Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Ravens Edition
There's no way to spin the math... the Chicago Bears have lost eight of their last ten games, and their last three wins have come against the Rams, Browns, and Lions. Ouch.
Up next, we have the Vikings, who were manhandled by the Panthers last night. I do know that Lovie Smith has never been swept by the Packers and Vikes in the same year, but I'll have to go back and see the last time it happened at all for the Bears. Something tells me it's been quite a while.
- Danieal Manning looks really fast when returning kickoffs. He also seems like he could be very shifty, but has a straight-ahead approach to his returns.
- Chicago's first 2 offensive possessions: INTs; Baltimore's first 2 possessions: TDs. Hard to compete when that happens so early.
- Hunter Hillenmeyer tries really hard at MLB, but has no business being a starter in the NFL.
- Ray Rice is good.
- Matt Forte ran hard yesterday... feet were churning, shoulder dropped low. Looked pretty good.
- Our OL looked pretty damn improved yesterday. Don't read that as a compliment, because they still were bad, but they looked better than usual. Chris Williams will be a great LT, and I am curious at how Frank Omiyale will do at RT next season.
- The Bears really want to get the ball into Greg Olsen's hands, from fade routes in the end zone, to quick hits after he's lined up in the back field. I'd like to see him either in the slot or split wide in some 4WR sets. Put Cutler in shotgun, and run a hurry-up offense.
- Also on Olsen, he loves to ask for pas interference calls.
- Speaking of our QB, his back-footed throws look awful. Even when there's no pressure, he tends to throw off his back foot. That is a coaching thing.
- Another missed FG by a Bears opponent... I need to check on the numbers of the last few years on the frequency of that. Something tells me we are near the top of the NFL in that category.
- Penalties were finally not a factor against the Bears this week. Unfortunately, turnovers were.
- Tough to hear about Ogunleye's leg. I wonder what his future with the Bears will hold? Tommie is lobbying for the Bears to keep him.
- Devin Aromashodu was targeted 10 times yesterday. He caught 2 passes.
- Tim Shaw is a beast.
- Brett Favre refused to be pulled by Brad Childress yesterday. LOL.
- What did y'all notice in yesterday's game?
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Olsen shortarmed more catches...
like the non-TD fade; I predicted that by the way. Cutler threw it flat, but Olsen simply didn’t make a play on the ball. He really needs to work on his basic catching skills. Forte and Bell could be a great tandem in the future, but Shaffer is not the answer at RT. I am less concerned about the overall talent on this team than most people, but more concerned that the coaches will be brought back for a swan song season next year. A few FAs(DB, DT, DE, or OL), one or two draft picks that pan out and a new coaching staff could change the Bear’s fortunes rather quickly. There is no reason on earth, not even money, to bring Lovie back. He has absolutely lost this team and that is “unfixerateable”!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
"There is no reason on earth, not even money, to bring Lovie back." +100
AGREE TO AGREE.
He’s as worthless to this team as tits on a bull.
Another Loss
and hopefully 2 more on deck, is added firepower to the FIRE LOVIE SMITH resume. Keep on losing Bears, keep on Losing.
Sorry man
Just can’t root for the Bears to lose.
I don’t have it in me to root against my Bears.
by sabbath999 on Dec 21, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 12 recs
agreed.
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by David Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Also agreed.
Furthermore, different numbers of recs should have different shades of green. Say this bad boy gets to 10, then it should be forest green or something.
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Really?
If the Bears were 1-13 and losing the last two would ensure them of a Lawrence Taylor, Walter Payton or Peyton Manning in the draft, you wouldn’t want them to lose those two meaningless games?
If losing the next two would help hasten Lovie’s exit and bring in a better head coach, you wouldn’t want that to happen?
Sometimes the brain has to overrule the heart.
A cokehead, a dead guy, and the greatest QB ever (imo)
I’ll take the last one?
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The cokehead
was literally a ‘man amongst boys.’
The dead man was probably the greatest all around player to ever play in the NFL
And then there’s Manning.
Yeah, I’d root for my team to lose two meaningless games to get my hands one one of those guys.
Wow...
…joke lost early in the morning.
I think it’s obvious that I meant them in their present states?
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I guess, to clarify.
I do not know if LT is presently a cokehead. I’m going from what many believed to be fairly common knowledge during his playing days.
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He was at various points in his playing days
although he said he never used on game day.
He was a complete animal on the field. Virtually unstoppable
Walter was the ultimate warrior. No player ever played the game better than Walter.
I realize that you were joking but guys like that personified greatness at the NFL level.
Would I lose a couple of worthless games to land a player like that for a decade?
In a nanosecond (if not sooner).
That's really a wildly outlandish situation.
Getting rid of your head coach due to losses is not equal to getting 3 of the greatest to play their position.
The heart goes both ways—some, I think, are a little too passionate about the coaching staff.
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Umm, those were two separate situations.
Again, if I thought losing two MEANINGLESS games would guarantee me an almost certain franchise player in the draft, count me in.
As far as the coach goes . . . he should already gone the minute after the season ends. If it takes (again) losing a couple of MEANINGLESS games to make that happen, count me in again.
Winning, great teams have only one goal . . . and that’s to win the Super Bowl.
All else is failure.
Thus, there’s really no diffference (to those kind of teams) between, say, 5-11 and 7-9.
Correct, there's not.
However, the Dan Bernstein “to win a championship” argument does not mean that I, as a fan, can not feel good when they win a game, even if they don’t make it.
Yesterday, we played the Ravens. One of my great buddies is a huge Ravens fan. I enjoy when they beat them. According to that argument, if the Bears had won, no one should have been happy about it, because it did not get them closer to a championship.
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Wanting your team to win
(but seeing the benefits of losing) is a tricky thing.
Would I want my team to lose to gain a few spots in the draft (say from #18 to #15)?
No way. Not at all. Who cares about that? I don’t.
Would I want my pathetic team to lose the last couple IF (and that’s a big IF) I thought it might be the final straw for the exit of their overmatched head coach,.
In a heartbeat!
It's not meaningless
to see how new talent performs
to evaluate worth of keeping free agents
to play spoiler of sorts to Vikings hopes of higher seed
to beat Brett Favre
to try to build confidence by actually playing well
It’s meaningless for this season, but not for the franchise.
I think "to beat Brett Favre" is enough reason
by DaHamsta on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Truer words were never spoken.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
I understand the point
but with no first or second round picks, there’s no way that’s happening next year…
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yeah... that'd be awesome
how to you suppose we get any of those WITHOUT ANY DRAFT PICKS?
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i don't care if they win/lose at this point
but during the game i want them to win. must be classical conditioning when i see the blue/orange.
Performance speaks for itself
I don’t think it will matter whether or not the Bears win these last two games…JA probably has a good idea if he’s coming back or not. Win or lose, I’d like to see the O-line and Cutler play much better; let’s gain some momentum heading into the offseason.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
a debacle that comes down to coaching
i think we actually do have talent to be competitive, but lovie’s coaching on defense often puts the offense in an early hole, and ron turner can barely coach when he’s winning, let alone behind. you can have great personnel, but if you call the wrong stuff, it won’t work, and i think that’s what we have going on – though we have bad personnel in certain key places like the trenches – though the o-line has people playing at sub-optimal places (like omiyale at G and kreutz over beekman at C, plus we finally just moved williams to his real position), and the d-line has had a useless wale in there over gilbert and adams, who may suck, but we have no idea since they rarely play. cutler’s regression is on him, but when you clearly aren’t coached well (his mechanics have gone to hell as the season has progressed) and the play calls you get might as well be coming from a 10th grader, and you usually need to play perfect because you have no running game, little protection from the o-line, and face a deficit because of your awful defense, its not hard to see why he’s playing bad. better coaching and maybe a few moves (a G, a WR, and a DT/DE/CB/FS (any one of these would cause a cascade effect and improve the others)) could have us competitive next year.
Re: Frank Omiyale will do at RT next season.
Terrible. He’s terrible. Lovie needs to take Frank with him. There’s absolutely no way in the world he comes back next year. He’s the weakest link on our bad O Line. Followed by Pace. Sometimes building the OL through free agency works it, sometimes it doesn’t. So far, it hasn’t. Pace and Omiyale are a couple of the biggest free agent busts in Chicago Bears history.
Honestly, you have no idea how he's going to do at any Tackle position.
They picked him up based on his performance at tackle, he apparently looked good at tackle, he has a tackles blocking game where he is much better in movement and moving his feet. I’m not even saying he’s guaranteed to be good at RT, and I hate him at LG, but he has a lot better chance to contribute positively at RT than LG.
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I'll bet you he's back next year
I can almost guarantee you he’ll be in a Bears uniform; it would be unwise to put in all that time, pay him good money, just to see him do well with another team. I guess we now know that it’s not an easy transition from tackle to guard.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
If you had asked me.
I would’ve just told you straight out that it’s not going to be an easy transition. Is it as difficult from switching from, say, cornerback to wide receiver? No. Still pretty tough, though.
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Omiyale
is just another player in a long line of them that has been mismanged by this staff. Player development has been atrocious since the SB.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
I would argue
That it wasn’t particularly fantastic before that—it just so happened that the good players stayed healthy and produced—thus less need for the development of others.
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There's definitely room to argue a lot right now
Lots of losing breeds uncertainty and instability- upper management probably doesn’t have a clue on what/why it happened so quickly.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Dane, you have to be careful.
- Danieal Manning looks really fast when returning kickoffs. He also seems like he could be very shifty, but has a straight-ahead approach to his returns.
They might try to turn him into a wide receiver if you keep saying things like that.
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LOL... you might be right.
And then DM’s head would officially asplode from career confusion. Poor fella.
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One thing that I learned from yesterday's game...
I might have obsessed slightly in the game thread but Brian Billick should never be in the booth for a Ravens’ game. Listening to him, I could have sworn every Raven he ever coached was gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Oh, yeah, the score just reminded me.
WTF did Roach run directly into Manning on the 40ish yard return?
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Nah, I saw that.
It was just a matter of Manning catching up with a lead blocker, and them sort of running into each other by accident. I didn’t see a replay of it, so my perception might be off, but that’s how I saw it.
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To me it looked like
Roach got confused when the return was coming down field, didn’t know where he or his primary play were at, and immediately turned around and slowed Manning down.
I don’t think he’d have broken it or anything, but another 5 or 6 yards wouldn’t have hurt.
Oh, and in this case, my ‘W’ was for ’why", not what.
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Disagree slightly on Forte
he was running hard after he gets a head of steam, but he still is not a short yardage back. Why they took Bell out when they got down to the goal line is a mystery. He has a much better chance of picking up a tough 2 yards than Forte does.
Olsen does not fight for the ball at all, but I still don’t think he had a realistic shot at the fade pattern on the TD attempt. That was a terrible throw by Cutler, as most of his throws have been the last few weeks, and a poorly designed play. Watch the replays of that play and the successful fade pattern that Heap caught. The way the two routes were designed made the chances of the Raven’s play much better than the “no room for error” design of the Bears.
Thank goodness I didn't watch the game
I do know that Lovie Smith has never been swept by the Packers and Vikes in the same year
Hey, there’s always a first time for everything! They’re going to be pissed after being embarrased last night. Don’t forget we’re 0-4 on night games that are nationally televised.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
Agree With Skags!
Omiyale was already tried at tackle in camp & flopped so badly that he was moved to guard-a place where failed tackles go if they don’t have the mobility to play tackle. (There’s less space at guard but you’ve got to deal with the pounding & the immediate quickness of small tackles. Omiyale doesn’t have the quickness to deal with a quick tackle nor the quickness to get to the second level.) If tackle was his place, how come Kevin Schaffer was the choice for RT when Williams was moved over to LT? Schaffer’s the better player-doing an ok job!
Dane, what do you see in Chris Williams that makes you think he’ll be a GREAT? LT?
Because Shaffer has previous experience at the RT position...
In fact, that’s practically the only position he has experience at. I’m of the mind that Shaffer would be a better RG than RT, but for now Garza is still there. However, you must be watching a different Omiyale than I am because he seems to be pretty good at blocking on the move and blocking in space, as well as general movement, while being extremely terrible in the close confines.
His game is a Tackle’s game, and not a guards. They aren’t completely interchangable like some people think.
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by Jacob Hayes on Dec 21, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
did omiyale really get a shake at tackle?
they had already moved williams to RT after signing pace. i seem to recall omiyale was moved to guard very early on, first as a back-up to beekman, and then as the eventual starter. he definitely has tackle skills, and could possibly be a good starter, if he gets the reps. i’d give him a start at RT before the season is done. i’d also start getting beekman snaps at center. if williams holds up, we might not have to work that hard to rebuild the line, actually.
by guy incognito on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I don't believe so
Omi never practiced as a RT since coming over from Carolina; LG only.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
+1
Not sure what nosmo is talking about there. Omiyale was brought in to be the RT, but when Pace signed, Omiyale was shifted to LG.
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That's right
Pace’s arrival screwed up a lot of players. Hopefully, everyone gets back to their “natural” positions next season. Kreutz and Pace’s natural positions are on the couch, at home eating wings and bon-bons.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
LOL
Omiyale was already tried at tackle in camp & flopped so badly that he was moved to guard-a place where failed tackles go if they don’t have the mobility to play tackle.
Everything about that sentence is completely wrong, and not even close to having any sort of truth or validity to it.
Dane, what do you see in Chris Williams that makes you think he’ll be a GREAT? LT?
His KSA’s. He’s got all the tools and talents needed to be a top LT in the league. It’s no secret that I’ve been a big fan of WIlliams since before we drafted him. Leave him at LT, his natural position, for another year, and I really think he’ll be a dominant force, hopefully even a Pro Bowler.
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how did he play yesterday?
i definitely think he’s got the tools to be a very good LT
by guy incognito on Dec 21, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, he looked pretty good the few times I noticed him.
I can’t say that I paid a lot of attention to him yesterday, but the few times I did focus on him, he looked very solid is both run and pass blocking.
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He reminds me of Ryan Clady.
He’s not the strongest tackle in the game, but he has good finesse skills, and uses his feet well.
that would be just fine
clady’s “okay”. i thought, minus the 3 penalties last week (which i thought were more from just not playing the position in a while than anything else), he played pretty good vs. the packers. couldn’t see yesterday’s game, but its good to hear he played well. it would be really good if he keeps it up the rest of the year so at least we have the LT spot down. allen will be a huge test next week. if he can simply slow him down, that would be great.
by guy incognito on Dec 21, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
The team doesn't care ... they're just playing for paychecks
they gave up long ago. the only reason Lovie is playing starters at this point is because they’ve got incentive money on the line and wants to give them a shot at getting it. outside of that, you can tell this squad lost heart and hope weeks ago — maybe it was the Packer game, maybe it was before then — but this team does not give a rat’s ass about winning.
it shows in the way they play, in the way they carry themselves and the way they lose. they’re not even competitive. it’s heartless football. the Ravens would have been better off playing Notre Dame yesterday.
and to your point about Hillenmeyer having no business being a starter in the NFL – you could say that about more than half of the team. Briggs is the only guy who brings it week in and week out. he is the only one that i see that still gives a shit. the rest of them are garbage.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
then I guess
you haven’t been watching Afalava, Roach, Johnny Knox or Alex Brown.
The four of them (and Briggs) have been playing as hard as they can in recent games (especially Afa and Roach).
Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that Linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best.- Walter Payton
perhaps ...
but you just named two rooks (Knox’s fumble yesterday was bad) an underachieving LB who is playing for a contract and AB (who has always played well) … find me some vets that give a shit.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Didn't get to see the game
but Cutler 7.9 rating? He has had bad games before but this has to be the career low. Disappointing this late in the year.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 21, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions
You must not have been watching the same Broncos game that was played yesterday.
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Orton was one of the bright spots.
And while another upgrade at quarterback might happen at some point, the Broncos have serous issues with both lines that have to be addressed first. At least we’ve got a good draft pick…
Not sure why anyone would troll after a loss like that though. That was brutal.
Your troll-fu needs some work.
Very, very weak attempt at whatever you were attempting.
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Specially since the Broncos losing to the Raiders
is worse than us losing to the Packers.
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Orton is playing much better than Cutler and until we choke away our wild card lead, we’re in the playoff hunt. Suck on that.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 21, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions
Awww and you didn't even get a chance to learn how to use the reply button.

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by Dane Noble on Dec 21, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This needs a Bears Logo
photoshopped on, maybe as a small emblem on the guys shirt.
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That is freaking awesome....
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 21, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like it doesn't matter who their QB is
They will still find ways to choke the season away.
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