Nightlink: Bears O too complicated?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM CST
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Brad Biggs of the Sun-Times has a nice piece today about the problems with the Bears offense, more particularly the Red Zone offense. He starts off by talking about Ron Turner wanting to scale back the Bears offense. Seriously.
Offensive coordinator Ron Turner said he's ready to start paring back the playbook with the Bears clearly struggling seven games into the Jay Cutler era. At this point, following Sunday's 30-6 victory over the Cleveland Browns at Soldier Field, it's fair to say the Bears aren't doing much of anything very well with the possible exception that Cutler is doing a decent job of getting the ball to Devin Hester on a regular basis.
Speaking of Devin Hester, he is starting to put up some solid numbers as a WR, the following is from some Bears blog on Sporting News. :)
* Devin Hesterlooked good in the return game, and his 7 catches for 81 yards has him with 35 receptions on the year (tied with Anquan Boldin and T.J. Houshmandzadeh) for 10th in the NFC, and 454 yards, good for 9th best in the NFC. Still not #1 WR numbers, but it's a heck of a start.
Anyway back to the article from Biggs.
He sort of compliments Matt Forte, but points out a missed blitz pick up he had.
Matt Forte, who rushed for the two offensive touchdowns, showed some signs yesterday and looked good on a 28-yard reception to pick up the game's first first down. He got in some open space and took advantage of the room to run. But on the very next play Forte's assignment was to pick up blitzing linebacker Eric Barton and he completely whiffed.
Forte has been real good in his blitz pickups in his young career. Can anyone recall him missing like that in the past?
Turner talked about players executing afterward and he's right. Surely, his call accounted for Browns linebacker Kamerion Wimbleyon third-and-goal from the Cleveland three-yard line early in the second quarter. With an empty backfield after Forte motioned out wide to the left, Wimbley came free off the left side. Tight end Greg Olsen released into the flat and left tackle Orlando Pace blocked down on right end Robaire Smith. I'm not going to venture a guess as to whose responsibility Wimbley was, but when you leave him unblocked what happens is an 11-yard sack and no shot at the end zone.
I'll venture a guess. If Pace blocked down and the guy he blocked down on wasn't double teamed, that tells me Pace did his job. If Olsen released into the flat I'm guessing he should have at least chipped Wimbley allowing Cutler just enough time to read the rush from Wimbley and throw to a releasing Olsen.
Biggs goes on to add 10 more thoughts on the Bears, always a good read.
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Harris
Did anyone see how Tommie lost his first sack of the season? He basically came in on Anderson, only to tap him with his shoulder pads, and then failed to wrap him up. Derek went on to throw the ball away after scrambling away from the much maligned Harris.
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by propheteer on Nov 2, 2009 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah that was bad...
Derek Anderson is a big dude, and he does seem hard to sack, but there still wasn’t any excuse for that. Tommie didn’t actually play BADLY yesterday (he stopped Jamal Lewis a couple times), but he wasn’t any better than Anthony Adams, and that just won’t do for someone who should be a defensive force.
by Cosmis on Nov 2, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I saw the play
I immediately thought is was a result of all the ticky-tack roughing the passer penalties being called. Anderson had pumped faked right as he was hit, so I don’t completely blame Tommie for scaling back after feeling that. I don’t completely absolve him either.
by torch on Nov 2, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thought exactly the same thing
Tommie thought Anderson threw the ball.
by Ryan21 on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Love the username!
Are you a harvester of the sea?
by rdent4hof on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be for John the Fisherman...
I Don’t know what happened…
I like torch too… ;-)
by rdent4hof on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I think
they need to find a way to have performance modifiers in contracts, that state on a play like that, if you just lazily push him (cleary the sack could have been mande) the team management should be able to cut him, on the spot, and not have to pay him.
Tommie simply takes too many plays off, and practices. He is playing with that "nothing to prove attitude, and that won’t cut it.
Ask Jared Allen if he plays with nothing to prove… i’m sure his mountain of sacks answers that question nicely.
F-U Tommie, F-U real hard.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
scale back?
scale back a basic west coast offense? i’d venture to guess everybody on the offensive side of the ball has a firm grasp on ron turner’s offensive scheme. but this west coast offense, much like 100% of the other offenses, is predicated on giving the quarterback time to to let the play develop and receivers run their routes. how may offenses are succesful with the quarterback lying on his back while being faced-humped by a tackle or defensive end?
Yoyoma!
by john the fisherman on Nov 2, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto,
Scaling back the Bears offense is like taking nothing from nothing.
by Big Ike on Nov 2, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you scale back
this offense?
Maybe by not bringing them out for the game?
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FB Dive, and 4 Go routes
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
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by gaclaudy on Nov 2, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Turner mention that he is scaling back his Playbook I immediately thought Tecmo Football
by NiqueBears on Nov 3, 2009 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Turner's playbook
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
by junkhorse on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Smart Coaches
Don’t smart coaches develop a game plan AROUND their talent instead of forcing players into a scheme?
by stumpo on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or they try to teach the players they got into the style they want.
Coach Singletary is trying to do that with Alex Smith, instead of putting him in a spread offense. Sometimes coachs try to remake players, to little success.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
by gaclaudy on Nov 2, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think
Gruden rivals Madden for most obvious/stupid comments of the game?
“He leads the league in grit” (on QB Phillip RIvers)
“yeah, usually the unblocked rusher gets the tackle” (during opening drive of saints game)
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least he doesn't spotlight Nate Newton's ass sweat.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Falcons and Saints is like watching real football.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah tell me about it
Ok honest question:
With the exception of the O-line, what do the Saints have offensively the the Bears don’t? Because watching them score at the goal line with the toss to Bush makes me wonder why Turner can’t draw up something like that for Hester.
by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just shows you
how important the O-Line is to your game
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And having a coordinator
with a little imagination. By the way, before this game, Colston and Hester’s numbers were just about the same. I really feel like things aren’t as bad as they seem but that O-line needs to be fixed
by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
without a solid O-Line
our offense will continue to go nowhere, and with no running game in the cold in Chicago, and against the Vikings… the fat lady is warming up
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can call better plays to help, though
short slant routes, screens, hooks, plus let cutler bootleg…with the idea that the more of these plays get completed (and they should), the more the defense will have to drop into coverage, opening up some running lanes and maybe some deep balls. the line is bad, but turner’s not doing a good job to throw defenses off, which is making things much much worse.
by guy incognito on Nov 2, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching ATL run bootlegs last night made me sad. Cutler has legs and can get out of the danger zone, but not if it isn’t called from the huddle because he needs WRs to run routes for a bootleg.
by brands735 on Nov 3, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This just shows you how bad the Bears are.
what do the Saints have offensively the the Bears don’t?
Ok besides the offensive line?
1. 3 running backs with speed that can make you miss
2. Better leader/communicator at QB.
3. Better offensive coordinator with creativity
4. better receivers
5. Better starting TE
I could go on.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think if you..
switched the o-lines and ron turner and sean payton, you could switch that list to “what do the Bears have offensively that the Saints don’t”.
by GtM on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont necessarily agree
on the WR being better, at least not before a QB like Drew Brees is throwing to you.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure how much better the recievers are.
Seriously. There parts may be better but not by as much as you think. Shockey is a good tight end but not as great as everyone think he is. and really, who the hell is Lance Moore?
by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
undrafted
and Colston was an unheard of 7th rounder i think. the O-line is the difference, give Cutler a 4 second pocket, and we’d easily have a 1,000 yd receiver, maybe two.
it all hinges on the OLine, how creative can you be, when you have 1 second after the ball is snapped, which renders the run game inneffective as well
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes things more amazing is
even though Cutler is playing behind this terrible line, guess who’s projected to go for over 1,000 yards and 7tds? Devin Hester. I don’t think we’ve made enough of a deal out of the type of year he’s having. Plus he’s doing great on punt returns too.
by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes gonna break one this year
which will be great to get that monkey off his back.
I agree about him receiving though, and another thing, i think Earl Bennett is widely under rated, his hands are excellent
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and
After seeing Colston tonight, I think it’s time to get big receiver like DA on the field for Cutler. It might make the world of difference with a guy that can get up and get it.
by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone tells me one more time that the Saints don't have better
receivers than the Bears I’m going to loose it.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The aints DONT have better receivers than the Bears
and please dont throw statistics at me… the intangible difference between offensive lines and Quarterbacks the last couple years… is worlds apart
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but i'll tell you what the Saints do have
better Safeties… and a better football team
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agree
would love to see a 6"2’ and over WR line up
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Brees
picks up blitzes like nobodies business
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he an manning
are in another world on this. and brees’ accuracy is sick.
by guy incognito on Nov 2, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bears consistently push Cutler into 5-7 step drops, with patterns that take 5 seconds to develop – he will continue to get crushed. Trib speaks on this today – have to have a short passing game to help him out.
by poolboy55 on Nov 3, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we quit be so damned predictable?
Having watched the struggle on Sunday I want to know why this team can’t occasionally pass out of a run formation and vice versa? Other teams do it. Its not unheard of. Us? HELL NO! When we line up with only 2 wide we RUN! and if we go 3 wide or more WE PASS! Just hand the opponent the play book and get it over with!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also what happened to the Wildcat?
We used a direct snap to Hester once. If I remember right we got positive yardage on the play, so that should mean it should be at the top of the list…
I don’t think we need to use the wildcat exclusively like Miami, but as a change of pace play to keep the defense guessing, or on a 2nd and goal I think it would be pretty effective…
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We tried that against the Browns
and lost about five yards on the play. Ahh, good old Red Zone efficiency.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did you quit having an alias/screen name?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Today.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O.K. Interesting.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap I just noticed that. We can still call you Geaux Bears right????
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can call me anything you like sweetie.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You complete me...
I mean… Go Bears.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know right.
First he gets rid of his semi-famous tag, then he changes his name, what’s next? He becomes an Arkansas fan?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha. No.
More changes are imminent though… stay tuned. :)
Btw, the new sig was something Adam said, and I liked it enough to replace my old one.
Eventually though, the long one will go back.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because
now how are we to know if it happens in Madden, that it doesn’t mean it won’t happen in real life? I’m lost!!
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 3, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I reckon until then, if it happens on Madden, it can happen in real life.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that all along but wasn't sure.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious...
But until you change your sig back, I’m on both a water and a stretching strike.
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by smudgers on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about doing good in the world?
You give that up too?
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just kicked a puppy,
spit on the carpet and threw my recyclable paper in the garbage can. I cannot control myself with no guidance. Pandora’s box has been opened, it might be a good idea to take cover.
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by smudgers on Nov 4, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
thanks for the heads up. Now go steal an old ladies walker. Old people are so lazy.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Rules
So I was wondering the NFL ruling is on college players who quit the team. Are they considered free agents and available to sign?
I’m asking because of Mike Williams, the WR from Syracuse, who just decided to quit the team. I think he would make a nice addition to the practice squad and let him develop.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 3, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the rule is more centered around
how long they have been out of high school. They have to be 3 years removed from HS in order to be eligible for the NFL (see: Maurice Clarrett).
First, they have to hire an agent, then file for draft eligibility. Obviously, a player can’t have an agent while still in college.
Once a player files for the draft, they can become free agents if they are not selected. In Williams’ case, he wasn’t eligible for 2009’s draft, so he’ll have to wait until 2010.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
And that goes for players off the street as well, right? A while back, people were clamoring to see Usain Bolt in the NFL (ftw). If for some reason he wanted to, wouldn’t he also have to declare for the draft as well?
And same with collegiate players from other countries, right? It’s all about the draft.
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by smudgers on Nov 4, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are exceptions to the rules,
just like we saw with Larry Fitzgerald a few years ago (although his was more of a technicality). Players can always file for different exceptions to different rules, but generally, yes, it is all about the draft.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 4, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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