Another Possible Ron Turner Replacement

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM CST in Notes Comment 71 comments

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My plan was to have this post up on Thursday, but after another tough loss, with another bunch of questionable calls by Ron Turner, and after seeing the regression of a Pro Bowl quarterback, I had to chime in early. The Bears offense is in desperate need of a coach that can coach.

Last week I speculated the Bears could hire Charlie Weis as offensive coordinator if the Fighting Irish let him go. After losing again this weekend that possibility is gaining momentum. I honestly think Weis would be a great fit as the OC in Chicago, but it's still a far fetched idea. After the jump let's look at another possible replacement for Turner...

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Since Lovie Smith isn't going anywhere and he has final say so in regards to his staff, I thought the next best place to look for a replacement for Turner is in Smith's past. Mike Martz is widely regarded as a great offensive mind (and a slightly warped mind); his "Greatest Show On Turf" Rams offenses won a Super Bowl with him as the OC and were NFC Champs in 2001 with him as the head coach and Lovie as his defensive coordinator. Martz and Smith are good friends, yes even with Martz's critical words about Cutler a while back, and don't forget it was Martz that was highly complimentary of Smith while he was pursuing a head coaching job.

Can a Mike Martz offense work in Chicago? Martz likes to use 4 and sometimes 5 wide receiver sets to spread out a defense. His takes part of his philosophy from coaching legends Sid Gillman and Don Coryell (Wiki-links provided), and is without a doubt a pass first coach. But don't forget what incredible numbers running back Marshall Faulk put up in his offense, if he has the talent he'll use it.. Martz will stretch a defense vertically as well as horizontally so a solid pass blocking line is critical. As is solid footing, something that was again called into question Sunday night.

* Allow me to go on a tangent for a sec... It's time to install Field Turf at Soldier Field. With the Tampa 2 style of defense that values speed first and foremost it's a wonder Field Turf hasn't been installed. And now with an offense that looks like it'll get away from the running mentality. Is there a better time to go artificial than the 2010 season? OK, back to Martz...

With the potential for bad weather in Chicago, I'm not sure a pass oriented offense will ever work. Definitely not on natural grass, but with the investment you just made in Jay Cutler, you have to make him the focal point of the offense. Then again, a pass happy offense worked in Buffalo to the tune of four straight AFC titles, Brett Favre made a name for himself winning games on the frozen tundra, and I'll even throw in the Patriots outstanding cold weather play with Tom Brady under center. Finding the right compliment to a passing game in Chicago for those December/January games could be done, but could they be done with Martz as OC?

A Mike Martz offense hasn't in the past asked the QB to roll or bootleg much, two things we all want to see more from Cutler, but instead is a timing offense that requires the QB to hit his spots on the field. Cutler has the arm strength and accuracy to succeed in any offense and I think Martz is smart enough to tailor some stuff to his personnel.

With so many players running around it puts the receivers in position for a lot of yards after the catch, something Devin Hester should excel at. His offenses haven't utilized the tight end much, but Greg Olsen is athletic enough to be used all over the field, and could find a place in the offense.

When Martz was OC in San Francisco for his one season in 2008 he guided their offense to their best output in five years. When in Detroit he coordinated Jon Kitna to a 4,000 yard season in 2006 even though the Lions only won 3 games, and in '07 Kitna again surpassed 4,000 yards and the Lions improved to 7 wins. Martz wasn't brought back in '08 and the Lions failed to win a game and their offensive numbers plummeted.

Martz is admittedly a little odd, a little egocentric, and sometimes hard to get a long with, but his friendship with Lovie and his familiarity with Rod Marinelli, not to mention his strong desire to get back into the NFL, and I think Mike Martz would be a good fit in Chicago.

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Mike Martz doesn’t know what a Tight End is. If we get Mike Martz, you can kiss any option of Olsen or Kellen Davis having success.

by jeepdays on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Do you really need a tight end when you have Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt?

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

San Fran didn't have 3 guys like Faulk, Bruce, and Holt

and VDavis was not utilized when Martz was there.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 24, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True

If the Bears could run a 4 WR set without a TE and the offense was performing like the 00 Rams, would anybody really care?

by McRipper on Nov 24, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Olsen as a really slow WR

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

by Ditkavsworld

by gaclaudy on Nov 24, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

4.5 forty yard dash ain't exactly slow.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 24, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He kind of lumbers, though.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Nov 25, 2009 3:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't Fitzgerald and Boldin have slow 40 yard dash times?

They turned out fine.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Nov 24, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bad idea

Not only did Martz insult Cutler, but also hasn’t been successful recently. Although, if Lovie is retained it might be a decent, one-year option. I agree about the TE problem as well; I’d trade Olsen if he were brought in.

"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.

by propheteer on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

We definitely saw Vernon Davis held back

when Martz was in SF, but I wonder if Olsen would be able to get reps split wide in a Martz scheme.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 24, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO...

He’s just bad! He would destroy what is left of the offense with his arrogance and stupidity.

When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!

by LostInSTL on Nov 24, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

love the field turf idea.

by Hatchetm on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I like the idea

but the Bears don’t have the personnel for his offense!! I really wish the Bears would have signed Torry Holt in the off-season. He’s exactly what the Bears need right now, a WR who can run routes. Holt is maybe the best route runner I’ve personally ever seen. Well him and Marvin Harrison. Hester should be in the slot. His matchup advantage there would be insane.

by McRipper on Nov 24, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Shanny's son from Houston

Still a good idea for head coach IMHO, but I’d def. take him as OC.

Weis as OC is a longshot, methinks he doesn’t take anything less than HC to come back that quick/ If he gets fired this season, and it seems like he will, I would guess he’ll take a year off at least, not just from the stress of coaching ND football but also because he’s in bad shape physically.

Maybe someone in the college ranks?

by BBANGUS on Nov 24, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

What about...

Cam Cameron (Balt), Kyle Shanahan (Hous), Jason Garrett (Dal), Marty Mornhinweg (Phil), Mike Mularkey (Atl), Jeff Davidson (Car) and Greg Knapp (Sea)??

All of these guys are already established OC’s and most likely would not take another OC position. Davidson could be the easiest to sway because the Panthers QB situation sucks and we have a young Pro Bowl caliber QB.

Kyle Shanahn would be my first choice as a OC, but he could be the answer at HC as well considering what he’s done in Houston.

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think Garrett is sticking in DAL

Thye paid him big bucks to stay on as an assistant coach. I’m guessing that’s to ensure he replaces Wade Phillips when that axe inevitably falls.

by BBANGUS on Nov 24, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know Garrett will stay in Dallas. I don’t know why I put him on that list.

Truthfully, Lovie will promote someone within the organization. Then once Lovie is gone then we’ll get a fresh start with all the coaches.

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Houstons offense looks pretty good

by Ryan21 on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Houstons offense looks pretty good

by Ryan21 on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

In the NFL Coaches can't switch teams unless you get a higher title

No lateral moves. An offensive coordinator can’t leave 1 team (while under contract) to become the OC on a new team unless he is given OC/Assistant Head Caoch title.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Houstons offense looks pretty good

I think if we lose most of our remaining games and keep having all these penalties Lovie is gone. Our next HC needs to be an offensive coach. No more people from STL please. Not a single one has worked out. Quit livin in the past.

by Ryan21 on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Houstons offense looks pretty good

by Ryan21 on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

If Lovie is fired and that's a big if

I hope they bring in an established head coach.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i hope not

Perfect scenario of course. I would want an established GM, and a HC that is ok without alot of personnel control. and those established HC’s are going to want alot of personnel control. Thats my problem with Mike Shanahan. he wants, i would imagine, personnel control. And he has a great record of picking offensive talent, but about the opposite on defense. I would assume Holmgren, or Cowher would also want this and, not that i don’t like them as coaches cause i think they are great, i want a HC and GM. Not a HC/GM

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would those guys leave

there respective O.C. positions to come here and be an O.C.?

by Jhitt81 on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

martz is possible but not likely

Hiring Martz as OC would require a complete overhaul of the offensive personnel from the line out, and would take at least two years given that we don’t have much in the way of draft choices at the end of this season. I like the concept, and we may be forced in that direction anyway I guess but it would get uglier before it got pretty.

"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur

by Maelvampyre on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

martz would tell angelo that these guys suck

so no, that’ s not going to happen.

by Hatchetm on Nov 24, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Martz is a possiblity

The first thing with hiring Martz would be does he and Lovie get along. Martz hired Lovie in StL, but did they work together well?

Martz already said on the NFL Network that the Bears have no #1 receiver. I think he would make changes. to the OL, bring in a #1 type WR. I’m all for that.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09000d5d814719a7/Is-Cutler-responsible

I think Martz would be good short term option. IF Turner is fired, Lovie will bring in or promote is own guy. I don’t think we have anybody internally who could step up and be a OC.

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

also,

Just because Lovie has in the neighborhood of $10 mil left on his contract, I don’t think he’s in the clear. I think in order for him to save his job he has to beat either Minnesota or Green Bay. I think Lovie is history if he gets swept by the Vikes and Pack.

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're speaking as if the Bears' management were capable of decisive action

by SaintCee on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please

No more Lovie-buddy re-treads.

I’ve reached the point of frustration where I simply want to wipe the whole coaching slate clean. (minus Toub, of course)

I think it’s the best thing for Jay and the (small) young core of talent this team still has.

A fresh start and a new beginning.

by Amishbear on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That’s exactly what this team needs but won’t happen until Lovie is gone. We’ll have to wait.

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

but we all know how things are in under this group. Martz isn’t my 1st choice, nor is he in my top 10, but with his friendship with Lovie, he might be the guy.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I had a talk with my father about the team.Who was a coach and played football as well.After that here are my opinions about this team.

On Jay:He thinks that he (and all the other players) lost confidence in their coaches.Jay made mistakes im not justifying that.BUT the coaching has been a problem for years.Jay is a good young QB but with shitty coaching they can ruin that talent.Also he spoke about the Jay from beginning of the season that he was different.For example when he threw a pick back then he cared and would knock out the guy who had it.Now since his confidence in his coaches (and maybe himself) were basically shot, he just seem like “here we go again” and last night he plays not to lose (like Orton use to do) and instead of making big plays he tries not to throw a pick instead of making plays which did lead to a pick in the end, and try to do way too much than he should (not to mention that the O-line suck) and tries to do everything,and i mean EVERYTHING!Jay is an emotional QB needs to calm down and just play.

On the WR’s:The WRs coach should coach high school instead of college.Wrs running different routes when they are RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER on those routes.Hester should be a slot guy or #4.Knox should be the starter,And Bennett can be a decent #2.And they rarely finish their routes which lead to basically at least half of Jay’s INTs.I understand the 1st 2 games when they do this but NOT AFTER 10 GAMES!Also They NEVER and I mean NEVER attack the ball.They just let it come to them ALL THE TIME.at least knock it down to prevent a pick.They just stand there and wait thats all they did.You dont need a #1 WR to do that its effort thats on them and on the damn WRs coach for not empahising that to them.Worst Coach ever.

On coaching:Lovie should go he is not kicking this team in the butt and getting them going.Its ok to be calm but show SOME emotion.Im sure that EVEN Dungy shows some emotion.And for him to take 9 WEEKS to make an adjustment that alone should get him fired.Turner-Not even going to talk about this high school caliber coach,he is guilty of not using Jay’s strength’s and thats ROLLING THE HELL OUT!!Not even ONCE that he ever tries that. QB coach sucks as well thats it for him hes a high school guy too.And of course GM Angie should go and take his melting brain with him.And it seems that all of the GOOD players we have are on THE PRACTICE SQUAD!!!

On the RBs:Forte seems to go down on the 1st or 2nd hit (granted the O-line cant block 10 year olds).He does dance too much and try to look for that hole.He is good not great.Bell seems to be the other back that we are looking for.We need 2 maybe 3 good RBs one isnt enough anymore we need to catch up with the times.

Final thoughts:It seems that like i said before that there are some damn good players ON THE FREAKIN PRACTICE SQUAD no less.The coaching staff is on TOTAL disarray.Nobody to evalutate talent or to develop it.Nobody to coach up Jay he is still young but if we dont have that guy to coach him up like a shanahan or somebody but Turner or our QB coach (who’s name i dont know) then Jay will be in a lot of trouble.O-line is a mess.Making Forte and Jay the human pinatas.HORRIBLE coaching all-around.The D is soft except Briggs,Tillman,And maybe Bowman.Roach is decent thats it for the D.For me its not too much of the personnel.Like benson kicking butt.And McGowan with the Pats or Chris Harris with panthers.Those guys needed to be coached up something that the bears didnt do.And also We need a GM who CAN evaluate talent.
This team has some talent.But the Coaching has been dreadful for years and the organisation is in disarray no doubt about that.

Well thats my 2 cents.

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

Yeah I know long as hell lol

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just because Bell ran 70 yards on a play

Doesn’t really mean all of the good players are on the practice squad. I dare you to name three practice squad players right now who you feel are a more legitimate, ready for the Bigs player than the guy actually on the roster.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Im just saying give those guys a chance thats all im saying on that part.You never know

Bell can be a decent guy.And they should have put Brandon Rideau on the roster give him a shot.I cant trust them to evaluate talent.Bell did more than Wolfe and AP did in that one game than he they did all season.

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

While I agree that talent evaluation is not the Bears' strong suit...

I have to say your claim that he did more in the one game than either of them have all season is false.

Peterson has 51 yds on 7 attempts and has invaluable contribution in special teams play.

Wolfe has 120 yards on 22 attempts and a TD, in addition to, again, invaluable contribution in special teams play.

Bell has 4 carries for 81 yards. Given that one of those was 72 yards(and extended by great hustle by Johnny Knox), that’s 3 rushes for 9 yards otherwise. 3 yards/carry isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Give him a few more games, see if he and Forte can make a great tandem, and go from there.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Im impressed with Bell.And he does need to play more games.But the O-line needs to Start over

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I believe Jay Cutler

is closer to Joe Theisman’s talent evaluation. He’s got a long way to go, before you can rate him as a good young QB.

by rocko1 on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I know,He needs a mentor.and a supporting cast

He just need some help on and off the field.Im glad McNabb talked to him he is one of my favorite players.Jay needs help he needs to be coached up.And a good suppoting cast.A great QB would look below average with a supporting cast we have.If Grossman gets 3 freakin years why not Jay.He has proven that he can be effective with a nice cast of players around him which we lack.I give him 2 more years unless he plays worse next year.

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No way

Jay stays in Denver no one questions that he is a good young qb, they only question if he is a great young qb. He comes to chitown and we do to him what we usually do to offensive things and people want to think its Jay? no way. He’s good.

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cutler wasn't

wanted in Denver by McDaniels. Now we now why….He’s not even close to being a good QB. As Theisman stated..“a bigger version of Rex Grossman”.

by rocko1 on Nov 24, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He was wanted

McD wanted his guy from NE. that makes sense. Cassel knows the system, was successful in the system, and so wouldn’t go through the growing pains. Cassel already respects McD. Tons of reasons it would have been easier for McD if he had Cassel in Denver. But that doesn’t mean that McD wouldn’t have wanted him. McD, Bowlen and Cutler just didn’t handle anything well afterwords. McD new coach, Cutler is young, Bowlen.. dumb? idk?.. But McD would want Cutler over Orton, or Simms.

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If that's what

you think happened fine. Imo, McD didn’t want Cutler from the get go because he didn’t believe he was any good. Impossible to tell what really happened. Maybe the Bears were set up by several teams. Angelo was “fixated” and was an easy target. Right now, very few teams would want Cutler over Orton. Many reputable Qbs have been very critical of Cutler. Theisman and Tarkenton are just the latest one to throw Jay under the bus. Maybe they are right?

by rocko1 on Nov 24, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the media

former qb’s in the media said he was good last year, just like the said sanchez was the second coming early this season and now they back off. Media goes with the wind. Theisman or Tarkenton, or Dilfer, don’t care what they say, they talk for a job, so thats what they do talk.
And McD didn’t try to get any qb. he tried to get HIS qb. Cutler forced him to get someone else.

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bellichick,

McDaniels, and Pioli found a sucker. His name is Jerry Angelo. McD ends up with Orton and Chicago’s top draft picks. Pioli ends up with Cassells and Vrabell. The Patriots shed Cassells’ franchise tag and get a second round pick. Jerry Angelo gets Jay Cutler and eventually is fired.

by rocko1 on Nov 24, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just what

we need, another one of Lovie’s buddies and member of the 2008 Lions’ coaching staff. No!

by rocko1 on Nov 24, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Also

I wouldn’t mind having Marty Schottenhiemer.He was screwed over at San Diego.He is a Great coach.

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'd just like to comment on this part

With the potential for bad weather in Chicago, I’m not sure a pass oriented offense will ever work.

I think that’s such a myth… Tom Brady are Big Ben are racking up passing yards in important cold weather games outdoors in Dec and Jan every year. And Favre and Elway did it throughout their entire careers. Heck, Brady set passing records earlier this year in the snow.

I wish this myth would go away.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

I'm wrecking this.

Because I agree. There are a lot of old football myths that just don’t apply. It may have back in the day, but the game is just different now.

"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves

by KDoggers on Nov 24, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yep, that's why I also wrote this...

Then again, a pass happy offense worked in Buffalo to the tune of four straight AFC titles, Brett Favre made a name for himself winning games on the frozen tundra, and I’ll even throw in the Patriots outstanding cold weather play with Tom Brady under center.

…just showing two sides of thought

The muddy field is what bothers me more, NE and Pit both have field turf, and field turf is better for their footing than mud. And besides all those cold weather teams still have real good run games, even when they aren’t clicking, the threat of the run is always there.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Would Martz ComeTo Chicago?

Assuming that Lovie is allowed to stay until the end of his contract would Martz be willing to come to Chicago if Lovie gets let go one year later at the end of his contract? Martz may come on after either Lovie’s contract is renewed (God Forbid!) or a new HC is named but I doubt if he will seriously consider an offer if he finds himself with a new HC one year later.

by nosmo343 on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

reports are Martz just wants to coach

He feels he’s blackballed around the league, so if he can get in he’ll take it, remember he spent only 1 year in San Fran after 2 in Detroit, he is looking for a job to get his name back in the head coach hunt.

If he can turn around the Bears offense he’ll look pretty good around the league.

Again he’s not my first choice, but he’s someone I’m sure the Bears would consider.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hell

why not bring everyone still playing from the St.Louis and Tampa Bay Super Bowl Teams. Lovie should resign, he is a disgrace to coaches, Chicago, and football.

by stumpo on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Jeremy Bates?

What about Jeremy Bates?Bates was the QB coach in Denver and would be a good choice as Offensive Coordinator because of his familiarity of Cutler. Bates is currently QB coach at USC.

by dannym22 on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i also love the field turf idea

would make so much sense especially with lovie’s undersized defense. there has to be some ulterior motive as to why the park district insists on keeping sod. probably just a form of city politics as usual.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

sod layers union.

by Hatchetm on Nov 24, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that would explain it

thanks kind sir

by reefermadness3 on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we have to deal with Lovie

for 1 more year, then i think Martz would be a great choice. Not saying best but a great one. We have a good qb, we have some decent wr’s, we have pass catching TE’s (i know he doesnt use them, but olsen is fast), and Forte would be a great fit for his system. the only problem would be the line, but that will be regardless so why not?

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i think martz is a giant dbag

but i tend to agree with you. can’t be worse than the current system anyway.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Martz id a dbag

but he is a great offensive mind.I kinda miss the Greatest show on Turf

by T.Moore on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he looks like too doesnt he?

i mean alot of dbags look like they may just have alot of confidence, you dont know which way to go till you talk to them. But martz looks like a dbag. But his offense always puts up numbers. Kitna looked good with him, i mean come on.

by GtM on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Martz

He did well considering what he had to work with in Detroit and San Fran. I mean Kitna threw for over 8,200 yds under Martz! Shaun McDonald had almost 1,000 yds in 06 and Mike Furrey was over 1,000 in 07. He made the best out of what he was given. Obviously he succeeded when he had talent (ie, St. Louis).

by boondock_saint812 on Nov 24, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If Martz is desperate he won't refuse the job

and Lovie knows hem but probably won’t fire Turner, if Martz does come in, Turner will probably be the QB coach, bad but not as bad as being OC

by DaHamsta on Nov 24, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Lovie and Martz coached together

at Arizona State and in St. Louis.

If they’re going to keep Lovie Martz couldn’t do any worse than Ron Turner.

He’d definitely be an improvement IMO.

by axthelm on Nov 24, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like how you think, wilt.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Nov 24, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

In light of the new post about a real possibility of a shake up in the front office and coaching staff… I believe this is the BEST OPTION for the Bears!! Give Angelo and Lovie ONE MORE SHOT with a new OC in Martz to help out… What he did for the Lions and 49er’s ALONE is enough for ME!!! NICE piece Wilt!

GO BEARS!!!!

by ChiTownSounds on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs