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Angelo's Drafting Prowess Not Seen On Offensive Line

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After thinking this morning about the three not-so-savvy free agent OL acquisitions (Orlando Pace, Frank Omiyale, and Kevin Shaffer) Jerry Angelo brought to Chicago this past offseason, I started wondering about how he has addressed the OL through the draft.

Angelo is, of course, known as a "build through the draft" GM, and many will agree that, in building a team, it all starts in the trenches with the big guys. Lucky for me, I didn't have to do too much research, because Bob LeGere of the Daily Herald covered the topic today.

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Since 2003, Jerry Angelo has drafted 8 offensive linemen out of 81 total picks through that span.  Not a very high percentage, but then LeGere shows us where those 8 picks have been:

Year Player Round Total picks
2009 Lance Louis 7 9
2008 C. Williams 1 7
2008 C. Adams 7 7
2008 Kirk Barton 7 7
2007 J. Beekman 4 9
2007 Aaron Brandt 7 9
2006 Tyler Reed 6 7
2005 None N/A 6
2004 None N/A 8
2003 B. Anderson 7 12

Besides Chris Williams in 2008, only one lineman has been drafted higher than the 6th round (Josh Beekman).  And as you can see, in two of those years, we didn't select any.  Not exactly building the foundation via the draft like he is known for, is it?

LeGere does go on to make sure we remember that Angelo has had success in the draft...

That's not to condemn Angelo's drafting record.  The team's topfive receivers- Devin Hester, Earl Bennett, Matt Forte, Johnny Knox, and Greg Olsen- are all Angelo draft picks.

So are six of the top seven tacklers: Lance Briggs, Danieal Manning, Al Afalava, Charles Tillman, Zack Bowman, Alex Brown, Tommie Harris, and Marcus Harrison.

It also hasn't been long since Angelo was ranked the #8 General Manager in all of professional sports by Forbes, and third best in the NFL. But, the fact remains that Angelo has not addressed the OL in the draft, and the most recent free agent pick ups have not been worth the time.  

It would seem to me that, if he was so "fixated" on getting the QB position right, he would also be fixated on protecting him.  You can bet that Jay Cutler is already in someone's ears, telling the organization that this is not going to cut it.

Larry Meyer, senior writer at the Bears official site, sat down for his weekly meeting with Angelo today, and Mayer asked Angelo about scouting for talent:

LM: During the season, how actively do you look to sign players to your 53-man roster that are on other teams’ practice squads or are street free agents?

JA: Very actively. I think we’ve got a very good track record of doing that. We are looking for players all the time that fit what we do to create more competition at positions. To me, we do that as well as anybody. We are always actively looking at bringing players on board. But you can’t do it as a revolving door. If you bring a player in, it’s because you saw something—what he did in college or in the NFL. When you bring him in, there’s got to be a plan for him. These aren’t auditions. We want to bring them in, and further their development. So there has to be a plan. We just don’t pick guys up randomly, bring them in for a couple weeks and then send then down the road. We don’t operate that way. It’s not about collecting talent, it’s about finding players that fit what we do and feel we can win with.

I'm not saying that I don't trust Angelo, but it just doesn't feel very good to get a QB like Cutler, only to have not addressed his protection through the draft or free agency very effectively.

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I would have Angelo sit out this draft..

hire an offensive guru for scouting offensive line man and just use all 5 picks on the offensive line.

by SoulEater7 on Nov 4, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

angelo's argument

is the boom to bust issue with linemen, plus the time it takes for some of them to learn the pro game. thus, he prefers shopping for them over drafting them. but, the fact is, good linemen don’t really become available that often. hence, we had to settle for pace and omiyale, neither of which were bad signings, but the fact is, you don’t get a lot of top o-linemen really available. angelo is going to have to re-evaluate this – hopefully we can nab a good guard or two in free agency, but otherwise, the draft is becoming the way to go for building a line.

by guy incognito on Nov 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Offensive Linemen are a lot less of a boom/bust commodity

than other positions he’s focused on early. Two DEs (Bauzuin and Haynes), a QB (Grossman), a corner (Roosevelt Williams), a linebacker (Okwo), etc., all show how easy it is to get a bust from a pick in the first three rounds.

Linemen usually don’t disappoint unless they’re injured. This is because scouts can watch them do their thing on every play, and aren’t as easily swayed by a handful of highlights. If you can’t block, that will be clear on the tape eventually. Hell, even Marc Colombo, who Angelo was panned for drafting, became a long-term starter for some pretty good Dallas teams.

Angelo neglected this position, no getting around it.

by Orval Overall on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't say that tihs current line,

or our offensive lines of recent history, have been terribly impressive. But, I can’t say that drafting a lineman highly is a good idea either. Consider the Colts, who rarely, if ever pick a lineman on the first day, yet have had one of the greatest ensembles over the last 3 to 5 years.

I believe there is talent in the later rounds, but it also takes luck and good scouting. I just think the luck part may be playing against us right (or, over the last 2 or 3 years).

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by B Ray on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Most of the Colts success

is due because the man doing the passing. He makes his line look exceptional with his quick release and decision-making. With that said, JA will hopefully target a guard and/or a RT in free agency next year.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your second part, certainly.

We should look to improve somehow. But Manning — indeed — can’t throw nearly as well when he get’s flushed out (I played the line in high school, and I’m pretty sure I could beat him in a footrace). The Colts don’t run a fast-pass, West Coast, or spread type offense. They come out with a basic 3 WRs, 1 RB, and 1 (freakish) TE almost every down. They’re success is a balance — I believe — between a smart quarterback and an undeniably good-to-great OL.

All I’m really saying is that I think success CAN be found in lower rounds.

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by B Ray on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not at tackle it can't

Guard maybe, but tackle usually within the first two maybe three rounds max.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe there is talent in the later rounds, but it also takes luck and good scouting. I just think the luck part may be playing against us right (or, over the last 2 or 3 years).

To be fair, the talent is playing against us, too, while we make do with cast-offs.

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by Spongie on Nov 5, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Larry

asked him about the offensive line concerns. Pretty much a “rag-tag” group of guys right now underperforming.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know if the Bears are actually starting at a "special time" this week???

I had heard they will be starting at 11am not 12, is there any truth to this??

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think it's just the FOX pre game show

that is starting an hour early. Going to be a 2 hour show instead of one. They’re gonna be doing it with the troops in Afghanistan…

by David in Maine on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is A LOT off topic but I have a question and thought maybe one of you knew the answer.

With Urlacher on IR and others unable to perform, what happens to the non guaranteed portion of their salary? In other words, what kind of impact will this have (or is having) on our salary cap? Thanks and I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.

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by Just Dave on Nov 4, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ron Turner

I know that the offensive line is less than impressive, but does anyone have a doubt that if you did put someone like Payton Manning under center that the offensive line would be much improved? To me this still goes back to Ron Turner. The play calls need to get to our QB quickly so that Jay Cutler has the time to make pre-snap reads and get his line in the right places. Perhaps a no-huddle offense to allow Jay to do the same? I just feel like Jay Cutler is getting up to the line of scrimmage with 7 seconds to make the snap and get going and really, he probably needs 12- 15 seconds to look around and get people in the right positions.

Just, for the love of god, Ron, get creative and do your job.

by ClawsClawsClaws on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Its the runblocking too

If they had any kind of push up front against Atlanta, we win that game on the possession that had Forte fumbling twice from the 1. On both plays they ran, he had no chance of getting into the end zone. That would never happen to Minnesota.

by Orval Overall on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

It seems like Jay just needs to get some momentum (Seattle comes to mind), and Ron getting the plays in late doesn’t help. Quicker play calling may have minimized some of those mistakes too (who was supposed to block Wimbley???). The regular play calling is predictable, but when he got creative it was still bad. The wildcat and delayed screens on red zone plays? WTF?

by TrialsBass on Nov 4, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Angelo's drafting prowess is absent at more positions than OL.

QB, WR, TE, RB, DE. He hasn’t drafted a quality QB yet and his receivers throughout his tenure have been pretty awful(the only quality one he’s drafted with some sustained success is Bernard Berrian.) Olsen is coming dangerously close to bust territory, relative to his draft position. Forte has had one pretty good year, but when you go and look back at last season, it’s not like he was a pro-bowl type back, just a pretty solid one. Alex Brown has been his only good defensive end draft pick, and he’s more of a complimentary guy than game changer.
Since 2001, twelve of his draft picks are current Bears starters, and aside from Briggs, Tillman, Forte and Hester, most of them are just guys.
I realize I’m being hard on Jerry and I haven’t touched on the fact that several of his draft picks are starting for other teams or were traded for current assets(Cutler), but I feel as if Jerry is getting a bit of a free pass.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but for his draft position I would say the Bears didn't such a good job.

Every team knew how good Harris was, they chose to pass over him due to injury concerns. They were right. We got 3, maybe 4 good years from Tommy. That’s not enough from a 14th overall pick.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 4, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler could do an amazing job with the Bears if he had a decent o-line....

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 4, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A good offensive line makes ...

A good offensive line makes any quarterback better (although I am not sure it is possible in Oakland). I think Cutler would be much better … but “amazing” might be a little much.

by Hank44 on Nov 4, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler has talent

JaMarcus does not.

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 4, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jamarcus does have talent.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 4, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he does.

The man is one of the world’s foremost quilters. You can read about here Link just look up the article “Raider turned quilt maker”.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Nov 4, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!!!!

I now know how to make LINKS!! YES!! ok, no big thing but a personal triumph nonetheless.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Nov 4, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird.

And congrats on the linkization.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to admit you're right

As awful as it is to say Jamarcus Russel has talent. He needed a team with structure, leadership and discipline to develop it, and ended up in the Al Davis Black Hole for Talent Squad Raiders.

by TrialsBass on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2009 Draft: What Could Have Been

Great piece by Legere. Really an indictment on the Bears FO.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but is it too much to ask our front office for a little foresight? After all, that is what they are paid millions and millions to do, right?

With that in mind, have a look at this below (and keep in mind that our first two picks-Gilbert & Iglesias— are consistently coming to Bear’s games in street clothes)

Between where we could have used our first pick in last April’s draft (#49) and our second pick (#99) there are 08 offensive linemen who were drafted and all of them are STARTING for quality teams except one who got injured in the off season.

They include:

  1. Max Unger- Center/Guard, Starting Guard for Seahawks
  1. Andy Levitre- Guard, Started every game this season for the Bills
  1. Phil Loadholt—Tackle, Starting RT for the Vikings
  1. Sebastian Vollmer, Now starting at LT in place of injured Matt Lite (and protecting Brady’s blind side) and doing well.
  1. William Beatty: Tackle. Starting at RT for NY Giants in place of injured vet Kareem McKenzie, also holding his own.
  1. Robert Brewster: Suffered a pec injury in off-season and has been on IR ever since being drafted by Dalas at #75

#77: Antoine Caldwell: Now starting guard for Houston Texans after injury to Mike Brisiel

  1. Louis Vasquez. Starting every game for San Diego at RG. Dude’s a beast.

Also of note (post Melton picks):

  1. Jonathan Luigs— Backup Center on Bengals. Has played, but not started, in every game and he is on one of the best OL’s in the league.
  2. TJ Lang, now starting LT for the Packers

by The Kaiser on Nov 5, 2009 7:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Number formatting got screwed up...

Somehow, the scripts didn’t like my number formating and replaced my numbers with a bunch of "1"s but suffice to say, Unger was Pick #49 and Lang was pick #106 and the rest of the guys fell in between. If you want to look it up, it is easy to do so.

by The Kaiser on Nov 5, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I’m still not totally convinced it’s the talent level as much as it is the ability to develop the players and the scheme we run. Our O-line has been terrible for years and I think you’d almost have to try to miss on that many players to be this bad so consistantly. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t necessarily think these guys are good-to-great, but I’d really like to see what they could do under a different coaching staff and blocking scheme.

by BearFan611 on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbert, sure...

But can you imaging the uproar if we hadn’t chosen a WR in the draft. The off-season was a crazy one, filled with “yeah, but who’s Cutler gonna throw to?”.

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by smudgers on Nov 6, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

Caldwell would’ve been a decent pick up. As much as our coaches praise versatility, I believe Caldwell played every position on the line at Bama. Definitely wouldn’t mind him being at guard right now.

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by Acreman20 on Nov 5, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we definately blew it when we didn't try to get some O-line help with one of the first 3 picks

And I was surprised that we took D-lineman in 2 of them. It’s also kind of funny how our receivers ended up working out okay. I wonder if Iglesius ever ends up seeing the field? Of course hindsight is always 20/20.

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by JimmyMack on Nov 5, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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