Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Cardinals Edition
The NFC playoff picture seems to be working itself into a pretty clear picture, and, although it could still happen, my prediction of a 12-4 season for the Chicago Bears looks unobtainable. And honestly, at this point, I'm not so sure that our coaching is to blame.
Our GM brought in three new offensive linemen, and none of them have helped. Can Ron Turner be to blame for our porous running game? He didn't make the FA signings.
On the other side of the ball, we do not have the personnel to run a Tampa-2/ Cover-2 defense. Our secondary is a liability,,, is Lovie to blame for our lack of talent on defense? We just don't have the personnel.
The only mystery for me is the DL/ Rod Marinelli situation. It seems like half of our roster is comprised of defensive linemen, and we still chose to trade our 2010 2nd round draft pick for another pass rusher. Add to that, we have a guy that is well-known around the league as being one of the best DL coaches in the NFL... you'd think that would be an area of strength for us.
We know our offense is failing because of our personnel at OL, we know our LB corp is thinned out and that our secondary is incredibly weak... but where's the front 4? Why have we seen over the last few weeks our DL get dominated in the passing and rushing games? What's up with Coach Marinelli?
- Rashied Davis is still doing a mighty fine job on STs. And undersized WR making great open-field tackles... gotta love it.
- Tommie, Tommie, Tommie. What happened to Tommie Harris? Is his career coming to a quick halt? We can expect him not to be wearing a Bears uniform next season... but will he even be in the NFL? Maybe not, unless the Bungles give him a shot.
- One of my notes simply said that Fitz > Tillman. But, that was early in the game. Now, I'll change that note to say that it is a shame when Charles Tillman is our best coverage cornerback.
- I have been wondering for 2 weeks if Hunter Hillenmeyer was really 100% healthy. Rib injuries take much longer than 2 weeks to heal from, and I smelled a rat when he came back so quickly.
- Jay Cutler's first possession of the game: he walks onto the field with his head down, looking at the ground.
- Devin Hester, Earl Bennett, and Greg Olsen have all developed great hands. I mentioned last week that Cutler puts them in positions where they have to make tough catches... well, they can. Exhibit "A": that catch early in Q1 down the sidelines when Hester was blanketed by the CB. Cutler saw the single-coverage, audibled into a fly route, and made a picture-perfect throw to Hester. And what a catch!
- Garrett Wolfe made an outstanding tackle on KO coverage.
- While we looked like we might be able to generate some pressure on Kurt Warner early in the game, turns out, not really. Soft coverage on the WRs + zero pass rush = duplication of the Cincy game.
- Arizona's OL absolutely dominated Marinelli's DL. Passing plays, rushing plays... didn't matter. An inside source said that the Card's OL even formed a wall in front of the Bears showers after the game, and the DL couldn't bust through then either. They went home without showering.
- Johnny Knox was one cut away from daylight on the KOR following Arizona's second TD. But, he was going too fast to make that final cut.
- We finally saw Cutler looking downfield for our WRs more this week, especially to Hester. On a related note, kudos to the OL. While they still broke down and sucked a large part of the game, there were spurts where they did a good job of protecting the QB. Kudos guys.
- My OL grades: Chris Williams: B, Roberto Garza: B-, Olin Kreutz: C, Josh Beekman/ Frank Omiyale: D, Orlando Pace: C-
- 3rd and 16, 1st quarter. Earl Bennett runs a deep post, right into the lap of the safety. Had he turned that deep post into a skinny post, things would have happened. I know it's his first year on the field, but he's gotta be more aware. Against zone defenses, you have to find the soft spots... not run straight to a defender.
- My prediction of turnovers, penalties, and QB sacks for both teams did not some true. Well, Cutler did get nailed, and the Bears did have too many penalties. But I was thinking it would go both ways.
- As of the 10 minute mark in the second quarter, Matt Forte had exactly one rush.
- Question: If it's 3rd and 5 for Arizona, why are our DBs 12 yards off the WRs? I mean, I trust Lovie Smith, and I know he is having to play defense with some bad talent... but 12 yards off the WRs? Of course they converted a first down. And eventually scored a TD.
- Oh, speaking of converting... 3rd and 10, Arizona ball. Easy pitch and catch on a 12 yard curl route. 5 plays later, TD. Too easy, too soft.
- Kevin Payne plays hard, and hits hard. Good to see a bit of fire from someone on defense.
- Alex Brown fights hard. Even in the 4th quarter when we are getting schooled. Keep on fighting big guy.
- Injuries: Yikes. And now we have another game in three days. Friggin great. You know what though? We will beat San Francisco.
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First person I've seen call out Marinelli
And it’s well deserved!
by rdent4hof on Nov 9, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cmon..
I called him out yesterday on one of the threads..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me
I’m blinded by your power.
by rdent4hof on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why have we seen over the last few weeks our DL get dominated in the passing and rushing games? What’s up with Coach Marinelli?
maybe because we don’t have the personnel here either? Marinelli has only had 2 weeks with Gaines Adams so far. but with all offseason with TH and Ogun and Brown and MA… maybe they just aren’t that great anymore
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Injuries: Yikes. And now we have another game in three days. Friggin great. You know what though? We will beat San Francisco.
i dont know that we will, Singletary has the same issues we do, lack of talent in personnel, but he gets 100 percent out of them, i can’t say we get 100 percent out of ours, and A Smith to Crabtree/Davis has been dangerous.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Nov 9, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
for not blaming it all on the coaches, as some people have been. While I believe that part of it is related to coaching, it isn’t just them. Nice post and I agree with your points. I’m hoping that the team will finally mesh and pull out a win on Thursday, but only time will tell.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by HoneyBear on Nov 9, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's where the logic breaks down.
I agree that it isn’t all the coaches. But when great coaches get handed lemons they make lemonade. Our coaches aren’t adjusting to the talent they have. That is where they get thumbs down, IMO. If people don’t agree, lets talk about it.
by ChiLobo#23 on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree...
But how do you “adjust” when thw front-4 are not generating pressure on the QB? How do you adjust to make our CBs talented?
How do you adjust to improve the talent on the OL?
These guys are professional football coaches… the best and the brightest in the world. I think if it were just as simple as “making an adjustment that is obvious to the layman”, it would be done.
I’m not trying to hound on you personally, I just don’t get it.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 10, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that hester end-around
on the second possession was mind-numbing.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
It just looked wrong from the outset. The fake handoff looked off, Hester’s timing was off…
I like that they are trying to get the ball in Hester’s hands more, but just like the Wildcat play against Cincy in the Red Zone, our OL can’t hold the DL off for long enough to let a play develop like that.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Way too obvious
They should fake an attempt to Hester then have him do a wheel-route, that way the defense will be out of position for his deep route.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They went home without showering.
Hilarious.
While they still broke down and sucked a large part of the game, there were spurts where they did a good job of protecting the QB. Kudos guys.
This is just bad… We are basically saying, “thanks for not sucking… too much.” What have we, as fans, been reduced to?
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by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, early in the game
the pass protection looked great. Seeing Cutler be able to set his feet and throw is awesome.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 9, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to watch it...
I was stuck in a car listening to the game on Sirius. It’s still funny though, I don’t care if you are the big man now or not. ;)
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by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive line did a very good job yesterday
I reviewed the tape again last night and i think he had three hurries due to Oline breakdown through his first 41 pass attempts. Marked improvement over the prior few games..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dr Jekyll and Mr. Offense
Or Dr. Defense and Mr. Hyde. Take your pick. Last week (Browns game) I thought our defense looked adequate and our offense atrocious. This week, just the opposite. At Cincinnati they were in sync. They both sucked simultaneously.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well played sir...
Perfectly sumarized.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops..It was supposed to be
At Cincinnati they were in sync. They both sucked simultaneously.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 9, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you really want to play the blame game you're getting warmer...
Our GM brought in three new offensive linemen, and none of them have helped
followed by
It seems like half of our roster is comprised of defensive linemen, and we still chose to trade our 2010 2nd round draft pick for another pass rusher.
Jerry Angelo is NOT a good GM. He might not even be an adequate one. Point to ANY success story of Angelo’s and you’ll find 3 times that number of poor decisions. And next year we have no draft picks until the 3rd round. Future’s looking REAL BRIGHT around Halas Hall. Thanks, Jerry!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really trying to find someone to blame...
but I understand your sentiment.
It’s not surprising that our team is so big on the DL… Angelo was a DL coach in college before becoming a scout in the NFL.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"You" was the generic form addressed to all fans, not you specifically.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bah..
Hard to blame Angelo, people were screaming for his head at the end of last year, so he tried to build a win now team to make fans happy..now people are screaming for his head because he screwed our prospect pile for next year and pretty much everyone brought in except cutler blew up in his face so far..talk about your hammer and anvil. It’s rather unfortunate that none of the linemen are working out, but at least he tried…not like we could have drafted any good ones in 2009 w/o a 1st round pick..because there wasn’t much there to begin with. Same with the FA market..aside from not bringing in Housh, which I was all for, there was not much talent available.
by Pretender85 on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why not
You can blame Angelo. Cutler was the right choice. Angelo could do that trade 3k times over and I’ll still be happy. However, Angelo has failed to address problems with this offense since coming from Tampa. Ironically, Tampa had the same problem until the front office balance out the organization and hired Gurden. Angelo is a defensive minded GM that can’t pick an offensive guy out of a hat. Jerry and this defensive minded coaching staff tried to patch up the offense with band-aids and bought all new part for the defense. Sooner or later something will breakdown along the way and the defense is now showinig a lot of tear, after carrying this club for the last 5yrs. Look at all the 1st and 2nd draft day and free agent defensive guys Angelo had brought in over the amount offensive guys. It doesn’t make since. I can remember Thomas Jones, Moose, and Tait signing and Benson, Orton and Columbo drafts. Where are these players now? they either had success in the league before coming to the Bears or are having success now. The defensive guys on this team are the only players that fit their scheme and before the last 2 yrs, they have played their position well. But What offensive scheme is the Bears running and what players are they bring in to fit this scheme? seem like a bunch of patch work on the offensive side of the ball. Defense win Championships?!?
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wale and mark anderson are free agents after this year
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FRONT OFFICE PROBLEMS
Troy Aikman assessment of the Bears was on target. To take a defensive guy and try to turn him into a no 1 receiver is a slap in the face to great WR like Bolden, Johnson and Rice. Obviously, the Bears don’t have good players on offense and that due to poor building at the GM level. Angelo has failed to build a team around whoever played QB for this team since coming from Tampa Bay. His primary and sole focus is building a defense that has been deteriorating since the Super Bowl. I’m sure Lovie has lost this team, but the organization have also lost the confidence of its players by not being committed to win. This epic failure also falls on the shoulders of VP Ted Phillips who bought into the mantra of the Bears having to be a defensive team in order to keep the ghost of SB 85, Mike Singletary, and Butkus alive in Chicago. The Bears character should be on what wins today, not stay stuck in the old ways of the past. The Bears front office is the main cause of this mess that plays every Sunday (or Thursday).
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Winner!
You hit the nail on the head. Replace the clowns at the top and good things will start to happen below. A competent management team will bring in a skilled coaching staff and do a better job of evaluating/drafting talented players. The Bears are a disgrace in the front office. This franchise/fans deserve much better.
by rocko1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman
Hester is quietly becoming a very good receiver in only his second full season at the position. I agree that the Bears needed to bring in a veteran to supplement him, but they’re way too stubborn for their own good.
The offense hasn’t been very good, but the blame should lie on the defense for its inability to stop decent offenses.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hester
If Hester finally make that leap to 3 slot receiver status, we’ll be looking for another QB by then, because of the WR IQ Hester lacks to identify coverages and break off route to help Cutler. I will feel much more comfortable if Hester was the 3 WR on this team behind proven successful 1 & 2 level wideout. No defensive guy has made the jump to WR that I can remember. The Bears can’t afford the luxury of teach Hester this position: (1) because of coaching, they don’t have a clue on offense; (2) it hurts offensive product; (3) QB can get hurt in the process. send this guy back to KR or PR or trade him for a 2nd rd pick. I suggest the latter.
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be real smart
taking away one of the few offensive weapons away from Cutler. Do you really want to see more INTs and less TDs? That’s exactly what would happen. He’s on pace to have…
82 rec
1,096 yds
6 TDs
13.4 avg.
Those are pretty darn close to #1 status.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course Not....2010 definitely.
This year Cutler needs what he has, which isn’t very much, more than ever to win some games. Keep the offense in tact, but next year the Bears can’t come back with Hester as a 1 or 2; 3 string yes.
Hester numbers would suggest #1 status but that due Cutler working with what he has and no running game. So more plays will be called for the WRs.
Also Wolfe & Peterson can’t be 2nd and 3rd RB.
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
they definitely have to add someone to the mix; preferably someone who can be a threat in the red-zone. Removing Hester as a WR would be counter-productive/intuitive after going through his growing pains the past two and half years.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are close to Pro Bowl numbers
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Nov 9, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Aikman's comment about going into the season with Hester as your #1 receiver, but
his performance has been excellent and his production has him #18 in receiving yards, #16 in catches, and #5 in yards per catch of players with 40 or more catches. Those are more than a #3 receiver in anybody’s book. When you also take into consideration that he has made some very tough catches and has been tremendous in picking up 1st downs, you’d have to say he is way beyond the “experimental” stage. Yes, he still has some learning to do, but you can say that about any 2nd or 3rd year WR in the league. Hester is the least of the Bears’ problems.
I have been a critic of his going into the season, but he has proven me wrong and I wouldn’t make him one of the guys I’d be looking to trade.
by BearFan611 on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice post
He’s made some phenomenal catches in traffic this year when covered well by the DB. At this point, he can at least be considered a #2 WR in general terms. His numbers so far support it, and with another “real” threat across the field from him, it will only help him progress even more so.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think hester would make an ideal #2
but cutler is your best asset, what the entire organization should revolve around. you have to give him a better receiving corps.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying that an experienced #1 wouldn't be a nice addition, but there are so many other holes
on both sides of the ball that need to be addressed first. We could have Larry Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall as our wideouts and both Cincinnatti and Arizona would have still kicked our asses. If both Offensive and Defensive lines aren’t addressed first, it won’t matter what else we do.
by BearFan611 on Nov 9, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hester #2 WR is pushing it.
Hester has to be able to proved support when the #1 WR is double and a blitz is being applied. Devin has to recognize when he’s the hot man on a play in tough situation as part of his job with keeping the chains moving. He’s not that guy and the Bears can’t go into next year believing he will make those adjustment without bring in a legit #1 and #2 receivers to compete. Bears coaches believed that Hester could this year and the offense is sputtering and inconsistent. If they go into next season on a hope and wish is a disrepect to the QB and shows this team is not gearing up to win. Hester needs to earn his spot as a #2 or #3. He’s a #3 in my book this year’s numbers aside.
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The recievers are the least of our problems - if not one of our few strengths, right now
Hester is on track to have 80 catches and over 1000 yards – the type of production that a #1 receiver would be expected to generate. And not too bad for a guy who was converted to play the position. He was starting to show that he was capable of this over the last 5-6 games of last season.
He deserves some credit, now. He’s one of the hardest working players on the team.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
by JimmyMack on Nov 9, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O-line
is the biggest area of need by far. I think Williams is good enough to be the LT for a long time. Omiyale might be a decent fit at RT cause its basically his natural position. Beekman at G or C, depending on Kreutz’s future with the Bears. In free-agency, JA will most likely pickup another G or possibly fill the hole in the draft. Certainly, if a WR is available and not tagged or require 6 years of service to become a FA, then JA may target that position as well.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aikman didn't know what he was talking about
yes, hester isn’t a viable #1 right now, but he is making a lot of progress. he’s already pretty good, and my guess is, by the end of the season, due to his playing #1 all year he’ll actually be very good. however, the problem is, that’s not really a big problem for the team. i’m actually relatively happy with our receivers. the team is mediocre because it has a terrible defense and offensive line. to talk about hester is to ignore the problem. our defense has sucked since the superbowl. people keep saying we have a good defense. no, we don’t. our d-line can’t generate any pressure, our DBs are okay, but if we run a soft zone and get no pass rush, we need great DBs.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They blitz but CBs are 10 yards off
It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Might as well press-man-coverage with safety help over the top.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst defensive showing in many a year
I was ready to throw a plate at my TV when I saw our defense start celebrating and slapping each other on the backs, giving themselves high fives…after two consecutive stops of the Cardinal’s offense in the 4th fricking quarter. Not only was that a pathetic display beyond belief, but also shameful. Do these guys have so little pride that they actually think they’ve done something worthwhile after they’ve already spotted their opponent 21 points before the 1st half? Terrible.
by Waylon on Nov 9, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can look right at our drafts
And see why we’ve been a .500 team since the SB.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard a stat this morning on Mike & Mike
Since 1920 the Bears have allowed 31 or more points in the first half 5 times…
After Cincy and Arizona… It’s 7 times.
by rdent4hof on Nov 9, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats rough...
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
That is amazing, frankly i can’t remember in my 32 years the last time, even some of the really bad years, that i seen the Bears D just get run over like this.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 10, 2009 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marinelli
Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the reason why Marinelli is considered a great DL coach is because he coached a great DL. Tampa’s DL was incredible. I remember when Marinelli was signed everybody went ape shit because he was going to turn around the Bears terrible pass rush. How’s that going? Time to blow this team up. Keep Cutler and Forte on O and let everybody walk on D.
by McRipper on Nov 9, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
they might have to. He’s the only player on D that has any value what so ever. They could recoup that 2nd they lost and maybe add another 3rd or 4th. There are far too many guys on D making money they don’t deserve. It’s sickening.
by McRipper on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We cannot afford to trade Lance Briggs
by brands735 on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely..
If we lost him we’re shot at linebacker..we have far more holes to fill than the draft picks gained for trading briggs would cover…and it would leave yet another gigantic hole at linebacker.
by Pretender85 on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Williams...
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
- "Original WCG Power Poster!"
by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
we can keep Cutler, Forte, Williams and Briggs. Oh, and we need to keep Izzy and Wolfe, but they’ll be our starting FB and RB, respectively. So that’s six players back next year, and 47 new players to sign.
Then we have to fire ALL of our coaches and get Shanahan, plus switch to a 3-4 defense. Does this about cover it? Am I leaving anything out?
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by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get new ownership?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
Forgot that… Sell the team to Mark Cuban. Got it.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs go to Cuban.
The Bears get Rush Limbaugh for the sake of controversy. Get it right.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
That’d be one way to get some of these players gone.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While we're at it, let's fire Staley.
I want a real bear. Big grizzly to scare the shit out of that Viking dude. That’s what I want.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha
I like Staley, but the mental image of a bear chasing the Viking dude is pretty hilarious. :P
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by HoneyBear on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Make it a real bear, to eat the viking dude :-D
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
by Spongie on Nov 9, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Of course.
Although I’m not sure I want to witness the actual eating of him… ick.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by HoneyBear on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hungry momma bear
with her cubs.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as I can pet
the bear cubs! (And they don’t eat me…) I bet they’d be soft and fluffy! Lol.
/end cliché girl response
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by HoneyBear on Nov 10, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
they would want to tear your head off in a few months.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 10, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheerleaders :-)
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 9, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Wolfe
Bears RBs are too small and light. If Forte is Bears #1 then a heavy, hard hitting, powerful back needs to back him up like Giants Bradshaw or someone of that ilk. Someone to soften the defense, then Forte gash them for big yards. A serious rotation like Giant, Panters, and Cowboys other than Forte, Peterson, and Wolfe. My prayers goes out to Wolfe, but he’s not big enough to play in this league.
Peterson need to be let go as well.
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahmad Bradshaw is not a punishing back
He is the faster smaller complement to Brandon Jacobs.
If Garrett Wolfe is too small to play in this league then what do you say to Darren Sproles? Just because a running back isn’t 6’2" 225lbs and can run over Urlacher (a la Jacobs) does not mean that they are not meant for the NFL. I am sick and tired of people who say he is too small for the league. Wolfe’s biggest obstacle in this league is his offensive coordinator. How dumb does a person have to be to not utilize Wolfe’s greatest strengths (speed, breaking tackles ,and elusiveness) and run him to the outside.
by wennington4 on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point
but one of Wolfe’s strengths is not breaking tackles. He falls down from a stiff winter breeze off the lake.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can trade Lovie and Babich for a sack of rocks...
at least we can throw those at the other team when they’re on offense and slow them down better than the the Cover-2.
by BearFan611 on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could do a reverse Ditka.
We could trade all our players for draft picks!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're cutting Lovie too much slack on personnel choices.
Obviously, Angelo has the final say and has not done a good job, but you don’t make a guy one of the highest paid coaches in the league and not give him input on personnel. Let’s not forget Adam Archuleta, Orlando Pace, Pisa Tinaisomoa, and coaching choices like Terry Shea and Bob Babich. Also, Angelo has had to go after the type of player that fits Lovie’s beloved Cover-2, which doesn’t leave many options if you get injuries or players don’t work out, if you have to adjust when your scheme isn’t working.
Personally, I see Lovie’s inability to adjust in games and his stubborn attitiude toward “his way” with schemes and players as the biggest reason this downward spiral has taken place. My biggest problem with Angelo is letting Lovie get away with it for so long. Also, if the continuous pattern of sticking with certain players is due to pressure from the GM, then Angelo needs to be called on the carpet for that as well.
The whole management team needs to take responsibility for this fiasco. All that said, I agree with most people that I don’t see the McCaskey’s buying out any contracts with 2 or more years left, unless we go winless the rest of the season. What I would love to see happen is, if the Bears lose to SF on Thursday, all fans who are in attendance at the next home game should get up an leave at halftime if the Bears are behind at the half. That kind of statement on a nationally televised game would be about the only thing that would force a change this year.
I know, it will never happen, but a guy can dream…..
by BearFan611 on Nov 9, 2009 9:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ahh, Terry Shea....
Thanks for reminding me of days when the Bears sucked even worse than they do now.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it the responsibility of the coaches?
When players don’t perform up to standard, it’s usually a combination of the coaches not motivating the players enough and the players not performing off of that teaching/guidance. It’s up to the HC and his staff to find a way to get these guys playing consistently well. That hasn’t happened; actually, the case can be made that the coaches have regressed this season and the past two seasons after the SB appearance. It’s time to cut ties or else this same result will happen again next year. Might as well start the rebuilding with a new staff, philosophy, and direction.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cut ties when? And with whom?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone has to be the scapegoat
Turner for one and maybe the line coach HH as well. I’m being very emotional, and not very reasonable at this point cause I’m disgusted with the product on the field. JA will undoubtedly point towards the personnel as reason to keep Lovie and the defensive philosophy in tact. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to cut ties with him after this season (no impact draft picks to rebuild in a new scheme), but in ‘11 that’s another story.
People who don’t care don’t respond, and people who do care do respond. Does that make sense Bronco fans trying to validate the trade?
by propheteer on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lovie is not to blame for the injuries to our top 4 defensive players!
In order for Lovies’ pic strip and run style of defense to work the guys who were selected and paid to execute have to execute! How can Lovie be to blame for injuries to Urlacher, Tillman, Tommie Harris knees and his physical and mental deficiencies, Pisa, and ongoing Hunter Hillenmayer health issues. The LB’s are depleted, our top defensive lineman is either hurt or crazy, and our best ball picker and strippers, Tillman and Urlacher are down. Lovie is to blame??? No way!
The Ghost of Ron Rivera haunts the Windy City...
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
screw that...
the talent is thin, but this team has given up. inexcusable.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is not responsible for injuries but he is responsible for developing people to step in to take their place if they get hurt.
Football is all about injuries and the good teams and coaching staffs have their players prepared so the transition is as transparent as possible. Also, Tillman was in for the majority of the first half and was the one who got burned twice for TD’s before his injury. His injury happened when he used bad form on a tackle attempt (another Lovie team trademark). These guys spend so much of their time trying to strip the ball that they forget about the basic premise of bringing the ball carrier down. Lovie and his staff are terrible at developing players to step in. Urlacher is an athletic freak who Lovie inherited and you can make the argument that he has regressed under this regime. We have young DLinemen on the inactive list every week, so who is being groomed to replace the underachieving Harris?
I agree that players also have to step up and be accountable, but since their coach is not holding them accountable, who do you blame for that?
by BearFan611 on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
every team has injuries
most are able to adjust somewhat. but we never seem to be able to. probably because our coach keeps running a scheme that we simply cannot execute with our current personnel.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Things have been bad
What is most frustrating is that the Bears would be in great playoff shape if they had won yesterday. But here’s a silver lining through all the bad stuff:
If the Bears beat the 49ers, there is a strong possibility that the Bears could wake up next Monday tied for the final playoff spot with the Eagles coming up next. I know the Bears suck and it probably won’t matter, but I’m just looking for anything positive.
by Dils on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eagles game
I wouldn’t watch that game if you’re looking for anything positive. The Eagles will score on their first 5-6 possessions, just like Cincy and Arizona did. It’s going to get ugly real quick.
by boondock_saint812 on Nov 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
it’s ANOTHER Sunday Night game… and we know how the last 2 went!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the eagles could lay an egg
like they did in Oakland
by DaHamsta on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible.
But eagles don’t typically lay eggs in November, it usually happens a little later in the winter season.
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by smudgers on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
Eagles lay from 1 to 3 eggs between late May and early June.
For more fascinating information on the nesting patterns of eagles try looking here.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have waaaay too much free time.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles are good but aren't great
Jay Cutler may leave the game in a body cast, but I am not afraid of Philly’s offense at all. They stall in the red-zone way too much and rely heavily on the big play. Of course the one game I am going to this year is the Eagles game. If we lose on Thursday, my money is that we are flexed out of the Sunday Night Game.
by brands735 on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bears D + WR1 = Disaster
Exhibit A: Chad Eight-Five
Exhibit B: Larry Fitz.
Desean Jackson is licking his chops.
by SJS_illini on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is the Eagles #1 WR?
Don’t even try to say Desean Jackson! He is a great home run threat but his actual WR skills are no different than Devin Hester’s. Eagles don’t have a possession WR besides their TE Celek. They are trying to develop Maclin into one and his routes look good but his hands haven’t yet. The lack of a running game and possession WR is the reason they stall in the red zone so much.
by brands735 on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeSean Jackson – 26 catches for 530 yards and 4 TDs
Devin Hester – 41 catches for 548 yards and 3 TDs
290 of Jackson’s yards came on 5 deep catches. He has also been taken out of two games with 2, 1, and 2 receptions for 9, 1, and 29 yards. He doesn’t go over the middle either. I still think the Eagles have the ability to shred us, but not cause of DeSean.
by brands735 on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Until I see it...
I have to think that any WR1 (at least on the depth chart) with a decent-to-good QB chucking (AKA someone not named Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn) has the potential to burn the hell out of the Bears. McNabb’s still got it (I’d definitely put him in the Palmer/Warner QB tier), Philly throws a ton, and Jackson is a fast WR that’s gonna beat a lot of defensive backs.
Nowhere am I saying Jackson’s gonna do as well as Eight-Five or Fitz (I highly doubt Jackson’ll be in THAT class, and Jackson is pretty much hit-miss, thanks for the stats). I’m almost ready to pencil him in for a 7/120/1-or-2 type day though, based on our last two games (CLE isn’t counted). Who else is Philly banking on? Maclin? Westbrook (This one I’ll give as HB)?
by SJS_illini on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly doesn’t really care about having physical WRs because all their guys can fly. They have a solid future in McCoy, Maclin, and Jackson and I think it is largely because of their positional coaches. Philly has turned mediocre WRs into NFL products for years. Jason Avant and Hank Baskett would do nothing on other teams. Westbrook is an exceptional receiving RB as well. They draft players that work well in their scheme.
I hope our coaches understand to set up the defense to not let Jackson get behind you, but I also thought they would set up the defense to have more than one guy trying to defend Fitz. I have no faith that our defense will stop anyone, but we SHOULD be able to if we watched film.
by brands735 on Nov 10, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You made my point, but I'll give you yours too and we can both be right.
At this point, our defense can’t stop any competent offense it seems (nowhere is Cleveland ANY sort of competent offense). What worries me is if we try this “12 Yard Cushion” style of defense again and Philly does with speed what ARI and CIN did with physicality and the Bears’ poor tackling.
You nailed it. I wouldn’t trust a high school team to our positional coaches, except maybe special teams. I think most of our problems over the years have been to development issues – especially at QB (not this year) – and to Ron Turner’s general predictability and ineptness. We wouldn’t be where we are necessarily with Orton (and in no way am I saying Orton with development > Cutler) but it’s not like we maximized anyone’s potential here.
Especially with Boldin out we should have doubled Fitz. I mean, Tillman MIGHT have had a chance 1 v 1 if he was the guy he was a couple years ago, but today’s Tillman, nah. He isn’t a shutdown corner but he’s the best we have on the field.
I highlighted Jackson just cause he’s WR1 on the depth chart, but Maclin’s got a similar, not exact, skill set and McCoy could eventually grow into a Westbrook. They could all have big days (McCoy moreso if Westbrook stays out). And don’t overlook Celek at TE – they turned him into a decent player.
by SJS_illini on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would be VERY AFRAID of philly's offense
and any offense from any team not from cleveland. i have absolutely no confidence in our D stopping anyone anymore. if we run the same soft zone we always do, and don’t generate much pass rush, mcnabb will absolutely destroy us.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why does cutler look so bored
cutler never walks on the field with any kind of enthusiasm, he looks bored and defeated before the game even starts. I know hes tired of getting killed out there he knows whats goin on out there he knows the o-line sucks and he knows his running game is terible becuse of it, but damn show some damn enthusiasm, you look like you rather be getting an enima than take the field.
by cutlersbutler on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's simple
Jay Cutler looks bored as sin because he knows no one else is excited about playing. I hate to say it, but the players know that they’re mediocre, with only a few bright spots on either sides of the ball, we have a terribly inept coaching staff, a moron for a GM and penny-pinching owners. Cutler’s face will not be any different until they give him something to work with. Until we fix the O-line Forte will continue to be just god awful and Cutler will eventually get something broken. I was never a fan of Pace being signed for the LT position nor Omiyale to be the LG. He is not a Guard by trade you can’t just throw someone in a specialty position and assume they’ll succeed. Pace is done. There is a reason the Raven’s wanted him at RT. Williams should be moved over to his natural spot because he can’t do any worse than Pace.
by frenchbears113 on Nov 9, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a beauty pagent
where the way a guy looks means anything. It’s about what he does on the field. He probably had his best game as a Bear and was on the field taking hard hits, even when the game was out of reach.
by Dils on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, this is why the bears suck
cutler’s lack of enthusiasm.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Season is over
It’s virtually impossible to have any inkling of hope that we’ll make the playoffs with this defense.
Why do people keep talking about Cutler on here? We should be talking about how pathetic our defense is.
That was painful to here the commentators compare our team to a high school team. Yet, it made sense.
I guess I choose the wrong year to pay $300 for the Sunday Ticket in order to see all of our games.
Time to start playing our rookie draft picks to see if any of them don’t suck!
by MakeHalasProud on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
enought crap to go around
Coaching: Coaches are not finding ways to motivate the players and prepare them for games – that is what coaches are supposed to do.
Players: Players are not stepping up, not only by making plays but in the intangible role of LEADERSHIP.
I was tempted to name names when it comes to players who have failed to sack up, but I will leave that to others. Suffice it to say that our defense has collapsed, and no one has lifted a finger to try to hold it together. Someone is missing – ask yourself who.
On offense, the lack of a competent offensive line is damning. Again ask yourself who has gotten the pub here for being all pro and yet has not come through when needed.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Nov 9, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Little Optimism
Bear fans I have a little bit of optimism, if Ted Phillips pull the trigger and ‘deep 6’ Angelo on down to the Bears’ towel boy. If Phillips brings in a quality SB coach, maybe the new scheme offensively and defensively may be able to use some of these existing players, which could be favorable to the new coach’s system. Denver was able to bring in players (1 has been Pro Bowler and patch players) that knew his offensive system and his defensive coordinator’s scheme. But Lovie has to be let go because there are too many units on offense and defense that have problems, which points to coaches’ ineptness to get players ready to play.
by Soloistic on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Remind you of someone?
Is it just me, or is Tommie Harris the Bears’ version of the Cubs’ Milton Bradley?
by Easy Ed on Nov 9, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's just you.
Harris hasn’t assaulted a broadcast booth or injured himself yelling at an official yet.
by SJS_illini on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but like Bradley, he's gotten himself tossed within the beginning of a game
Bradley was tossed after arguing over balls and strikes in something like the 2nd inning last season – and Harris was tossed even earlier. Cool symbiosis, man!
by Waylon on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ive repeated this many times
Instead of winning the toss and electing to kick off we should recieve it first. So we can get off to a lead instead of trailing every game and trying to catch up
by BEARSFAN19 on Nov 9, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We lost the coin flip..
Roach love the run stuffin', but don't forget about the TE over the middle!!
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by tfrabotta on Nov 9, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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