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Shanny, The Chin, Chucky, The Walrus........The Specialist? Who? If our beloved Chicago Bears decide to fire head coach Lovie Smith, should they go after a big name Super Bowl winning coach to replace him? The answer may surprise you...... 

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Dick Jauron, a name familiar with Chicago Bears fans, was the first NFL head coach to receive his pink slip this year. The Buffalo Bills cut ties with their former coach after a 3-6 record to start the season. Immediately following the release of Jauron, the Bills contacted Mike Shanahan to see if he was the man to fill their vacant head coaching position. Shanahan, along with Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden are all Super Bowl winning coaches currently being mentioned to fill vacant NFL coaching positions this off season. Those names sure sound nice, but history has shown us that no head coach has ever won a Super Bowl with one team and moved on to do the same with another.

Jauron’s successor, Lovie Smith, could soon have the same fate as his unemployed Bears alum. Though the Bears have looked awful at times this season, there still could be a good chance that Smith retains his job. The biggest factor in Smith’s favor is money. He still has two years left on his contract; if he was to be fired, it would cost the Bears franchise around $11 million. To this Bears fan, it makes sense to let Lovie go. To Bears owner Virginia McCaskey however, it might cost too many cents to let Lovie go. Added to the price of firing Smith, could be the high cost of signing one of the big name, Super Bowl winning coaches that are out there.

If the Bears brass is looking to hire a new head coach, maybe they should look no further than 1000 Football Drive in Lake Forest, IL. When Bears General Manager Jerry Angelo looks through his rolodex of current Bears coaches, he should look passed Rod Marinelli, stop short of Ron Turner and call up Dave Toub. Throughout the recent non-playoff seasons, the one consistently bright spot for our Bears has been special teams (ST); and the leader of that group is Toub.

Even though every year Toub’s job seems to get harder and harder, his ST units still flourish. He lost the greatest return man in the history of the NFL when Devin Hester got moved to a full time wide receiver; he lost his two time Pro Bowl special teamer Brendan Ayanabedajo to Free Agency after the Bears did not want to retain his services and with new NFL rule changes to start this season, he can no longer instruct his players to form a four man wedge to block for return men. Not to mention that year after year a ST coach is presented with a motley crew of back up players to work with, some of whom have never even played on special teams before. i.e, Bears back up running back Garrett Wolfe. Wolfe was placed on the Bears ST unit last year after only playing on offense his entire football career. What did Toub do with Wolfe? Turned him into one of the most valuable ST players on the roster. It just seems like players play hard for the guy and respond to his teaching.

At the beginning of this season, the Bears ST unit was a little shaky, not up to the standards we are used to. Now, 11 games into the season, with everything else that has gone wrong for our Bears, special teams is back as one of the best in the league. Kicker Robbie Gould and punter Brad Maynard may be the only Bears players that have hopes of participating in this year’s Pro Bowl. Not even our current head coach could make mid season adjustments to save the season.

There are not many other current head coaches in the league that went straight from special teams coach to head coach, only one comes really close, John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens. Ironically, before becoming the Ravens head coach, Harbaugh was the Philadelphia Eagles special teams coach/secondary coach; having Toub under him as an assistant. With Toub assisting him, Harbaugh went on to win the Special Teams Coach of the Year award in 2001, an award Toub would win five years later. Last season, Harbaugh’s first as a head coach, the Ravens were one victory away from the Super Bowl. In his second season, his Ravens have a winning record and are in the playoff hunt in a very tough division. Harbaugh’s team is very similar to that of the Bears. Both rely on running the ball, strong defense and a young quarterback with a big arm. I know it is impossible to say that Toub would have the same early success as Harbaugh, but the similarities are eerie.

For a Bears team that would be strapped for cash if they fire Lovie, Toub would come much cheaper than any of the big name coaches. He is currently in the last year of his contract and may be a hot commodity to other teams. It is highly possible that another team could offer him more money or a higher coaching position.  In other words, an offer he couldn’t refuse.

Though costly, the Bears can afford to fire Lovie Smith, however, I don’t think they can afford to let Dave Toub leave Chicago.

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Excellent post and interesting points.

Do we know anything about what kind of an offensive or defensive philosophy Toub would bring to the team?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Dec 2, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Give Toub a shot at DC, maybe OC

but the Bears need a proven NFL HC. if/when lovie gets fired people seem to forget we will need a new DC as well, for that Toub would be good, but ther than SP teams prowess is he an offense guy or a defense guy?

by No It All on Dec 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why would Toub be qualified to be a DC or an OC?

Special teams is worlds away from calling plays on defense or offense. Your asking for disaster.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

According to his wiki

he has 3 years experience coaching D-Line at the University of Missouri…which isn’t really saying that much.

I think it’s a lot of optimism that it’s been the consistently solid part of the Bears team, even between the offensive and defensive yo-yoing.

I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves

by Kev H on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, it is the consistent, solid part of the team

let’s not f*ck that up too. Sounds like a bad idea to give Toub the reigns just because he’s productive with ST.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 3, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think the move from ST to DC is a more natural progression than ST to HC

Even if for arguments sake I agree that Toub might be a terrible DC, that makes it even more likely that the Bears will make him DC. Its got nothing to do with actual talent, but $. If we bring in Jeff Fischer or Cowher and Charlie Weiss, they definitely will not bring in a 3rd legit coach for the D, they will promote from within, capable or not.

by No It All on Dec 3, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I think the Ravens got lucky with Harbaugh

by Da Sassage on Dec 3, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the guy who can't get Hester to take one to the house anymore?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Dec 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please Sackman...........

Dave Toub did not ruin Devin Hester. Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo ruined Devin Hester. Just like big business in the World, they were not satisfied with the bottom line and wanted more.

by Gesiakob on Dec 2, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Toub Is An Excellent Special Teams Coach.

I have two questions however.

1. What makes Dave Toub uniquely qualified to be an NFL ready Head Coach?

2. Has there ever been a Special Teams Coach in the history of the NFL promoted to Head Coach? I am confident the answer is NO. Although a promotion to Offensive or Defensive coordinator probably occurred. Perhaps Dave Toub is a maverick though, kind of like Lovie Smith.

by Gesiakob on Dec 2, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It was mentioned

Harbaugh of the Ravens was ST coord. previously, and coincidentally Toub worked under Harbaugh

by rdr3131 on Dec 2, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That Is True rdr3131

John Harbaugh was given a Head coaching position with the Ravens but he was the Secondary Coach for Philadelphia in 2007 under Andy Reid. So Harbaugh had experience beyond just special teams. He also had over 25 Years of Coaching experience including 12 in the NFL>

by Gesiakob on Dec 2, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh asked and answered and you STILL rebut it?
Has there ever been a Special Teams Coach in the history of the NFL promoted to Head Coach? I am confident the answer is NO

L-e-t m-e s-a-y t-h-i-s s-l-o-w s-o y-o-u h-e-a-r t-h-e a-n-s-w-e- r, J-o-h-n H-a-r-b-a-u-g-h! I’m sure Toub didn’t get his 1st gig anywhere as a NFL special teams coordinator so what’s with the rebuttal?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He means straight through.

No dc, oc, secondary, etc. experience. As stated, harbaugh didn’t go straight from ST coord. to HC.

by SJS_illini on Dec 2, 2009 9:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not being clear...

Jump specified from ST to HC. Not ST to Secondary to HC.

by SJS_illini on Dec 2, 2009 9:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He should have clarified then.

And one season as a defensive backs coach suddenly gives a candidate more cred? Seriously? I’m not saying that Toub is a credible candidate, but I’m willing to consider it without dismissing it off hand.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Dec 2, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

picky, picky

You guys are right. I left out that Harbaugh did coach the secondary one year before being a head coach. But he did have a big hand in the ST that year too.

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by Mark Saade on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, such hostility, man. What'd I do?

I never said it gives him more credibility… (in fact, I haven’t said anything about the situation itself…)

My issue with an ST Coord. as the HC is that we have very little indication what he likes to do on either the offensive or defensive sides of the ball. If what’s posted above is true (Toub’s 3 year stint as a D-Line coach), maybe he’ll be more suited to a defensive-minded coach (well, I can’t see him running the punt team out every down). If that’s the case (defensive-minded coach), I want to see what he does on that side of the ball with a given unit before he’s given a DC job, much less an HC job. At least with a secondary coach you know that at least he knows how to judge the personnel on that unit when he comes in and is able to use ‘em better. With Toub… What, he knows the backups? ST is a significant portion of the team but there’s a reason most coaches have at least OC or DC experience before becoming HC.

by SJS_illini on Dec 4, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Toub

Is the only one on the Bears coaching staff doing his job. I cannot believe that they did not offer him an extension. They give one to Ron friggin’ Turner (no clarification needed)!

by TrialsBass on Dec 2, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Perfect for the roster

Toub has the ability to identify talent, mold schemes to fit his players, and to teach old dogs new tricks. He made Danieal Manning a kick-return leader, 4’2’’ Wolfe a monster tackler, and has kept his unit near the top of the league with rotation every year.

If there’s one thing the Bears need with this motley crew of a roster, it’s creativity. Toub would be the perfect man for the job.

by artviii on Dec 2, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anyone would be set up for failure

until Angelo goes. In my mind, if I was a Bears fan, I wouldn’t want anyone dumb enough to take the job at this point. They have no choice draft picks and little to work with. Angelo’s track record is just plain awful. Anyone the Bears could convince to do the job with Angelo still there, and no good draft picks, wouldn’t be worth hiring.

What they need to do is dump Angelo and either get another GM or have a coach with the power to make picks, like Holmgren had in Seattle. That’s the only way you can make the job attractive to a good coach. They have to be set up to succeed before any good coach would consider the Bears.

But I’m surprised no one on these Bears pages ever considers Leslie Frazier, the Vikings D. coordinator. He’s successful as a coordinator, and Bears fans would love him because he was on the ‘85 team. I don’t know what his contract is with the Vikes, but he’ll be a head coach somewhere in the NFL soon. Why not the Bears?

Clean house, get rid of Angelo, let Frazier bring in his own assistants of his choice, maybe after next year when draft picks become available, and Frazier seems like a no-brainer pick to me.

by Minnyfan on Dec 2, 2009 8:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've been throwing his name out

On a few sites, I think he’s a logical choice right now. Then bring in a decent OC like Billick or Kubiak if he gets canned.

by rdr3131 on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Toub where he is.

He has made our special teams among the best in the NFL. As a head coach, he will take some of his off the ST’s, possibly weakening them.

by GouldisGold on Dec 2, 2009 8:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would rather see a complete housecleaning...

Toub has done a great job, but the overall stench of the current regime has to go. They need to bring in a completely new staff so the players can’t fall back into the bad habits they currently have.

by BearFan611 on Dec 2, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

but it would be a big mistake not to keep Toub as ST coach. He’s the best in the NFL. Hire a reputable GM and let him decide on the coaching changes.

by rocko1 on Dec 2, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1...

Toub is a great ST coach. Let’s not give him DMS!

When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!

by LostInSTL on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

CLEAN HOUSE!

Keep him on but I still want Cowher. I wanna see a 3-4 and bring a GM who can draft football players. And I want Monsters!

by SoulEater7 on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 would

be beastly and entertaining

by Da Sassage on Dec 3, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The key here is that we CANNOT afford to let Toub Walk

Odds are someone seeing his success is bound to offer him a step-up in position to draw him away. I think it would be worth giving him a shot at HC. He is far and away the best coach, in general as far as the job of coaching is concerned, we have on the team. Actually he may be the only actual coach we have. Give him a shot.

by lindemrm on Dec 2, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Special Teams Coaches

Can be head coaches. Harbaugh aside, because everyone knows that, but also Dick Vermeil started as a ST coordinator back in the day, IIRC. I think Toub could do it.

by GallopingGhost on Dec 3, 2009 12:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He did.

First-ever ST coordinator in the NFL, in 1969 for the Los Angeles Rams under George Allen.

Link

He did have previous college coaching experience, but his first NFL coaching experience of any kind was a special teams coach.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 3, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find anything to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure

Mike Ditka was a special teams coach with the Cowboys before Halas brought him back to be HC of the Bears. I know his first job under Landry was Tight Ends coach, but I seem to remember his las spot was ST. Like I said, can’t confirm it though.

by BearFan611 on Dec 3, 2009 6:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem with going cheap on a head coach in Toub

is you then have to go cheap with the coordinators, you’ll never get a “name” offensive coordinator because he’ll command more morey than your HC

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You have to ask if Toub is okay with it

if he is then you can get a big name coordinator

by DaHamsta on Dec 3, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember, Toub got an endorsement by Reid for HC...

From Inside the Bears:

“I have always said that on your staff the coach that is probably best prepared to be the head coach is your special teams coach…

“I think Dave Toub would be a great head coach down the road. I don’t think he needs to switch anything. I think there are a lot of special teams coaches in this league that would be good head coaches.”

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Dec 3, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fire Lovie now

Just fire Lovie now and let Toub be interim coach and see what he can do. If you don’t like it, then grab a different coach after the season is over—just like the Niners did with Singletary.

by AWC on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

How Bad Is Bad???

To Compare Bad Does It Has To Get As Bad With Lovie & Jerry Angelo As It Did With Dick Jaron Before We See Change? It Might Come Sooner With The Addition Of Cutler.

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by SCPoppaBear on Dec 3, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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