Back to the Loser: Lovie to return in 2010
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 18, 2009 8:58 PM CST
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According to John "Moon" Mullin over at CSN Chicago, two separate individuals high up in the Bears' organization have confirmed that Lovie Smith will return as the Bears HC in 2010. As I was watching the Blackhawks game tonight, I saw a headline for this evening's "sports night" that was questioning the security of Lovie as our HC going into 2010, unfortunately I am getting the wrong outcome that I have been hoping for. Apparently Moon feels like this all but secures Lovie to be back next season, although that doesn't mean anything is for certain but it is disappointing none the less.
The article is posted below and may God have mercy on our souls.
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There is no Earthly reason for Lovie to return but this
The McCaskey’s care more about money than they do winning.
No intelligent person, based on the last 2 3/4 seasons, would say that Lovie deserves to be back.
Nobody would say that.
Nobody with half a working brian cell would say that the Bears wouldn’t be at least as good as they now are (and much more likely better) with even a few ex-1985 Bears like Ron Rivera and Leslie Frazier at the helm.
Does anyone think that Rivera or Frazier could do WORSE? I sure don’t.
That’s right. Who needs a young DYNAMIC head coach like a Mike Singletary prowling the sidelines? Not when we have Lovie!!!! (Hysterical).
Lovie Smith, in 2010 will be the CLASSIC defintion of a "Lame Duck.’
Unless the 2010 Bears get of to a great start, 2010 promises to be a(nother) complete disaster with Lovie at the helm.
Lovie’s time (to take a team to the Super Bowl) has come -and-gone in Chicago.
Any intelligent fan knows and understands this.
To our great misfortune, the McCaskey’s don not qualify as ‘Intelligent fans.’
The McCaskeys
Are among the worst owners in sports. They’re not comitted to winning. Of course they’ll bring Lovie back. The McCaskeys don’t just suck, they don’t care about what the fans want.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
I can't believe.....
I am going to do this BUT the McCaskey’s are not even close to the worst owners in sports.
Let’s review:
1. Since the Michael days, the family has stayed out of most football decisions.
2. The team has spent on big name free agents. This is a fact!
3. For a time, the Bears had the best record in this decade.
The McCaskey’s have allowed Phillips, Angelo and Lovie to run the team. That is THEIR MISTAKE. They have hired the wrong people. As owners, I would much rather have them than Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones.
As for not caring about what the fans want, they shouldn’t it. There are many fans who are still living and breathing 1985-6. Enough already.
IMHO I believe this whole group is still at risk. If the team shits the bed the final three games they will be hard pressed to bring them back. I have never wished for the Beloved to lose…. Until now…….
by timeforachange2009 on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
All we can do is grin and BEAR it...good things come to those who wait
"You know, when you said that last time, I was kinda trippin right. But now...you're right. I am crazy...But you know what else? I dont give a fuck."---Bishop in Juice
by chi_till_eye_die on Dec 20, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Jerry Jones than the McCaskeys - in a heart beat
Snyder, not so much. But anyway, when was the last time we signed a big-time free agent? I’m not counting Pace, since his career was basically over when we brought him in.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
And I disagree about the owners not having to care about what the fans want or think
If they’re interested in getting the most out of this franchise, you bet they need to take the fans (their customers) seriously. Right now, the McCaskeys are basically sitting on their laurels, because they’ve got the second largest NFL market all to themselves. That’s just lazy. Look at Dallas. It’s a smaller market and they out-sell the Bears every year. That should NEVER happen. We should be able to build a winner here, and out-sell the smaller markets on a regular basis.
It’s not that difficult. If you don’t understand football, that’s okay. You can bring in some consultants who do understand the game to help you hire the right people to build a winner. If you do that, you’re going to make more money in the long run than if you’re cheap and just sit back – watching the team lose every year.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
One more year
And then we get to watch them rebuild….I just hope Cowher is still around for us.
by BigAppleBearsFan on Dec 18, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Why one more year?
Look. This goes to ‘common sense.’
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the Bears have too many holes (O-Line, #1 WR, DB’s) to compete for the playoffs/SB next season.
Wouldn’t that be a Hell of a lot easier to swallow with a new coaching regime than with Lovie and company?
At least with a new staff one could say that they are ‘rebuilding.’
With Lovie it will be ‘another WASTED’ year.
Makes no sense to me.
I'm right with ya
I just don’t see it happening…can’t see the McCaskeys eating Lovie’s contract. I really, really wish they would, but we’re stuck.
My worst case scenario: somehow we make the playoffs under Lovie next year and drop back to the toilet for the following 3 years again
by BigAppleBearsFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
Apparently our good old McCaskey rocket scientists think differently.
by GriggsBriggs on Dec 19, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
dont go to games
The only way to get change is to stop putting money in their pockets. Don’t watch games or go to them. If u have season tix and u go to the games then u cannot bitch about the product on the field. If u don’t watch games the ratings drop and they make less money. Its time to put up or shut up. I’m done with them until lovie is gone. I will still visit wcg though. Great website.
by Ryan21 on Dec 19, 2009 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's the $11 million question
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Depressing, yes
I would wager that “losing out” and getting blown out by Minnesota would help the “fire Lovie” cause regardless. Things could still change. Unfortunately, while we are waiting for Lovie to screw things up to the point where the Bears officially can’t retain a shred of credibility by keeping him, Shanahan, Holmgren, and other coaching prospects are being signed by other teams. Phillips is an accountant; he should have had a talk with Angelo about Denver’s monetary obligations to Shanny.
Things are bad when the MSM and players call you out for being a sh*t organization that will try to put a “band-aid on a corpse” because it’s so painfully obvious that big changes are needed, but a scapegoat will be sacrificed to appease fans.
Well time to go down to the basement and find some rope and a sturdy pipe. Anyone got a chair?
"Why does Jay Cutler look so bad running these awful plays behind an incompetent offensive line?" - VeryFakeAlDavis
You don't need a SB winning coach
32 year old Josh McDaniels replaced the ‘great’ Mike Shanahan and already has won more games this year than last year.
Mike Singletary took over a .327 team and already is around 500.
Few coaches could/would do WORSE than Lovie Smith at this point.
Really.
I'm not saying that big names are the only options
I agree that it can’t get much worse. I would even take a gamble on Shanny Jr. or Leslie (even though it’s a girl’s name), but do you think management would make the right HC choice? I have serious doubts. At least proven commodities would be more reassuring. There are a lot of people saying that MS is studying and scheming like crazy this year, and he will go to a new team on the cheap. That’s my only point with him. Regardless, it’s pretty easy to upgrade at HC.
"Why does Jay Cutler look so bad running these awful plays behind an incompetent offensive line?" - VeryFakeAlDavis
I posted this earlier
It’s REAL simple.
The Bears dominated football in the ’80’s with two of the hardest ass coaches in NFL history (MIke Ditka & Buddy Ryan)..
Since then, the geniuses in the McCaskey family have gone 180 and hired three nice guys (Wannstedt, Jauron and Lovie).
Yeah, that makes sense.
I have MORE confidence in my abilty to pilot a space shuttle than I do in the McCaskey’s to hire a GREAT (rookie or veteran) head coach.
Right SoulEater
Just like Jerry Jones in Dallas.
Interestingly enough, when Michael McCaskey took over the team after Papa Bears death, he soon modeled his role in the organization after JJ himself.
I'd take a flyer on Russ Grimm
He’s an up and comer who’s been successful with Pitt and ‘Zona; he’s also an offensive guy who’s had great results on the O-line.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Russ Grim
Would make a great O-line coach – which is obviously what we need. He’d probably be a better HC than Lovie, too.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Unfortunately
Do you know if he’s assistant HC/O-line coach or assistant HC/OC?
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
No, I'm not sure what his title is over there
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
I sure hope
Moon was writing this to piss off all of the Bear Community just so our voices could be heard and the McCaskeys wake the hell up. If this is true, then I hope all of the Bear faithful boycott this team until the necessary changes are made. With Lovie and Ron being the first order of business.
There will be the 1 national televised game next year because of the culture of crap Lovie and Co has created here in Chicago.
Da effing owners of this team leave us fans wallowing in our own vomit and bloody knuckles, just so they can save a dollar by keeping a bad pop warner coach around. Here is to you Virginia! Thank you, your wise and frugal decisions are paying off nicely!
Do we have the owners of the Movie Major League? do they want this team to suck on a yearly basis?
I am so disturbed at how this is even possible.
How many years are left on
JA and lovie’s contracts?
Two, I believe.
Thus $11 million owed to him through ’11- $5.5 per year.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
somebody do the maths
by keeping lovie yhey could lose out big time.the fans would or could stay away,therefore loosing gate receipts that could in effect nullify what is owed in wages to lovie. by firing him or accepting his resignation they could gain. more people would show up in anticipation of a big season.especialy if they hire the right person.these relations of papa bear should never have inherited this franchise.they arent taking this team foreward in the spirit of halas.
They do it,
because Soldier Field is going to sell out either way. They aren’t really losing that much money when people like us get mad about a coaching decision. If enough people got angry enough that they couldn’t sell out on Sundays, then you would see change.
Exactly
The McCaskeys will never get the balls to eat Lovies’ (or Angelo’s) contract as long as guys like us keep on buying the product that they’re putting out.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
found some interesting news
“Former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan has been in discussions to become the Washington Redskins’ next head coach, according to two NFL sources.
domino effect?
I understand this is a business...
and that will be the main premise of my argument. The Bears owners make money when the fans show up at the games and when they get the TV revenue. Two factors that weigh in favor of the McKaskeys are the large population and TV market in Chicago. The fans consistently sell out Soldier field, and the TV market commands larger advertising dollars. The city effectively owns Soldier field and thus only Bears game ticket sales make the team money. TV revenues are a bit harder to value because the TV contract is not 32 separate contracts with each team, but a single contract where there are differences in how much each team is paid. Teams make more money for the featured games like MNF, SNF, and other non-Sunday afternoon games.
So how does all of this tie in to Lovie?
Well…the Bears fans are not likely to stop showing up at the stadium for games. I guess it is possible, but there are the PSLs, luxury boxes, and other season ticket holders that will not give up their seats without good reason and having a bad few years doesn’t prompt that because hope for a better future will keep them put. Any of the hardcore fans will go to show their support for the team and/or the tailgating. Any of those who do decide to stay away will end up having their tickets purchased by others. This team would have to be STL Rams bad for a decade before the attendance would actually drop off.
That leaves the TV revenue. If the Bears continue to falter and produce sub .500 seasons, they will lose the “specialty” games described above. Look at the Lions for an example, if they did not have a Thanksgiving day game they would not have had any of these revenue generating “specialty” games. Since the Bears do play in the top few TV markets, there will always be a big push to get them on “primetime”, but if they are that bad, no TV exec. will want them…
THUS…Lovie is pushing the team toward losing TV revenues. The value of the team may not actually decline, but the yearly revenues will drop and more than offset the “loss” of money against firing Lovie. I cannot imagine Ted Phillips and the McKaskeys being happy about bringing in less money because of the Lovie’s failures to improve the team standing. If this were a single year of poor performance, that may be one thing, but 3 years without playoff revenue and the likelihood that next season will have fewer “specialty” TV games has to start weighing on this team’s balance sheet. In a sense, it’s a better business decision to fire Lovie and get a “star” type coach to buy them a game or 2 of this type of revenue that would easily offset the cost. Let’s hope the owners see it that way!!!!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
How significant
is the revenue generated by being in a prime time slot? Is this something you actually know or just an assumption about how the revenue sharing works?
All TV revenue is equally divided between all 32 teams
Equally. There is no difference at all, concerning primetime games or anything else.
Supposedly the TV revenue covers the entire salary cap.
Therefore all player salaries are fully paid before a single ticket (or beer or parking pass etc) is sold.
The ticket revenue is (I believe) divided this way: 60% to the home team, 40% to the visiting team. That was the way it used to be. It may have changed somewhat.
These teams are rolling in dough. Make no mistake about it.
Also, the value of these teams goes up and up and up.
The greatest example is Jerry Jones.
He bought the Cowboys for 140 million.
20 years later they are worth 1.6 Billion.
Not too bad.
The McCaskey’s paid nothing for this team.
They are now worth close to a billion.
It’s almost disgusting.
While I am willing to believe you...
I remember reading about the night games a few years back and I thought I recalled it as being a differential for the teams competing on those games. I know the basic contract for the TV networks is with the NFL and not the teams, but the revenue sharing (as i understood it) was partially competitive due the increase in ad sales. Nonetheless, firing Lovie can still be a good business decision, at least from our perspective.
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
The worst thing
that is going to come from this is that we will get another wasted draft from JA.
He better not
go with “high upside players” again. This team needs guys who will come in and play right away.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Well
I guess I can endure one year of lovie’s incompetence.As long as the entire offensive coaching staff is gone and they get smart people.
And fire Angelo plz
Or hire a consultant to do his drafting.
I'm liking the fact that Jon Gruden's contact is apparently iron-clad for 2010.
Where could you possibly end up in 2011, Mr. Gruden, where could you possibly end up?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Does anyone find the timing a bit odd? Why would this get leaked this week which was arguably
Lovie Smiths’ worst as a Bears head coach?
If the main reasoning is that they don’t wanna buy him out of his 11 million owed thats horse crap. I just don’t think this adds up. This has been one of the worst Bears seasons in a long time and it’s now been 3 years since a playoff appearance this would be the time to hire a new head coach.
The only other reason I could see him stay is if there was a lockout and they don’t play next season.
I don’t buy what Moon Mullin is reporting.
"The only other reason I could see him stay is if there was a lockout and they don’t play next season"
Well you forgot.Bears management lack common sense.
Yeah but there is a swell of negativity for this regime. It's not just the fans.
People in the media are bashing this coaching staff. If they do bring back the same coach and fail to make improvement that could be more devastating than the eleven million owed to LS. It would be wiser to fire Smith and bring in a new regime to increase optimism with the fan base. The right move is to fire Smith and Angelo. There is no other way around this. Other than a lockout and work stoppage.
I think Moon’s leaking sources are bogus.
Something's off
I too question the timing of all this and exactly HOW reliable is this? He says 2 higher ups but other major outlets, with better sources, haven’t made a peep in regards to Lovie. SO my question is why write this? I’m not confident Lovie will be fired but for him to write this at a suspect time is odd. Also who’s to say Mullin isn’t writing this to get a rise out of the organization at a time when Cerrato resigns, Shanahan talks to the Redskins and Holmgren meets with the Browns? Maybe this is a way of saying that time is running out and that good coaches are being taken.
i am liking the (albeit remote) possibility
that if the bears embarrass themselves badly the next 3 weeks that moon’s source and the other bears brass will think long and hard about keeping lovie around. i like the guy personally but it is very clear that his services are no longer needed and he needs to move on.
There is also the
chance that this “high level source” is not high enough or might not be included in the group that is going to be retained.
Another thing
normally team higher ups come out and give their coaches a vote of confidence, much like Washington did with Zorn. So why haven’t they done that for Lovie yet? I’m just saying before we begin freaking out let’s look at all possibilities. Also, we heard from sources before that the Bears contacted Cowher. Yeah look how that played out.
a lot of over reaction here
“According to John “Moon” Mullin over at CSN Chicago, two separate individuals high up in the Bears’ organization have confirmed that Lovie Smith will return as the Bears HC in 2010."
Is anyone really shocked at the above?
“The McCaskey’s care more about money than they do winning.”
Yes, and the same is true of most if not all of the other owners, that’s why they are RICH.
I could go on and on, but the point of my post is to say that the season isn’t over yet and we should see how things play out when the season is done.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Ok who's with me
I’m changing to Detriot til Lovie is gone. Who’s coming with me?
Why there are so many good games to watch.
I remember what we use to be. Which makes me keep watching. There are so many teams to cheer for.
Well at least after next season the new coach.
will have a top 5 draft pick to work with..(hopefully if JA doesn’t trade it away for a bust DT)
Live in Denver
I’ll follow an up-start team like the Donkeys. Actually, going to the game today against the Raaaidas!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Hire a new OC
lets see what happens then
maybe be all we need is consistency on offense that helpes lead to more wins,
just a little postive thinking
i think this will signal bye bye turner
that piture is not of lovie
it is some sort of clone since that thing is smiling, Lovie cannot show any emotion, therefore that is clearly not lovie
Dear McCaskey's
…look at the Blackhawks. Make the fans happy like our NHL team or gracefully leave. Lovie coming back is about as worse as “HawkVision.”
Who am I kidding? Fans let us boycott/walkout…that’s the only way this family will get the message.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Dec 19, 2009 8:14 PM CST reply actions
Crossing the Line
You may not like Lovie Smith. He may not be the best coach for the Bears. But calling him a Loser is crosing the line. Win or lose, he’s a class act and deserves better
It was a play on
Back to the Future and a guy who dismantles a Super Bowl team and doesn’t get us to the playoffs for 3 straight years is a loser. I don’t care how much of a class act he is.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 19, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry that I crossed the line
but if you want to throw fisticuffs I’ve got Jack Johnson and Thomas O’Leary right here for ya.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 19, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
LOL. Another nice reference.
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 20, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Question: how is lovie a lose?
Lovie has a winning record in his career with the bears….he has 3 winning seasons,2 divison championships and even 1 conference champioship.
I respect your opinion but wording should be different.
Hey, if what he's done is good enough for you
then I’m happy for you. I don’t trust him going in to the future and I think most people here would agree with that. It’s a bit frustrating when you know your HC is going to be around in 2010 based on the money the franchise would have to shell out to pay off his contract instead of because he’s the right guy for the job.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 19, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
I never said i didnt agree with you
Lovie shouldnt be a lock for next year because this team has been a decline since the superbowl. If lovie is around ron turner will be long gone. I just dont think calling him a loser is accurate because check the numbers hes had good success with the bears but they have been on a steady decline. I think a new OC/playcaller is what we need
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 19, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ok. I know technically he's not a loser
based on his numbers but with this turn of events we better have a new OC and QB coach for next season or Bears’ fans will want blood. Like I said in a post above it was for a play on Back to the Future and Loser seemed to flow well. Lovie is 50-43 overall as the Bears’ coach and in the past 3 seasons since the Super Bowl he’s 21-24 with no playoff appearances. Most of his victories came when we had better players and coaches on our team and he was a factor in those players and coaches not being Chicago Bears anymore. The guy has an ego and he isn’t doing much to credit his work and decisions as intelligent ones. Better coaches have been fired for less and it seems that it would be in the Bears’ best interest to send him back to Big Sandy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 19, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you pseudo Bears fans should read this carefully
The only losers are you wannabe, jump the ship when things get tough, fans. Lovie has a winning record. He is a classy guy, while working for an organization that at times has him handcuffed.
Put the blame where it belongs……On our overpaid, underachieving players……who are sitting on the sidelines with niggling little injuries critiquing every other players performance. FROM the sidelines…….
Get rid of Urlacher and his fragile ass, freeing up big money……Get rid of our always injured defensive backfield and FINALLY, get us an O-Line…….not these 300 lb…..DD eating slobs…..DO NOT blame the head coach……blame those that play the game…….
Lovie Smith gives his all to this team, how about you, you future Packer fans…..?
what?
mate are you not watching the games this year? yes the players are at fault but how do you explain a coach who fails to properly coach his players or even make game-time adjustments to win? how do you explain a coach unwilling punish players who aren’t performing? we here on this thread are blaming him first and foremost because a good coach does whatever it takes to win with what he has. and secondly we all know the players are at fault as well. so before you come in with an attitude and defend Lovie and his band of idiots, learn to see that we are all aware that the ENTIRE team sucks
by frenchbears113 on Dec 20, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Everything you're complaining about would be taken care of by a good HC
Hence Lovie’s not a good coach. The Super Bowl run was a fluke.
that superbowl season
it had nothing to do with him, it was Ron Rivera and his Defense combined with Devin Hester
he has a losing record since the sb
Most of the sb team weren’t ja or lovies guys anyway.
by Ryan21 on Dec 20, 2009 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depressing
Was what hit me when I read the story. It’s as if we’re, mostly by our pride in our city, rooting for a team that is, well, poorly run. A team that is more than willing to accept poor results, poor coaching and doesn’t have a clue. It’s as if we’re fans of a team being run with more concern towards not losing money than it is winning. I know you can’t win all the time, but to be poorly run and accept that is bad mgt. Smith has had his chance, he took a fairly good team and ran it into the ground, with the promise of more of the same in 2010. No, #54 coming back isn’t going to add any wins. And, no, Cutler isn’t going to wake up next season and be a great QB. And, no, bringing in new offensive coaches (which is probably their big plan: they’re going to ‘coach-up’) will not change anything. Why? How do I know this? Because we all do. Because it’s obvious. Because everyone out there knows it. But, for some reason, the owners don’t get it. They’re probably the only ones who don’t get it. Bad for us, because they call the shots.
I wasn’t surprised when I read it. I was depressed. You get that way when you have no input, no control, over events. Reminds me of being in the Army again. BOHICA!
The major problem with the Bears is the culture. It’s a culture of losing, and of accepting less than the best. Keeping Smith fits that culture. When Smith is finally given the ax next season after another aveage year, you can bet he won’t be one of those ‘elite’ coaches like Shanahan and the others, commanding big bucks to take over another team. No, Smith will never be a head coach in the NFL again. If his mentor, and the guy who sold the Bears on Smith in the first place, Tony Dungey makes a comeback,. you can bet Smith will be his defensive coordinator. Or, if TD is really smart, he won’t be.
In the meantime, about all we can do is protest, stop going to games, stop buying #6 and #54 jerseys. Stop watching the games on tv, and basically ignore the Bears until the owners stop taking us fans for granted. Maybe then they’ll start to come around, and run off Smith, so they can hire another average coach who will bring the Bears back to an 8-8 team.’
Geez, it really sucks to be a Bears fan right now.
I understand your overwhelming frustration
but I can’t say I agree with you on everything. I don’t agree that having Urlacher next season won’t add any wins because I believe had he been around for this season, we’d be sitting on a few more. I don’t agree that Cutler won’t wake up and won’t be a great QB, the Bears just have to get the right people for the OC and QB coach position to coach this guy. I haven’t enjoyed Cutler’s play this season but I’m not going to say he won’t be a good QB for us, he needs someone to drill him on fundamentals and he needs to have someone he respects calling the plays and coaching him up. The guy is a pre-madonna but when you make the commitment to have him be your franchise QB, you cannot make him do it on his own and you have to surround him with what he needs to succeed. Proven offensive minds could help polish this offense, which is young and inexperienced, into a productive, playmaking offense with the right effort and energy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 19, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Is that really your picture?
Sorry dude……….if that pic is you, you have bigger issues than Lovie returning next year………
Remember HR PuffNStuff?……..you could be in the remake……
Get off Urlacher’s jockstrap long enough to realize that this team needs NEW players, not a new head coach……….
You’re most likely a Mike McCarthy groupie…….LMAO
That's John C. Reily in the picture. Don't be such a douche.
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 20, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not you Ditkavsworld or Polish
but anthony c
make a point
and how the hell do you not know the genius of John C.Reily?
get off your own jock and read a book
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 20, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Your an idiot.
I never said we didn’t need new players, we definitely need an upgrade in many positions. If your all for Lovie Smith being HC then you shouldn’t want Urlacher to be traded because he still believes in the guy and he’s the most experienced to run his style of defense at the MLB position. If anything you are jumping the ship on one of the best MLB’s in Bears’ history and I don’t give a shit what anybody says, the guy can still play and should. I guess Hillenmeyer, Roach or Jamar is a much better option than Urlacher at MLB right? Give me a break. Get rid of our our always injured backfield? Your not even giving specifics on anything here with this “genius” points your trying to make. Yeah, let’s just get rid of everyone in the backfield and then we can start acquiring anyone we can get to fill their positions or have our inexperienced rookies/ practice squad players fill in, but at least Lovie will still be our coach and he’ll lead us to victory! I know we need an O-line and if you were reading anything that intelligent people have been debating about for just about this whole season, it’s always been about the O-line.
For a guy who is trying to take shots at me you’d think you would try and show that your intelligent in the slightest. Your are a complete douche bag and obviously I’m not the only one who thinks that.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 20, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
I love how our "biggest free agent signing"
Has been coaching up our d line. Top to bottom we suck. Owners down to players. We need a team to move into our city to really get a change from bears ownership. Oak, jax, stl, I don’t care but Chicago needs two teams.
by Ryan21 on Dec 20, 2009 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Time to fire up the Delorean,
head back to 1920, get Halas loaded, and sneak him in for a vasectomy while he’s passed out.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
They only dress 4 WRs!!
I depise this excuse more than anything- it makes me turn green, and not from envy. I find it very difficult to believe there’s no one currently “that dresses” for games that can play gunner close to what Davis does. Now is the time to get some PT for Gilbert, DJ Moore, and Iglesias, not ’10 TC.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
That's a dumb rule.
Thats the reason this coaching staff will probably never have another coaching job besides toub.
An interesting thought
If Lovie is to return next year who’s to say he won’t be stripped of some control? Perhaps Angelo will lessen the control Smith has over personnel and if he hires a good OC, maybe that’s going to be the replacement for Lovie. Lovie is in a no-win situation when it comes to his job. Yeah he may get a free pass but he knows he’s a lame duck coach and so does everyone else. Perhaps the changes on the personnel side will make things a bit clearer for the future. And to reiterate i’m just throwing this out there. If you want it, take it if you don’t send it right back.
I love me some Lovie..... I don't care what everyone thinks...
but with that said and his job secure for at least next year… who should our OC be? ANYONE but Ron Turner sounds good to me! I think Martz would be the most feasible answer because of past ties with Lovie… and if he could bring “The Greatest Show On Turf” to Chicago it would really give something positive for this Chicago Media “Circus” to talk about… lol… sorry I couldn’t resist! LOL… think about that tho… How many teams have 2 Former HEAD coaches on their staff!!! Maranelli & Martz + Lovie…. thats gotta = SOMETHING GOOD!!! M&M are BOTH known for being guru’s in their respective area of football!!! I Truly believe our D can rebound tho… we are literally on 2nd and 3rd stingers on almost every position it seems right now so we can;t use this as a measuring stick! Then, fix the O-Line (probably the MOST important thing) and we are set!
GO BEARS!!!!
yeah
Let’s stick a bunch if shi@@y hc’s on a team and see how they do. Let’s shoot for 0-16
by Ryan21 on Dec 20, 2009 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Replacing Lovie with an actual coach would make too much sense.
I never really thought they would fire him.
If they lose out including a loss to the hapless lions, lets see what they are saying then.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
This is funny.
I remember telling someone on here that Lovie would be back in 2010. They were insisting he would be fired. I knew it all along.
are you happy to be right about this.
Besides i think about everyone on here knew he was coming back.
No one wants to hear this
but, and it’s a big but. The current roster is setup for Lovie’s scheme, not anyone else’s 4-3 read and react or 3-4 attacking zone-blitzing scheme. Unfortunately, it’s more about the money this time around. As much as I hate to say, he gets one more year to turn it around; new OC, QC, and OL coaches will be the only changes to the team. Hopefully, the offense can drastically improve with better teaching/coaching, and better offensive line play.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
I hope they will pick up a new DC as well.
So Lovie can just stand there and hold his red flag.
Well with Lovie coming back.
Maybe they are going to fire JA.
Oh man
That would be the dream. I can live with Lovie but a new GM would have the balls to strip Lovie of personnel choices and just overall power
by frenchbears113 on Dec 20, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Something besides Ron Turner
Needs to change. If RT stays I’m not even watching the Bears next year.
I never did like that trade when it happened.
Cause i knew we wouldn’t get anything to help him.
Don't know if this puts a cramp of the original story
but here’s some food for thought directly from the GM…http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=4759793
this FP is an example of an overblown rumor
my money is still on lovie not coming back
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Dec 20, 2009 6:17 PM CST reply actions
that's why I wrote "although that doesn't mean anything is for certain" in the post.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 20, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
my bad dude
i meant the the article from moon. do yo thang cuh.
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Dec 21, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't take offense.
I agree that it doesn’t really mean anything but that it was disappointing to hear.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
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