Weis to Chicago? Is it possible?
It’s been discussed before here at WCG, and I’ve been thinking about it a lot, but until recently it was only conjecture to talk about Charlie Weis as a possible OC/HC for the Bears. Today brings reports not only of his firing, but also, of apparent interest from as many as 6 NFL teams in securing his services as OC (we can only guess who; Carolina, Cleveland, KC?). So now I’m really considering this option for the Bears, and I’m considering a few things here: first, would Charlie Weis even accept the OC role in Chicago IF offered to him, AND, second, would he be a good fit for the Bears if he did?
Taking the first point, I think there are serious hurdles to get Charlie Weis here. First off, I think the fact that South Bend Indiana is essentially the extended Chicagoland area, Charlie and ND fans might be mutual in there hopes of note seeing each other on Sundays the same as Saturdays. My grandparents were Bears/ND fans, and I'm sure many of you know Bears/Irish fans, so it would seem like after the debacle in ND with the alumni (remember the billboard?) Charlie might want to get as far away from this place as possible. That being said, we also have to assume Charlie would WANT to be an OC in Chicago where Offensive Coordinators have never really existed. He was an OC in NE with one of the greatest teams in NFL history, would he want to join this shipwreck of an offense as it's savior after being heralded and then crestfallen as the savior of ND football or would he want an easier return in a friendlier place? Like Weis, Mangini and Crennel have looked horrible away from Daddy Belicheck and only McDaniels is really being successful so might Charlie want to win some favor BACK before trying his luck somewhere adventurous? KC has Matt Cassel and other teams have pieces or personnel he might favor more, but I can't think of one reason aside from Money he'd even coach here if given the chance. IF he did manage to get past all that, there is still his health and issue which I think is still the biggest hurdle for him. He seems like, even if ND had a great season, he'd need a season off. That being said, ND didn't have a good season and his time there has to have given him either hives, nervous shakes, ulcers or all of the above. I still think he takes a season off, which might put him right in place to replace Turner (or Martz) under a new HC after the Bears give this joke of a staff another season.
As for the other point of consideration; whether he would be a good choice for Chicago, I've given it more thought, but have less answers.
First off is Cutler, we all recognizing he's the franchise now and we need someone who can tailor an offense to him, as well as develop him as a QB. For the latter I think Weis is the man. I've read articles where he's been accused of being somewhat of an a-hole and wouldn't mesh well with Cutler, but I reject that as I see a track record of Weis doing well with QBs. At ND Charlie got the best out of Brady Quinn, possibly the best we might ever see of him, and that was following a woeful season at the hands of Willingham. Next is Clausen who had a few poor showings his Frosh year after arriving to much hype (like Cutler) but Weis settled him down for a decent Sophomore season (QB rating and numbers all went up) and he was a midseason All American this year as well. In the NFL we see Weis working with Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, though I can't pretend to know how much impact he had there, but suffice to say he ran system that suited them both well.
That being said (I say that a lot) I believe it's that system which Charlie runs which would be most beneficial to the Bears, albeit with new personnel on the field. Charlie's system is the antithesis of the West Coast offense, it favors using the run to setup the pass, and using play action and run fakes to setup deep throws. This sounds like Cutler, this sounds like what Cutler ran in Denver (and it's what Denver runs now), and I think, with the right personnel behind him, this would benefit Cutler greatly. Allow Cutler and the pass offense to dictate the game, pass on first down like the Colts and Saints, use that arm of his to get the distance the Bears used to rely on big name backs to do for them. Weis in NE used the speed and mismatches of Moss and Welker to throw everything they could at defenses, often not even lining up a tailback (shocking to most Bears fans, I know). We've seen Jay run this in sort of wide open offense in Denver with much success, and if the Bears can manage to get a big time wideout (and an o-line), they could easily do something like this with Bennet, Knox, Hester, and Olsen being freed up.
With this playing style also comes the system of coaching which Belicheck preaches. We’ve all opined for a Singletary or Cowher to come wakes us from the slumber of Lovie's "droopy the dog" coaching style, but I think Weis would bring that in a way. Those Patriot teams were hard working, team oriented, well disciplined teams who were made to believe they were as good as we thought they were. We see McDaniels working wonders with that system in Denver, and while Weis isn't exactly Ditka on the sidelines, he grimaces, yells, and shows emotion unlike Lovie, we know he's watching, know he's paying attention. What you don't get in guys like Cowher and Singletary is the offensive mind of Weis, and I think that combined with his experiences under Parcels and Belicheck will bring a good atmosphere to the locker room.
Obviously it's a lot of ifs and buts, and I don't think Weis saves this team by himself, but I do think he's a good fit here in Chicago.
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Nit Pick
Welker and Moss both joined the team in 2007. Weis left the Patriots after the 2004 season!!
To be honest, the Patriots offense wasn’t overly great when he was there. It wasn’t until the addition of Moss and Welker that Brady started lighting up the scoreboard. They were always good, but I wouldn’t consider them great offensively under Weis. They won when it matter but I think that was a testament of Belicheck more than Weis!!
hate to nit pick back but....
The offensive system Weis installed in NE is still used there today so a lot of the passing spreads you saw Moss and Brady become so successful with were part of what Weis brought in.. McDaniels uses it in Denver as well. If you watched Irish football at all this year you’d have seen some plays that look strikingly like what NE was running that 18-1 season.
I don't know NE enough
so I’ll take your word that they still use some of Weis’ system. But that’s not what you said. You said “Weis in NE used the speed and mismatches of Moss and Welker to throw everything they could at defenses, often not even lining up a tailback” I was simply stating that Welker and Moss were not even on the team while Weis was there!
no, you're right
I didn’t word that correctly. Basically, the system Weis brought to NE and WOULD bring to Chicago is the system that has had so much success with the pass in NE now, even once Weis has left. Former Belicheck butt-buddies are doing it all over the league, not just Weis. Fox in Carolina, and I think they run it in KC as well. It’s fun to watch. I thought it would lend itself better to college for Weis, but I think he uses his sytem too much for college. College football is a game that requires a coach to adapt to lots of different schemes, I think Charlie was a system guy and couldn’t think outside it.
Let me say this
I am a Irish/Bears fan. I wanted him out just as much as anybody. But on the contrary, I would like to see him be the play caller for the Bears. I dont think he is quite the coach, but I think he can call a good game. He would be more innovative than Turner. Wait….. Who wouldn’t? As I think about it, he would be an improvement, but I think we can get better. In addition, I think the price for Weis would not be the greatest value pick for an OC for the Bears.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
Intriguing idea
as long as Jay would accept working in the same system he wanted no part of in Denver, which I’ve thought all along is exactly what he needs to live up to all expectations. Weis could be a perfect match, in that respect. He’s older than McD and would probably be a little more paternal and patient than McDaniels was.
Although I suspect Jay is going to be placing a call to Mike Shanahan after the season to try to coax him to Chicago. If you want him, Shanny will be a legitimate contender for the vacancy for the reasons ltb articulated here.
Either way, it would be blast watching Chicago under one of those brilliant men.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
I hadn't thought about that
Was Jay’s beef with McDaniel’s system or was that a cover for him being pissed about the trade talk stuff? If he really didn’t like the system, then yeah, I’m guessing Charlie Weis might not be the answer.
It was probably more the coach than the system he didn't like
I have a feeling that on their first meeting he sat Jay down and openly critiqued many of the things we’ve been talking about, and it didn’t go over well.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 1, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
especially since he had probably been led to believe Shanny was going to give him a huge extension this year. Just my gut feeling on the real reason things went sour.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 1, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
thats how it seemed anyway
Not sure what you’ve heard in CO but they (media) paint McDaniels with the same “egotistical A-hole” brush they give to Belicheck and all his cronies. I can see how that might clash with Cutler.
I'm in MT : )
and at the pro level, I think everyone has a bit of “egotistical A-hole” in them. Shanahan definitely does. ; ) It’s part of the thick skin you need to have when you have a high profile. But in no way does it preclude humility. And you definitely can’t be a leader of men in the NFL without that.
McDaniels is fine. He’s young and passionate and emotive, a real breath of fresh air after Shanahan. When you say some of the things he says and you’re young and in charge, some people think you’re an A-hole. When you’re an old guy and say the same things, you have character. Those are the breaks. I don’t think he coaches for adulation.
Anyway, if Cutler accepts him and learns from him and responds well to his inevitable critique, Weis could be just as good for him as Shanahan, in my view.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 1, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions

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