Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Vikings Edition
by Dane Noble on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 AM CST
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To end a holiday weekend with Chicago Bears football was probably disappointing for most, but we shouldn't have been surprised at the results. We knew coming in to this game that the Bears were not playing like a very good football team, and that the Vikings were.
If anything, seeing the Bears not even be able to compete with the Vikes should just bring us one step closer to seeing change in Halas Hall.
I was traveling all day yesterday, and was having to depend upon the cell phone to get the play-by-play action, so I couldn't get too much of a feel for what was really going on in the trenches. I've seen the stats, but would like to know more. Can you help?
Let's break the game down into units, and assign a school grade to each. Let me know how each unit performed last night, and if there were any bright spots within:
Offensive Line: Pass coverage/ run blocking
Wide Receivers: Good catches/ drops/ route running
RBs: Were the holes even there?
QB: The good, bad, and ugly
Defensive line: pass rush/ run stuffing/ rotation
- How was Tommie and gaines?
Defensive backs: any bright spots?
Linebackers: Did Williams get worked in at all? Did HH look 100% healthy?
Coaching: Offense, Defense, STs
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I watched the O line and they were pretty bad on run and pass blocking. I understand the rationale for putting Omiyale back in for Beekman (he’s bigger and taller than Beekman against the Williams twins) but that was mostly ineffective. Did anyone else see it differently? The Anthony Adams experiment with blocking on third and one, was good – except that Adams didn’t report as eligible receiver so there was a penalty there. That is good thinking but poor planning and execution. This team is so not ready to play on every front. Poor coaching!! Desmond Clark being out with an injury has been another negative among many. He has really been missed since OIsen continues to disappoint. I thought HH played as well as he could have and fought hard but it was simply not enough.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
You see that picture?
That picture, well really that play, where Manning decided he’d run over to the corner of the end zone- not to tackle Taylor, but to leap over him- represents the whole Bears organization right now. They are going through the motions, without a savage- bloodthirsty- take no prisoners- will to compete. Yeah they play hard. But you have to want it. Except for a handful of players… the Bears don’t want it.
My observations from the game:
Lance Briggs is still a beast.
HH plays with a big heart, but he’s s special teams player.
Harris is returning to form.
Vasher made the most of his time on the field. We have terrible safety’s and it makes the corners look really bad.
Cutler is Cutler.
The Oline is the worst in football.
Unless a change is made at the top, you can expect more of the same. Too bad for Smith, we don’t have another special teams phenom setting the the world on fire.
Also on HH - field awareness
He’s laying all the way out of bounds but still touches the football, taking a fumble away from us.
Also to add a couple things
Harris played a better game this week then he has in recent weeks, i still think the 2 players who played with their hearts today though was Briggs and Brown. When Alex went down early in the second quarter i almost started crying…he is a tough guy though and came back. He made some awesome tackles on AP today as well as pressure Farve a little bit at least with his excellent one on one play.
The defense actually held AP to 25 rushes for 90yards? or something like that. It seems they tried to make a point to stop AP but just did not have an answer for Brett Farve. I have rarely seen a QB look that comfortable in throwing all around the field like Farve did…in my opinion..and i have watched him pretty much his whole carreer (especially against Chicago), he looks even better then he has in the mid 90’s when he won 3 straight MVP awards. The secondary i am convinced could not stop any halfway decent QB and WR corps.
Jay’s Big interception, the one where Earl Bennett was pretty much run over before the ball got there and was popped in the air and intercepted by Jared Allen. Everyone on the field was P—-ed off about the blatent PI, Joe Buck and Tropy Aikman even couldn’t believe it…you know what Lovie did? Yep Absolutely nada, no screaming at the Refs, no pulling the Refs aside, no nothing. Obviously you can’t challenge a non-flag…but you pull the refs to the sidelines and give them a damn earfull..that’s what you do as a Head Coach so maybe the next time that play happens, the Refs have it in the back of their mind and make the right call.
I went to bed after 5 minutes down in the 3rd Quarter because i was not going to lose sleep and be tired at work for no reason at all. It seems the few people actually giving it their all (Forte included) is not getting the reciprocation from the coaches and the rest of the team..it least that’s what i perceieve it as, until i’m proven wrong.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 30, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
I thought the same thing about the Taylor touchdown when I saw the game.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
Lovie, Angelo Must Go!
Their system is a bad fit for Chicago and the Bears.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Ugh
Besides Cutler’s nice touch pass to Knox for our only touchdown, nothing looked good. Well, I did like HH’s play, he does play hard. Making AP fumble is always a favorite of mine. I couldn’t stand Mullet having 2 sacks, an INT and his stupid hog tie celebration. O-line is horrible, what a disappointment. Once again injuries added insult to a bad loss.
Space Mountain on Three; One, Two, Three, Space Mountain!
HH plays hard, but he can't do what is required of him in the D.
He isn’t athletic enough to go from sideline to sideline, and he can’t get deep over the middle on coverage in the cover-2, which is where we get blown up for a big reception a lot now. Think DeSean Jackson last game, and Harvin this game. Maybe I’ve been spoiled watching Brian in the past, but with this many deficiencies on D, there is no room for error from anyone.
true you are right
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
by Maelvampyre on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
it was bad…
I really saw nothing promising,l the Vikings are just too good of a team. Nest week vs. a bad Rams team the Bears will probably win. Hopefully they start to prep for 2010.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 30, 2009 9:16 AM CST reply actions
Urlacher Speaks Out
Don’t know if someone posted this or not…but I thought it was a good article. The best part:
"Look, I love Jay, and I understand he’s a great player who can take
us a long way, and I still have faith in him," Urlacher said. "But I
hate the way our identity has changed. We used to establish the run
and wear teams down and try not to make mistakes, and we’d rely on our
defense to keep us in the game and make big plays to put us in
position to win. Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback,
but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say
it, but that’s the truth."
by ClawsClawsClaws on Nov 30, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions
Urlacher
is he not watching the games? This Defense isn’t capable of stopping any body. What is he talking about? Establish the run? WTF? Helen Keller could tell this team can’t run the football. How do you establish the run when your down 21 pts by halftime Brian? I think Urlacher is stuck in 2006.
he was speaking in the past tense
And he can see that we have gotten away from Bears Football, and I agree with him, we have gotten away from what made us great. I think Urlacher was exactly on point.
No It All said it, Urlacher is the heart of the team and we may have lost the game with him in there but the fight would have been there and the effort.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
by Maelvampyre on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
I can’t stand urlacher anymore. That article was all kinds of irritating.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Nov 30, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
He is right but kind of missing the point
The identity has not been changed. It has been lost. Urlacher is the heart of this team and without him Berrian was right, they are not intimidating.
The biggest question to me is with as many holes as this team has at OL and WR, will Urlacher’s return next year be enough alone to reestablish the Bear’s identity? While I do think there will be great players available in later rounds, we have no high picks and I am opposed to trading anyone ( you need to collect, not leverage playmakers [Hester], look at MIN with Harvin). It is all about Free Agency for us. Same as last offseason we need OL, WR, FS, CB, DT.
Urlacher missing the point?
I guess you would know best. Jeez!
Don't forget
RB and DE! With or without ‘Lach, the end-result would’ve been similar. Depending on if there’s a regime change or not, the personnel has to be evaluated and dissected by someone other than Lovie and JA. They’ve failed miserably over the past three years in player development, drafting, and in free-agency.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Yeah, I commented on the actual post about this in the fanpost section.
He is just frustrated with the the decline of the D, frustrated with the fact that he can’t help while he’s injured on the sidelines, and frustrated that he’s not the Bear’s top star now with Jay on the team. I can’t hate the guy or even be irritated with him. He is lashing out because he cares so much. I wish he would’ve offered some constructive comments, but we all know that isn’t his style.
It sounds like
he is blaming Jay for the change in identity.
1.Turner is to blame for that.
2. if that wasn’t a shot at Jay then he wouldn’t have mention Kyle Orton.
Grades
Offensive Line: F Gave Jay no time to throw and Forte nothing.
Wide Receivers: D ZERO ability to come back on the ball or get open
Running Backs: D Forte looks terrible this year. Not an F because of his receiving
Quarterback: C 78% comp. Made some nice throws. Has shitty team to work with.
Defensive Line: F ZERO pressure. ZERO pressure. ZERO pressure.
Defensive Backs: F Did they even play?
Linebackers: D Briggs is a monster. HH is physically worthless.
Coaching: F- Worst coaching staff in the NFL. Maybe in NFL History!!!
by McRipper on Nov 30, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Ding...ding...ding
You have won. Wrecked.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I'm liking your posts more and more, McRipper.
They’re bitter, but have intelligence and thoughtfulness. Not ranting, just calculated disgust. Exactly how I feel!
Calculated disgust
That’s a great one-liner, and should be used whenever the Bears blow big-time.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Thank You!!
That’s how I am!! I’m a smart ass by nature so my posts are too!! I don’t know a lot about football but I have a pretty good grasp of the basics. To me, that’s what the Bears suffer the most from, doing the basics. This is one of the worst coached teams I’ve ever seen. How many neutral zone infractions can a defense get in one year?
Calculated disgust is perfect!! I enjoy your posts as well!! You seem to have a way of conveying your disgust without being a douche about it like I am most of the times. I should start taking notes!!
Brad Maynard was awesome!
especially his punt that pinned the Vikes deep in their own territory! nevermind the one he shanked earlier. he made up for it with that one. He hit another one inside the 20 as well.
everyone else played like they normally do – piss poor. Orlando Pace is worthless. a revolving door would give Cutler more time. Garza was just as bad. several plays where both of them are standing in the backfield watching Jared Allen and Co. knock down Cutler nearly every series.
who is Matt Forte?
after Alex Brown went down – the D Line pretty much gave up. no push up the middle and nothing off the edges. Briggs played hurt all game and still played well. the secondary is garbage. Harvin and Berrian were able to find holes in the zone and squat and Favre found them easily.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Yeah, that was hard to watch Jared Allen have his way with Pace.
I hate Jared Allen so much, and to watch him wreck our line so effortlessly got me pretty pi**ed. The only thing slowing him down was that he had to run around or through such a massive guy like pace.
1st series on offense
we lost yards on a pass play on second and short (3-4 maybe?) putting us in a tougher 3rd down which we predictably didnt get. should have been a run on 2nd and short.
at the end of the second half Cutler got sacked 3 plays in a row. guys were open he wasnt even looking. He curled up, the hit never came. he unfurled looked around and then curled up and took a hit. It was weak.
We are watching the result
of a series of very poor decisions by this team that really made my head scratch, even when we were a decent team. So much of our money and draft picks went to a defense that, while it’s clear there’s talent, the coaching doesn’t push the players to step up and win games like they used to. I don’t know whether not having Ron Rivera as DC or not having Mike Brown and Brian Urlacher as leaders has exposed this defense to the mediocre system it is, but a few things are clear after watching this game:
1. Both our offense and defense are dangerously predictable. Favre looked like a kid playing Madden throwing in the seams of the defense, converting third and long after third and long. While at the game yesterday, it was almost like I could predict where Minnesota’s receivers would be because the Bears have been exploited in the same way many times this season. Someone like Dick LeBeau manages to keep his defensive scheme fresh year after year because he’s unpredictable. Sure there’s great players, but the scheme is unpredictable, pressure comes from so many different places, etc.. Instead, we play the same way game after game, and offenses know that. As for our offense, there’s a stark contrast between the Vikings offense and the Bears offense. They were completely capable of running their plays with succession, and running non-traditional plays to keep the defense on their feet. Every attempt of Ron Turner’s to deviate from what he usually calls blows up in his face, leaving us predictable.
2. During the Super Bowl, I wondered to myself why the coaching staff didn’t seem to adjust during the duration of the game. We were still in it late, but the coaching staff didn’t make adjustments during the course of the game, and I took it as a bad sign of coaching. Today, this point has become more clear than it ever has. We simply can’t win because our coaches act like if they keep sticking with what they’re doing, it’ll work out eventually. Players and coaches watch too much film and do way too much studying of teams for Lovie Smith and the Bears coaching staff to play their games without adjustments. It’s just plain bad coaching.
3. The stoic thing doesn’t inspire anyone. Even Tony Dungy isn’t a goddamn talking rock like Lovie is. if you’re not going to stand up for your guys, they’re not going to play their hearts out for you. Lovie is missing a queue from the Mike Ditka/Buddy Ryan book of success. This is why a team lacking in abundance of talent like the 49’ers can take the Vikings down to the wire while a team like the Bears gets blown out of the water. Singletary got this lesson from the ’85 Bears. Hell Rivera did too while he was a player.
4. Years of poor management has not only ruined these Bears, but the future doesn’t look good. Angelo’s draft record is horrendous, and finding gems like Lance Briggs doesn’t excuse neglect of offensive drafting (he’s about as good drafting offensive lineman as Al Davis is at drafting, well, anyone at all). He put draft picks into a defense that can’t win us games, and we’re suffering for it. All the Dan Bazuins and Michael Okwos could have gone to an offense that needed lineman or wide receivers. And now, with the prospects of three offensive lineman retiring in the next few years (Garza, Kreutz, Pace), coupled with one sucky overpriced backup (Omaliye) and one guy who actually has a legitimate future on our line (Williams), we are so unbelievably screwed for years to come. The only hope we have right now is that the McCaskeys bring in someone who drafts an NFL team rather than an NFL defense, and rebuilds our line. Until then, we have to hope that Jay Cutler isn’t pummeled to David Carr-like status.
5. The McCaskeys act like all they care about is the bottom line. They remind me of Dell. As long as you sell the product, do just barely enough to make them happy and they’ll keep buying. Hell, if they could outsource the coaching staff to India, I wonder if they would. If you can sell this team to the fans, you don’t have to make them happy with championships. People will buy tickets no matter how bad this team gets, and don’t think that the McCaskey’s don’t know that. They won’t eat Lovie’s contract and hire a decent coach. Cowher and Shanahan are out of our price range. Lovie will get fired, but only when it’s profitable to the McCaskey’s, not when the team needs it.
The future is bleak, but I’m (for better or for worse) a lifetime Bears fan. Here’s to hoping sometime down the road we get owners who are football owners and not business owners, we get coaches who inspire rather than just do, and players who show up on Sundays with the passion to play for something.
by dkguy55 on Nov 30, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Excellent post
I agree with pretty much everything you said there. Except, with ownership.
The McCaskey’s spend money. Period. Be it for Hester, for Urlacher, for Briggs, for Cutler, for Vasher, for Tillman, for Harris, for old veteran washed up offensive tackles or other free agents that haven’t performed. They spend money.
To me, the McCaskeys, God bless them, are like old people who are victimized by scam artists and sleezy salesmen. They have money, everyone knows they have money, and they can easily be fooled into spending it.
The problem is, they put people in charge of the money that don’t know how to evaluate talent, that don’t know how to develop players, or have any idea how to coach either.
So, we’ve spent our nest-egg foolishly and the future is bleak. The only way to dig out of this hole is to bring people in who know what the hell they are doing and hope and pray that the McCaskey’s can find a way to build trust in those they eventually bring in.
Frankly
We don’t have a Robert Kraft or Jim Irsay or Steve Bisciotti as an owner. We’re stuck with the McCaskeys, who just barely get the job done in terms of building a team. Halas is rolling in his grave over these Bears frankly. The ‘85 Bears are a culmination of everything Halas did at the end of his life to put these modern day Bears on track, but we’ve completely deviated from that. Halas saw financial success as a bi-product of winning games, but I feel like these modern-day owners want that financial success more than they want to win, and that bothers me.
Skags, yes they’ve shelled out money for players, but that’s Angelo’s department, not the McCaskey’s. Angelo’s one shining light is his ability to manage the cap well, but that doesn’t fall under the owners’ responsibility per say.
One definite area you can see the McCaskeys nickel and diming their way through is when we first hired Lovie. When we went to the Super Bowl, he was at the time the lowest paid coach in the league. The owners are perfectly content with hiring these passive guys who have some merit, but also come cheap. Before Lovie, they were perfectly content with hiring Dick Jauron and Dave Wontevenbotherspellinghislastname. Anybody notice that the coaches we’ve hired since Ditka have the same passive personality as Mike McCaskey?
The Bears are one of the biggest underachievers in sports
Don’t be fooled by how much the McCaskeys spend on player contracts. They’re making a hell of a lot more $ than they appear to be spending.
And they are definately not comitted to winning. They’re sitting on the second largest market in the NFL, and the team stinks! They know that even when the Bears lose, the fans will keep on buying the product because they’ve got the Chicago market all to themselves.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Oh they spend money
On washed up players, retirement home players, injury prone players, and extended contracts for a flash of talent (which turns into 3 more years of crap playing)
So to summarize what you said
The bears are a shrinky-dink team that will always struggle with a fan base that is too die hard to let them wallow in their own losses without hurting their profits. NICE!!
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Too much faith in their scheme
Lovie and JA have relied on the front-four getting pressure. Without it, the defense has gaping holes down the field in coverage.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
And the team's downfall directly coincides with the degeneration of Harris
When he was at his peak, the defense was dominant.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Bottomline
If they care about the bottomline, Cowher or one of the Super Bowl head coaches makes more sense to generate more $. The expectations will be through the roof like the Cutler acquisition and also keep Bear fans happy for years knowing this team will get better will a proven coach like Cowher calling the shots.
To your point #2, I totally agree.
What SB coach loses the big game when they are spotted 7 points? Thank god for 2006 Devin Hester. Don’t know if we would’ve even been in the super bowl without his returns.
Good point.
It makes you wonder how much Hester continuing to give starting field position near the 50 or putting up points is/was THE plan for 08 and 09.
Lightening in a bottle gets a good team to the championship, but a GM can’t count on it like they seem to have done.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Only positives:
Kickoff returns looked good, except for the Knox fumble.
Maynard had 1 shank, but otherwise hit some nice punts.
Gould’s kickoff’s looked good and he hit a field goal.
Jamar Williams had 1 nice stick, the only hard hit in the game.
Nice work by D to cause 2 fumbles on AP.
I wouldn't bet on Lovie's survival after this year
It’s one thing to lose when you still play hard – it’s quite another when the team looks like it quit before they ran onto the field. You can only play for pride at this point of the season, and this team has tuned Smith and the coaching staff out…forever, it would appear. No way can he come back without a choros of boos and catcalls raining down upon him next year every time his team screws up in Soldier Field. Do you remember Wanny’s last days here? I do, and there’s an eerie simularity to this team and this coach.
Dear Mr.Noble
You asked for a bright spot, well, I have one for you. Unfortunately, it was not for the bears. Actually, it had something to do with the bears, in terms of their inept front office and not willing to try to make pick ups that would help the team. So heres the bright spot: did you see the cincy game? You probably didnt, but let me just give you one stat from that game…Larry Johnson carried 22 times for 107 yards….Pretty good for a washed up homophobe right?? Yea, i think so too. Well, i waited for a chance like this to tell you when you were arguing against LJ. Happy Holidays chief!!!!
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Seriously?
You’re going to jump into something completely unrelated just to be petty? LJ was good yesterday, maybe because Cincinnati has a better O-Line than we do? Yes, better O-Line leads to better RB production. Shocking, isn’t it.
Here’s a real bright spot. Jay didn’t get murdered by Allen yesterday, only sacked twice.
you say O-line, I say Forte
Forte’s rookie season is looking like a fluke now. So how do you explain Steven Jackson’s numbers in st. louis? His O-line is prob just as bad if not worse than “da bears”…But he runs hard, has better vision, and amazingly breaks tackles, something I haven’t seen forte do all season. They dropped the ball not picking up LJ, is all my point is. You have your opinion and so do i…..
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
...S-Jax?
If it were Forte, I think we’d be seeing a lot more of Bell than we are.
But face it. We don’t run-block, we don’t pass-block, nuthin’.
S-Jax? You’re asking me to compare that beast to Forte? Dude, no comparison, S-Jax is simply better and is literally the only thing that team has going for it, and he’s had more experience than Forte’s got. EVERYTHING runs through S-Jax. Would I rather have S-Jax over Forte? Maybe. (raising hand as a proud S-Jax fantasy owner)
Forte had a good year last year. It wasn’t the awesome year that it’s made out to be, but it was a solid year. And the O-Line got worse, so of course Forte’s stats suffer as a result.
Look more at KC. LJ was in pretty much the same situation as S-Jax there – only legit option, bad O-line. LJ was no better than Forte there in KC – and look at Jamaal Charles there, performing better. Move LJ to a better O-Line, LJ performs better. If LJ still had any true ability to make his own plays, I might agree with you. Didn’t see it at all.
touche'
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
You’re going to jump into something completely unrelated just to be petty?
You haven’t see many of chi_til_eye_die’s contributions to WCG, have you?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Yeah
I think I’ve shot a few of them down myself. I know we’ve gone at it over this LJ topic at least twice.
by SJS_illini on Dec 1, 2009 2:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LJ
The Benglas played the Browns yesterday, even we beat the Browns. Remember the glory days? Haha, our last win seems so long ago. LJ is not the answer for this team and as long as Benson is not running the ball, I could care less what LJ is doing.
Space Mountain on Three; One, Two, Three, Space Mountain!
Cowher onboard will generate more dollars then Lovie's $11 million
The Bears accountants and businessmen should see getting Cowher as a lucrative acquisition than keeping Lovie onboard. True, Lovie is owed about $11 million for the remaining 2 years of his contract. But the uproar of having Cowher as the coach and GM would definitely put more money in the pockets of Bears management in a multitude of ways than the $11 million owed to Lovie. Remember not too long ago, when the Bears uncharacteristically traded for Cutler, this town went crazy. That acquisition drove more fans to Bears’ camp than any player or coach in history. I’m willing to bet the Bears netted more dollar than any previous year when the trade for Cutler was made. With Cowher and Cutler, then the reconstruction of the Bears roster will have Bears gear falling off the shelf. However, if the Bears keep Lovie, next year expectation will be zero and less money pouring into coffers with the belief 2010 and on will be worse. Especially when the top head coaches are off the market. Cowher will breath belief that this team will be competitive for a very long time.
I agree on the dollars aspect of your post, but I disagree with anyone coming in as HC/GM
It’s been pretty much proven over the last several years with many teams that it is too much for one person to handle successfully. It was tried by Holmgren in Seattle, Jimmy Johnson in Miami, and a few others, none of them were successful. Today’s NFL is too large and too much of a business to let one man do both jobs. Obviously, there are some coaches who have more input than others regarding personnel, but with everything that is involved in the GM positon, I wouldn’ t want the Bears to go down that road. The same thing with the HC position, look how well our HC/DC has worked out.
The successful organizations have all the postitions in place and a cohesive group that does each of their respective jobs well.
Agree
I understand that, but after Googling Steele org structure Kevin Colbert worked with Cowher to build that team. I don’t know how much Cowher had in the decision making process of picking the groceries (players). The Steelers’ first-round picks from 2002-06 compare favorably with just about any other team’s: Simmons, Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes. Five starters, two Pro Bowlers, two more players who have made a significant contribution and are close to Pro Bowl quality, and one other starter.
I can’t imagine Cowher coming to the Bears with Angelo and Ted in place. So if he decide to come the upper management GM needs to be worked out.
You're right.
I feel that the Bears have to take a page from the Chicao Blackhawks playbook and bring in a guy like John McDonough. A lot of people just thought of him as a marketing guy, but it turns out he is a great sports executive. He holds EVERYONE in the organization accountable and put real hockey people in place to run the “hockey” part of the organization. He, along with Rocky Wirtz, has turned one ot the worst organizations in all of pro sports into a real up and comer.
The Bears need someone like that in Phillips place who will bring in “football” people to do their jobs as GM and as Head Coach, then hold each of them accountable for their areas of responsibility.
Like
a talent evaluator with a proven track-record? Phillips and JA need to go if Cowher is brought in as HC.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Nothing was good
Except for the Knox TD pass in the 1st quarter. I saw T. Harris make a nice stop on AP as well. Everything else was complete and utter garbage, including Lovie not arguing or at least talking to the officials after Jay’s second INT- interference X 10. The defense allowed the quick slant, post, and everything inside the hashmarks for easy completions. The offensive line was horrid- Shaffer replaced Pace in the second half, but why wasn’t Williams shifted to LT? I really want to see him against one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL. Kreutz got blown up more than once against the “Wall.” Forte was Forte….he showed how slow he really is compared to the arsenal the Vikes have on offense. Hester was practically non-existent. Olsen had a decent first half, but him and everyone else was shutdown in the second half- 3 yards on 12 plays!! :(
Dexter was awesome though.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 30, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Trinity
He should be renamed to the “Quatro” killer.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Yeah
That guy’s a sicko!! It’s starting to get really good!! Too bad that reporter ended up being a sicko too!! She’s smoking hot!!!
Yes she is
I’m sure Quinn is a little upset after her arrest. He’ll get over it though….he seems pretty shallow to me.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Definitely
Quinn is a scumbag! Dexter knows it! I think something might happen next season between them two!! Kind of like him and Dokes!!
I don’t know how I feel yet about the family angle with Dexter. Is he going to change and stop killing people after he gets Trinity? I think this season was kind of boring the first couple shows but has really gotten good. I liked it more when he was cutting people up!!
I believe
he’s learning to live with his family, and operating his “dark passenger” within that dynamic. That’s why he flat-out refused to kill Trinity right away, cause he was learning from him.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Oh sure
I understand why. I just don’t know if I like that direction!! I’m sure when the season’s over, I’ll be saying differently.
This season is turning out to be pretty crazy
The preview for next week looks awesome. Trinity following Dex around to his home and work. I’m not sure why it took him so long become suspicious of him though. Dex is going to have to tip-toe around the his own department more than ever to finish him off.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
That's what I love
Every season, Dexter is so close to being found out for what he really is, then he throws them off his trail. There’s 2 episodes left I think and it looks like it’s going to be crazy as hell!!
We netted 2 yard in the second half.
That says it all.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
that has to be some record of some sort right? 2 f'n yards?? Is that even possible?
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Well, IIRC....
The Bears held the Patriots to negative yards in the first half of Super Bowl 20, didn’t they?
"I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule."-Randal Graves
Another thing
Who the F*CK is in charge of telling Lovie to challenge plays? That person should be hung by his balls from the Soldier Field scoreboard!!!
oh, heres another bright spot
when cutler came up and pushed that mic out of his face, awesome!
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions
and apparently he runs better and harder than forte, make him the RB
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
that would be so sweet! (in cartman's voice)
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Kreutz is done. Oline is the Cornerstone of issues. Run and Pass
On the play where Williams bust through the line to sack Cutler, but got wiped out pass interference or secondary call on the Vikings. But I couldn’t help but notice how Pat Williams spuns Kreutz 180 like a turnstile to get Cutler. The Bears might need as many as 4 linemen to fix the protection issues on this team.
I don't know if anyone has yet touched on this
but, Gaines Adams
1. looks like a Corner Back out there with the big boys
2. has ZERO penetration
i dont even know that i can say i hope they can coach him up in the offseason, not with that 2nd round pick we could be using on (pick a position)
when we have Izzy, Gilbert, Melton next year.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 30, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions
Now Profootballweekly is confirming 670's rumors.
Looks like the McCaskey’s have contacted Cowher’s peeps. Link
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
A ray of shining light...
I would prefer Shanahan over Cowher, but I wouldn’t complain if we got Cowher to come in. I would be shouting for joy. Cowher fits the Chicago mold better, but I think Shanahan would get the most out of Cutler and crew.
wow
imagine being lost in a raging sea for days, weeks, months…no food, no water, no hope… then suddenly, from afar off distance…something….shimmering, bright….could it be? Should hopes be turned up? Can it possibly be? A rescue vessel, coming to lift you out of the sure grip of death…yes, it is…the SS Cowher!!!!
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone know
if Cowher would want total control of football operations? I was a supporter of both JA and Lovie, but they both need to go, cause the former hasn’t done much of anything in the past three years.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
Usually, I hate the idea of a combined GM/HC.
In this case, I’d make an exception.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
I agree with you.
And I could care less what Cowher asks for. Give it to him and if it’s to much for him to handle let him pick a GM. I was all on the Lovie bandwagon but their lack of coaching across the board is hard to overlook.
Going from 3-1 to this...
Absolutely disgusting…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
Now let the McCaskeys be as sensible as Notre Dame
Charlie Weis is now available for an OC job
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I was going to say the same thing, that he might be some1 to look at as OC
but the way things go on here, i kept quiet and waited for some1 else to bring that up…..The door of opportunity is opened (cowher and weis)…..are the bears smart enough to or ballsy enough to step through it? We shall see……
"All they do is mock me, just like they did the fat fellow. All the time mocking, mocking, mocking, mocking all the time! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock "---Babu Bhatt in the Seinfeld Finale Part 2
P.S.
"The fact of the matter is the chicago bulls have never been a contender since I left..."----Johnny Kilroy
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
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