"Arc"
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 AM CST
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The point and the season are moot.... While I am not an expert on quarterback mechanics, the word stuck in my head after this loss that nobody has muttered is "arc":
In Jay's highlights from Denver and watching clips of deep passes around the league, it is obvious that arc is fundamental to the successful of deep pass plays. The potential TD passes Cutler "just missed on" had little to no arc. Due to pressure, Cutler was forced to lob his pass to Kellen Davis in the 3rd quarter and it was a TD. It is easy to understand Cutler's hesitance to put more air under the ball as it gives DBs more of a chance to make plays on the ball than his strong arm and laser passes usually allow. I think the main reason for this is a feeling (problem legitimate) that he needs to put the ball in the perfect spot on each throw. That can be translated another way to reflect the inability of our receivers to go up and make plays on the ball while in the air, forcing Jay to zip it in there. We have the QB for it and fast enough receivers to have an effective deep passing game. While Hester and Knox aren't likely to win fights for the ball in the air, with a little bit of arc on deep throws those 2 will get there.
There is little to salvage from this season other than developing chemistry on offense. Right now everybody knows the ball is going to Olsen in the crunchtime. Hopefully by season's end Cutler can feels comfortable with all his weapons. Personally I thought we would have at least attempted more deep pass plays during games so far, not only to stretch defenses, but also and now more importantly to get much needed in game experience/comfort.
Couple of things about a couple of things: That reverse play that the Eagles run every week with great success... um let's give Hester or Knox a try. Near the end, 3rd and short Eagles blitzed heavy on the right side, JC passed quick incompletion to Bennett, I thought Forte was open. I general I think maybe 1/3 of the run plays called on 1st down should have been screen plays. I'll like Khalil Bell more when he scores, but Knox was awesome on that long run play. Asante's block on Brown and Harris on his own TD play was impressive.
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good analysis
Good reading, good thoughts here.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good thoughts
Cutler is playing scared, he can’t get the same touch on his deep throws
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 23, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good post
to me cutler needs to let it go and play the way he played after the 4 pick game against pitsburgh i think hell be fine but those throws he doesnt miss on a regular basis something wasnt right wtih cutler tonight…….
by Bear Lovin 21 on Nov 23, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cutler needs to learn to set his feet
and throw with his body instead of just his arm. If he did, he’d have 3 TD’s on the night.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 23, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clear sign Cutler's confidence is shot
Even when he has time he too often is dancing around. He has been so beat up this year he seems to assume every time he drops back he is going to have to scramble around to get the ball off.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't blame him too much
After getting mobbed, thrown down, hit and belly flopped on by 300 lb. guys all year, think I would be a little gunshy too. He has been sacked what 20 times this year, who knows how many hits and knock downs? Throw in the picks and the world being put on his shoulders in his first year, got to be tough.
Best thing to do would be get him a good QB coach to work on mechanics, confidence, someone he can trust, then please dear Santa get him a new OC.
by TheMan1 on Nov 23, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
QBs need to be able to stand in the pocket and take hits in the NFL
I’m in no way an apologist for the OLine, they need to do a better job of protection. But Jay was not standing tall and strong in the pocket and hurriedly getting the ball out when he still had time left. I in no way want him to get hurt and I am worried about the lines ability to protect him, but a scared QB is worthless in this league.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can blame him
The missed throw to Hester should never, ever be incomplete. It’s one of the easiest passes to make for a NFL QB….wide open! No ARC was needed on the pass, just accuracy.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I put little blame on Cutler
As for the best thing to get Cutler, he needs a new O-line as much as he needs a new OC.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 28, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true, but that has always been his MO
I don’t know if is a matter of “learning” to set his feet or an unwillingness to do so.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is NOT the problem here...
and we can all stop worrying about his confidence. We can also stop comparing him to Rex. The ONLY thing they have in common is that they played QB for the Chicago Bears. Cutler made some bad throws last night and will make bad throws in the future. But think about the issues here. Would Kyle have been better in this situation? Of course not! He could barely make a 15 yard throw when the Bears o-line was average and Forte was running well. Yes, Cutler has some development to undergo, but the current coaches are not doing anything to help him with his mechanics. The problems on this Bears team are plentiful and extend to management and ownership, but really, can we all stop belaboring the Cutler confidence poll. He is, by far, the best QB the Bears have had in ANY of our lifetimes. Why don’t the Bears start by fixing the other positions on the roster and coaching staff that suck. Then, if Cutler performs badly, we can all hem and haw about “the trade”. To date, it is one of scant few personnel moves that JA has got right.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
by LostInSTL on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed your avatar
Is that Randy Rhoads?
by McRipper on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's David St Hubbins (a.k.a. Michael McKean) from "This is Spinal Tap"...
but very Rhoadesque nonetheless. I used to have a great quote from that movie as a signature line, “There’s a fine line between stupid, and clever.”
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
by LostInSTL on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree with most of what you say...
I’m not sure if u are responding to me after misreading of my post as an indictment of Jay or just venting. I’m not blaming the lack of arc Cutler has been putting on his deep passes for the bad season, nor am I worried about his confidence or comparing him to rex. Cutler has confidence, no doubt. I will say that he does not appear to be comfortable enough with his weapons yet to make instinctual plays, I believe that will come with chemistry and experience.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all, No It All...
It’s more of a generic rant about the whole Cutler debate. I simply think there are many other problems on this team and, like you say, his struggles are more obvious than others. Many of the posters (not yourself) since last night keep talking about Cutler’s problems and I was hoping to move the discussion away from Cutler and, again like you, toward the underlying causes of his poor throws over the past few weeks. My solution is wholesale change in coaches. Lovie is just not getting it done, but I think Lovie’s mistakes are in who he chose as his position coaches. They are all bad to a person. Thus, Lovie’s judgment has to be call into question. JA could get a pink slip as far as I am concerned as well.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
by LostInSTL on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Word
I think Ted Phillips needs to be looked at much more. He is in fact accountable for Jerry Angelo’s reign. Personally I think Lovie is a good coach handcuffed by meddling and incompetent management. I knew rex wasn’t as good as Kyle, no way Lovie didn’t, yet he regurgitated the company line and rex played because Angelo insisted on it. Cost us a Super Bowl IMHO. I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors. In fact I don’t know if anything goes on. While i appreciate i don’t know the dynamic between coach and management I no longer trust Lovie to be forthright and upfront about what is going on. That alone is very disconcerting.
While getting Cutler was great regardless of the cost, out of curiosity what did Lovie think? The fact that he and the front office are not on the same page is illustrated by the trade for Gaines Adams. Haugh says it destroyed chemistry, maybe but that is hypothetical. I do know that we needed to get a starter for a a 2nd rounder and we didn’t. To me this means that regardless of his success, his positive impact on the team and Lovie’s adoration ’Wale is gone at the end of this season because they do not want to pay him. That sucks because it signals that the mindset of this organization is not football oriented, but the micromanagement and cost/benefit analysis of a $1Billion organization.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pennywise and "dollar" foolish...
In the end, who really loses out? US!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
by LostInSTL on Nov 23, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but fan disappointment is small when compared to the toll it takes on the players.
Knowing that management is like minded, competent and vigilant must be such motivation for young men being asked to risk so much for a win. Nothing can kill morale more than the realization that management’s focus is on something other than winning football games. I think organizations like New England have success because football is at the heart of every decision from the top-down.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point...
I feel badly for the players on the cusp that don’t get a second chance with another team because they are buried with the bad personnel decisions left in the Bear’s wake!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
by LostInSTL on Nov 23, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The myth of Brandon McGowan must taunt them with the hope of escape.
by No It All on Nov 23, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but mcgowan was just injured all the time. letting him go was the right thing at the time.
by Nih1lus on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trainer issue or just bad luck?
We’ve seen a lot of players go elsewhere only to be healthier.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF !??
Isn’t that so obvious ? Isn’t that a really long-winded way of saying he overthrew them ? Jebus. That’s like describing a missed field goal as "If the ball had gone BETWEEN the posts instead of to the left … ti would have been a field goal. Great post.
by Irish Bears Fan on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"just missed" "overthrew"
Those phrases do not address why or how and are frankly kind of insulting. As if everything is fine and above reproach. If you couldn’t tell I think there is more to it than Jay simply missing on those throws.
by No It All on Nov 24, 2009 6:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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