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A Deeper look at an possible 3-4 defensive scheme in Chicago

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With a possible chance of Former Super Bowl coach Bill Cowher joining the Bears in 2010, It's only right to see what current personel on this roster could fit in a 3-4 being that Cowher has run this Defense for the majority of his career. Here are the positions that some of these players can possibly play in the trendy 3-4 defense.

Defensive Lineman

Jarron GilbertScouts projected him as a 3-4 end coming from San Jose State.  He played both End and Nose back in college, but scouts worry that he's too small to be a NFL 3-4 Nose Tackle.

Tommie Harris-  Tommie still commands double teams, and that would probably continue as a 3-4 end. The question would be could Cowher put up with Tommie's B.S. I take a wild guest and say no.

Marcus Harrison- Would have to bulk back up to 340 to play 3-4 Nose tackle, and even then you have to see if he can be effective at possibly the most important position in a 3-4. He probably would fit better as a 3-4 end than a Nose Tackle.

Linebackers

Brian Urlacher- You can put Urlacher in any defensive system, and he would thrive in it. We all seen before the Lovie era what Urlacher can do when he has big space eaters on the line. In a 3-4 he projects as a MILB.

Lance Briggs- What is said about Urlacher can also be said for Briggs. The 49ers (who also runs a 3-4) thought enough of Briggs to try to make a run for him last year. If the proper defensive line is intact him and Urlacher can reek havoc as MILB's.

Gaines Adams- I really do not see him ever panning out as a Defensive end who have to rush from a 3 point stance. Reason for this is because of his ridicolous small frame and lack of strength. With the proper coaching Gaines can become all-pro Rush Outside Linebacker in the same mold of an Terrell Suggs.

Mark Anderson- To small and not effective enough against the rush to play end in a 3-4 so would have to play outside linebacker. If the Bears get Cowher and make the switch to the 3-4, it would be wise to resign a guy who played in the system in college and could become a solid player in it in the NFL.

Henry MeltonAnother defensive end that has the potential to make the switch from end to Outside rush linebacker. Melton played in the 3-4 back at Texas, but played defensive end. At Outside Linebacker he could use his  athleticism and quickness off the edge to create pressure in the backfield. The trick is can he drop back in coverage and cover TE's and RB's.

Jamar Williams- Probably has the potential to play all the linebacker spots in a 3-4 defense. Probably would be a good fit at OLB in a 3-4.

Secondary

Zachary Bowman- I'm in the group that thinks Bowman is only going to be better. He has the potential to become a ball hawking CB.

Charles Tillman (FS)- A new coaching would probably move Tillman to Free Safety, were he can pre-long his career and maybe make a pro bowl or two.

Cory Graham-  Yes he lacks top end speed, but he has enough strength in run support and coverage to be a solid NFL starting corner.

Al Afalava (SS)- Would benefit a lot in a scheme that allows him to blitz and attack the offensive backfield.

D.J. Moore- If he can ever live up to the ball hawking and coverage skills he displayed at Vandy, he would be a good starting corner opposite Bowman in a 3-4.

 

These are some personnel parts that I think can make the transition to the 3-4 system. Ogunleye is too small to play DE in a 3-4 and not that quick to be a OLB. Alex Brown quite possibly can play OLB so he's maybe a stay if they make the transition. Hunter Hillenmeyer would get eaten alive in a 3-4, and Anthony Adams reason for coming to the Bears was because he wasn't the proto-typical Nose Tackle the Niners was looking for. Sure the front office would be wise to go out and look for a space eating Nose tackle in mold of a Vincent Wolfolk and Shaun Rodgers. They also would need to add some parts along the line backing corps and defensive end that can step in and play if the current parts on this roster don't mesh. Overall the current talent in this defense have the potential to play at a high level in a 3-4.

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by propheteer on Dec 1, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whaaaatt?

thats not good for me

by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Lovie, after he gets fired, coming into a hotel with an icecream van he could afford

-“What’s up vanilla face, my homie Jerry and I just parked our slab outside and need a place to postup our black asses for the thenight…” It would be funny if the police were called and it made national headlines. haha

by GriggsBriggs on Dec 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's from Borat.

If you haven’t seen it, it won’t make any sense.

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by Kev H on Dec 3, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting post

I like what I’ve read. I could certainly see how this could work. Nice post!

by Bears Fan Chad on Dec 1, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

space eating nose tackles don't grow on trees

Good ones who are not just big but quick on their feet are rare and expensive, but well worth it if you want a 3-4 to work to the max as nique implied above. I didn’t know that Harrison was up near 340, but I do remember he had a weight problem coming in.

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by Maelvampyre on Dec 1, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

YES PLEASE!

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by SoulEater7 on Dec 1, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post!

Where do you see Manning fitting in? Despite what others think, Manning has progressed quite a bit this year and he’s starting to grow on me.

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by smudgers on Dec 1, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Probably just as a nickelback, I think there's more upside with Tillman at FS than Manning.

But maybe a new coaching staff can coach Manning up to his full potential at FS.

by NiqueBears on Dec 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

Lovie has been most at fault for stunting his growth and progression at FS.

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by propheteer on Dec 1, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until you have a better CB on the roster

Tillman will never move to FS.

And by the way great post! I love the 3-4 defense, the Packers made the switch in 1 offseason from a 4-3 to a 3-4, the Bears just have to get the right coaches in place to teach the D

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 2, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

but it hurt Kampman when he switch out to LB. Some DE just can not make the switch to playing standing up. I hope G.Adams and M. Anderson can make the change to OLB but even if they can’t we can keep Briggs on the OLB and just have Adams and Anderson play hand down as rushers outside of the tackles (moving them around trying to confuse the O-Line).

The next issue is space-eater at NT. Harrison needs to put on like 30-40 lbs still. Shaun Rogers did a thing for the NFL network talking about being a NT in the 3-4. He stated that you need to be at 300 plus change of 30 to 40 lbs. You just can’t find these guys laying around anymore (Remember when the Bears actually had TWO NT, Washington and Traylor). IMHO to make the 3-4 work properly the NT is the key to the whole scheme. You have to have Jaba the Stout in the middle taking on two O-Line while your DE’s are taking up Tackles, leaving a OLB coming in off the edges and with ILBs plugging the inside running lanes it is tough.

Hopefully we can make it work in Chicago.

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by gaclaudy on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what worries me some.

Our most consistent line player is Alex Brown. In a season full of darkness on defense, he and briggs have been the bright spots. I understand that to make an omelette you have to crack some eggs, but it would suck to see him go. If we were going to make the switch, though I guess its better to just do it, though, and let the chips fall where they may. Then again, he may get some value for us as trade bait to help with the conversion.

by ChiLobo#23 on Dec 2, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Make no mistake....

THIS WILL BE PAINFUL!

Watching O-gun & Brown leave and moving Harris and Gilbert to DE’s will cause alot of growing pains. If will also hurt for Briggs and Urlacher as they now have to change roles and responsibilities from 3 LB Corps to a 4 LB Corps and don’t even start me on what our transtional OLB/DE will be going thru but in today’s game I just can’t see us sticking with 4-3 much longer and expecting it work.

I am truly amazed that NO and MIN still are having such success with a 4-3 Defense.

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by gaclaudy on Dec 2, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am truly amazed that NO and MIN still are having such success with a 4-3 Defense.

Well, with good enough players and the right scheme… of which we have neither.

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by Spongie on Dec 3, 2009 3:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree.

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

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by gaclaudy on Dec 3, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some teams are moving to a smaller NT

Often, they are using a rotation of 2-3 players. San Diego has had their NT on IR, so they went to a 3 man rotation. Denver did the same with a 2 man – Thomas and Fields are both about 316. That’s still not small, but it’s easier to find than 340. Dallas uses Ratliff, who runs about 310.

To do it, you switch to a more penetrating one-gap style. It’s still the 3-4, but it’s a little different – more Nolan/Phillips than the Fairbanks-Bullough that NE runs, for example, where they have monster noses in Wilfork (325) and Brace (330).

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Dec 6, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

unemployment line

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by BearNecessities on Dec 2, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well done

not a 3-4 fan at all but you make a very good argument

by jay42 on Dec 1, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

It makes it look possible to run a 3-4

by DaHamsta on Dec 1, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It makes sense considering the league has become pass happy.

Plus with the front 4 the bears have now why not, they don’t get to the qb anyways.

The stupidity of this city from the politics to the sports teams is at an all time high. In order for change it might take people dying.. look at the Blackhawks.

by SoulEater7 on Dec 1, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

not a cover 2 4-3 anyway

It worked better when Traylor and Washington were anchoring the D line.

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by Maelvampyre on Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big fan of the 3-4.

However, the way our defense has been underachieving, why not?

by GouldisGold on Dec 1, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Brown

I believe he would be a good fit at OLB cause he does possess some skill and awareness in coverage. He would have to slim down a tad, but very possible. HH, J. Williams, and Roach would be on the outside looking in cause of their lack of size.

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by propheteer on Dec 1, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

then

they get traded for draft picks. If Cowher (or anyone else) comes in, expect a huge shakeup, from top to bottom. coaches, players, the whole shebang.

wouldn’t be surprised, if we switch to 3-4, if we somehow pry shaun rogers away from the browns. Mangini has a way of screwing his teams over with undercompensation for good players.

Rogers is a little lazy, but he’s certainly in the upper half of nose tackles for the 3-4. Tommie will be traded if we switch to 3-4. You need fast tampa-2 style under tackles for your 3-4 ends. and tommie isn’t that anymore.

by Nih1lus on Dec 1, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Harris wouldn’t be able to hold up at the LOS as a DE in the 3-4. He’s got the size for it, but I doubt he has the strength.

We're not scaremongering (nightmare of a season continues), this is really happening (Bears are more than done) - Radiohead

by propheteer on Dec 1, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wait just 1 minute

where do we put Idonije in at

by DaHamsta on Dec 1, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He can regain his normal weight

in and around 295 and play DE in a 3-4.

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by propheteer on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fullback

Of course!

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by Spongie on Dec 2, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect

Idonije can be staring DE and FB

by DaHamsta on Dec 2, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been preaching your exact line-up here for two months now

Time to dump the 4-3 Cover 2.

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

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by gaclaudy on Dec 1, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Bears need to get some draft picks

Maybe Alex Brown or Mark Anderson can attract a 2nd round pick…

by sirus19x on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Small linebackers blow ...

…I’d be cool going with the 3-4. Like Lovie says “It’s all 7 right …”

by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Melton as an OLB probably wouldn’t convert the way you want. leaving him at DE would be best, but i’d love to see DJ moore get some field time

something needs to happen with Gaines Adams, and it isn’t happening at DE.

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

try it out on madden

I know i will…it does make a lot of sense. I believe Harrison played a little NT at arkansas but i dont remember since we arkansas fans tend to block out the houston nutt years.
could also move steltz to an outside linebacker…yeah i think after work madden and i have a date haha

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by tomh115 on Dec 2, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Free Agent NT's

Here’s a few 3-4 NT’s that will be on the market after this year. I think Harrison or Adams could be fine if they added weight, but I’m bored.

Casey Hampton, Pit, 32, 325 (he might be a little old but he’s fat, so I listed him)
John Jolly, GB, 26, 325 (actually a DE in GB but could switch to NT)
Ryan Pickett, GB, 30, 340 (resigning him would block Raji from getting playing time).
Gabe Watson, Ari, 26, 329 (I wanted the Bears to sign him last year but resigned for 1 yr)
Vince Wilfork, NE, 28, 325 (he’s a hog but NE spent a 2nd round pick on Ron Brace)

Here’s the rest of the upcoming FA D Linemen.
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DL&y=2010

by boondock_saint812 on Dec 2, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would sign Wilfork or Pickett in a New York minute.

Wilfork does a great job for the Pats as a NT and Pickett is the Jaba the Stout you need to run the 3-4. Knowing “The Hooded One” and how he doesn’t like to resign players, I can see Wilfork getting let go at the end of the season. Of course after seeing the vaulted “D” of New England get shredded this year, I bet Hoodie rethinks this whole “letting the high price talent leave” mantra he has been living by.

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by gaclaudy on Dec 2, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no way

wilfork doesn’t get the franchise tag. it’s gonna be an uncapped year anyways, no reason to be picky with the money. jolly will probably be resigned, and pickett is overrated. jaba the stout isn’t good if he can’t tackle and always gets tripped up by offensive linemen.

honestly, i would go with watson or wilfork. they’re both young enough to keep around for a while. or draft a big NT. If he needs technique training, good thing we have Rod.

by Nih1lus on Dec 2, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of Wilfork,

how about Logan Mankins? I can’t imagine the Patriots keeping both of those guys.

by GouldisGold on Dec 2, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weight?

Is that combine weight for those players? There’s no way Wilfork only weighs 325!! At least 350!!

by McRipper on Dec 2, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what he is listed at on the teams website and NFL.com.

by boondock_saint812 on Dec 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured that's where their weights are from

I guess it’s kind of like with basketball teams when they say a guy is 6’10 but he’s really 6’7.

by McRipper on Dec 2, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

during the Saints

game Gruden and Jaws were talking and said he hovers right around 340 lbs this year

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Dec 3, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jolly and Pickett will both likely be resigned. Raji will probably take Jolly’s starting spot next year, but we will likely use a rotation on the d-line like we have this year.

by packallday555 on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still prefer the 4-3.

You make a good argument, Nique, but the 3-4 makes it so easy to run the ball up the middle. And the defense doesn’t put as much pressure on the QB.

This is another reason I would prefer Shanahan over Cowher. Shanahan always ran the 4-3.

by GouldisGold on Dec 2, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You make a good argument, Nique, but the 3-4 makes it so easy to run the ball up the middle. And the defense doesn’t put as much pressure on the QB.

I don’t mean to be an ass, but both of those points are completely wrong. The goal is for the NT to take up a double team. This leaves 1 blocker to block the 2 ILB’s. Most teams also have their DE’s in the 3-4 line up on the inside shoulder of the OT’s, which makes it a bit harder to run up the middle.

The 3-4 actually makes it easier to get pressure because it provides more blitz schemes, and areas to blitz from.

by packallday555 on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you guys should

look into drafting alabama’s Terrence Cody if yall want to switch to a 3-4

by vikesfan4lyf on Dec 2, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

we just speculate

for all we know we will be running the 4-3 cover nothing next year with the same coaching staff :(

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by tomh115 on Dec 3, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

we won’t have any safeties on the field as a “new look” defense

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Dec 3, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it will

totally confuse the QBs until they realize what they have no safeties and their corners are crap…the linebackers are in wheelchairs from injuries and such time to audible and streak everybody…hike and the away team throws a touchdown

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by tomh115 on Dec 3, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea

If we had a 1st round pick lol, unless he falls to the third

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by ThorCo on Dec 4, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 is no doubt a more sensible defense ....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-01-03-defense-cover_N.htm

Interesting article on the emerging popularity of the 3-4. Green Bay were watched eagerly this season with their transition from the 4-3. I thought they looked pretty awesome against us in week one – maybe we were worse than we looked after all. Now they’re statistically the best defense in the NFL. Is that all to do with personnel ? There’s an interesting point made in the article about the 3-4 having more ‘moving parts’ – offering you more flexibility, more options, creating more difficult matchups for the offense – and it’s perfectly designed for versatile linebackers who can do more than one thing. Can’t see Lovie/Angelo buying into it, but it makes rational sense to move in that direction. It’s like when Thomas Edison said about the telephone …“In the future I can see a need for putting one of these telephones in every city in America.” 3-4 is gaining popularity without a doubt, and for good reason, adapt or die.

 

by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 3, 2009 1:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Despite differences in the 3-4, there is universal agreement: The schemes are built around linebackers.

Slight problem for our adopting a 3-4 there, then.

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by Spongie on Dec 3, 2009 3:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Green Bay has a very good defensive coaching staff

That is the biggest reason why Green Bay has made a successfull transition to the 3-4. Green Bay also had the right personel to make the change, with the exception of DE Aaron Kampman and Al Harris.

The benefit of the 3-4 is how it can confuse the offense. However, keep in mind the hybrid OLB is generally less physical than a standard 4-3 DE. It may not always be easy to generate a lot of pressure. Just like the 3-4, the 4-3 can work if you have the right personnel. You have to have the right coaching staff and players to make it work. Usually, a switch to the 3-4 takes a lot of time. Green Bay and Denver switched easily because they had the right players to fit the system. Most of their players did not fit the 4-3 as previous seasons indicated.

by Jabooty on Dec 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that with all our defensive lineman

we should probably try a unique 6-3-2 formation.

Please know that I’m joking.

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by Kev H on Dec 3, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It might stop a run up the middle, or pressure the QB.

I said might.

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by Spongie on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he were dead,

Buddy Ryan would be turning over in his grave.

Instead of a 3-4, how about junking the wimpy bend-no-break Tampa 2 scheme, for an honest to goodness pressure defense. You know, the kind that get sacks and eats the QB for lunch on 3rd and long.

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by BatCubFan on Dec 3, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't care either way...

If we go 3-4 or stay 4-3. What DOES have to change is execution and scheme. Minny’s D is pretty nasty as a 4-3. So are the Giants and Eagles. Heck, even the Colts do pretty well in what is essentially a Cover-2 D. The difference between theirs and ours is ADAPTATION and PERSONNEL.

by ChiLobo#23 on Dec 3, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like it

But don’t tell me that we’ll be using all the same players from this year. The Bears have alot of cleaning up and many additions to make before ANY defensive scheme works.

by GriggsBriggs on Dec 3, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whatever scheme you play

It boils down to who you’re putting out there. If you’re running a 4-3, and you don’t get enough pressure from your front 4, you’re gonna have problems against the pass. When Harris was in his prime, Mark Anderson had a career year, largely because the pressure from the middle was drawing so much attention. Harris isn’t 340, but a few years ago, nobody could stop him 1 on 1.

The Vikings have been very successful running their 4-3, mainly because of the Williams twins in the middle. When you’re getting pressure from your front 4, the 4-3 can work really well.

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by JimmyMack on Dec 5, 2009 6:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see Jamar Williams yesterday ..

… didn’t need to. 18 tackles. We’ve got some ’backers to play 3-4 with, got some linemen too …

by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good article

I think the 3-4 defense would actually suit you guys very well. The most important thing in the 3-4 is a good group of LBs, which is something you guys have. Urlacher and Briggs would be great in the middle, and I think Anderson and Adams would be good fits on the outsides.

Harris and Harrison would likely fit, but I think Ogunleye and Brown would have some struggles similar to Kampman’s this year.

I don’t think you guys necessarily need a change on defense though. With Urlacher and Tinosoima (sp?) back, I think your defense would look much better then it has. I think Harris is beginning to decline, and your safetys aren’t the greatest, though I think Afalava and Manning have potential.

by packallday555 on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, but I disagree

The Packers made an easy change because of their coaching staff making it possible. Their LB’s are very fast as well, so they didn’t fit the 4-3 as good as they’d hope for. Their defensive linemen with the exception of Aaron Kampman are all very big. Cullen Jenkins rotated from DT to DE often. Enough said there. Therefore, with the change to the 3-4, their big defensive linemen did a great job in occupying blockers while freeing up a LB or CB that is blitzing.

The Bears have an excellent core of LB’s, but they are not known for their speed. Instead, they are known for their awareness and hard hitting abilities. They are an intimidating group of LB’s. Although Urlacher and Briggs would be excellent ILB’s, they wouldn’t have the ideal OLB’s and their defensive linemen would go through some growing pains as well. Gaines Adams definately looks like a flop at DE. We can all see that. However, like many have indicated, he could be a more ideal Hybrid OLB. With that said, look at how Washington utilizes Brian Orakpo

I know many will be shaking heads when I say Washington, but they have a good defense. Brian Orakpo was thought to be the ideal 3-4 OLB, but was drafted by WA to play as a 4-3 OLB. Most of us were shaking our heads, but he has 9 sacks on the year as a rookie. How has this worked? Washington runs a lot of zone coverages and zone blitzes. Perhaps Chicago could put Gaines Adams at a Hybrid OLB position and changing the defense from a Cover 2 to a Zone Coverage Defense. Therefore, the transition will not be too hectic as your players are more familiar with zone defensive schemes.

It’s a suggestion and probably something I would do if I were the Head Coach or Defensive Coordinator in Chicago. You get to add that complexity to the defense by starting Gaines Adams as the OLB. He may not be the most ideal covering LB, but he would be the best blitzing LB on the roster.

On a side note, I am a Packer fan. I just want to say good game today. Our games are always very stressfull for me. Sometimes I wonder why I watch our games because they get so stressfull. One thing I will say about Chicago, is that I have a lot of respect for your franchise and history as opposed to those on the west side of the Mississippi River.

by Jabooty on Dec 13, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ya think so?

Only reason Green Bay is successful with the 3-4 this year, …….Clay Matthews…………plays with the intensity of his father……you have to have the personnel…..we do not…….You need the big wide body nose……..A 3-4 lives and dies with the nose…….PERIOD.

by AnthonyC on Dec 15, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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