Hot off the press: Bears looking at new coach, GM?
by SackMan on Nov 24, 2009 6:38 PM CST
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Usually around this time for year, we're all yelling for change... "Fire the Offensive Coordinator. Fire the Defensive Coordinator. Fire the Head Coach. Fire the GM." Well, Bear Nation... your dreams may have just taken a first bite to fruition. According to Hub Arkush on 670 WSCR this afternoon, the Bears are dipping their toes into the coaching talent pool.
"Inquiries have been made, feelers have been put out," Arkush said on the radio station today regarding the initial step of gauging interest and affordability of some of the big-names candidates available.Arkush specifically named former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who groomed Bears quarterback Jay Cutler and helped him earn a Pro Bowl berth in Denver; former Steelers coach Bill Cowher and former Buccaneers and Raiders coach Jon Gruden. All three have won Super Bowls.
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Shanahan is a no-brainer
He’s from Chicago and he personally scouted and drafted Jay Cutler.
If you’ve made a heavy investment in Cutler you might as well replace the current head coach with a guy that can get the best out of him.
Just make sure that there’s a solid GM that can work well with Shanahan (ala Belichick & Pioli) and make sure that the defense (players & coaches) are not just an after-thought and it’s all good.
If (by chance) it doesn’t work out . . then nobody can accuse you of SITTING ON YOU ASS and NOT TRYING!
No f’ing guts . . . No f’ing glory.
(BTW: If money is an issue I’m sure that there are about a million Bear fans that would send in an $11 donation to make this happen. I know I would).
From Wiki, so take it with a grain of salt...
Shanahan played high school football at East Leyden High School, Franklin Park, Illinois where he played wishbone quarterback
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by Ditkavsworld
And if I recall correcty,
Shanahan is still owed about 20 million from Denver… so his contract on the front end for a new team would not likely break the bank.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Shanahan spread himself way too thin in Denver
Winning two Super Bowls and his close relationship with the owner gave him almost complete autonomy with the Broncos.
However, the fact remains that after Elway, he won just one playoff game in 10 years.
That’s pathetic.
Supposedly the bloom started coming off the rose between him and owner Pat Bowlen when Shanahan pushed for a new practice facility.
Mike needs to just get back to doing what he does best. Coaching. Specifically the offense.
Hire him and help him surround himself with the people (FO and coaches) that can help him repeat the Super Bowl success he had in Denver with John Elway with one of the most storied franchises in the NFL (Da Bears) and with his golden boy (Jay Cutler).
No particular reason.
Just keeping the Shanahan conversation going.
Adding Shanahan has it positives and negatives...
But, first and foremost… we have a huge investment in the QB he handpicked. And, if he can bring his former offensive line coach along for the ride, we’ll be able to actually run the ball again. Kudos if Brandon Marshall comes with too.
However, on the flip side: his defenses were horrible as the years went on, and so were his drafts (most notable all the D-lineman he selected who made zero impact).
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Also need a bit better QB
I think Forte got the crap kicked out of him last year and had been playing hurt all year
Shanahan would be great as HC and and then Weis as OC..
Can you say “AWE”….wait for it, wait for it… “SOME”.
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by Ditkavsworld
I believe he only gets paid
if he’s not involved with a team in any way. There was a stipulation that if he works for another team, they no longer have to pay out. That’s why he has been content to just sit and wait. He’s getting paid big money to not coach. Not sure if that’s only for this year or if it’s for next year too.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
From January
when the Shanahan to the Cowboys rumors were starting…
Also appealing to Jones, Shanahan would not carry an exorbitant price tag. Because his contract had three years remaining, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen owes Shanahan $20 million. Any owner who hires Shanahan could pay him a lower salary than the estimated $7 million a year he’s owed and Bowlen would be obligated to pay the balance of that “offset.”
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Offer him tree fiddy. Bowlen can fork out the other $6,999,996.50.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 25, 2009 3:28 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I must wreck that.
Ditka Avenger and Original WCG Power Poster!!!!
Want to be a blood donor? Insult Chuck Norris.
by Ditkavsworld on Nov 25, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Let me put a little green on there too
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by Ditkavsworld
Sooo
would that open the possibility of negotiating a short term contract (say the exact length of the remainder of his Denver payout) for league minimum, with an understanding that he’ll get an extension and pay raise back to normal levels after?
Of course it would require a load of trust for both management and fans that Shannie would get the extension. And I have no idea if the league has any guidelines set up specifically to stop this kind of deal. But it would be awesome both in getting a good HC and screwing Denver. That’s a win frickin win situation.
Hub said...
he still thinks the odds are against the bears making a change. but ownership wants to be prepared if things get worse.
things are already pretty bad if you ask me.
This is huge!
Hub always plays debbie downer. He wants it to seem like he didn’t bring it up so he doesn’t ‘’burn his sources.’’ Thats why he nonchalantly mentioned it. He wanted Terry and Dan to put two and two together and pick it up from there so that he didn’t look like the rumor leaker.
It just makes too much sense, Bill Cowher comes out last night and tonight it’s leaked the Bears are looking into change. It’s not rocket science whats going on here.
3 non playoff seasons? That gets a NFL head coach fired. PEROID! You can’t sell a lame duck coach next season I don’t care how much he makes.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
you could be right about cowher
IF there is regime change, it will all come down to what you see as Bears football. To my mind, Cowher is the best fit with the history of the team and the history of the fans. It really doesn’t matter that Cutler is here as QB. Cowher has brains enough to hire someone who could help Cutler reach his full potential, and he would hold people accountable for their production. Shanahan is good, no doubt, but he is so different from what the Bears were founded on that the entire basis of the team would change. Maybe it’s time for that kind of change. Still, I’d like to see Cowher, eyes bulging, spraying spittle all over the place while “explaining” something to Cutler in the heat of battle. To me, that would be Bears football. Someone that Payton or Butkus would have played for.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
I'm with you
I am tired of the whispering type or coach(Jauron and Lovie). I think it is time to go back to a screamer. Hard nosed football is synonymous with chicago(in my opinion) and i owuld like to see us get back to it.
Football in general is changing
agree with the majority of your post though…
Personally between Shanahan over Cowher anyday
I’d like to see Cowher, eyes bulging, spraying spittle all over the place
And the moustache. It’s a Chicago thing, baby!
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
lol
must be why the blackhawks are dominating
coach q is sporting the classic ditka stache
by reefermadness3 on Nov 25, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Certainly worked out that way for Shanny
3 non playoff seasons? That gets a NFL head coach fired. PEROID!
It's real simple
The odds on Lovie Smith (with or without Ron Turner) turning things around and winning a Super Bowl with the Bears are slim to none.
It’s just that simple. There’s a phrase: Things have “run their course.”
That’s it. Things have run their course under Lovie’s watch.
He’s a defensive coach who did a good job when he took over. He had some very talented players on that side of the ball (Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Harris, etc) and got them to the p[layoffs in 2005 and to the Super Bowl in 2006.
And that’s it. It’s been all downhill (or a straight line of mediocrity) since then.
It’s over for this coaching regime. if (and it’s a big if) if the goal is to get back to and win the Super Bowl.
They made a big play for a QB who’s a physically talented as any who has played the game.
Intelligent people (lol) would do everything possible to surround him with the players and coaches necessary for him to succeed.
Add Ted Phillips
while your cleaning house Virginia.
OH MY...
I’ve been leaning toward a coaching change lately, but is everyone prepared for what this means? Here’s a few things to chew on:
-Rebuilding, which means a few more years of losing while we bring in the correct personnel. No free agency plugins and team retreads.
-No guarantees. Just because someone was a supercoach somewhere else, doesn’t mean it will happen again. Ala Jimmy Johnson in Miami, Gibbs the second time around, Da Coach in Nawleans, etc. People sometimes just turn out to be the wrong fit in a different place.
-Tighter purse strings in free agency. Money is money to the McCaskeys. It doesn’t matter how much room we have under the cap, 10-11million going to a new coach means 10-11 million not going to a big free agent like, say, a vincent jackson or an anquan boldin.
-Hiring a coach WITHOUT a proven track record. Let’s be honest. It’s the bears organization. If the proven coaching commodity turns out to be out of their price range but still have “new coach” in their mind, I can totally see them hiring some unproven guy, or an unsuccessful vet. Which would be worse than what we have now.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t love to have a Shanahan or a Cowher, but I don’t want us to go out and get them, and then start whining if we don’t have instant success. I also don’t want the Bears organization to do this haphazardly. Be prepared for the long haul…
That being said, I WANT SHANAHAN! lol I totally agree with axethelm. We invested in Cutler, best to reunite him with the guy that gets the most out of him. But I wouldn’t want him to have GM power. Find a proven commodity out there, a guy that really understands talent evaluation. Make it happen!
To point #1
Rebuilding: anyway you look at it, we’re rebuilding. So, might as well do it with a new regime.
Both sides of our lines are junk, our safeties and WRs are crap, and the leader of our team (#54) is hurt again.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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True...
but if we go with Cowher we’re looking at switching to a 3-4. So the personnel change will be a little more significant.
Not necessarily.
I bet Cowher would adapt to the personnel if it was strong suited to a 4-3. Bill Parcells adapted when he took over different teams with different talent strengths.
Dick LeBeau is the man largely responsible for the 3-4 in Pittsburgh. I don;t recall what Cowher ran as DC of the Chiefs with Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I thought Cowher was one of
the big proponents of the 3-4?
note
Cowher inherited the 3-4 when he took over for Chuck Noll, who won 4 SB with the 3-4 if I am not mistaken. I’d be curious to see what defensive scheme he would employ if he were ever hired by the Bears.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
The Steel Curtain was a 4 man front.
Dwight White, Ernie Holmes, L.C. Greenwood and “Mean Joe” Greene.
Ironically, they played a lot of Cover 2 (Tony Dungy was a DB on that team… and later the DB coach… and later the Defensive Coordinator).
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I'll add....
When Cowher took over the Steelers, he brought in Dom Capers, who was a 3-4 guy. When Capers left, Dick Lebeau took his place and made the 3-4 even better. .
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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LeBeau..
Created the Zone blitz, or at least perfected it. When is Lebeau’s contract up? I wonder if it could be a perfect storm?
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by Ditkavsworld
you're right - my mistake
How could I forget Lambert at MLB for chrissakes!
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Agreed....
but we would still need:
1) NT that is 350 LBS and strong as an Ox.
2) OLB that are “tweeners” maybe our DE’s can switch to OLB but that didn’t work for Kapman so I doubt it.
If we could get this we would money!
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by Ditkavsworld
1) NT that is 350 LBS and strong as an Ox.
Just get Adams some deep dishes and he’ll be there in no time.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
1) cont'd
We already have a player willing to make that sacrifice.
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by David Taylor on Nov 25, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
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by David Taylor on Nov 25, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
3-4 OLBs
Anderson and Gaines Adams are about the right size for 3-4 OLBs. Whether they can be OLBs if up for debate.
I think that might work lets run some numbers....
The best 3-4 is open for debate but let’s use the Steelers, only because they are the Champs right now….
Steelers:
LE: Travis Kirschke 6-3 298 lbs
NT: Casey Hampton 6-1 325 lbs
RE: Brett Keisel 6-5 285 lbs
LOLB: LaMarr Woodley 6-2 265 lbs
LILB: James Farrior 6-2 243 lbs
RILB: Lawrence Timmons 6-1 234 lbs
ROLB: James Harrison 6-0 242
Now lets see what we currently have on roster that could be used, since I’m cheap I don’t want to go out spend money on different players if I don’t have too:
Bears in 3-4:
LE: Jarron Gilbert 6-5 285 lbs
NT: Marcus Harrison 6-3 312 lbs
RE: Tommie Harris 6-3 295 lbs
LOLB: Mark Anderson 6-4 255 lbs
LILB: Lance Briggs 6-1 242 lbs
RILB: Brian Urlacher 6-4 258 lbs
ROLB: Gaines Adams 6-5 258 lbs
Now can those DE make the switch to playing standing up and dropping into coverage? If I am not mistaken I believe Adewale’s and Brown’s are both up this year so if a change is to be made I can’t think of a better time to try the switch. Of course I’m not paid 5.5 million to make these dissions but if we could get Cowher and LeBeau (Is his contract even up?) together or Shanny and 3-4 D-Coordinator, maybe it could work, maybe.
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by Ditkavsworld
Looks like you can't do it starting
both Anderson & Adams, a more athletic OLB is needed in that mix who can cover a TE/RB, though the ILB’s can take the TE/RB assignment part of the time. Still, a different type of OLB, like Colvin was, is needed.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
What about
Tinoisamoa? He played very well the few games he was in this year, I hope they bring him back. In the 3-4 he could possibly be used in passing situations due to his speed and strength.
by GriggsBriggs on Nov 25, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Of course for LB's you could go
LOLB: Lance Briggs 6-1 242 lbs
LILB: Nick Roach 6-1 234 lbs
RILB: Hunter Hilenmeyer 6-4 238 lbs
ROLB: Brian Urlacher 6-4 258 lbs
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by Ditkavsworld
I love it...
I was talking to my buddy a few weeks ago about switching to the 3-4. Your players are almost identical to what I had. Hunter’s pass coverage sucks. I would put Urlacher in the middle along with Roach. I think Anderson is athletic enough to play OLB. If not Anderson go after Elvis Dumervil or Shawn Merriman in FA.
Wale is a FA, he’s gone. Brown still under contract. He’s too small to play DE in the 3-4 and not athletic enough to play OLB. He does have some value left, try to trade him for draft picks. Izzy could play DE. Adams could play DE.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Rebuilding?
The Atlanta Falcons changed coaches in 2008. They went from 4-12 to 11-5.
That same year the Dolphins changed coaches. They went from 1-15 to 11-5.
If that’s rebuilding . . . I’m definitely in favor of it!
Those kind of success stories are the exception, not the rule.
As you can see in my post above, I actually would welcome the right coaching change, but we need to be prepared for a transition period and perhaps failure.
I, for one, am of the mind that we need to do SOMETHING, I just want to make sure we take the right path, and be prepared for the consequences.
I'm pretty sure they both will
want full control. I know Cowher does.
How do you know that?
I know Cowher does.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
I'm pretty sure i read that
he said that last year. Also he had full control in pit and left on his own terms. So it’s only reasonable to assume that he will want it again.
Well let me throw this out there too..
If we are going to rebuild, let’s do it completely. Change the “D” to 3-4 and move the offense to a spread type and install the field turf.
Hey if you are going to remodel, take it down to the studs are start from scratch, at least this way you get what you want at the end.
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by Ditkavsworld
Well, we can't have everything we want.
We either rebuild completely and lose for the next 2-3 years while we do it, or we cut dead weight and try to be the next Atlanta Falcons. I would personally like to see the 2nd option. I wanna be competitive.
Was it Mike Holmgren
that was looking at getting into being a GM somehwere? I can’t think of two better guys to work together than Shanahan and Holmgren… didn’ t they both come fromt he Bill Walsh coaching tree?
And I heard that Holmgren turned down the Bills interview...
don’t have a link but heard it on ESPN Radio.
That might work, Holmgren as GM
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by Ditkavsworld
How great would that be?
to see the looks at Packers fans faces if Holmgren were to be hired by Chicago… priceless.
Since this is possible good news
i think im gonna let myself go wild here…
Mike shanny as HC/GM
Kyle Shanny as Assistant HC/OC
Rob Ryan as DC
or maybe mike as GM kyle hc/oc and ryan as dc? or sub cowher in for mike anywhere.
i would actually throw in GM’s but i don’t know any..
I am down with that list!
Mike and Kyle Shanahan are great offensive minds, and it just feels right to have a Ryan as our DC. Also, have you seen what that guy has done for all the teams he’s been with? The defense was the only brightspot the years that he was on the Raiders. Plus he looks like he belongs in the Chi.
The only thing I would change is the GM role. I wouldn’t want Shanahan to be both. Bring in someone who’s a great talent evaluator and has the stones to tell Shanahan no when he needs to.
GM
i know, i have 2 reasons for that. 1. i dont know many GM’s. and 2. Mike having the gm spot would allow more reason for kyle to have the assistant head coach title. this way when we see that mike mess up the gm spot, we can fire him and then make kyle the HC cause thats what i really want! lol.
If the Ryan boys don’t hold the grudge that their father does, i would love for rob to be our DC. Youre right about him being the bright spot in oakland. he has his pops he learned from and belicheck, he has to be good right? Him arguing with cutler during the cleveland game was awesome. think of that guy yelling at gaines adams, and tommie!
Ah, you sneaky SOB!
Yeah, we could do the new in popular thing of appointing a successor. Man, he would whip Tommie’s a** if he pulled the same stuff he’s done the past few years. Shape up or ship out, buddy!
Aren't Rob Ryan and Cutler homies?
It seemed like after that bears vs browns game they were all cool witht he jaw jacking… am I wrong?
Rob Ryan is horrible
He sucked for Oakland and sucks for Cleveland.
In all fairness,
It was Oakland and Cleveland. Rob Ryan’s done a pretty damn good job as a DC in Cleveland with a “bunch of scrubs”.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Nov 25, 2009 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Lateral moves don't happen in the NFL
Rob Ryan can’t interview for DC position if he already is a DC. He needs to be fired for the Bears to go after him. If Cleveland cleans house, this could happen, but not likely.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 25, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
If Cleveland hires a new coach odds are he gets rid of the old and brings in the new.
Ryan is likely done if they send Mangina packing.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
The Bulls shrink like a dick in cold water.
Early Christmas present?
Just the thought that Maybe this change could happen has made my Christmas!!!
Lovie, Turner , Angelo ALL have to GO!!!!!!! It is TIME for change we can believe in. CTL reported that Cowher is interested in two NFL jobs that “intrigue” him, the Houston Texans and the Chicago Bears, Great give him a call, a guy with passion, a heartbeat, who yells, who cares, aka like da Coach…… what a godsend that would be after 6 years of deer in the headlights Smith!!! Cowher, Shanahan, Chucky, I would pee my pants if we got any of those guys!!!! Please god, let this happen for the sake of the beloved Bears! If the Bears have to lose out and go 4-12 to get the McCaskeys to make a move I’ll even cheer for the Rams at the game Dec 6th, this season is shot anyway and we have no draft picks thanks to the I ride in the small GM school bus Angelo.
i know right
i never root against the bears, regardless. but man, this actual makes me at least think about not cheering.
Let's not completely turn on Lovie.
I appreciate what he has done for us. He almost brought us a SB. But, as someone said earlier, his tenure has “run it’s course.” Time for a change! Shanahan/Shanahan/Ryan/Toub in 2010! Put THAT sticker on your bumper!
It's nothing personal with Lovie
The fact is that in the past 30 years, 94% of the coaches who won a Super Bowl (with the team they won it with) did so in 5 years or less. Lovie is now in his 6th season with the Bears.
If Lovie wins it with the Bears he’d have to buck the odds and be one of those 6%’ers.
No I agree, I'm ready for a change.
But we need to remember he almost got us there, and now its just time to move on. I’m just saying I don’t hate the guy. He’s just not for us anymore.
Vote
If there had to be a coaching change I would go with Bill Cowher. Hes a Defensive mind and that fits well with me and the bears.
Ron Turner NEEDS TO GO!
Gotta Like That!
We have been more than patient as fans of Lovie and his nonsense. Pesonally, I don’t dislike him or Jerry Angelo. I do think a new vision could invigorate this Team and move them in a different direction. I have help off on a new post as to why they did not sign Chambers from San Diego off wavers. I will say it’s because they both lack vision and believe in a flawed logic for what it takes to win football games in today’s NFL. More to come later. Thanks for the Post Sackman! I feel better already.
wow
to good to be true? I will believe when the contracts are signed and not one second sooner….
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 24, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions
Nothing will change
unless Angelo is shown the door. The correct way to go about this, is to hire a good general manager first. Let the GM hire the new head coach. The Dolphins did it right, by hiring Bill Parcels first. Follow this road map Virginia.
…hire a good general manager first. Let the GM hire the new head coach…
And then bring back Orton, right?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Nice
Are you trying to add something to the discussion?
I say
that the McCaskey’s should start the rebuilding effort by firing themselves!! We need the firm foundation that a passionate & commited ownership would provide. Everyone they subsequently hired would then know what the priorities & accountabilities involved in their would be and would perform accordingly. No more clueless Jerry, zombie Lovie or brain-dead Turner.
In a perfect world
the McCaskey’s would sell the team, but who the heck would want to buy this piece of crap franchise for $1 billion. They need to put some lipstick on this pig! I’m in 100% agreement with what you said prbart140.
It's as "simple as that"
It’s time for Lovie to go – and Jerry (and Ron and Harry , too). This club has played such a horrible stretch the past six games, that even our lamb duck owners can see the problems.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
I personally don't wanna give up on Lovie...
I been calling for Ron Turner to go for YEARS and I believe that would make a huge difference… but I certainly don’t want to go with Gruden!!! He never did ANYTHING!!! He couldnt get anything out of the Raiders and once he left they got to the super bowl… only to meet up with him again with Tony Dungy’s Team!!!! I’ll entertain the idea of Shanahan and Cower… with a strong lean toward Cower… only cause when I see him… I think DEFENSE… I dont wanna be an offensive team… “Defense wins Championships”.. some say “Offense sells tickets” but in CHICAGO.. the D sell’s tickets just fine!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
why does Dungy get credit
for building tampa and then gruden coaching them to the sb, but gruden doesn;t get credit for the raiders team that made it to the superbowl right after he left?
maybe, neither of them built the teams? maybe Mckay built the bucs and dungy couldn’t get the job done?
Gruden’s raiders 98 & 99 8-8; 00 12-4 (lost to SB winner Ravens in AFC champ game); 01 10-6 (raped by ‘tuck rule’ against the SB winner pats in playoffs) He gets traded the next season, and beats them in the superbowl. yeah he did alot while he was there, like make them winners. Something they have failed to do since he left.
Bill Cowher interested in bears
Come on bears give him a call get this team rockin again..
Shanahan for Coach!!
Join him by the Hip to Jay Cutler and than let him find a Running Back!!! He may be the best Coach out there in finding and plugging in a Running Back! He knows talent in the RB… I know most of us like Forte, but he is too slow, and he plays with himself to long in the backfield! When will he learn that the hole will not stay open or open for long, and the O-line we have is one of the worst in run Blocking! Adrian Peterson has done pretty well when he had a chance, because he runs north and south and makes one cut and that is it! Forte, dances and waits for I dunno? Call Ron Rivera back for DC and sign Shanahan now!!! You will get Players that want to play in Chicago again! Look at ll the guys we gave we away over the years!! Gandy, Colombo, Gage, Bradely, Benson, and countless others… The coaches there now, don’t know talent and don’t know how to teach them when they do have it!!! Vaginia Pull the Cord on our lifeless Bears and get us a Coach who can get the players to want to come to Chicago!!
So many directions I could go with this one.
I numbs my mind.
Vaginia Pull the Cord on our lifeless Bears and get us a Coach who can get the players to want to come to Chicago!!
Completely numb…..
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Take deep breathes
Don’t want to miss on these grapefruits that thrown. Don’t want to strike out now, swing easy and give us a homerun.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
The cool thing is, we don't have to find a new RB.
Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme would make a star again out of Forte. It also simplifies things for the offensive line. I think it fits Forte better anyways. The best fit for the zone blocking scheme is a one-cut then go runner. That is Forte.
I love it but one of the Chicago Writers
tweeted earlier that sources inside the team said that was absolutely not true. I do hope it is though. I think maybe management (Maybe, HOPEFULLY) they realize “Now we have a franchise type QB we need to pay for coaching talent and coordinators too”
by Sam Householder on Nov 24, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions
You do realize the Managment = McCaskey's
The Stadium is sold out every game, kinda makes it hard to make change when money is the bottom line
A certain baseball team in this city has/had the same problem
Perhaps
But maybe the McCaskey’s have seen look at that certain baseball team, and perhaps a certain hockey team, and realized that more winning = more revenue and higher franchise value.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
So, say we make the change.
What players should go? If we goto cowher and a 3-4 do you think tommie would make a good 5 technique?
I'll Believe It When I See It
The Bears really should replace Smith and his gang, and also run off a whole bunch of current players. Really clean house. It needs to be done as Smith’s system has proven it was only as good as the players the coach before him brought in. Smith was on top with those players and his gimmick defense. Now, the league has figured his defense out and can beat it early and often. Smith has also shown very little feel for offfense, and it often has appeared to just be an afterthought. Reminds me an awful lot of Baltimore under Bellick. Today, you have to have a legit offense to win. Just looking at the Bears its been clear that Smith doesn’t get offense. It’s come home to roost with how he’s handled Cutler. Proven it. Couldn’t you imagine what the Pats would be doing with Cutler? They took an average QB in Brady and made him a star. Smith does just the opposite to QB’s.
\One note, Cowher is a system guy, and the Steelers are a system team. Mgt plugged the players in there and he just drove the car. He’s not a gifted team builder and, in my thinking, much closer to Smith in terms of football smarts. He’s not a flatliner like Smith, but close to it. Cowher didn’t build the Steelers. And, he would be a real bad fit for the Bears. Closer to Ditka near the end, or Ditka in New Orleans. Keep in mind Ditka was dumb as a box of rocks, and it showed as he ran the team into the ground with his ‘leadership’. Why he’s worshipped in Chicago, or anywhere, is a real joke.
I’d pick Shanahan, then limit his GM side. Find a real GM for a change. Look what you have now. Get a real guy in there. And a real defensive coach. Too bad Ryan went to the Jets. Big Mike will be a winner here. Not Cowher. Cowher is holding out for the Panthers job, anyway.
The way some of you guys
are talking it’s like we need to scrap and re-build. Which is saying a lot about this team since we were hoping to be in Super Bowl contention in the next 2 years.
by Sam Householder on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions
we really arent that far off and if you look at our season changing losses
In my opinion they all fall in those 4 night games which were all winnable games. But if you look at the common denominator in those 4 games they came out flat and played sub par 1st halfs. Which tells me they are unprepared and that has to fall on the coaches. I really dont have a big problem with the personnel just the coaches and if we did scrap em all I do see us making a run in the near future.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
But some people are poining out personnel
And when you look at it and say well we need 3-4 o-lineman, 1 safety, 1 CB, a true 1 receiver, RB depth, then you say, well that is kind of a lot isn’t it?
by Sam Householder on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Well a 3-4 would only work with solid DBs which we are definitley lacking
I dont understand why a 4-3 cant be ran with a good blitz scheme, I mean does any Zone blitz anymore, I like what I have seen from Bowman he will only get better with time, Tillman is my hero, I definitely wouldnt mind Brandon Marshall when Shanahan gets here, and safety has to be something we look at in FA not in the draft, too many young bloods back there and lets see what this Rooks got these last six games before we rush to judgement. Not to mention we seem to get some hits late in drafts which we will need to this year with nothing but late picks.
As far as the O line is concerned how bout keeping Beekman there, the run game and screen game has picked up since hes gotten in there and I think Omiyale needs to be put back in his natural position at RT and move Williams to his natural position at LT and see what happens in these next 6 games. That is what I would say to those certain people. The one nice thing if there are ANY nice things about being out of it, is you can test out some things instead of going in blind with some on the fence guys next year, this is when you test guys like that out. That is what I would say to those people.
I believe I remember hearing we have a lot of room under the cap. I hope that is true.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
I agree w your O-line moves,
but not until after the Vikings game. You don’t want to put Chris Williams at LT and have is 1st assignment be Jared Allen. Might as well start Hanie then, cause Cutler would be knocked out by the 2nd series of the game.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 25, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Good point Allen might have 15 sacks.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhohohohohohohohohohohohohohohhooho....this was the funniest shit ive read in a long time. Everyone's opinion is formulated pal, this team is in the crapper
Charles Tillman said. “And my advice is to watch us these last six games before you formulate an opinion.”
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 25, 2009 1:22 AM CST reply actions
Near Misses I used to think.
Now I would agree with many that our coaches have been acting like a bunch of monkeys %^$# ing a football. What ever happened to the crazy plays that were tried all preseason that actually worked. This quick dump off crap to hester hasn’t ever worked. The plays that require a run game seem to be the ones that are always called. Obvious plays always being the ones being used as if the formations don’t make a difference. This last game I would agree that Cutler did put too much on his throws but come on all the other games he whole game we really needed a D-fense. We were like a blanket blowing in the wind. Everyone in the stadium could of predicted the play calling yet nothing was even done. No pass rush, no coverage, if as each team knew what the other was going to do yet the Bears didn’t do anything about it. Put hester back at return or just throw him the long ball, and get a %^$# reciever back that actually ran the right routes. Every good reciever we had in pre-season was cut, and we’re left with just Bennet, Knox?, and what ever happened to our #1 picks. Jeez, Crabtree has only played in a few games and he looks like a potential Bears #1 reciever. What a bunch of jokes running around out there, no wonder Cutler has so many picks.
Cower wants 10 mill?
Isn’t the highest paid coach at like 5.5 mill?
Anyone else think that is a bit excessive?
Just raise ticket prices another $50
I mean don’t the owners just stick it to the fans
I am be sarcasitic before anyone jumps down my throat
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
The Raiders?
If Gradkowski starts play remotely like JRuss, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Al Davis sell off his worldly possessions and dust off the overhead projector for an hour long press conference to fire Tom Cable.
Kind'a makes ya'
go hmmm…on the best fit for “the change”. Really oughta’ try to get it right this time. See upsides to Shanahan as he and Cutler have a mutual admiration(you’d think), though he does like to do it all (shany), would like to see some top o’ the line help. Cowher, well seems to me “motivation” is a big strength there as well as accountability and certainly nothin’ wrong with that..once again top o’ the line staff…Chuckie I personally get a kick out of but aint so sure I would if he was ours. At the risk of being called a homer, although only for a short time, Samarai Mike has got his HC feet wet and hasnt really embarrassed himself or the organization and is a man that definetly knows do your job(top to bottom) staff and players or or you’ll probably get your feelins’ hurt. He may not even want to come back to Chicago though, plus what his contract problems to get out would be is hard to tell.
"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank
Hiring Shanahan, Holmgren or Cowher as a GM
would be a great start. Give them a chance to look at the talent and coaching and get “their” guys in place. Let them choose whether they’d want to flip from GM to coach after 2010.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
I am still preferring new blood
While I can appreciate the skills and experience of a Cowher, Shanahan and Gruden heck even Dungy.
I see so many teams prospering from choosing guys currently performing duties well and getting a promotion to HC. (Besides the $$ these guys above are supposedly asking is pathetic ie) Cower 10 mill/ year rumor)
I look at
Steelers Tomlin
Saints-Payton
Cards-Whisenhunt
Vikes Childress
vrs
Browns-Mangini
Bills- Jauron
I am sure there are examples for the differing argument too.
Personally I think the Bears need to totally clean house starting with Angelo and yes I know it is very unlikely to happen. Bring in a new GM and HC and let them evaluate the rest of the OC, QB, Line etc coaches and implement their own strategies and guys.
Personal opinion..
I don’t mind if Angelo stays with the organization..he gets stuff done with the resources he’s given..which isn’t much…id love to see Shanahan in lovies place though and Weis or someone else take over for Turner..but i have no quarrel with Angelo..he went for the win now team this year and it didn’t work..had to try though
he went for the win now team this year
Yeah, he built a team this year out of sheer desperation, but – as was my reaction to a blog in which someone defended his tenure (he re-signed the HC and key players when we were clamouring for them to be locked up, he got a young pro bowl calibre QB when he came on the market) – that’s only the minimum I would expect of a good GM. He’s not making much of a case to be a good GM, not least for his inability to recognise positions of need and draft accordingly and/or well to fill them.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
no
clean house! Angelo is the head of the snake.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
Ideally, and this is total fantasy. Bring in Holmgren as GM (big middle finger to packer nation.) Hire Cowher as Head Coach. Shanahan as Offensive Coordinator so he can totally revamp our offense and work more closely with Jay Cutler as an O.C as opposed to head coach where he would be responsible for over seeing the team as a whole. And last but not least bring in Dick Lebeau as our defensive coordinator. Can you immagine it. A stable orginization with a great gm, a defensive minded head coach that embodies the “black and blue bears” mentality, an offensive coordinator that would just make that offense explode and of course with Dick Lebeau at D coordinator, this would be the perfect storm in the windy city. I can even immagine the bears being much more active in bringing in proven free agents to shore up our o line and d line. Chicago Bears 2011 Superbowl champions, who knows it can happen.
by Tribute2Sweetness on Dec 1, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions
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