. Even worse the offense hasn’t adapted. We can’t effectively stop run blitzes. The obvious answer seems to me to use screen passes and short passes to exploit aggressive defenses. Part of this entails understanding and minimizing our own weaknesses and maximizing a strength (if we have one). While I’m not sure if Forte’s 24 catches so far is a lot or a little, either way they aren’t getting him the ball in space and allowing him to use his talents.
What frustrates me is that it isn’t even necessary to reinvent the wheel offensively when you can just go and steal plays from teams that actually have a functional offense. I’m not saying a whole playbook, some teams have already figured out how to scheme and get certain position players open (especially running backs on screens). It should not be ignored that Jay’s greatest success came in an AFC style offense. While I don’t have an exact definition of AFC style, i suspect it is much different than NFC North. This is something the playbook needs to reflect.
by No It All on Nov 2, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It all starts in the trenches.
I thought that was an over used and overrated statement. This years’ team proved me wrong, very very very very wrong.
by Big Ike on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to honestly take a good, hard look at 2 coaching positions on this team that need to be held accountable for the disaster that they've put out on the field this year:
1) Offensive line coach
2) Offensive coordinator
Of course, the “talent” on the line is sub-par. But at least 1/2 of the coaches’ job is knowing whether or not your players can cut it and telling management that they need to go out and get some decent help (not someone who’s been a career back-up, or an aging star who got cut and is way past his prime).
I for one, am getting really tired of reading everyone’s comments that are all basically saying the same thing: “hey the line really sucks this year!”
Look at what the management of our competition is doing: The Vikings had one of the best O-lines in the league the past several years. What did they do in the draft? They took a massive left tackle who has tons of potential. Instead of signing free-agent has beens and trading for busts, what did they do before last season? They went out and signed Jared Allen, who I would argue is looking like the best defensive free-agent signing of this decade, period.
What’s our “brain-trust” up to? Hey, let’s go out and trade our second round pick for Gaines Adams. And while we’re at it, let’s sign Frank Omiyale to a $14 million dollar deal!
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by JimmyMack on Nov 2, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jared Allen
was traded. Not a free agent
by CutlerDabears on Nov 2, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
They gave up something like a first and a third round pick to get him.
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by JimmyMack on Nov 2, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Wolfe
looked like that yesterday. Not saying he’s the answer, but he deserves kudos for coming and running that hard, even in garbage time. He was refusing to go down unless more than four Browns were on him.
by Cosmis on Nov 2, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pace can’t block,idk why but it seems he struggles every game.Hester is turing into a true number 1 with his speed and hands.Forte needs to hit the hole !!!
by bears rock on Nov 2, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hester looks good on the underneath routes.
It would be nice to see Cutler have time for Hester and Knox to stretch the field though.
And what do you mean Forte needs to hit the hole? There is no friggin hole!
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt I tell you Hester would return one yesterday!!!
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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Nov 2, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When he broke loose,
I thought about your prediction!
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He almost had two, god I was soo pissed after the flag came on the field.
I think we can close the book on whether or not this guy should be returning punts or not. He is starting to get his confidence back that is like 6 in a row over 20 yards. Maybe he will bring back some of the magic from the Monday Night Miracle when we go up against the Cardinals again.
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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have only now established a limited ability to connect underneath... the long stuff will come soon.
by No It All on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully...
but we have to give Cutler time in order for that to happen.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One solution....
I had never felt so down after a so-called blowout win. My Bears looks so pathetic on both sides of the ball yesterday that gives me deep concern. This season might be the most embarrassing season in Bears history, only second to the 0-16 Lions. With the next slate of (4) games, the Bears could be 4-7 or 7-9 with 3 winnable games Det, Stl and possible SF. The way this team is playing now, 2 games against Minn, then Cards, GB, BAL and PHI. I can’t see us winning against equal or better teams. More than ever, when our beloved OC Turner says, he plans to dumb down the playbook to simplify things. Huh? This guy has to be one of the worst offensive minds in football. Over the years he had to dumb down this coloring book for Grossman, Bennett, Orton, Forte, Benson and countless other players. Why is this happening?
Angelo trade for one of the games’ top young QBs. Then Lovie makes himself the defensive coach, bring in Ron Marinnelli, Orlando Pace, and tons of other bad signings and the team can’t improve at least by one game?
The ineptitude of Bears management has been so obvious this year. From top down, coaches and management have no place to hide, no excuse to shield them from with the mountains of evidence that points to them and give answers to why this team will have another failed season. Especially, with all the trades, releases, and acquisitions over the last couple of years that have been bad for this club and good for opponents.
Exhibit A, the Bears brass and coaches had released several players over the past 2 years that has the entire Bear nation on pause. Somehow those players’ new coaches and management found someway to turn Bears’ trash to treasure. In return, Bears coaches and management turn other teams treasures to trash. We fans can no more say, Bears just need better players. This team lacks an identity. The system and scheme is disadvantage to players and their development. Nevertheless, the Bears management and coaches have failed to build a structure to maximize players and produce tangible results on Sunday. For example, as a NFL fan, I know what the Eagles, Colts, and Pats are geared up to do every Sunday, but don’t have a clue what Cleveland is attempting to do. Are we turning into Cleveland and Oakland after being in the Super Bowl a few short years ago? What erosion, all due to bad draft picks and coaches that don’t know how to prep players. In the beginning, Lovie use to say, "We get off the Bus running the Ball" and teams knew that and put 8 in the box to stop the Bears scheme.
At the end of last season the Bears knew they had problems on the QB, Oline, WR, and secondary, but again failed to address them. This city has been talking about upgrades at those positions since forever, but I’ll give this club credit by answering the call at QB. Angelo continues to bring mediocre players back to like Davis, Peterson and Wolfe (to name a few) for Special teams, like he can’t find some idiot off the streets to come in and make tackles. Those few spots could have been for more productive players on the offensive side of the ball.
Recent, Angelo said in an interview that he has tons of cash to work with this offense, but how could you be upbeat about this guy picking the groceries? If ownership is smart, they’ll cut Angelo’s purse string and send him packing, give Shannahan or Cowher whatever they want, then raise ticket prices and put a good team on the field. Fans will pay anything for good product.
Sadly, there’s nothing this coaching staff or GM could do to fix all of these problems on this team. Most disheartening, no draft picks as another source to build and fix the problems on this team.
by Soloistic on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we leave the doomsday speak for at least Tuesday.
I actually like to enjoy a win on Monday regardless of circumstances.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of pessimists do you think we are?lololololol =p
by bears rock on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't see us
beating equal or better teams, when we’ve already done that? I guess the Steelers suck, right? The worse the weather gets, the better I feel about our team, because Cutler can throw through anything.
by Cosmis on Nov 2, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For this OL he dances too much in the backfield sometimes.Granted you have to do that and it’s a big part of his game but with this under achiever OL you can’t do that as much.
by bears rock on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was happy to see the following:
- Hester find the end zone on a return (even though it was flagged).
- A multiple turnover game for our defense, and more importantly a defensive TD.
These are the main two areas that made us so good in ’05. Even it was Cleveland, these are momentum changers that our team can build upon and should help us gain some of that swagger back.
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by smudgers on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can "Swagger" play guard? ;)
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No he plays DT
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone's better than Harris.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 2, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 2, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Beekman??? I seen 2 plays where he opened i mean opened the whole.One play went for 10 and another went for 6 but it was refreshing to see.
by bears rock on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, please use the reply button
so we know who you are replying to.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t read too much into Cutler “hanging his head”, his leadership has been lauded by his teammates all year.
by wiltfongjr on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just with it would translate
to the playing field during games…
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you
hang your head if Ron Turner was your O-coordinator? I mean, what’s with him being late getting the play to Jay? There’s absolutely no excuse for that.
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by propheteer on Nov 2, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't agree with you more
about Turner … not only that, but I’d be hanging my head if I knew I had those five idiots known as our OL trying to “protect” me every game. it won’t be long until Cutler ends up in the IR and it will be the OL’s fault they couldn’t pick up a blitz or just stop a team’s front four in general.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
by junkhorse on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Turner's Madden 03 froze up when he hit "Ask Madden" for the next play
He had no idea what to call…
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by ThorCo on Nov 2, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That would be hysterical if O-coordinators used it as a guide on how to call plays.
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by propheteer on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my theory is
He was trying to keep the blood from going down his throat.
by TrialsBass on Nov 2, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole what....?
Some of the run plays looked marginally better. But this was against the BROWNS!
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by Just Dave on Nov 2, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest knock against Jay
Speaking of Cutler, is it just me, or does he hang his head too much? Sees like his confidence level is down, and doesn’t show much fire (outside of jawing with the opposing DC). It seems like the QB would be more of a leader…
Bronco fans will tell us, and they have informed us in the past, that this is his main issue that’s holding him back.
As far Forte goes, he needs to bounce those inside runs outside more often like his second TD run yesterday. His vision is a strength, but he’s fallen victim of staying with the play even the though the middle has been clogged up for most of the run plays.
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by propheteer on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't noticed Manning being out of position...
At least not to the degree in the past… Are you talking about when Roach was MLB (making the calls)?
by rdent4hof on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There were a couple of plays where he had
over the top duties, but shadowed the WR across the middle of the field, leaving the bubble on top of the CB open. His speed can make up for that, but when we play a team that has time to throw, that will get him in trouble, especially when he has TE duties.
Lovie has done a great job with Manning, but things aren’t where they should be just yet.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I unfortunately
do not have the opportunity to watch the Bears games multiple times. So thanx.
Pace to me hasn’t looked bad… Average maybe, but not bad. Am I wrong?
by rdent4hof on Nov 3, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's very inconsistent.
But I guess that’s what you get from a player who is headed downhill from a dominant career. He still has the ability to make great blocks, but it seems like for every one great pancake block, he gets beat twice.
When people started chattering about Derrick Brooks a few weeks ago, that was the first thing that popped in my head. The guy could still be a beast and destroy someone on any given play, but he’d get burned the next two.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame Cutler for the pathetic Offensive performance
It’s impossible to judge a QB with that seive of an offensive line – I don’t care who you have back there, when they’re getting continually run over, through and around then you could sprinkle magic fairy dust and it still wouldn’t make a difference. Let me ask a question – if Orton was behind center this year, how many games do you think the Bears would have won at this point? One? I’d give you a generous two games, but that’s it. Honestly, it’s painful to watch him start running about a millisecond after the ball is snapped – I don’t know why Turner’s not calling more roll – outs, just so that his QB doesn’t have his head taken off on almost every play. And how about that awesome red zone performance? Terrible – reminded me a lot of the awful Bears teams of the 70’s, where it was basically run Payton on every down and hope for the best. Except this time we don’t have a Payton, and it wouldn’t matter if we did.
by Waylon on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And add
misdirection, screens, delayed draws, and options. I compare it to the battle of Gettysburg where Lee continually ordered a frontal assault even though the North’s position was strongest in the middle. The lack of creativity and adaptation is mind boggling!
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's
a beautiful analogy…and on point.
Turner has yet to play to the strengths of his personnel on offense:
Cutler’s mobility, speed with Knox and Hester and Wolfe…they need to spread opposing defenses OUT to create the holes that the oh-no! line CAN’T…
start using more misdirections, end-arounds, bootlegs/roll-outs. Keep Dez in to block (he’s better at it), and split Olsen wide or put him the slot.
Attack the middle of the field with the TEs more (anyone notice how this play—TEs to the middle—has been successful almost every time they’ve run it?)…
Not to be Chairman of the Department of Redundancy Department, but the problem is with the LINE, not Forte…last year, Forte to would run up the backs of his linemen, patiently, see a hole open, and cut into it. This year he’s doing the same exact thing (you even heard him say yesterday in the post-game, that he likes to be “patient” and “wait for the play to develop”, except nothing’s opening up.
Which leaves him to look like he’s just happy-footed his into the back of his own linemen.
Finally, the other huge thing this offense is missing is the threat of Forte AS A FREAKING RECEIVER. We all saw what happened with ONE PLAY where Forte got the ball in space on a short dump—BOOM! big gain.
Much of Forte’s threat is as a receiver—Jay needs to reign himself in a bit, just enough to realize that Forte in the flat, on a screen, or as a dump-off is perhaps the most explosive option this offense has.
It’s time for Tunrer to get creative—face the fact that we don’t have the “run it down your throat” ability OR personnel anymore—and that we have to adapt our offensive gameplan accordingly.
Time to use speed and space and misdirection, instead of “strength” and “push” and predictability.
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, almost forgot...
I loved the orange jerseys as well.
Also, fwiw… this guy >>> LINK’ers <<< says he’s gonna post the games each week and in HD, when available. The site’s gonna be password protected but I think if you go there on game day and check the comments section, you’ll be able to get it.
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by smudgers on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"The Bears are a running team"
I’ve heard that from Lovie, Maybe that was true once upon a time. You can’t be a running team if you have perhaps the worst O-Line play in the league.
by Big Ike on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, you can...
It just won’t be a GOOD running team…
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to figure out the philosophy of Forte’s use or lack there of. The O-Line stinks, no way to dress that up. But Forte’s long run after catch was a nice over under route that forced the backers back into coverage. What is so hard about that? Not sure why Turner and the offense move away from getting him touches in other ways (like that play). Orlando is about done and I would argue moving Wiliams over to the left side to see what he has – since that is his natural position.
by poolboy55 on Nov 2, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only thing is,
if we bench Pace and move Williams over, that leaves Shaffer at RT. And to me,
Pace + Williams > Williams + Shaffer
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams will be fine.
I’d even go out on a limb and say that he’ll make the Pro Bowl in his 2nd or 3rd season at LT.
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by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about...
putting Shaffer in at LG. I know that’s not his normal position but it was not Omiyale’s either. You say Beekman is not the answer. Would Shaffer be any worse? He’s bigger and nastier than both Beekman and Omiyale, so hopefully he wouldn’t get thrown around like those two. I say it’s worth a shot.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 2, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it sad
that we are reduced to this? Sitting around daydreaming about who to bench, who to switch, and who we can try at a different position?
You know what else is sad? Look at these names:
Pace, Omiyale, Beekman, Shaffer
In every situation you can come up with, two of those four guys will have to be in the starting lineup.
But, hey, we got another friggin’ pass rusher for our 2010 2nd round draft pick!
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even sadder
when you think about it in contrast to our immediate post-Cutler-signing euphoria…
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One ray of sunshine though...
Isn’t it sad that we are reduced to this? Sitting around daydreaming about who to bench, who to switch, and who we can try at a different position?
At least its no longer at the QB position that we do this.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
by ThorCo on Nov 2, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also sad.
Looking for future free agents to fill those spots.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 2, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who hasn't done s*it yet!
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pace?
As previously mentioned, Pace has been very inconsistent. However, barring an injury, I would be suprised to see him benched.
Beekman played noticably better than Omiyale has in any game this year. Forte seemed to have several solid runs behind Beekman.
That being said, Forte needs to keep bouncing it the outside — particularly when the middle is just completely clogged on a play. It was encouraging to see him do that yesterday.
by MakeHalasProud on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beekman looked awful.
I’m watching the replay of the game, and Beekman is getting blown up left and right. He is who we know he is.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 2, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is sad
when that kind of play is better than omi won kenobi… who if you watch his replays, doesnt block anyone, on several plays… i thought it was impossible… but no, nobody blocked. 8 defenders in the backfield… beekman is an upgrade
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beekman > Omiyale
I know Omiyale is not a Guard, so it doesn’t take much for Beekman to = an upgrade. Yes, Beekman let some guys get past him yesterday (which Omiyale was doing excessively), but at least we were able to run behind Beekman.
Runs to the left side = 118 yards & a TD on 19 attempts = 6.2 Average.
There were not even any really long runs yesterday to inflate that average. So, I would say that marks a very substantial improvement (yeah I know the Browns suck, but still . . .).
by MakeHalasProud on Nov 2, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care about the orange jerseys one way or the other but
wouldn’t it have been a better choice to wear the traditional Navy jerseys on the day you honor one of your all-time greats? Walter never wore an orange jersey with the Bears and then you bring his family out in his colors that are different from the ones the team is wearing.
Obviously, not a big deal in the overall scheme of things but another sign that management doesn’t plan well. Should have waited one more week to bring those out, in my opinion.
by BearFan611 on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, don't expect too many of them from me though. Too much pressure....
by BearFan611 on Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep
the expectations low, that way I’m far more likely to be pleasantly surprised.
P.S. this philosphy works in regard to expectations for the Bears, too… :-)
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!!!!
I’ve been a Bears and Cub fan for my whole life, so I’ve learned these little excercises along the way.
by BearFan611 on Nov 2, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked to see them wear the same Jerseys that the Bears wore when Walter was playing.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 2, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank god the browns are comically bad
or else the bears lose that game…we sucked bad yesterday…once we face a decent team again we will get throttled for sure…
by lopey986 on Nov 2, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope..
That we see an o-line overhaul next year..do we have a list running anywhere of potential FA linemen for next year? since we aren’t getting jack crap out of the draft lol
by Pretender85 on Nov 2, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dunno if anyone's found this yet
but it looks like the 49ers will be without Nate Clements against us
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Broken shoulder?
or something?
Old Kurt tends to be a streaky guy, too—maybe he’s just starting one of his bad ones?
(gun shy, happy footed, turnover-prone, a la the NY days).
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Boldin has a boo-boo
Re-injured his ankle, apparently…and from what I’ve heard, it could be serious enough to keep him out next week…?
(Yes, I just replied to myself…and I liked it, even if it is considered a sin…)
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fractured shoulder blade.... ouch
but hey, i’ll take it, and if Boldin is out too… might be winnable
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans of the Chicago Bears got what we expected on Sunday: a complete dominance of a terrible team
starting to sound like Larry Mayer…. the scoreboard would indicate that we “dominated” but watching the game would indicate the game was really us floundering on many opportunities…and still letting the QB get sacked way too much… if this pace keeps up, he’ll be on IR, especially in the cold against Jared Allen
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No weekly prediction from the Gesia-nator
dissapointment has set in :(
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Ditka and I were talking about that on the Much Respect fan post. Very weird indeed.
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by smudgers on Nov 2, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should use Wolfe more or dual back sets since Wolfe has played well every game
by DaHamsta on Nov 2, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Wolfe has played well every game? Seriously? On what factor do you base that judgement on? He’s had a few good runs, but he’s seriously sucked a— back there on blitzes, even worse than Olsen at times. Maybe they’ll have to do a shotgun the whole game – I don’t care, I just don’t want to see Cutler get seriously injured. It’s a miracle that it hasn’t happened yet – he’s a tough guy back there, but you can’t expect him to continue to play chicken with 300 lb. lineman all the damn day.
by Waylon on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing
more of Garret Wolfe…as long as it’s not at the expense of Forte’s playing time.
Frankly, I don’t see the two as an either-or proposition (like a certain myopic offensive coordinator I shall not name).
I see Wolfe more as a scalpel, and not a broadsword…he should be used interspersed throughout the game, to help spread defenses out, not just for one series, in predictable fashion, regardless of down or distance or play—AND HE SHOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BE RUN THROUGH THE TACKLES ON A PREDICTABLE RUNNING DOWN.
Wolfe’s speed, with Knox’s speed, and Hester’s speed (in conjunction with Cutler’s mobility) , could be LETHAL in combination if they were to be used the right way….on occasional gadget plays, end arounds, roll-outs and options, quick slants and the like (see my comments above re: offensive play-calling)
Bears are not and cannot be a power running team anymore, not in any way, shape, or fashion—especially not with this sh1t-ast craptastic o-line.
It’s time we played to the strengths of our personnel: speed, mobility, elusiveness, shiftiness, and misdirection…once we do that to soften and spread out opposing defenses, we can let Forte make 1 cut and go through the open holes like he did last year…
by Amishbear on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dual back sets
would be an interesting thing so see with forte and wolfe. I could see a play action fake to forte, then a pass to wolfe, who goes into a screen for the pass.
by Nih1lus on Nov 3, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
on your Beekman rant
he played better than Omi, in his first game. He was actually moving his feet.
I’m good with Beeks.
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The offensive line is massively bad...
Therefore the very tired routine of ripping Ron Turner should stop. It’s retarded is what it is.
Orlando Pace should be cut yesterday. Retirement ceremony should be drawn up for Olin Kreutz. Frank Omiyale should be left at the airport. The Bears should ask for a refund on Chris Williams.
That leaves Roberto Garza as the only member of the o-line who you can’t point a finger at. And nobody, and I mean nobody, would ever mistake Garza as a Pro-Bowl caliber guard.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
except for the football outsiders
who grade Garza as one of the most consistent guards in the NFL, but what do they know
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just cause
he’s consistent doesnt mean he plays at a probowl level, just means he always plays the same.
we know that garza isn’t great, he isn’t bad either. He is mostly solid all around… consistently. ;)
by GtM on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the stats of his play don't lie
he plays in something like the top 15 percent of the league, thats all pro to me, even if the fans dont vote him into the pro bowl
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that be the case i'll give it to ya
but i still stand by my first sentence above!
that would make sense with him bein in the top 15 percent i guess. I can’t remember the last time i have cursed his name, so he cant be messin up much.
by GtM on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
i’m not saying hes HOF material, but he’s durable, strong, and not ever a liability, what more (from him) can you ask for
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do that.
Then YOU play tackle, I’ll take guard, Smudgers can be center and….. NOT blame Turner?? Turner can’t evaluate talent in the off season, during mini camps, training camp etc…. Turner has stated he likes what he has on O line. HELL YES the O-line sucks and any coordinator worth their paycheck should have seen that coming MONTHS AGO! “Hello, Mr. Angelo, this is Ron Tuner and I have some concerns…..”
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking a co-worker
to a shooting range in preparation of this.
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by smudgers on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking a man's jaw takes hard work.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to take a
10 lb. weight to the dome to prove that I’m a better center.
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by smudgers on Nov 3, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take Tommie Harris with you.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would,
but I think he’s actually practicing this week. Who’da thunk it?
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by smudgers on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never would've guessed it. Two weeks in a row really??
Really?
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