The Quotable Bears - Week Nine
by ChiFan13 on Nov 8, 2009 7:39 PM CST
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PrintI returned from northern Minnesota today after an unsuccessful deer opener, and I got to my girlfriend's house around 12.30. I was checking on the game through my iPhone and texts from friends. I went inside and realized that the Bears weren't playing on any of the Minneapolis Fox affiliates. In all honesty, I think that was good. I talked with my mom and my dad to see what had happened. They both said was that Olsen and Hester were ok, Cutler did pretty well, but the OL and DL were awful. Judging from what's going on here, I'd have to say that their assessment was pretty solid.
First, I'm going to talk about Tommie Harris, a thought on Lovie Smith, and finish up with the quotes. Follow me inside.
Let me say that I want Tommie Harris suspended for a few games by the NFL. That was a bullshit move on his part. Punching a player who is down on the ground is the sign of a sure pansy. Way to be a big man, Tommie.
One of the only positive things about this game is that Tommie has driven that nail through the coffin - he won't be a Bear next year. Since 2007, we haven't been getting a lot out of him. The problem with Tommie is twofold: Players don't regress that quickly. There's no reason for it, whether it was due to the payday or his knees. His knees aren't in the best of health. Do I believe that he got paid and decided to quit? No, I really don't. Do I think that his knees have completely given up? No, I don't believe that either. I think it's a mixture of both. I know that until Lovie sat him down in the Cincinnati game, he didn't practice that often. That was a source of consternation for us throughout the offseason, and Tommie still didn't practice until Lovie sat him. And looking at all we have to upgrade, I think you'll see that Tommie Harris will be an ex-Bear. If they're focused on getting the OL and DL fixed, you have to go out and get rid of waste. We're well under the cap - get rid of waste (Tommie) and go from there. This isn't an offseason to hang around and be under the cap, we can
Good coaching is all about preparing your players, making sure they're motivated, and executing what they're told to do. Before this year, I never really had a problem with how Lovie prepared. As we all know, a big problem last year was that we prepared and were too rigid in our playcalling - we'd start hot and then not make any second-half adjustments. I don't care which 2009 game you look at, but we start out lethargic. Good coaches make sure their players play with a sense of urgency, and that hasn't happened this year. That, in my opinion, is disappointing.
I know one of the things that everyone's going to be talking about (and rightfully so) is the rest of the schedule and where we go from here. I'm not calling for Lovie's head. At the same time, I believe that if we continue melting down the rest of the way like we have, Lovie will probably be the coach in 2010, but it wouldn't shock me if Jerry axed him.
I'm sure some of y'all are looking forward to Lovie Smith's press conferences and somehow try to objectively critique his fire and passion. Bottom line: Everybody wants to win. Whatever you do, you want to win and do a good job. If you're a lawyer, you want to win every case. If you're doctor, you want to cure every patient. Whatever your occupation, you want to do a good job. I have a hard time believing that just because Lovie doesn't show emotion, that's a sign he's apathetic or he doesn't care. That's just wrong. He wants to win, everybody in the Bears organization wants to win. Some people just don't show emotion, and that's ok. I have no problem with him not showing any emotion, that's fine with me. At the same time, I don't want to hear the bland answers at pressers.
I know Bill Belichick has been dishonest when talking in press conferences, and that's fine. He's Bill Belichick and he has earned the right to do what he wants to. It's saddening to see this team, who we thought would look like a cleaner product on the field regress horribly. Just please, don't start the fire and passion arguments. It's a used, worn-down, and absolutely unsubstantiated. He has passion to be a head coach, he wants to win just like we all do. If you want to talk about Lovie Smith and his playcalling, go ahead. Saying that he doesn't have fire and passion because he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeves is a horribly misguided opinion for you to have.
Let's get to it.
Lovie on the game:
"Don't have a lot of reasons to give you why we played that way. I know we're a better football team than that. But of course, our play didn't say that today. When you get yourself back in position at home, normally with momentum, good things happen. But that's the way our day went a little bit. In critical situations, we didn't make the play. You look at reality, and we're 4-4. That's all you can look at. We haven't played the defending champs in our division (the Vikings). You're disappointed, which we are, but then you move forward and you just do everything you can to get a win the next time out, and that's what we'll do. We have a lot of important football games coming up."
We have some soul-searching to do right now on a short week. When you play a game like this, you want to play [again] almost immediately. That's the good thing about having the chance to play the 49ers on Thursday night. We have a lot of character on our football team. We realize where we are right now. We'll come back ready to go this week."
Lovie on Tommie:
"You can't lose a player like Tommie Harris. Tommie has to be smarter than that. He can't get himself thrown out of the football game. That hurt our football team. I haven't really had a chance to get a good explanation from Tommie. I didn't talk to Tommie after the game."
Jay Cutler on the game:
"A loss is a loss. We've got to do things better in the first half. If the other team is going to score like that, we've got to close the gap somehow. We're not really into moral victories at this point."
Jay Cutler on facing a large deficit:
"It's tough. We tried to mix in some runs. We tried to mix in some quick screens and stuff to the wide receivers. But when you boil it down, we've got to get some chunks of yards. We've got to score and we've got to do it quickly. The defense knows that. They understand that. It makes it an uphill battle."
Alex Brown on the game:
"Before it's going to work, we've got to believe it's going to work. We've got to have a sense of urgency, and we don't have that right now. I don't know what the hell is wrong, but we've got to change it. This is the eighth game of the season, and I know a lot of people like to think that we're better than 4-4. But hell, our record is 4-4. So that's what we are. If we have any aspirations of going any further or making it to the playoffs, then we've got to play a hell of a lot better. We've got to play better. Everybody that doesn't feel bad after that shouldn't be here. That's horrible. We stunk up the place. It was pretty
bad."
Everybody that doesn't feel bad after that shouldn't be here. We stunk up the place. That's horrible. I really don't know what to do, but we've got another game Thursday (at San Francisco). We keep saying, 'Go home and soul search and look at yourself,' but I don't know. There might be something more, might be a little more than that."
Alex Brown on Tommie:
"Ninety-one [Harris] going out hurt us a lot. That's as far as I'm talking about 91."
Zack Bowman on going against Larry Fitzgerald:
"He has powerful hands. I saw one on the sidelines that he caught against Tillman, and Charles had perfect coverage against him. Just an excellent catch. You win some, you lose some."
Danieal Manning on the game:
"We didn't play good football today. We just didn't play football."
Al Afalava on his injury:
"I already injured (the shoulder) in preseason, but I just hurt it more. I missed a tackle on a long run and the running back ran through my arm."
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Whether or not Lovie is a good coach...
doesn’t matter any more. This defense, to a player, has quit on Lovie. Not once did I see the defense move the flow backward against the offense. Hell even a stalemate once and while would be nice. The team is spiraling out of control and the only feasible solution is to fire Lovie. Yes, the players need to accept their part, and many of these guys will not be here next year, but Lovie and co. have lost the team and that is irretrievable and unfixeratable.
Before anyone gets the bright idea to lay all of this on JA or the “lack” of talent remember, this team has been regressing since the SB. That’s going on almost 3 years ago. 3 years is enough time to determine that Lovie isn’t getting it done and now he’s lost the team. What else needs to happen before Lovie is fired?
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Yeah but the question is
Why has this team regressed since the Superbowl? I think that does fall on JA as well. Management got cocky. You knew they were feeling pretty good about themselves when they felt they could just give Chris Harris away for a 5th round pick. A starting safety for a 5th round pick! Then you go grab players like Dan Bauzin and Michael Okwo. These are high draft picks that never saw the field. Not to mention reaches like Garret Wolfe and athletic experiments like Daniel Manning.
The Tommie Harris thing was no surprise even back then. Remember, he didn’t play in the Superbowl. They knew his injuries would be an issue but then they grab Dvorcek and guess what? He’s injury prone. You want to know where the drop off began? It was right there in those drafts where consistent teams rebuild and prepare for the future, not take chances on pet projects.
You can say that Lovie lost the team if you want but what I see is a drop off in talent and aging vets. Not only that but also the fact that you’re missing 2 starters in your line backing core and you let a guy like Mike Brown walk. For what? How valuable would he be to that secondary now? You got guys on the field right now that don’t know what the hell they are doing, let alone the experience to do anything about it. I’m not letting Lovie off the hook but a defense doesn’t get shredded like this team has unless there are some serious communication issues. The biggest problem with this team now is that the chickens are finally coming home to roost on those terrible draft picks.
I completely agree...
but that’s why I said “to lay all of this on JA”. Is Lovie simply not part of the drafting process? Does he not have a say as well? That Bazuin/Wolfe for T Jones thing still gets me angry. But even if JA is mostly to blame, firing him doesn’t make the current team any better. Whereas, a new HC might be able to motivate these players to play better or at least change the scheme to better suit the talent that is there. While I actually like Lovie as a head coach, I just do not see what good he can do any longer. JA should be fired as well, but Lovie has to take the blame either for being too weak to speak out and get better players or for not coaching the ones he has.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
I think i recall
That the year after the SB, commentators talked about the fact that the bears were the only NFL team that had all the same starters as the previous year.
We all thought that was pretty neat at the time, but you can’t just keep on drifting lazily along and expect things to unfold on their own.
I think there’s some laziness coupled with cluelessness and simple inertia leading us to where we are now.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
I felt that way watching the draft.
Management got cocky. You knew they were feeling pretty good about themselves when they felt they could just give Chris Harris away for a 5th round pick. A starting safety for a 5th round pick! Then you go grab players like Dan Bauzin and Michael Okwo. These are high draft picks that never saw the field. Not to mention reaches like Garret Wolfe and athletic experiments like Daniel Manning.
It was like they were saying “We made the Superbowl, so we can have an entire draft full of all sizzle and no steak and hope we get lucky cause we’re going right back to the playoffs for sure!” Angelo has never been a good GM. In his first year he forgot to mark “compensation” when he released Warrick Holdman and so we wound up overpaying him to keep him on our roster. Angelo’s a joke.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Anyone have video of the Harris hit??
I was at the game, and have yet to actually see it since the stadium obviously did not show it…
by Patriotbball5460 on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions
That video doesn't...
show lutui pretty much riding Harris’s back at the end of the play. What tommie did wasn’t right but it wasn’t unprovoked.
video
NFL.com had a little better video. I agree that is wasn’t right but we has provoked.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 9, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
free agency
With no draft picks until the 3rd round, Chicago is f*cked next year in free agency if the owners/players can’t agree on a new deal.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Today everyone at the bar
Every single person admitted the Bears suck, do not know what took them so long.
You know...
I don’t like what Tommie Harris did as much as the next game but was it worth an ejection? I see football players throw punches all the time and they don’t get ejected. Hell Albert Haynsworth racked his cleets across the face of that cowboys center a couple years ago and didn’t get ejected.
In that first senence i meant guy not game.
Sorry, damn beer
Probably
You just can’t attempt to punch another player….ever. It’s not OK even if the result didn’t seem that bad.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
Absolutely
worth an ejection, imo.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he should have been ejected and i would have no problem with him being suspended
that is as dirty a play as i’ve seen on the field. Sure the guy from Arizona milked it, but what kind of asshole hits a guy in the face when he is face down on the ground.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Its not like stomping on someone’s head…but totally wrong.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
The "Tommie Harris" variety of asshole apparently.
Time to put him in the airlock, IMHO.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
not worth an ejection
if you’re going to get back at him, at least make it look legal and do it on the next play.
This is really telling
We keep saying, ‘Go home and soul search and look at yourself,’ but I don’t know. There might be something more, might be a little more than that."
Like Lost said in the above post, Lovie’s players seem to have given up on him and/or his defensive philosophy. They’ve tried everything from looking themselves in the mirror, soul-searching, and all that garbage. I believe the only thing left to do is fire the man in charge.
The Cubs, I mean the adolescent Cubs (clearly Tommie is one of them), need to go 6-2 the rest of the way to feasibly make the playoffs. Based on what we’ve all seen from both lines so far, and the teams they have to beat it’s not a very likely scenario.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
for what?
a 5th round pick? he’s not going to get us much…his injury issue is well known around the league, plus whenever he has played, he’s been average at best. on top of that, there are some attitude questions about him. my guess is, unless harris somehow actually plays well the rest of this season, he’s going to get cut. somebody will definitely sign him, but it won’t be for much…or it’ll be all incentives.
by guy incognito on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
My thought exactly...
There are some players that will not be on the roster next year, but most of them will be released outright or not resigned. I am waiting for Harris to go to the Pro Bowl with maybe the Titans or Bucs or Eagles in 2010 or 2011; bad knees and all.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
that what pisses me off.
Harris isn’t done. He will be good again in this league. Do you just give up on a good player who has obviously give up on the coaching staff, or do you throw the coaching staff overboard and try to get the player going again
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Cedric Benson II
I know this happens to other teams, but when players get drafted high by the Bears and either play up to their potential elsewhere or never see an NFL field in the first place, you have to question JA’s drafting acumen over the past few years. And now, of course, the Bears have sh-t picks for the draft until almost eternity. Wonder how JC likes his choice now?
this issue
is why i hate the coaching staff..so many of our players seem unmotivated to improve themselves. ala benson who goes to another city and gets a fire lit under his butt..now he’s rushing his way pretty damn close to a pro bowl selection. Is it the coaching not holding their players accountable for being stupid or what?
We can't look at CB
and say, “He sucked in Chicago, but now is doing great in Cincy, so it must be the Bears fault.”
There were a ton of issues with Benson, and he ended up being a distraction for our team. It does look like he has gotten his head on straight now… and good for him. He just couldn’t get it together while he was here.
Is it the coaches fault? I wouldn’t say so… Benson probably had his entire career flash in front of his face, and that had to have been sobering.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Why isnt the coaching staff being blamed for tommie production?
Look we release him he goes to some other team and will play with motivation…why cant bears coaching staff create same sort of motivation for him to start performing to his capability. This is just ridiculous I want lovie smith fired not because of his emotion or his will to win the game, but because of his poor defensive play calling in the past four to five weeks. He is the head coach and whenever a unit is not performing well enough the blame will and should go on the Head coach first of all. The way we played against cincinati and arizona just proves that we are not a very good football and only head coach is to be blamed for that.
Right
Lovie’s lack of emotion just antagonizes the wound. Be even keeled all day, i dont care, just get the players hyped up and staying hungry.
Tommie’s playing is a trap. He can be motivated (Lovie sat him, now he practices and punches ppl) to play well. I have just lost faith with lovie being able to motivate the players. If we cut TH and keep lovie & co our team will keep the way it is, and TH will get better with his new team.
by GtM on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I just want to add...
I felt the same way yesterday. I would like to add that I will never leave the Bears. I was watching Sunday night football and I felt sick. I just want a decent team to watch. (I live in Charlotte now so you can imagine what year I am having).
by CharlotteBear on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
LOVIE IS TOO STUBBORN
I understand that Lovie Smith owns the Cover-2 philosophy. Whether it works anymore in today’s NFL is up for debate. But if you don’t have the personnel to run it, WHY STICK WITH IT? It kills me to see quarterbacks having all day to sit back and complete every pass they want. But when we can’t even stuff an Arizona running game that averages 82 yards/game, it is beyond embarrassing.
Based on my observations from the past 2 years, i think one of two things are happening:
1. Lovie is delusional and doesn’t realize the talent level of his players, or
2. he refuses to alter his system and the gameplan to play to the strengths/weakenesses of his team.
My hunch is that the reason is #2. He tries to make up for the lack of pass rush and pass rushing talent by blitzing, only that does nothing but leave more gaping holes in our defense for a QB to exploit. Either way, it is an unacceptable way to run a football team. I don’t care if he lacks emotion or not. I care about the way he gameplans and attempts to put the team in the best position to win every sunday. It is apparent now that he is incapable of doing that. Any coach can do well when he has talented players that fit his scheme (ie Urlacher/Vintage Tommie/Briggs/a healthy Mike Brown), its what he does when he is missing those components that separate OK coaches from great ones. Unfortunately, it looks like his players have quit on Lovie, as they have been asked to perform tasks that they don’t have the ability to execute.
Which brings me to JA. His coach runs a certain type of defense that necessitates certain types of players. But no one can tell me that his drafts the past few years have brought in the kind of talent necessary to run Smith’s system. His drafts are increasingly riddled with project players that never pan out while other organizations scouting departments seem to be teeming with talented picks and savvy vet pickups.
It seems to me that his moves in the past few years are shortsighted attempts to “win now” and he has kidded himself into believing that this team still had a window based on a defensive talent base acquired from 2000-2004. I love the Cutler trade, but does one act of shrewd deal-making absolve 5 years worth of bad draft picks and bad free agent signings? He doesn’t see in the long-term any longer. I don’t know if that is because he is afraid of losing his job if he tries to rebuild at this point or what, but having no long-term vision is a violation of job requirement #1 for any GM.
Which brings me to the offense. Jerry spent a lot of money to “fix” the o-line this past off-season, only it has gotten ridiculously worse. Can you imagine the carnage if we still had that statue Orton back in the pocket? Caleb Hanie would be running for his life after the 3rd game. The only thing I hope now is that we don’t seriously injure the bright spots of our team this year. I have no idea how we’ve been able to squeeze 22 pts/game out of a team with no run blocking ability, no pass blocking ability, a running back who has forgotten how to hit the hole hard, and an inexperienced receiving corps. Oh, wait I know how they’ve gotten those points. Jay Cutler.
Our current team has had a good run. Time to hit the reset button and get a new staff in here that can rebuild the team the right way around the talent we currently have. In the end, we still DO have a good core of talented players that any new head coach would be delighted to start with. Let’s switch leadership, cut dead weight, and try to get back on track to compete in a year or two. Anybody agree with me?
by ChiLobo#23 on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree.
Ya know, some teams have even switched head coaches mid season. I’m just saying. I really believe we have some talent that is not being utilized the correct way. Time to evolve this team and catch up to the other teams that can win.
I watch Peyton Manning absolutely control the offense and I sincerely believe that Cutler has comparable skills. (Please don’t attack me if you disagree. It’s just my opinion and I said “comparable”) I would like to know what JC realy thinks at this point. I still think with the right O line and coaching, Jay would impress us.
by CharlotteBear on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Free Agents?
for next year
i was just lookin through some, and wonderin who we should look at
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Marshall
DJ Williams
Barrett rudd
anyone wanna add?
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
dont know too many OL, so i didnt even wanna attempt it
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
See this post on FA O-line
The new CBA negotiations will impact what can happen in free agency. If there is no deal, then next year is uncapped. However, players will need 6 years of service to be unrestricted instead of 4. (example: Mark Anderson will be unrestricted, but if NFL goes to an uncapped year, he will be restricted because he doesn’t have 6 years of service). Lots of young potentially talented players will not be unrestricted if this happens. Plus, if the NFL goes to the uncapped season, teams will be able to use 1 Franchise + 1 Transition tag instead of just one or the other. This will further keep talented players from being unrestricted free agents. There will be limited guys available in free agency and with no 1st or 2nd round picks, a talent upgrade is not likely. Star players around the league will probably get Franchised and teams won’t give them mega-deals until the new CBA is established.
In essence the Bears are screwed
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
I hope a deal is made..
dry humps air at the thought of cutler2vincent jackson in 2010..supposing they could even pry him away from the chargers of course.
no way man
they’ll let merriman go and tag jackson if he doesnt re-sign… i wish too, but there’s no way
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
There's about a .0000001 chance of that happening
So, the Bolts are going to let their most talented player (outside of Rivers) walk without “tagging” him?
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
merriman
is useful only in their 3-4 as a rush LB. He’s had injury problems and off the field concerns. He’s not exactly up to par in coverage.
reminds me of demarcus ware’s skill set, except not as good as ware. ware’s the whole package
Yeabut
We could be on reality TV every night. Watching Teila Tequila and Merriman going at would be a boon for ticket sales!
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
free agency
With no draft picks until the 3rd round, Chicago is f*cked next year in free agency if the owners/players can’t agree on a new deal.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
wale and brown aren't happy with harris
that much is obvious from their post-game comments. for a team that almost never throws its own under the bus, their comments are telling. i think tommie has been sheltered too much…if his own teammates call him on stuff (and given the benching in cincy, lovie might be as well), maybe that will get his head on straight. he’s either going to start playing like he used to, or he will be cut in the offseason.
Two Observations Here
1. One football player does not lose a football game.So to sit here and say the ejection of Harris lost us the game is ludicrous. It certainly didn’t help.
2, Lovie Smith insist on not acknowledging something is seriously wrong with his Defense after it is beaten down like a rented mule. We get things said like, I don’t know why we played so poorly, we weren’t ready and I don’t know why, we are a better football team than that. Bull$h*t Lovie, you suck. Your scheme sucks and your playcalling sucks. Take ownership or get the Hell out of here!
You did.
Harris being ejected lost us the game, point blank! End of story. Goodbye!
by ChiFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you remember?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Huzzah!
No problem, just looking out!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
I appreciate it
I need something to look forward to something today, minus the meatball callers on B&B.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
Yeah...
enjoy that!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Oh, I look forward to it after any game
It’s always a great day listening to those people. I always feel better about myself.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
I have a response
about “those” people, but I can’t bring myself to post it! It’s probably for the best that I leave it and walk away. ;)
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Beyond better judgment,
Consider yourself served!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Or...
just the meatballs B&B..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
Here is a quote from Cutler that is pretty telling to me
From this Brad Biggs article (which was an excellent read IMO):
Cutler was asked if the Bears have a leadership or chemistry issue brewing?
“I don’t know,‘’ he responded. "We’ll see."
Chew on that one for a little while, why don’t you.
Brown’s quote and this one tell me that there really is some doubting in the players’ minds about coaching. That doesn’t bode well going into next season. If Smith isn’t fired, there is a CHANCE this team completely blows next season (read <5 wins) b/c they completely quit on the coaching staff.
by Sam Householder on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 AM CST reply actions
Nice
Of Warner’s five touchdown passes, three came vs. the blitz. That’s what happens when you don’t get there.
And when you’re predictably blitzing in the “A” gaps and inside of the tackles. How about mixing it up and blitz with your safeties Lovie? Remember a long time ago when D. Manning sacked Rodgers for a saftey? Jeez…it’s like digging for gold in the same spot over and over again.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
"We've got to play better. Everybody that doesn't feel bad after that shouldn't be here."
Just another affirmation of Alex Brown’s awesomeness. I’m not saying he’s a fantastic player, but he really comes off as a locker-room leader.
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
We need to face facts here
we are on the cusp of entering rebuilding phase, pretending that we are a piece or two away from a superbowl run, is foolish to believe.
TIllman is on the decline
Bowman is not the answer
Manning is not the answer.
Afalava cannot tackle – watch the tape before you argue this
Our Dline is simply atrocious, yeah yeah, 14 sacks or whatever, but they came against GB, who is awful on the line, and some other pretty shoddy teams as well
Our Oline needs several players plugged in
Our WR are solid, but not spectacular or “game changing”
we need a whole new team, outside of Cutler and Forte, and with no upcoming draft picks this year, and Jerry’s insatiable appetite to trade out of the first round… it’s going to be a long time, i’d say 4-5 years before we are playoff potential again.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
Im not ultimately worried
About the 1st round draft picks since you can find a superstar in any round of a draft so losing 1st round picks can hurt us but you can find anyone who can be a great player someday in ANY round.That being said JA should get out we dont have the personnel because of him.Lovie as well.O-line sucks D line sucks injuries killed us for he have no depth.All and all we are an average team.
%
is better in finding one of those “superstars” in the first two rounds. Not sure where to find it, but there are numbers on it- maybe FO or a similar site.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
I don't think it needs to be that long
I think free agency will help out quickly but I do see 2-3 years which is okay if we do it the right way. Our LB will be older but back to health next year, I think Gaines with a full training camp will be the right move. I think Tillman has to move to safety as he seems to be slowing down a bit. Heopfully DJ Moore can develop into a nice cb. Move Williams to LT next year, beekman to center. sign a LG and RT (or draft in rd 3). A couple of pieces on the Oline and the offense could be really good.
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
I agree
We are a middle of the pack average team that plays up and down to our competition.We are at least 2-3 years from being a great team if everything goes right (which i doubt really).But first JA needs to go I cant blame everything on Lovie.JA didnt give us the personnel to do well.But Lovie didnt play to whatever the strengths the defense has (i dont know what those strengths though) and avoid the weaknesses.And the players need to play well its everyones fault.But its JA’s fault for neglecting som positions that we needed and being too confortable after the superbowl.
Rebuilding would entail having draft picks, OOPS guess maybe 2011 for that rebuilding process to start.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Fundamentals
I don’t know how many times the DB’s came up to make a tackle and just tried to hit with their shoulders. They never wrap anybody up. The defense as a whole sucks at tackling, and that goes back to last season. This coaching staff hasn’t had the team prepared for weeks, and now they have 3 days to prepare for the 49ers, I’m not looking forward to Thursay’s game.
Question not why Lovie won't give up his beloved Cover 2
I don’t know why people keep asking why Lovie doesn’t try another defense – because Cover – 2 is all he knows. It’s basically what made him, his entire rep rests on that scheme. I wish he could change, but he can’t – so either we get used to teams exploiting the hell out of it in the future, or we need a new head coach.
i vote get a new head coach
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
That is no excuse.
Each defense runs many different packages throughout the game. Cover-2 just happens to be our default defense. And coaches throughout the league know different defenses. Would it take work to implement new packages? Sure. But would it be worth it? Yes. You can’t change your personnel mid-season, but you can change your play calls.
Some examples of coaches that changed to a COMPLETELY different system? Ron Rivera went from our cover-2 to a 3-4 in San Diego. Mike Tomlin went from a DB coach running the TAMPA-2 to a 3-4.
Am I suggesting we change completely to a new defense? No, I’m merely stating we work with our current 4-3 personnel and come up with packages that work best for us and work to our strengths. Currently, the Cover-2 does not, IMO.
whether hunting or working
do you ever even watch the bears?
by jimribs on Nov 9, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
2 words
LARRY JOHNSON
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions
Why?
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by David Taylor on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
WELL
for 1, hes avaialable…for 2 we have no quality back, forte is mediocre at best, and for 3… WHY NOT??? what would it hurt this team any more than they are hurting right now? Maybe bringing in a new face will change the atmosphere of losing that the bears seem to be mired in???
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Forte is mediocre at best?
Seriously? LMAO
Yeah, maybe LJ could help our pitiful OL play better…
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
WCG is entertaining,
to say the least.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
ok
he had a good rookie season. but arent pro’s supposed to get better…am i seein it wrong, or has his production decreased (whether its the o line or not)? And if hes not mediocre, what would you call him Mr. Noble???
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, his production has decreased.
For one thing, our OL sucks. If there are no holes, and the linemen are getting knocked backwards, he has no chance.
And like I’ve said before, on a scale of 1-10, I’d say Forte is a solid 7, with 8 being Pro Bowl caliber. He has great vision, and incredible shiftiness, and is a duel-threat.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
ok
so why not add another weapon for the team? seriously, at this point, what could it possible hurt???
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
no offense taken
But I’ll tell you what, and this may top the latest dumb thing youve read in a while, some team will pick up LJ, and he will out produce forte, and I will be here to remind you…..
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
It's not the RB dude...
it’s the OL. It’s all about the OL. Nothing but the OL.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
great, but
if there are no ways to clean up the o line in soon, maybe getting a different style of RB can help, Im just sayin……
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
dude
Adrian Peterson…the purple jesus one… couldnt run behind this line. i’m willing to bet Walter Payton would struggle…okay well not him, but purple jesus would
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
ok.
so you are saying just sit there with their thumbs up their asses until the o line gets better?? Are you serious??? Whats every1 so negative about? Make a move, grow a pair, try different things…..
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd love to have a below-average homophob on this team
Great first step on the way to a SB.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
homophobe or not
hes better than what we have in the back field right now, forte is still growing and maybe it is the o line that has stopped his production, but…..you know what, screw it, dont try for LJ, lets just stick with what we have and just hope we get better….Ok, there, all you experts on football just convinced me, DONT GET LJ, HES SUCKS, HES HES A HOMOPHOBE>>>>REPEAT DONT GET LJ
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Good God
Gesia, is this your brother?
No, he’s not better than what we have. Here’s some stats to prove your theory (albeit dumb) wrong:
LJ’s stats:
132 attempts, 358 yards, 2.7 average, long of 17, 0 TD’s
Forte’s stats:
123 attempts, 441 yards, 3.7 average, long of 61, 3 TD’s
Thanks for playing.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
by ChiFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
great job there
but you dont need to go that far, the panel of experts on this blog set me straight, the bears are good with their RB right now. Dont need another back, here, I will say it like a mantra……THE BEARS DONT NEED ANOTHER BACK, THE BEARS DONT NEED ANOTHER BACK…..Ok, you all did your job
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Getting another RB would not be a bad idea...
but for emergency purposes only. But, if we were going to add a roster spot for an emergency RB, it wouldn’t be for a guy like LJ.
And, if we were to add another RB, we would have already, when AP was hurt and we were down to Forte and Wolfe.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
The only type of RB
that would help this team right now is a fast one. One with the ability to get outside and be a threat to take it to the house on any given play. Chris Johnson, Slaton, MJD, etc are not being traded.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
Brandon Jacobs?
I would rather have a big bruising back that doesn’t go down and has speed to boot. If we’re gonna keep running it up the gut, might as well get a back that can get the tough yards.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Except Jacobs has been running like a scared little girl this year. He is getting better but at the beginning of the year was running right into his linemen then falling down
I wouldn't wanna tackle him.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Sounds like
a lot like what we already have….1-2 yds a clip.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
They won't "wait" on an O-line.
Well, not in the middle of the year, they won’t make a change. If there is a big change coming, it’ll be FA or in the 3rd or later of the draft. You tell me how good our prospects are then.
So far, it’s “Forte goes as the O-Line goes.” Last year, swimmingly. This year… Eh.
by Steven Schweickert on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
This is real life.
Not Madden.Oh wait..Sign Johnson to a two year deal,play out this year,then trade him to the Lions for a first round pick next year.
And Forte is definately in the declining phases of his career.Insert sarcasm meter here.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Nov 9, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Different style
You mean a slower, dumber version of Forte? I can just see it now….LJ gains 1.5 yards per carry over the season, and drops half the passes thrown to him.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
Are you kidding me?
You can’t compare LJ on a different team and say “Look what would’ve happened if he was on the Bears.”
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
listen
Im just a fan who has grown very impatient, and maybe this would be a knee-jerk move, who knows?? I would like to see the bears jump on an opportunity that opens up, as opposed to the usual thing of siting around and watching other teams cash…Im no expert, dont pretend to be, but damn, LJ is available, hes a good RB, our RB are struggling, I know it has some to do with the o line, but thake a chance, what do they have to lose?
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing
We’re well under the cap. I want Jerry to spend money on pieces for the OL. If our OL gets better, our RB’s will be fine.
Forte isn’t running around everyone like he did last year, but he’s not our problem.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
not that it matters now
but if forte went down, peterson is the backup. do you think there might be an unemployed RB better than AP?
looking at talent alone
he has to be better than wolfe/peterson.
come on, hes a 2 time pro bowler
yea he has some off the field incidents, yea he has done some bad things to make himself look foolish, but Im only saying, what could it hurt us to get him? He will prob come real cheap too
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
can't have competition..
might upset forte.
Seems like. I don’t get Chicago radio here, so it’s nice to see what people are complaining about when they mention B&B.
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Larry Johnson
has not been good in a long time. His coaches have given him the ball an overwhelming amount and he does nothing. He is all talk and won’t be a top tier back in this league again .
Rule of 370
An oldie, but still a good article on the effect of RB carries on future production. It talks fantasy, but I think it’s still relevant.
Some high-points of the read:
Larry Johnson | 2006 | KC | 416 Carries | 1,719 yards
Never has been the same since.
Through the 2008 season and out of the 23 running backs in the history of the league with 370 or more carries in season, in the very next season of play, (16) experienced a significant decline in fantasy production, (3) tore their ACL, (6) effectively had their career ended, and (1) is TBD (Michael Turner).
Very high workload (carries) in the previous season equals trouble, and the cut-off for danger is approximately 370 or more carries in a year, although your measure for concern should start at 350+ carries. At 370 or more carries, the engine has overheated
And since we’re talking running backs, HE cannot be left out…
Only Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, and LaDainian Tomlinson did not show any real effect or drop-off in fantasy point production in the season following their 370+ carry season.
Some players can come back eventually from that type of workload, most cannot. I don’t think LJ will, especially not in Chicago with our line being as bad as it is. And while I don’t think Forte is the reason for the so-called drop-off this year, I do think that the way he was used last year has a little part in it.
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Not to say
that another back isn’t needed.Larry Johnson is a two time pro bowler that came from one of the best offensive lines in the past 10 years,remember Priest Holmes?.I’d just like to see this line play together more,painful as it is,that’s the only way that next years line is going to get better.Obviously additions are needed up front,but I think signing LJ is just a little zaney.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
LJ is not an answer....
just a band-aid! I would take him for the rest of the year to try to light a fire under Forte’s ass, but O-Line is making it hard for ANYONE to run back there!!! Worst case, things stay the same… Best case cenario… he becomes OUR 2009 Cedrick Benson and we either keep him to complement Forte or trade him away for some of those draft pics back!!!! I just wish we had gotten Tank and Ced AFTER their epiphanies!!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
oh but can't forget...
he’s 30… and look what they say about LT and backs over the age of 30!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Nov 9, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
2 words
legal problems
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
lmao
gotta take a chance, and give a chance……
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
no no no
no no no no, O-LINE ! We need O-LINE! Blocking blocking blocking…grr..I’m upset !!!
by Ditka,Sausage,Bears on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I don't mind if we pick him up
because we need another body at the RB position. but neither Forte or LJ are going to do anything behind our OL or with the 14 total carries the RBs will get each week from here on out.
Sure lets get Larry Johnson...
And when LJ doesn’t work out we can sign Edgerin James, Shaun Alexander, Tarrell Davis, or Barry Sanders and all of them would have a hard time gaining yards with our OL…OK Sanders in his prime would do ok because he ran behind swiss cheese for years in Detroit.
We need to restock both O & D lines with young, hungry, talent. We need to target big athletic O-linemen from schools that actually run the ball Big Ten, Big 12 etc.
We should have enough youth and talent on the D-line to start, we need to put Harris on the bench for the remainder of the season and let Gilbert get in there.
We have a great QB, good young WR’s and a RB (a young big power back to complement Forte would be nice, but we have bigger fish to fry right now) “IF” we can get an above average O-line the pieces we have in place will excel on offense. The defense will then be able to be more agressive, and take more chances instead of being on their heals all game long.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
A big problem with Forte
Is he is getting the crap knocked out of him time and time again. His career will most likely be very short, I’m talking shorter then the average runningback.
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