Could Mike Martz Really Come to Chicago?
by Dane Noble on Nov 25, 2009 9:08 AM CST
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Yesterday, wiltfongjr brought up a name of someone who could replace Ron Turner should the Bears choose to not bring him back: Mike Martz. Well, apparently, this could be more of a realistic chance than originally thought.
A source close to former St.Louis Rams coach Mike Martz, most recently the San Francisco 49ers' offensive coordinator last season, said the architect of The Greatest Show on Turf might finally be headed to Chicago. Martz -- infamously slated to be the offensive coordinator for Dave McGinnis before Michael McCaskey fouled up McGinnis' hiring in 1999 and Dick Jauron came to town -- is an out-of-work coach serving as an analyst for NFL Network and surveying where he might land next.
When asked about working in Chicago, a source said Martz would love to work with Jay Cutler.
Orlando Pace offers his thought on Martz:
''Coach Martz is a big-play guy,'' Pace said. ''He wants the big plays all the time. You have to have a defense that is sound. He's going to put up 30 points a game if he can, but you have to have a defense. We had some instances like that [where the defense was put in tough spots]. But like I said, he's a gambler. He gambles, and it paid off for us a bunch of times.''
Could this really be a possibility in Chicago? We've heard the rumors already that a mix-up might be in order... what do you think? Is there something significant going on here?
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it would seem a logical move
This might be Coach Smith’s last gasp at saving his job, because barring an 0 for the rest of the season performance (and maybe even despite that) he will be our HC next season, so this would cause the least disruption while appearing to do a lot.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
This would be a complete disaster.......
keep Martz away from Chicago at all costs! He is a team cancer on the order of TO. Look what he left in Detroit, STL, and SF. All 3 of those teams are still trying to recover from his “help” on offense. He would ruin Cutler and leave town. His offensive schemes have already been figured out and it would be like trying to resurrect the Tampa2 in Chicago.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
we've kinda already got one
A disaster, that is.
Martz would only be good as a tool for Lovie to save his job.
A gamble.
So I kinda tie it to however long Smith stays.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
He's a little crazy but,
When he left Detroit the team went 0-16 and their offense dropped drastically…
and this year in San Fran the 49ers are having their most success offensively running plays out of the sets that Martz implemented.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 25, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
But the question remains,
If Martz goes to Chicago, will it be now or after the end of the 2009 NFL season?
Too many questions left to address.
If he goes now, I can see him becoming possibly the OC, and then maybe he’ll get promoted if Lovie Smith gets let go once the season ends.
But if he goes to Chicago once the season’s over, and if Lovie Smith is let go, will he be the OC or the HC?
I just don’t know what will happen then. A lot (possibly too much) depends on what happens to Lovie Smith once this season is done. I will say this … bringing Mike Martz to Chicago will make the Bears’ offense much better than it is now.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 25, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Martz
sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen. Mix his high-risk scheme and Cutler, the Bears offense would turn the ball over even more.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Not necessarily.
I think, to a degree, you can tell that Cutler wants to be going downfield early and often, and his best gifts (mobility and armstrength) are woefully underused. The receivers have shown they can get separation downfield, and Jay has shown he can throw it….coach them better and you’ll see big things.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
It's predicated
on them getting separation quickly though. I don’t think that’s a strength of the Bear WRs.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
It's going to be Knox's, I think...
as he gets more and more experience at this level. He also needs to learn to accept the fact that he’s going to get hit a little better. But if he continues to work on his actions as DB’s engage him right away, I think he’ll be able to burn past them when he develops his “go-to move”
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
Knox is a keeper
He’ll continue to grow and progress, but I fear NFL CBs can lockdown on the Bear WRs too easily even with the speed they possess.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Yup.
And another good thing about Knox, besides the speed, is he has actually always been a WR, so it’s not like they are having to teach him the position from the ground up.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Well that's what I'm saying...
…they’re all effectively first year NFL players. Hence the whole “coach them better” part.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
I don't think
Martz is capable of “coaching them better.” Re-tread coaches hardly ever work out for the better.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
I'm not sure I see what you're saying in this instance...
…you honestly believe that Mike Martz cannot do a better job than Ron Turner?
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
I have serious doubts
cause he’s been unsuccessful in his last two stints as OC. Albeit, with slightly less talent than what the Bears have. What really scares me is that the O-line in his scheme has to block very well for it to work effectively. The Bears line is a not a strong-suit right now.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
His lack of success was largely due to personnel
The first of his last two jobs were San Francisco, where he got a 1 year shake with head coaching changes, and was saddled with J.T. O’Sullivan and Shuan Hill. The success they have now comes in very Martz-like formations.
In Detroit, 06-07, people forget that for the first half of the season, the Lions were strong divisional contenders. Jon Kitna threw for 4000 yards in back to back years in Mike Martz’s offense in Detroit. Despite being sacked 114 times in two seasons. The Bears O-Line is bad, but it’s not as bad as that line.
His headcoaching in St. Louis, after he took over for Vermeil, wasn’t always great, but they were a solid team. They won the Super Bowl in his first year as OC there.
I’m not saying bringing him in is going to fix all of the Bears problems, but it’s definitely worth a look. He knows how to run a big-kid offense.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
First in reverse chronology
I really meant to say “most recent”
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
And it was 07 they were contenders.
06 they were 3-13 and terrible defensively, in addition to injury issues.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
With everything I said
I would be OK him coming in for a year anyways. It’s not like the Bears can do much better with a lame-duck coach leading the team.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
exactly my thought, one year
Unless he has delusions of taking over as HC.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
HELL NO!
To Martz!
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
Yep
Talk about a sideline fist-fight waiting to happen.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Gut this damn fish!
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
This like putting a scabby bacteria infested bandage on a axe wound.
''My favorite player growing up was Kevin Garnett and he's now my least favorite player. ''-Joakim Noah
+1
Nice. Was your sig from the playoffs last season where Garnett was yapping like a 5 year-old?
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Mike McCaskey!!!
Man, those were the days. Hey, remember that TEH AWESOME MOVE in getting Rick effing Mirer as QB. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
It doesn't work! It only works if (God Forbid) Lovie's contract is Renewed!
If Martz or anyone else is named to replace Turner & if Lovie is let go one year later, the new HC will want to name his own OC! Two OC’s in two years will really screw-up Cutler! It only works if Lovie’s contract is renewed. So,as I see it, here are our choices: (1) renew Lovie’s contract now (just shoot me); (2) fire Lovie & certain members of his staff before the end of his contract & start anew; or (3) suffer through one more year where, for continuity’s sake, Turner’s contract is extended one more year to coincide with Lovie’s. Choice (1) is dumb. It rewards & perpetuates mediocrity. Choice (2) will cost us lots of extra $ (Lovie’s $11 million or so plus the cost of new staff.) Choice (3) drives me to drink. Can I stand another year like this? Do choice (2)! How much of Lovie’s contract is paid off immediately versus being spread out over a number of years? Almost every organization has to eat a contract now & then. It may not be so bad if the payments have been spread thin.
Another Band Aid fix
Typical Bears move, put another Band Aid on top of a pile of Band Aids instead of cleaning out the wound…….. Pace…. Oh my god your so bad Omayle…… Booker…… Lloyd……2nd round pick for no gaines adams…….. blah blah blah stink stank stunk, your a fowl one, Chicago Bears……you nausiate me Chicago Bears, you really are an eel.
Next home game Rams… wouldn’t it be great when the Bears start to stink it up for a entire Stadium to chant Shanahan!…. Shanahan!…. Shanahan!! ……? let’s let them know how we really feel!!!
DO. NOT. WANT.
n/t
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Just Say No
to Martz!!!! He’s got a head problem….he thinks he’s a coach/co-ordinater, dosent have anything good to say about Cutler that I know of…so yeah, bring in some more disfunction
"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank
Orlando Pace played his glory years under Martz
and he didn’t exactly provide a ringing endorsement. Basically he hinted that we don’t have the defense to pull it off. He’s right. The Bears should forget Martz. Which is exactly why they’ll hire him. Just dump a little more fuel on the fire, we’re going down in a blaze.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Is this what the NFL has been reduced to?
Pining over which fired or retired HC or OC to scrape up? Is there no new talent? Seems like the teams bringing in new talent are prospering 100 fold than the ones shopping the unemployment lines. (Steelers Tomlin, Saints-Payton, Cards-Whisenhunt, Vikes Childress) vrs (Browns-Mangini, Bills- Jauron)
I look at Martz much like the Tampa 2. It’s played out and teams have figured out how to beat it.
That is not to mention the wild and caution to the wind style this guy brings with him. While I am as desperate as any to get rid of Turner, please not this guy.
The Issue Is Lovie! Not the OC!
For Cutler’s sake you can’t bring in a band-aid OC & then replace him with another OC a year later (which is what any worthwhile new HC would do) if Lovie is fired. Fire Lovie at the end of this year & bring in a new HC & pay Lovie off. If the Bears know how to do contracts, Lovie’s remaining $ will be spread over a number of future years. It doesn’t make sense for either the player or the organization to pay a large amount of money all in one year or two to three years. It would be eaten alive by taxes. Take the $ hit! (It may not be so bad if it’s spread out over future years.) Get a new HC, new OC, new DC (TheMan1 is right-everyone’s caught-up with the Cover 2) & start over while Cutler is still alive & a number of good HC applicants are available.
Except for...
…when Grocery Baggers lead the Greatest Show on Turf, or Jon Kitna puts up 4k yards/season. Hell, Shaun Hill completed nearly 63% and threw for over 2,000 yards in half a season last year.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
If your question is "Is Mike Martz pass-happy?"
Then the answer is “Oh god, yes.”
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
Oh hell no then.
Then screw him.We need to run the ball.Get someone else.As long as he is better than turner
Then why'd we get a quarterback with an arm?
The best teams are balanced, but have the ability to go downfield early and often, if need be.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
Like you said
The best teams are balanced.
I want a balance.he will makes predictable.Not as predictable as Turner but still.
I would rather be predictable and scoring points
than be predictable and averaging <3 yards per carry.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
Jay Cutler and Mike Martz together?
And not in a good way either
by Dominique Blanton on Nov 25, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions
Very true.
It sucks that we pretty much have to have our QB’s approval to hire a new coach.
I also hate how a large part of the team income is used to buy his pampers and pacifiers.
Hey!
That was my explosion pic from earlier in the year on the Frank Omiyale thread. He gets “blown up” quicker than Ford Pinto!
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Yes
but Omi was especially getting blown up when that happened.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Martz goes soft on Cutler criticism
I know much has been made of Martz making comments on Jay’s “body language” but the other night on NFL network he was laying the blame on the O-line and the lack of experience at WR, and laying some of it at Jay’s feet as well. Just to prove my point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSAOGNVfX4M
Maybe the whole Martz hates cutler thing is being blown out of proportion?
Your name makes me think BangBus
I think it has—a lot of hype was unnecessarily pushed to Jay Cutler’s feet, and so there was some blowback from people. Seeing Jay struggle now, it’s evident that while he’s making bad decisions, a lot of those decisions are coming under duress.
Notably, duress in the form of D-lineman and linebackers knocking him down constantly.
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
ha ha ha, I know the bangbus well
It’s an inside joke with my wife. For some reason when we put closed captioning on our TV during a a commerical it captions as “BBANGUS”
I'd take martz over tuner anyday
If you remeber rite he did win a superbowl..?? You have a qb that needs passing plays not 2 yard passes…Your supposed to make plays for cutlers arm we dont have orton here anymore..Some of you people are pointing to detriot and sanfran..lol..Pleaseeeee..DId u want him to take those real bad teams to the superbowl..??..this guy would atleast make us a decent passing team and maybe play the o line players at there right positions.We have nuttin to lose anyways tuner cant make calls and the d stinks.The bears wont fire everyone but i would fire lovie and tuner bring in shannahan. I mean why get an arm if your not gonna use it..?
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