Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Eagles Edition
by Dane Noble on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 AM CST
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Seeing talented players stuck on an untalented football team can be disheartening, and I'm starting to feel sorry for some of ours. For every playmaker the Chicago Bears have, there seem to be three bozos who can't do their job.
And even when we see some things go right for our football team, at the end of the day, we are who we found out we were back at the beginning of the season: not very good.
- Lump Al Afalava, Danieal Manning, Corey Graham, and Charles Tillman all into the same category: Players Who Will Either Make Big Plays, Or Get Burned.
- On the Michael Vick run on 3rd and 1 early in the game, all three Chicago linebackers blitzed, all into different holes. Vick's one second hesitation was enough for him to see which hole to run into.
- From the More Things That Fall On the Head Coach's Shoulders department: Getting off the field on 3rd down, and Penalties.
- The offensive line will have to be retooled for next year, or we may see Jay Cutler standing outside Halas Hall with a picket sign in his hands.
- We saw a 4 WR set on the Bears first drive, but Matt Forte was given the ball on a sweep.
- Cutler missed 3 TDs throws last night... all on overthrows. What's up with that?
- Adewale Ogunleye is very strong... has the potential to be a very good defensive end.
- On the Eagles first TD, Lance Briggs blitzed, and the Eagles ran a RB screen to his side. Yes, the blitz was shown early.
- Kahlil Bell... got pretty lucky on his first ever NFL carry. The Eagles happened to be blitzing in every hole of the OL, except the gap Bell was headed. Good to see the young man start his career that way.
- On the previous play, Bell actually motioned out of the backfield, and ended up split wide right. Cutler looked for him on a pass, but it was incomplete.
- For all of the criticism I have heaped up on Charles Tillman, he had a good game last night.
- Every week, penalties. So, why should this week be different? Come on Lovie Smith...
- The only thing Josh Beekman can consistently do well is pulling out to the right as a lead blocker on trap plays.
- I like Lance Briggs, and am thankful he is a part of our football team.
- When an offense hits the field for the final time, and needs to drive down the field in order to come from behind, a false start penalty is not a good first play. (Yes, Orlando Pace, I'm talking about you sir.)
- Donovan McNabb pulling Cutler to the side after the game for a pep talk: Priceless.
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is it just me, or does anyone see any value in Gaines Adams?
I just don’t see where a good 2nd round pick wouldn’t give us as much, if not more, than this stiff.
How much does he weigh?
I swear the other day in the Cards game i saw him on a couple plays and he looked like a WR. I mean he was just so boney. How is someone like that going to get to the QB, please tell me.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Undersized, speedy edge rusher. Perfect for the Lovie-2. Will probably be useless against a big OL, going by recent results from the same template.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Its bad luck for us that we don't have a Dwight Freeney of our own
Lovie has been looking for a Freeney his entire time here. He wants an edge rusher like that so bad he made himself believe that Mark Anderson was Freeney and not just a good situational rusher. If we had a Freeney on our team, who knows how well the Cover-2 would’ve worked for us. I mean, Brown is a heck of a DE and does a little bit of everything good, but he’s no speed rusher. Wale was supposed to fit the bill, but hasn’t been as good as his breakout year in Miami before coming here.
He's just bad...
and certainly not worth second round status; unless you take into account that the Bears drafted Dan Bazuin(sp.) in the second round. I guess it’s all relative in the NFL.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
my notes:
the bears have finally molded cutler into orton.
mully on cutler this AM: “they have ruined him.”
That's just Grossman's Pappy complaining about how his son was treated...
and the talking heads just throwing up the same line.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
That's a slap in the face to Orton.
More like turned him into Grossman. At least Kyle limited his mistakes.
Ever stop to think
that maybe they turned Grossman into something worse than he would’ve been as well? I mean Cutler reminds me of Grossman after the Arizona game, unsure of himself and lacking confidence. It’s up to the coaches to get Cutler back to form. He wasn’t like this when he first got here and maybe Grossman wasn’t either.
Don't wanna rip open the old rex wound, but I agree.
There were 2 Rex’s and they weren’t named Bad and Good. They were Pre-AZ game and Post-AZ game. One had confidence, the other looked timid and scared all the time.
Cutler isn’t that way at all. His confidence isn’t shaken. He still looks in command in the huddle and in the backfield. He just had a few bad throws. Honestly, the Olsen one wasn’t bad. Olsen should’ve had it. The throw to knox was atrocious though. The Hester throw was equal parts Hester turning the wrong way and Cutler overthrowing. Hester would’ve had it if he had turned the other way.
I don't agree
The pass to Hester was horrible and uncatchable. Maybe, just maybe a taller WR might have been able to nab that pass. It landed like two yards out of bounds.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
The Knox pass was just bad...
but the Olsen drop should have been a TD. The Hester one is equal parts Hester giving up on the route and Cutler trying NOT to throw a RZ pick. However, ALL of the receivers need to simply step up and make a play. For every “bad” throw, there is an equally “bad” effort to catch the football. Cutler does make bad throws, but he is also not getting any support from that o-line or his WRs. Hell, Forte has also given up. Put in Bell on 1st and 2nd down and bring in Forte for 3rd down and other non-running formations and the RB tandem I have been screaming for since week 1 is set!!!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
I thought the O-line
put in one of their better efforts of the season last night. Cutler had the most time I’ve seen this year.
As far as Hester goes, he would’ve needed a step-ladder to make that catch. Cutler didn’t put enough touch on the ball; all he had to do was throw it to the flag instead of the 1st pylon.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
olsen
Just a snapshot view of one play, that first half “overthrow” by Cutler to Olsen – Olsen could have caught that ball, it was at his fingertips and he didn’t even make the effort to dive for it. We’ve all seen diving catches like that every weekend this season and a hyped TE like Olsen can’t even extend a little to make the effort? What is that??
I know, just one play in the game that “overthrow” miss was not entirely Cutler’s fault.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
agreed..
why is there no effort to dive for the overthrow? it looked more like cutler is tired of getting picked, so the receivers should expect a slight overthrow to keep it out of the defenders hands.
Maybe
Normally I think that if the ball hits your hands, it’s up to you to catch it but I don’t think he had much of a chance to throw himself at that ball, after looking at it again.
by Gone Savage on Nov 23, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Shit Storm
This is what happens when you mix a gun-slinger QB, terrible offensive line, inexperienced WRs, ZERO running game, and worthless coaching!!! A Shit Storm of Epic proportions!!!
How terrible is Hunter Hillenmyer? He should have made the tackle on McCoy on his TD run but instead he runs right into the blocker!! Completely took himself out of the play!!! This whole team sucks with the exception of Briggs.
shit storm is the best way to describe this team
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
talk about gap-control failure.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Cutler's problems last night.
Do you think he was overthrowing the ball because the coaches told him “Put the ball where either your guy gets it or noone gets it” ???
I think Cutler's problem was
that 75% of his throws were coming from his back leg and and angled up. I think he knew he was throwing this lollipops so he added an extra umph and that is how he got the over-throws, IMHO.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Yeah, i noticed the back leg thing, too.
The funny thing is, he usually puts those back leg throws on the money. For difficult angled throws like that, I’d prefer he step into them in more of a textbook motion, though.
I said that within the 1st 3 weeks and even wrote chalk talk about it...
but they didn’t use my question :( … It’s bad mechanics.. if his arm is really that strong, imagine it with set feet!!! But what I’ve seen is, if it’s not his back foot.. it’s a HOPPING JUMP-THROW.. sure some of them turned out fine.. but more often than not.. it’s BAD!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Nov 24, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions
Cutler still needs a mentor
I know he made a Pro Bowl but he’s still young and learning the NFL game. He still needs someone to coach him, point out when he’s making fundamental mistakes, someone you can respect. But we only have Hamilton. :( Still hoping for at the very least a new OL and QB coach this offseason. Hopefully a package deal with a new OC. /crossfingers
A'int that the truth?
I’m just not sure McNabb is the guy for the job. WTF was up with that conference between them at the end. I have nothing against good sportsmanship but, say the obligatory “good game” and get back to the locker room with YOUR teammates and try to figure out a way to “Salvage” the remainder of the season.
McNabb knows what it's like
to get sh!t on even when it’s not his fault. Wisdom to pass on …
by torch on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree.
There’s also nothing wrong with having a few words with another QB that is talented and has taken a lot of undue flak over his career (and should’ve been a bear).
But most likely, he was making plans for what bar to hit up in the Chi.
I'm all for it
At this point it can only help his fragile ego recover from the abuse he’s received. McNabb has always been a class-act, and seemed genuine in his concern for Jay. He probably just told him to keep quiet, don’t throw your teammates/coaches under the bus, and take the blame. “Things will only get better kid.”
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
What can be said...
About this team that hasn’t been said already? Maybe Dennis Green knew something we didn’t know. He’s probably somewhere saying, “I told you, I told you. They are who we, well you know.” This team is a disaster from top to bottom. The thing about disasters is, You just don’t know where to begin with the clean-up.
And we all know who Dennis Green was ...
A guy who made a lot of promises he couldn’t deliver on.
He talked a great game, but that was about it.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Tough loss... but at least they made it interesting.
The things that bother me the most:
1. The defense seems to only play well when they are inspired by the offense. This is a constant on the year. They can look like total crap for a quarter, and then if the offense gets in the endzone, the defense responds by looking like a top 5 unit.
2. Cutler has GOT to stop locking onto his primary target and go through his progressions. There are way, way too many times when he throws to Olsen in a crowd of defenders… someone else had got to be open… find them.
3. Cutler had GOT to audible out of that crappy bubble screen pass, when the D is playing press coverage.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Yep
teams are just daring him to throw to Olsen in a crowd. It’s never good to throw into triple-coverage.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Good points
Yeah, he is locking onto his target way too much. I wonder if it’s because he doesn’t trust the other guys?
I wish he would take off and get 5 yds from a scramble more often. He seems to try to fit it in btwn 3 defenders when there are no options left, but at that point, he’s stepped past some defenders and should just get a few yards… oh wait, by then we’ve had a holding or a false start called and we need 10 yds, not 4-5.
You sound a lot like Collinsworth
Cutler missed 3 TDs throws last night… all on overthrows
Seriously? It’s not an overthrow when Olsen short-armed the pass, and the ball hit both of his hands in the process.
I saw Beekman run block two defenders on the same play, but that’s the only one he stuck out cause NBC reviewed it.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
+1...
I am becoming less happy with Olsen’s play every week. People say that he shouldn’t have to lay out for a pass. What the hell is that all about. He is a receiver and you don’t hear people say Whitten, Gonzales, or Gates "shouldn’t " have to catch because they simply do it and don’t make excuses. I think Hester and Olsen could be decent trade bait for next year. They may still be good, perhaps great, but without an o-line and an established #1WR, their talents are wasted on this team anyway. Get some linemen in trade and then talk about running to open up the pass for Knox, Bennett, DA, etc.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
If you look at the replay
it’s painfully obvious Olsen didn’t need to dive or lunge to catch the ball. His arms being “bent” tells the whole story of him not extending them to easily haul in that pass.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Is it just me...
The Avant touchdown should have been called back. Jason Peter (71) threw a chop block on Roach. Right? Go to 35 second on the video.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009112213/2009/REG11/eagles@bears#tab:watch
Peter’s was called for "tripping’ on Brown later in the game. That dude is going to end someone’s career by pulling that shit.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions
that tripping was actually leg whipping
and should have been a 15 yard personal foul.
IMO.
I didn't see it on the film
Looked to me like he just made a cut block when Roach wasn’t engaged with any other Eagle.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Cutler seemed like Rex again
He seemed like Grossman did the game after Rexy would have a bad game; no confidence, being over cautious and making overthrows to ensure no-picks. As much as Jay had a bad night last night, this team’s woes still land squarely with the coaching staff and management.
As for Khalil Bell, I thought his first run was a good portion his own skill and not just dumb luck. Yeah, the hole opened up, but he made a nice stutter step and hit the hole running.
Disagree.
If Jay had lost confidence in himself, he wouldn’t throw into triple coverage like he does too often.
He may have lost confidence in his RECIEVERS though. That’s why he overthrows them. He’s probly thinking “well, either they’re going to get it, or no one else will.”
Roach and HH are well below average LB, neither strong or fast, or instinctive. Can not read a play at all.
Cutler missed 3 touchdowns (yes he did, Olsen shouldn’t have to dive and do a Willy Mays when he’s completely uncovered) because of bad mechanics, throwing off his back foot does not help you complete a pass, esp. when there was no pressure on all 3 plays.
He also could have ran for TD on 3rd down, when he almost got picked on the pass to Olsen, who was once again surrounded by defenders.
The Hester WR experiment has to end
Seriously, what does he bring to the table, unless you want to include that picture up there?
I think we’ve got to use at least 4 of the draft picks on the offensive line; punt the defense for next season – 2010 looks like a lost year competiing-wise, but Cutler’s young, he can certainly be worth something if he doesn’t have to throw on every down.
Also, Jerry Angelo has to be fired so those draft picks aren’t wasted on guys who get beat out by 6th rounders, but you knew that already.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
He brings speed and open field danger. Which Ron Turner and the Bears don’t know how to utilize. Crossing routes, motion, out of the backfield against LBs, deep outs, deep digs, etc. etc.
Speed is how he can get separation...
but Hester is not and never will be a #1 receiver. He is a great slot type-burner and can get some yards on the end around if the Bears could run block at all. The problem is that Knox and Hester are effectively the same player. However, Knox has been a WR since college and shows promise. Hester is not bad, but he is not a go-to WR. Hester is a “dynamic playmaker” in small doses. Knox and DA need more action on the same side with Bennett as the split end on the other side.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
agreed, hester can not continue as a WR
Who knows, maybe if he was still only doing special teams, he might have a kickoff or punt returned for a TD this year
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Then what?
With Knox in the mix now Hester is definately expendable as a receiver. He may turn out to be an adequate #2 at best. But it just seems like there has to be more to Devin than kick returns.
Oh wait,
Here’s a radical idea. We’re weak in the secondary. Hester was a corner in college. Throw him out there and see if it sticks.
seems more like bears psychology to me
if something is broke, why fix it????
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Jay usually has help at denver.
Have a WR who will go up for the pass.WE HAVE NOBODY TO DO THAT!!You dont have to be a #1 WR to make an effort.Its like they expect EVERY pass to be a perfect one even with the worst o line in history.They just STAND AND WAIT,never ATTACK the F%^$%$&% BALL!At least knock down the ball to prevent an INT.Its like they REFUSE to go up for the ball.Part of it is on Jay.But he is right about Hester that he won’t go up for the ball he would wait for it ALL THE TIME!
Also did anyone see that vid when they shown what he did at Denver?
Back there they made him Rollout, move him OUTSIDE the pocket where he is MORE effective.Our QB Coach and Turner SUCK!!Bring in Shanahan or Holmgren to Coach up Jay he is still young.I rather have Gruden or maybe Billick though even Cowher.
At this point, I don't care about Brandon Marshall's baggage...
Bring him in next year. I watched the Denver game this week. It was like watching a completely different type of reciever than we have. Even when one end zone pass was going to get intercepted, Marshall was in complete control of the situation. He calmly stripped the ball away from the defender. Of course he promptly yelled at Orton for throwing the ball wrong, but at least the guy knows what he is doing.
On another reception, he completely laid out for the ball like I haven’t seen a Bear do in awhile. Anyone else here watch other games and judge everyone playing on how they would be on the Bears?
Jay Is Damaged Goods And You Would Be Too
Jay cutler is shot, he’s scarred to death to put the ball in tight spots, his confidence is shaken, and you would be too, jay plays a certain way and when you take it away your left with what you saw last night, it seems we’ll have to live by the sword or die by the sword, take the gun slinger mentality from jay and he’s just not gona make the plays he’s capable of. He is what he is.
Sucks too say but Jay cutler needs to shake it off and play his game, take the good with the bad and be who we thought you were. A big play maker with the abilaty to throw an interception as quick as a simple hitch.
I say we all start cheering for the Lions the rest of the season.
If we finish last in the division they will have to clean house.
thats a thought
but i know how this team works….now that they are comfortably out of the playoff picture, they will start to improve and win some games in dramtic fashion, and end the season leaving all of us die-hards going “hmm, well they ended the season strong, we will be better next year” and then we will be doing this all over again come Nov 2010, like a bad version of groundhog day!
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't think we'll
win more than two more games. I think what makes me the maddest about this team is the lack of heart. The only ones i see it in is Brown, Briggs, Tillman, and Cutler(even though i think he is losing his). We really need to clean house on the coaching side so we can save the talent that we have left.
Absolutely right
And i’ve mentioned that here before, that most of this team shows no heart, no fight and no ability to get back into a game through sheer will power and determination. But the response I got was “heart has nothing to do with talent, blah blah blah…” so Im on the same boat as you with that, others think differently
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Talent is nothing without the heart to use it.
That’s why I like Alex Brown he might not be the best in the league but he doesn’t quit.
Only other 2 wins they get this season...
but a loss to STL would be the end of Lovie, so if that’s what it takes, I’ll root for that scenario! This season is lost anyway. Time to evaluate the talent and get on with the draft prep and upcoming coaching search!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Did anyone notice...
that as soon as Collinsworth noted that Turner never calls roll outs for Cutler that Cutler then proceeded to roll out twice on the next 2 plays; almost as if on cue? And as soon as it was clear that was working well, Turner immediately put a stop to it! Just like how Bell stopped getting carries as soon as he was showing signs of life that the Bears have not seen since Forte of ’08?
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Hey stop that.
We dont do things that work around here.
Disagree with a few comments
- Ogunelye has potential? —> he peaked about 6 years ago, and is clearly on the backend of his career. He’s OK, but he’s not the future. I hope we don’t resign him (especially since we already traded for G. Adams to replace him).
- Bell got lucky —> maybe, but he appeared to have much better vision than Forte. Unlike Forte, Bell was bouncing to the outside when the hole wasn’t there (vs. Forte repeatedly running into the back of a 10 man pile-up).
- Beekman not consistent? —> he’s looking like the best o-lineman that we’ve got.
by MakeHalasProud on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions
+1...
I do not get the Beekman hate at all. He was making most of the blocks he was required to. Kreutz was horrible; and maybe people are just confused about the positions they play!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Agreed
Beekman has played pretty well so far. I’d like to see him gain 25 pounds though. He’s a little undersized.
Kreutz needs to go. His effort of a block on Cole when he just jumped over him was about the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen on a football field.
Hey now...
that’s too much agreeing with my agreeing with what others have already agreed to. Pretty soon we’ll have a consensus.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Beekman looked like the best o-lineman out there, sadly
But I’m still distrustful of any BC guy, you know how it is.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
How about some love on here
how bout that number 58 guy, shaw, with the two huge hits on kick returns?? He actually made the crowd cheer the loudest Ive heard them all game, and I like his fire and passion, flexing for the fans and showing some motivation..Hadnt seen that on a special teams in long, long time.
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions
He wont be back next year.
Lovie and JA wont let to many players with fire and passion stay on this team. Thats not what we’re about.
its funny, i always get that same feeling
soon as we have a glimmer of a star on the squad, somehow they are either traded, or let go, thats why im hoping that doesnt happen to khalil bell, he showed some real promise last night, even though it was only one big run.
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Follow the money
Rather trade a guy before you pay him an asston of money. Also known as the Pittsburgh Pirates Model to Running a Team.
It wasn't just one run though...
every time he got the ball he ran hard and did what Forte doesn’t do; get yards after contact. Bell and Forte are a great young tandem to build on and I hope now the Bears can concentrate on upgrading the o-line and getting a legit #1WR. I see Olsen as good trade bait for the Bears.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Like I said earlier...
I was watching a game other than the Bears, it was Washington last week. And Ladell Betts was running HARD. He’d hit the hole with a full head of steam. He doesn’t really have any vision, but he was making at least 3 – 6 yards every carry. Instantly I thought of Happy Feet Forte. I wish he’d do the same. Hit a hole HARD for once, then try and make someone miss or use some vision in the second level after you get through the line…
Yes Shaw!
We need a few more guys like him!
Perhaps we’ve finally found our Abanayajo replacement (yes, I know I misspelled his name)!?
by MakeHalasProud on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Cutler
Cutler was garbage last night!! It was all physical though. He made the right reads on most of the plays but his arm failed him last night. That’s easily correctable. Oh wait, we have the worst coaching staff in the history of football. It’s not going to be correctable. I think it’s starting to become abundantly clear that the statements around the league regarding Chicago is the place where WRs go to die and QBs suck ass is 100% accurate.
How does this WR combo look for next year.
Sign Marshall for #1 DA #2 bennett/hester #3. As far as HB is concerned I hope we can see more of Bell next week.
but i know what JA and Lovie will say
we look at all the FA out there. We will pick up the best player that will help us win. I lost faith in Lovie when he said trust him after they got rid of Ron Rivera.
Best case scenario
Either Marshall or V. Jackson. Problem is it won’t happen. Both of those guys are going to be franchised or resigned. If not, they will be a lot more than that ridiculous Berrian contract and the Bears won’t sign them anyway.
The Bears are looking at a very expensive off season. They have too many holes and not enough draft picks. If the Bears sign Marshall/V. Jackson, put about $30 million into the line, move Tillman to FS, and fire Lovie and staff, I will renew my faith in them.
Yeah instead we'll
sign players past their prime. Maybe we can get Jerry Rice.
I think Jerry Rice
could be a hell of a WR coach. Show players how to work for their money.
but
it could happen. the bears have way too much money and i think that since angelo and lovie’s asses are on the line, angelo will at least bring in some good player and since jay seems to have a little influence on the receiving corps, we may make a push for marshall. he is definitely not happy, the broncos are imploding, he threw moreno under the bus yesterday and mcdaniels is just an idiot douche. not only that but boldin is on his way out of arizona and the bears should make a play. i think something good will happen along those lines. not only that but jamaal brown and jahri evans are going to be free agents. the bears will hopefully at least attempt to go after them. but even if by some stroke of luck we get one of these guys, it won’t matter if turner and pep hamilton are still around. as far as vjax, we will not get him. rivers has found his number 1 receiver so there is no way the chargers let him walk
by frenchbears113 on Nov 23, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
signing marshall is a wise move, something bear management knows nothing about
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO
we choose the best player availble that will help the team win. I really want a coach that doesn’t blow smoke.
yeah
but any money angelo is feeling the heat and he knows his job is on the line he just chooses to act otherwise. but i think he pulls a desperation move… like lathering marshall or bolding or maybe both in cash.
by frenchbears113 on Nov 23, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Soon as the owners
realize they would make alot more money with more Super Bowl rings we might get some where.
they should at least
Make hester a 3/4 guy and start the guy that Jay wants to be the starter.DA is a big body WR that freakin DIVES and shows effort.But since the bears dont know the meaning of the word “adjust” or “smart” or “help your QB” that wont happen.
You forgot
they dont the meaning of effort either.
Yep
Only guys i seen effort from.Tillman.A Brown.Briggs,Jay too but he is stuck in quicksand.He tries to do too much.
I think the biggest problem is
They got rid of Mike Brown which was the heart and fire of the Defense(team). And losing Mr. Lacker who was the blood flow= 2009 bears shell of what they were.
I understand getting rid of brown at the time
But he should mentor Al Afalava.Brown gets hurt too much though.but having him would help.
I'd throw Knox in that list as well.
Despite some rookie mistakes, the kid always looks like he’s hustling and trying.
OK, crazy idea
what if the bears bring in a QB “consultant” to work with cutler in the offseason. mechanics and stuff like that. maybe offer dan fouts 500K or something. desperate times require desperate measures.
Maybe I'm a moron but ...
It’s not like we have Henry Burris back under center.
It’s not like we have the Wannstache or the reanimated corpse of Dick Jauron standing on the sidelines.
It’s been a hell of a lot worse than this. A lot.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions
No, your right, it's been worse
problem is, expectations have rarely been this high, especially for the QB position. With such high expectations come even lower lows like these. Yes the Kordell Stewart game against SF was horrible, but the Cutler game against SF was just embarassing. It’s a different kind of hurt I guess.
We act as if ...
We’re in for 1,000 years of darkness. We’re not.
I live in Vikings County, and a lot of Queens fans I know are waiting for the other shoe to fall. How would you like to be a fan of that team? Knowing, just knowing, that sooner or later something terrible is going to happen?
It will be OK. I promise.
Last night I went to sleep convinced that better days are ahead. We’re not a playoff team this year. Perhaps we never were. But in the NFL, this year’s 6 or 7 win team is next year’s champ.
P.S. Actually, I went to sleep trying to scrub the image of Hester’s nekkid backside out of my brain.
Woo!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's going to be awhile before things are "ok"
I’d say that Vikings fans might lament their team’s woeful ability to get it done in the playoffs, but at least they can put faith in their management or the young players on their team to pick the up if things fall through. Bears fans are at a bitter place now, Cutler was (don’t care what anyone says) supposed to be the savior. I’m not saying it was by his choice to be such, but he understood the magnitude of taking on the position he did here, and so far, we can only say he’s got serious decision making issues with flashes of physical brilliance. This combined with a staff whom we aren’t happy with, but we can’t be sure is even going to lose it’s job following this mess, and the total lack of draft picks when we sorely need them makes this a dire situation. Things will be ok, you are right, but not for a few years now.
Queens fans have very little ...
faith in their management. They’re terrified that the team is going to pull a middle-of-the-night move to Los Angeles (or Las Vegas, Vancouver, Tiajuana or wherever). Childress just got a fat pay bump because he got Favre to come out of retirement for the 37th time. The pucker factor in Viking Nation is off the charts.
Read these comments. We got guys quitting on Forte after a season and a half. We got guys quitting on Cutler after 10 games. We got guys who are a lot more interested in being the fan of a winner than being the fan of a team. Bandwagon jumpers should follow the Colts and Patriots, those teams will let anybody hop on.
4-6 sucks, I’ll grant that, but it’s time to cowboy up. Cutler is not going anywhere. Lovie is not going anywhere. Angelo is not going anywhere. The McCaskey Family is not going anywhere.
If some Bears “fans” can’t handle that, then it’s time for them to get a new hobby.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 23, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
If some Bears "fans" can’t handle that, then it’s time for them to get a new hobby.
I couldn’t agree more. If I was a rival fan coming here to stir up trouble, I’d take one look at the comments here and give up. Nothing I could say could be as moronic as some of the garbage offered up by so-called Bears fans.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
I live in Vikings County …. How would you like to be a fan of that team?
Wash your mouth out with soap!
P.S. Actually, I went to sleep trying to scrub the image of Hester’s nekkid backside out of my brain.
Hahahaha, I missed it, then someone posted it here. I’m afraid to close my eyes now.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
top to bottom
the talent on this team is horrible. no draft picks next year. lovie likely to return. it’s pretty bad.
I want so bad to be a Cutler apologist but...
it’s getting harder with each Monday morning. I hear everyone saying thats it’s the fault of the staff or the players around him, and obviously I’m willing to give that a chance, but with that comes the stark realization that pending changes to either or both of those elements, if Cutler plays the same way, he’s a bust and there are no more apologies to be made for him.
by BBANGUS on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is it just me or
do the Bears seem alot slower and weaker than other teams? Our team always seems winded really early in games.
No, they are!!
They are not slower but they are definitely smaller and weaker.
To me, especially the passing game, the Bears seem to play on a field half the size while good passing teams(Colts, Pats, Chargers, etc) seem to play on a field twice the size. Does this make any sense to anyone?
Kinda
you mean they run smart plays? They know what their players can and can’t do?
Sort of
It’s almost like when the Bears pass the ball, everything looks so cluttered and there’s no YAC ability. With other teams, like the Colts, Pats, Cards, Chargers, the field looks humongous and their WRs catch the ball and run with it. It’s probably because those other teams actually have time to throw and they throw to actual WRs, not converted CBs and lifesize pieces of feces!!
I understand why everyone is upset over the loss...
… I am too! But, I feel like everyone thinks it’s the end of the world. A lot of people knew this would be a ‘gelling’ season, and that’s exactly what it is. Everyone is getting used to how well (or how poorly) everyone else plays on their team. We have new faces, including our quarterback, and the players need to get used to them.
There were a lot of stupid mistakes this game – WAY too many penalties, for one. But personally, I think we were playing a little better overall than we have been. Cutler moved around, and he was only sacked once, which is a lot better than what we’re used to seeing. I think slowly but surely we’ll keep improving and eventually be a force to reckon with… just not this year.
It’s not the end of the world that we lost. A disappointment? Yes. Will we lose more games? Probably. Will we win more games? YES! We have to remember that. We’re going to win again, it’s not like this ‘streak’ will last forever…
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
We wont be a force until angelo and turner is gone.
I give lovie 1 more year though.The D is playing better.until the 4th quarter
Yeah...
I don’t know how I feel about Angelo and Turner. I don’t think I know enough about them & their job descriptions to make a judgment. But I do like Lovie. We need to fix this 4th quarter momentum (or lack thereof) deal though.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Amen
No one’s patient enough for this “next year” concept though… Except us Cub fans. As bad as that hurts to say.
Lol
I’m not really a baseball fan, but would have to choose the Cubs if forced to pick. Maybe GG (who is definitely a Cubs fan) is rubbing off on me. Lol
I just think a little patience could go a long way for Bears fans…
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
hahahaha, a force to be reckoned with...im sorry, that just made my day though, huge laugh
Let’s be honest here, we do have some guys who can be turned into stars (Knox, Hester, Shaw, Bell and Olsen)..but this team isn’t built on the theory of trying new things, concentrating on what works. They are stuck in the rut of old fashioned run it up the middle football. I bet you, on most other teams right now, Knox would be a “force to reckon with” along with Bell, Olsen, Hester and even bennet. But the bears have a certain something, I cant quite put my finger on it, but something that just saps the life out of players. Is it horrible and unwise coaching? Maybe…Is it bad paly calling? Possibly…but I dont think its lack of talent for the most part. Its how that raw talent is developed, worked with and given the right chances to grow and produce, and the bears organization just doesnt seem to know how to do that. Its a mystery, and its amazing.
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I was going to say something snarky here, but realized it would come off the wrong way.
I agree that some changes need to be made, but as I said, I think once the team starts to gel and get used to each other, players will improve. They’ll feel more comfortable and know what’s going on, plus they’ll be able to trust the others better. The only thing I can say though, since I don’t have any control of the team, lol, is “we’ll see”
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Another bad loss...
And it looks like Cutlers confidence is gone after the bad games he has played recently. I hope he can get it back.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
cutler's
confidence is gone. and i don’t blame him, he’s having to do everything. all the weight is on his shoulders and all the blame goes to him too.
If I were him i’d call out coaching and management for the problems they have. what else can they do to him? They can’t trade him or release him, bears fans might go into open revolt.
I'm sorry, I don't buy that as an excuse.
That’s what all QB’s have to deal with and when you are supposed to be a Superstar, that comes with the territory. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming the season on Cutler at all. I think he is one tough S.O.B and has talent, but he needs to get his head out of his a$$ when it comes to his mechanics and decision making. The great ones want the weight on their shoulders, and I’m not saying that he doesn’t, but that seems to be an excuse that a lot of people here and the media are giving him. Funny, that when he got here everyone was saying that he makes his receivers better, but his old ones still seem to be doing okay and I don’t think his current ones are doing that badly, but now to say that there’s too much responsibility on him flies in the face of saying he makes his teammates better.
I want to see how he handles the rest of the season before passing judgement. Not looking at wins / losses so much, but how he handles his own responsibilities. Angelo’s famous statement about it starting with QB is B.S., we should all be able to see it starts with line play, so let’s see how Jay deals with the next 6 games and see if he does his job.
Chris Chambers was available.....
I didnt say anything about him before, because Ive been lambasted for making player suggestions on here before by all the football experts and gurus that seem to run rampant on this blog (yet for some strange reason they dont really have a career in the field, hmmmmmm) anyways…KC picked him up after SD released him, and his numbers this sunday were decent (4 rec 119 yds)….Was he even considered by bear management? Since this post is title notes, scribbles and things jotted down, I was pondering this and thought I’d throw it out there….have at it gurus and experts!
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play!
What do you expect from me? Im a Bears fan.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions
all the football experts and gurus that seem to run rampant on this blog (yet for some strange reason they dont really have a career in the field, hmmmmmm
Luckily for us, we have you.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
I'm asking why we didn't see Bell in the red zone
Obviously one of the problems this team has is lack of confidence (not to mention leadership), so why not put him in on second down to give Bell a chance to finish the drive? Was he too gassed? I hope that’s the reason, but if not, come on—the kid just came off a huge first play and was probably brimming with confidence and adrenaline.
We didn’t see him in the red zone at all, which surprises me because what the Bears really need is an extra-effort tailback, especially when up against the goal line. Look at his other plays, run for 7 (called back on penalty), run for 8, run for 4, and a loss of 3 when he bobbled a handoff. Even without the big play, that’s better production than the running game has put out most of the year.
I hope they use a lot more of him in the upcoming games, in the chance that he is capable of the same production.
OK, despite a tough loss, that whole scene where Hester lost his trousers just cracked me up.
If you can stand to see an embarassed Hester again and endure more dumb jokes about it, try the KSK site :
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/
People there are calling Chicago, “Da Bares” now :)
Seeing that live the other night made me think of this....
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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