Another Potential Bears O.C., Weis, Martz and now ...
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 AM CST
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There is a constant theme of comments being left on the threads of the series I'm doing looking at possible new offensive coordinators for the Bears. Many are wondering, why hire a new OC instead of a new coach. And some are even looking for a complete overhaul, from GM on down.
At this point in the season, even with as bad as things have gone, I still don't see them launching Lovie Smith. It's not in the character of the franchise to eat a contract as big as Smith's or Jerry Angelo's for that matter. The odds say that if a move is made it'll be one of the assistants that is canned. Look at the last few years and the coaching turnover on the defense. It's logical to assume that someone on the offense will be fired after this season. Sorry Ron Turner. It's possible the Bears will clean house, and depending on the remaining games, it may even make the most sense. But until we see how the '09 season plays out, there's no way to know. In the mean time speculating on a new offensive coordinator will have to suffice.
After the jump I'll look at another potential candidate, one with Denver Bronco ties, but not one of the names you'd expect.
Gary Kubiak has been on the hot seat for a couple years now. Every time a "hot seat" list is compiled the Houston Texans coach is on it. I don't exactly agree with it as he's had some injury issues and he plays in a tough division, but .500 seasons just aren't acceptable in this day and age of the NFL. He had another tough home loss this week and is sitting at 5-6. The Texans have some winnable games on their remaining schedule, but if they don't sneak into the playoffs I think they'll make a change at the top.
If Kubiak is fired he could be in the hunt for an NFL head coaching job, and he'll no doubt receive some offers from a few colleges, but I see him as an NFL lifer. He'll look to get into the best possible situation for himself and coaching Jay Cutler would appeal to him. He runs a very similar offense to the one he coordinated in Denver under Mike Shanahan, a more run heavy variation of the West Coast offense, and it's an offense that Cutler would be familiar with. He even joked upon his hiring by the Texans that his playbook will only be in a different shade of blue. Even though Kubiak likes that power running style of the old Bronco teams, he isn't afraid to put the ball in the air and utilize the talents of his quarterback.
He coached Steve Young to his best season while the QB coach in San Francisco, and had John Elway playing the best football of his career while coaching in Denver. He coached Brian Griese to a Pro Bowl season and helped Jake Plummer get his name in the Bronco record books. And his offense in Houston has never been the reason they aren't winning more games, Matt Schaub (when healthy) puts up really good numbers.
Gary Kubiak knows offensive football and would be an outstanding fit in Chicago.
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Kubiak as OC,
very intriguing! I’m liking this series, good job wilt.
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I concur
I would say even or Martz or Weis that if Kubiak gets fired as HC in Houston, the first call he receivers should be from JA BEGGING him to come to Chicago as the OC/Assist HC.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
Great read, as always.
Kubiak would be a better hire than Weis or Martz in my opinion.
I would love Kubiak as our OC
But we still need the offensive linemen to make it all work. I read on the Sun Times website that there’s a possibility that Pace may be out for the next game, and Williams would step in, so maybe we get to see what we’ve got for a LT.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
One can only hope
Lovie will probably start Shaffer at LT for some inexplicable reason.
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Omiyale at LT.
With Beekman sliding over to guard. Just cause it would make less sense.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I think I read that Lovie said of Pace can't go
it’ll be Williams at LT
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
The heck of it is
Cutler would probably do better at LT than Omiyale. At least when he gets smashed on every play, the DL doing it wouldn’t have time to build up momentum like he does now.
Hmm
It’s not in the character of the franchise to eat a contract as big as Smith’s or Jerry Angelo’s for that matter.
They will spend the money if it’s worth it. They have already sent the message to Lovie and Angelo by going out and flirting with Cowher’s people. It’s over they have missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. This is the time to eat the contracts and hire a proven NFL head coach. No OC is going to help this situation.
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Not to mention...
coaches likke Cowher are not available normally. The only reason is because he walked away from the steelers. I understand why so many people like shannahan but i personally would like cowher or holmgren.
Holmgren has stated he only wants a front office job I believe
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Don't want Holmgren anyway...
he’s not that great a HC. He might be a good GM, but I’ve never thought of him as a great sideline guy. Too many odd mental mistakes, a la Reeves and Schottenheimer. Great at getting a talented roster together, but not so great at coaching them up.
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Interesting, never thought of Kubiak.
I think Turner is gone no matter what, and well he should be. He hasn’t done squat, ever… If Lovie and Angelo don’t go, can we at least get rid of Angelo and find someone who can draft and evaluate talent. I like 7th round gems as much as the next guy, but some early round success would be nice. Obviously next year wouldn’t be the jump off point for early round picks but there will be a lot riding on 2011.
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What is the time frame?
can we hire and fire once the regular season is over if we are dealing with coaches that are either retired or recently fired? do we have to wait until after the superbowl/playoffs or is that only if we want a coach still on one of those teams? whatever the deadlines are I fear we will not have any answers until then.
Only the coaches involved in the playoffs are off limits until after they finish
Any other free agent coach or coach you’ll give a promotion to are available at seasons end
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I think it would be a good hire
If for some godawful reason we don’t clean house. Maybe we can get him as OC even if we do fire lovie.
by Ryan21 on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Holy Crap
if Kubiak is fired, we could steal the entire offensive coaching staff of the Texans! What an upgrade that would be!
How about Cam Cameron?
He was the Architect behind Brees, Rivers, and Flacco.
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Not sure you should include Flacco in that mix.
Sure, he’s Cameron’s QB, but I wouldn’t say CC has exactly engineered anything with Flacco.
Besides, do you think Cameron is going to be fired after this year? I don’t.
And, to tie this into the original post, Cameron interviewed for the Texans HC position in 2006, but they went with Kubiak instead.
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by Eaten by Bears on Dec 1, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
As OC he has a great track record
Not as a HC
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by Eaten by Bears on Dec 1, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like Cameron as an OC
He’s always done well in that role
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I would say that...
Cam took a Div 2 starter with a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG release tightened him up and created a good Quarterback. I think that he might be the guy that could bring cutler back to form.
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by Eaten by Bears on Dec 1, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Kubiak would be my #1 choice for OC
But who knows if he would even want to be demoted to an OC. I’m sure there are teams who would offer him a HC position.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 1, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions
true
he may get a head coach offer, but you never know
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Typically
HCs that are fired usually need a year or two before getting another gig.
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I like Kubiak
he has a great track record and a very bright future. I doubt that he would be interested in a OC position. I would definitely consider him an upgrade to Lovie as the HC. Kyle Shanahan as OC. Mike Shanahan as a possible replacement for Angelo. Cutler would feel very comfortable with that team.
Yeah, if we fire Turner in the next few games and bring in Kubiak
(assuming he gets fired also), that could pave the way to hire Team Shanahan in the offseason! I like it! Check the fanpost section for a great read by a broncos fan posting on our site about the Mike Shanahan situation also. He’s got a great link to an article about possible coaching changes in Houston.
wilt
You make a good case for Kubiak as OC for the Bears, and it is based on the Bears ownership track record as miserly, and as you said, the season will have to play itself out. Maybe Lovie will crash his SUV into a fire hydrant before the season is out, and his wife will throw a football through the passenger side window to rescue him. The scandal might make him step down.
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anyone who is a competent offensive mind would be an improvement
kubiak would definitely be a great fit. the thing i’m interested in, if we don’t fire lovie, is who else comes in. its not just an o-coordinator, its an offensive coaching staff – hiestandt seems to be terrible (we do have talent on the o-line), drake seems to be terrible (our receivers constantly don’t come back to the ball or run poor routes, a sign of bad coaching), hamilton seems to be terrible (cutler’s mechanics have been on and off, something a good QB coach can correct, as well as making sure jay has the right mix of aggressive and smart in his passing decisions). whoever comes in has a chance to make a huge improvement, not just by calling smart plays, but also by bringing in guys who can coach our roster full of underachievers.
What makes me mad
ND just ate over 15 mil as a college we cant eat 11 mil as a pro football team WTF honestly.
Endowment.
And I’m not talking about Weis’ stomach created camel toe.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Kubiak? no. Shanahan? yes
From what I’ve read the real mastermind of that Houston offense is Shanny’s son and I still think thats a better fit.
After watching Alex Smith this weekend, I think the Bears need a spread offense and someone who knows how to call it like Charlie Weis.
If Kyle Shanahan is fired he'd be a posibility as well
but don’t think that offense if Kyles, it’s basically the Mike Shanahan Bronco offense, and Kubiak was the OC in Denver
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Weis
pre-ND would be a good choice. He needs to get away from Chicago if he wants a shot down the road as an NFL head coach. Not that he’ll get a shot, but continued exposure to the Chicago media might end his career.
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if he's released from the Texans he'd be a possible hire
but Shanahan can’t make a lateral move from OC in Houston to OC in Chicago
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
if the Bears want another asst HC
They could do it though
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 2, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's a future OC, but maybe not next next year
A little more seasoning and he’ll be ready
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
While I see the connection and the fit...
I want to know what it’s going to take to get rid of Lovie and this awful defensive scheming they put out. If Kubiak is here as OC and Lovie is still running the defense, than wouldn’t the same problems Kubiak is facing in Houston happen again? It does make some sense and I believe dread the fact that the Bears will not get rid of Lovie. But can I ask a small favor of everyone. Can we at least take the viewpoint that Lovie is leaving as our starting off of these coaching change discussions? I do believe that a collective will can move mountains and I hope our tenor, combined with the already negative media can really get the ball rolling on the ouster of Smith and Co. wholesale.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
I am trying
Posted Cowher and Shanahan career recaps in Fanposts hoping to get the ball rolling
I am hoping to sing the “Nah Nah Nah Nah – Goodbye” song for Lovie.
If we start losing the game againist St louis
I hope they start singing that in the stadium.
I'd love wholesale changes
I just don’t see it happening
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 1, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
WooHoo!
Maybe Kubiak can bring Grossman back with him! Sorry, got a little carried away….
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While we are cleaning house
how about we get a new rehab and fitness staff ours seems to be the worst for rehabing players. Every player that we deemed injury prone has went on to have healthy careers after they have left the Bears. Sh*t Mike Brown is about to have a full year.
If he's fired at the end of the season he would be my #1 choice for OC
Always loved the zone blocking scheme he and Shanahan installed in Denver.
as far as the management eating lovie's contract....
heres my take on it…The bears make about 60 million + in sales and games from the fans, etc. Is 10m mill really worth holding on to, and have the fan base calling for the heads of all those at the top? Ive even read a comment saying that Mcaskey should sell the team cuz she doesnt know anything about football. Its millionaire thinking, i guess (which I would know nothing about), but I guess the bears org see it worth being greedy about keeping lovie in order to not pay him, as well as a replacement. But damn it, I wish the management would just think for once in terms of fan base and fan appreciation. The fans deserve to have a winning organization. And I look at it from a business standpoint. Lets say they cut lovie, pay him off, and bring in some new talent at HC. If they do due dilliegence, and bring in a winner, their profits go through the roof, as they are already with a team thats in the gutter. 10 mill is not alot to pawn off, if it means generating more revenue for one, and for two, (and in my view more important) you show your fans that you are dedicated to progress and becoming a winning franchise, no matter what the cost.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions
Few things...
1. I don’t know about your figures, but 1/6 of a company’s revenue is probably “worth holding onto.” You don’t have be a millionaire thinker to know that. If you make 60k, would you be okay losing out on 10k? Probably not.
2. All teams fan bases call for firings when teams start losing, and even sometimes when they’re winning. However fans will still continue to go to the games, and continue to buy jerseys.
3. I’ve read, many times, that Virginia is extremely football intelligent.
4. You act as if we’re the Oakland Raiders and we haven’t won anything in years. It’s not as if they aren’t committed to win or don’t want to win, they just went out and made a huge trade last off-season. Just slow down a bit, things will happen in their own time.
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Bears are worth 1.1 billion
They probably make more than 60 million but I’m not sure how that stuff works
Yeah, I know.
I was just going off his figures alone.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
true,
but they’re 80-27 since 2002, yikes!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Um, reversed?
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yeah,
good catch, I’m a tool.
Just to see it bolded… 27-80 since 2002!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
I wish we were 80-27.
We’d probably all be pretty happy guys and dolls.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 1, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
We all have to look at this realistically...
if the Bears continue to lose, and lose badly, that would be the only way they make wholesale changes. Even if they don’t, is there any reason, other than to make a lot of us feel a little better, to make any changes at this point in the season? They could bring back Vince Lombardi and Jim Finks from the dead tomorrow and it still wouldn’t get us into the playoffs for 2009.
So let’s hope the ownership is considering their alternatives and make their moves at the right time, which would be after the season ends. Making any change now eliminates you from going after any coaches currently employed, not just HC but coordinators and position coaches as well. Let’s hope they stay calm and look at all the options to improve the team for next year and beyond. This year is gone, look at the talent you have in the player ranks and make your decisions on the coaches once it all plays out.
Kubiak
Wilt. Great post. Was wondering when someone would post the abilities, confidence, and respect that the league players have for Kubiak. Get him on board and this mans results will surprise a great number of people. There are a lot of darn good players on 500 or below teams that are in the same position as some of our Bear players because of lousy coaching and leadership that would jump at the chance to prove themselves better than an average or less player. I think that Kubiak has that kind of magnetism, experience, and ability to mold an offence that would help the Bears regain their confidence and respect around the league.
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