Will Lovie Smith be the coach in 2010?
by Mike Mueller on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 AM CST
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Jerry Angelo made some pretty interesting comments regarding the story about Lovie Smith remaining with the Bears. This exchange really caught my eye:
Just to clarify, the one thing you can't say, and again to address the speculation, is that Lovie will definitely be back next year?
All I'm saying, guys, is that at the end of the year we sit and we evaluate everything. That's all I'm saying. Where you run with that, how you talk about it, you're going to say what you want, you're going to spin it the way you want to spin it, I'm just telling you right now that at the end of the year, we will evaluate everything.
Not to be argumentative, but if you said he'll be back we couldn't spin that any other way.
You got the point of my answer.
So you're saying there's a chance? Do you think Lovie Smith will be back next year (not what you want to happen, but what you think will happen)?
The Bears will receive a nice little money windfall from the termination of the supplemental revenue sharing program. LINK
The Bears are bad this year, they have no 1st or 2nd round draft pick, they're looking at a tough year next year too.
The Bears played the AFC North and NFC West this year. On the schedule for next year (in the rotation) are the NFC East and AFC East. The big spenders, big revenue teams are in those 2 divisions. With the uncapped year probably on its way, those teams, which all of them except maybe Buffalo are probably better than the Bears, will no doubt improve. The arrow for Green Bay and Minnesota is pointing up. The 3rd place teams in the NFC West and South are Carolina and Seattle, we would also have these 2 on our schedule. Where do the Bears find 4 wins next year? What's the point of firing Lovie if that's your future? Or is it better to cut bait now and get some coaches who can teach Jay and the rest of these clowns how to play NFL quality football?
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Somebody needs to evaluate
Ted Phillips and then JA and then Lovie.
This is clearly a case of the ‘blind leading the blind.’ (or the Three Stooges if you prefer).
Reality vs. Common Sense
You’re right about the need for 2 surveys.
I voted Yes because it’s painfully obvious that we have a very inept coaching staff. Our team continues to decline despite the FA signings, draft picks traded, big $ contracts awarded to declining players, and the easiest schedule in the entire NFL.
However, I doubt/fear that the Bears are willing to fire a guy who they still owe $11M.
It’s a sad time to be a Bears fan!
by MakeHalasProud on Dec 21, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
If I had to guess, I’d say, he’ll be back next year. It’s unbelievable that 67% of the voters said he wouldn’t be back. I realize that Angelo is in a tough position; Lovie is a great person and a class act, but he isn’t living up to his contract or potential. I’m sure Angelo realizes this, but know this: Lovie will be back next year.
Lovie
One can only hope he’s gone. Along with Phillips, Angelo, Turner, Babich, Hamilton, Drake, Heidstand, and every other coach on this worthless staff!!
Personally, I think he stays for another year and after 2010, the whole thing is gutted!! The Bears are in serious trouble next year as well!! The only thing that could save them is if they have a great free agency. But they will have to spend crazy money to do it. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. What coach in his right mind would want to take over a terrible team that doesn’t have a pick the first day of the draft? They will most likely suck again next year and have a pretty good pick in 2011 so you might as well wait and fire Lovie and JA until after next year!!
I think the Bears have to make a move this year.
Lovie and his staff would be lame ducks next year, which would make it very difficult to bring in any free agents and to sell the fans and the TV schedulers on any reason to make the Bears an important part of the NFL next year. There is no sense in knowingly putting Cutler into a system that will change again the following year, so just launching Turner does no good at all.
Putting a new coaching staff would, at least, give the players and fans some hope for the future. If the HC is an interesting enough choice, not just a “big” name, the TV people would use that to their advantage as well. The McCaskeys can’t be dumb enough to think that Bears paraphanlia sales would be any good next year without a change and that is additional revenue for them.
Obviously, we’re not going to the Super Bowl next year or even getting into the playoffs, but if a new staff can get these guys playing hard and get Cutler improving to match his potential, we’ll all be back on the bandwagon for what the future could hold. If no / minimal changes are made then 2010 is a complete waste and I can’t see Virginia throwing time away at this point in her life.
Well they will not be an important part of the NFL
Deservedly so as well.
Remember this is how the McCaskey’s make money. As long as people keep showing up they are going to have no incentive to change.
Once Virginia dies we can hope to have a revival, ala the Hawks (the only team in Chicago worth watching right now) but that is not guaranteed.
If you think your point through even more...
What quality coaching candidate would want to be hired by a GM that has a bad track record of talent evaluation? So if we keep JA the type of coach would probably be a cheaper, younger guy that just wants a shot at a HC position. This would be an awful option. Even if the guy is a great coach, he’d have a guy who can’t evaluate personnel in charge of personnel. IMO, it would just mean starting over again in 3 years when the McCaskeys finally fire JA.
I hope the McCaskeys evaluate carefully and come to the conclusion that its necessary to clean house, starting at the top. Or, you could hire a quality coaching candidate, but give him a title of “HC/Head of Football Operations” or something like that, and make JA his subordinate, essentially leaving personnel decisions to the coach, but allowing JA to scout, etc. But that’s all very unlikely.
The worst thing to do would go with the Fire Only Ron option, but unless there is a whole housecleaning from top to bottom, it will not lead to winning.
Of course, they could can Angelo and still do that with the HC position
See Bay, Tampa.
And look how well that’s worked out.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Statements from JA
Angelo has said that Lovie has input in drafting and FA decisions. I think that if this is made known to a coaching candidate, then the GM issue would not be a deal breaker.
"Why does Jay Cutler look so bad running these awful plays behind an incompetent offensive line?" - VeryFakeAlDavis
I disagree.
With the way Angelo came out yesterday and focused his energy on denying the report that Lovie was safe as well as placing blame almost everywhere except for himself, I could see him getting Lovie fired in an attempt to place the blame anywhere but himself. If Lovie goes it will please the masses and may get him to stay for another season.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Who do you think you are, pal?
I mean, with the way you look in your profile pic, I don’t know wtf you are thinking posting on a message board.
Get a life, moran.
(Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I re-read that earlier and it made me chuckle)
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
I voted yes because
lovie is a good, if not great coach. he doesn’t have a ditka mentality, and he’s a good players coach. I said in a comment earlier this year that the Bears would be the team to fear in the NFC, not the fakers known as the Vikings, I guess this year I am wrong. I fully believe if the Bears get a young, physical, aggressive center on their o-line, they will win football games. I know a Packer fans opinion means very little to you, just thought I’d chime in, I think you are a good football team with issues.
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
you either can them all, or keep them all
there is a real problem of dumping just turner or both the offense and defense staff, but keeping lovie. you may not be able to attract good coaches into that situation, knowing the HC might be canned the following year, which usually means the entire staff is canned. that could work for some who want to use this as a springboard to a better job, but it gets dicey. i think the success of bears players outside of chicago might actually speak to angelo’s skills (though he clearly has made some bad picks) and the coaches’ incompetence to develop/play talent.
I would have voted yes
But I voted no after reading The Official Website of the Chicago Bears. The tone has changed in the last two or three days. They are really hedging on the staff issue. Even Larry Mayer is not all sunshiney like he used to be.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Voted yes
cause “eating” $5.5 million will sound a lot better than $11 million. The current defense is setup for Lovie’s scheme, and without a full set of draft picks the transition would be a very difficult task.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4
The draft wouldn't have been so bad
were it not for giving away our 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams. Generally, a new coaching staff on a rebuilding team spends their #1 on a QB anyways.
Are we in line for any compensatory selections?
They usually are, but I’m not sure about this year.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
St. Clair
Is the only starter I can see the Bears getting a pick for; probably not very high though, maybe a 5th or 6th? Pace and Omiyale will count against the Bears though.
In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks.
Compensatory picks formula.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
I voted yes ... and agree with you here
I don’t think the Bears are going to be keen to cut Lovie loose and have to eat that contract and force another coach to rebuild with no talent.
1) this doesn’t seem like an attractive job. it’s no Lions or Skins gig, but this team has a lot of holes and for someone to come in and rebuild, they would basically have to be given a 5-year window to get this thing turned around with coaching and player personnel.
2) if Angelo is in, then Lovie is in … and I don’t trust Angelo to bring in a coach (one with any sense) who will just sit back and let that jagbag continue to build this team. the next coach is going to have to have a say and hand in getting personnel. I don’t want JA ruining another draft.
3) without draft picks this year, the transition will be bad. Let’s just get a new offensive coaching staff and make a run in FA and lets see if we can at least get back to .500 football next year.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Voted Yes
but want it to be No.
This organization is garbage, the team is garbage and the fanbase is comprised of a majority of idiots who will eat up anything sold to them.
I’m done with them until they put out a good product on the field. I really have no desire to have anything to do with the Bears. They are an embarrassment to the City of Chicago.
by 815Sox on Dec 21, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This sounds more like Cub fans than Bear fans
fanbase is comprised of a majority of idiots who will eat up anything sold to them
Most of us on here are pretty fed-up with the management/coaching of this team. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
I wouldn't stir the baseball pot
The same could be said of the “fire and the passion” ozziebackers, too.
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Duly noted
I admit my comment was more generalized than the government’s classification of ethnicities, but every team has its yahoo fans. The Bears are no exception.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
No Hope
What Chicago really needs is new ownership or another NFL team to create competition.
1st we had Wannie, then Jaron, and now Lovie. The cycle is 1 good year followed by a mess. The McCaskey’s will pick another “nice guy” and the cycle will be repeated.
I’ve lived and died the Bears for over 50 years (I’m 64) and it’s becomng more like being a Cubs fan every year. The “I love them regardless of how bad they are” mentality is setting in. I walked from the Cubs years ago and If Icould find an alternative I be gone from the Bears tomorrow. The McCaskeys are rich “hobby owners”. Sure they are nice people but do you think Virginia Mc Caskey is calling around the NFL to see what her options are. They are sold out with a waiting list.
Lovie will be back with the same stupid , emotionless look on his face and they will finish with losses to Minnesota and Detroit. 2010 will be Tampa 2 and a pass to the flat.
I’m fed up.
me too
Its getting to the point where if a new team in brought into Chicago I would cheer for them.
I’m very close to just be totally done with the team. I’m not as into football as I am Hockey and Baseball and it just feels like a waste of time/emotion at this point.
Does this mean JA will evaluate himself too?
I’m just telling you right now that at the end of the year, we will evaluate everything.
If so, I think he should fires himself too!
According to Dickerson
on ESPN 1000 this morning he stated that he thinks that Lovie is gone at the end of the year….As for who he thinks will replace Lovie he thinks the big names (Shanahan, Cowher, etc.) are no where near Angelo’s list since they would want control of the roster and thats something Angelo does not want to give up completely….
The list would be:
Ron Rivera (defensive players love him and have voiced they want him back),
Mike Heimerdinger (worked with Cutler in the past and they got along),
Leslie Frazier (runs a 4-3 the “hot” coordinator)…..
So take that for what its worth…..Personally I was on Lovie side for awhile and blamed most of the blame on Angelo (not upgrading the Oline) and Turner as IMO Turner is just horrible Turner could screw up Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, etc….
Now though with all these blow out losses I think changes are needed every where as the Defense has declined so rapidly…..
"You want cheerleaders? Bah you have the Bears drumline that should be good enough for ya! If ya don't like that you can bite me!"
- Virginia McCaskey to fans complaining to bring back the Honey Bears
Duh forgot to add one thing
I think Angelo’s comments are a little bit pandering to the fans….In the end ownership will tell him if he can jettison Lovie….If he does I do think that Dickerson is correct…. No way Angelo brings in the big name and goes after a cheaper quick fix or hot assistant that they can pay only a mil or 2 mil a year…..
"You want cheerleaders? Bah you have the Bears drumline that should be good enough for ya! If ya don't like that you can bite me!"
- Virginia McCaskey to fans complaining to bring back the Honey Bears
by CloudyFuture on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
heard the same
Heimerdinger was also mentioned on FOX sports and ESPN as a candidate to replace Lovie on the cheap. Seems like a good move to me.
Interesting how everyone who commented said they said "yes"
And yet, “no” is winning. :)
I voted “yes” as well, and I’m not sure if I like that or not. I feel like this is the first year where the team is not playing up to its talent, where there are real mistakes due to discipline (penalties, blown assignments) that should fall on the coach. I’m worried that Lovie has already lost the players, and that means he should go. But the question is, if not Lovie, then who?
In any case, if we do get a new coach, I hope they at least consider an offensive guy. You know, that Ditka guy was an offensive dude, and he seemed to do okay with a strong defense…
per terry's "guy" at halas hall
there is a split amongst the mccaskey’s and the decision has not been made yet. brian mccaskey wants him gone and michael wants him back. also if lovie is out, so is JA.
(terry is terry boers of WSCR.)
Interesting
Have to say this would not surprise me….but if mikey wants him back I think he wins this one….damn…
Ah well I am still holding out hope that Mike Shanahan comes here though I know its not going to happen…..
"You want cheerleaders? Bah you have the Bears drumline that should be good enough for ya! If ya don't like that you can bite me!"
- Virginia McCaskey to fans complaining to bring back the Honey Bears
by CloudyFuture on Dec 21, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
This poll needed a third option:
Will Lovie Smith be the Bears coach in 2010?
YES
NO
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Whoops
That should’ve been “For the love of Ditka” obviously…..
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
How DARE you mess that up!
For penance, you must sing “Bear Down Chicago Bears” forty times!
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 21, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I actually meant the real one...
… but it’s been so long I forgot how it goes anyway.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 21, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
How about 40 Hail Mikes?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Some great options out there...
and I don’t mean Cowher, Shanahan, etc…
href=“http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4663870/replace-lovie-heres-three” >
This is a great article… sorry if its a repost.
Read this earlier...
Heimerdinger is my choice of those three. He’s an offensive mind and he’s worked with Jay before. He’s had success at every NFL stop except with the Jets in 05.
by boondock_saint812 on Dec 21, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
And that, unfortunately, is the kind of thinking that often backfires
With all due respect, the NFL landscape is littlered with with good/excellent coordinators who didn’t have the leadership skills to lead an entire team.
I’m not saying if Heimerdinger has those skills or not.
But that is the most important criteria.
Too many guys are promoted to the position of head coach because they were good coordinators, only to fail.
A much different skill set is required to be the head coach, as opposed to the coordinator.
Some recent failures such as these were Scott Linehan in St. Louis, Cam Cameron in Miami, Mike Nolan in SF and so on. All very good coordinators who could’nt lead their entire teams.
Give me a true ‘Leader of Men’ as my head coach. I can always then go out and get two/three excellent coordinators to head up each unit of the team.
Russ Grimm
If he does anything, he most certainly will get the O-line playing well.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
concur
out of the coryell/gibbs coaching tree.
to comment on what axthelm said..
its tougher to look for fresh blood when it comes to a new coach then I thought. I mean, unless they were a head coach and got fired (ie shanahan, billick, etc.), they have to come from somewhere… then I read somewhere that no Super Bowl winning coach has ever won a Super Bowl somewhere else… and I also read college coaches can’t make it in the NFL… well then where the heck do all these teams find coaches?
seems like a total crapshoot
only a handful of guys have had repeatable success in different places.
The writing seems to be on the wall for Lovie
The players are not buying into what Lovie is doing, and it has shown this past week with your two star players Hester and Briggs coming out and voicing their displeasure on how things being run at Halas Hall.
by Dominique Blanton on Dec 21, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions
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for your Holmgren report HERE
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I see where Holmgren to Browns is official..
Is Shanahan to Skins also official?
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Hmmm...
Just as I turned on the MNF pregame show, I thought I heard one of the guys say that Jason Campbell is basically trying out for new coach Mike Shanahan. I could have misheard that though… there’s no links out there I can find.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
There's nothing at SB Nation Hogs Haven, but they're not the most lively bunch...
Besides, they’ve got a game going on.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
It's hard to imagine they'd announce anything on the day of a game
It’d be too much of a distraction.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
How about doing a photoshop contest on the above photo of JA?
JA- I wish I had these snazzy binoculars back in ‘04 when I forgot to scout Troy Polamalu. I couldn’t evaluate him correctly because of his hair. Man, he would’ve been perfect in our scheme Ted.
TP- No kidding professor.
Alternate scenario:
JA- I didn’t realize our turf was really that bad.
Virginia- Who cares? Pass me the scotch!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.
I think Lovie is not coming back
I mean if he were there were a good chance angelo would come out and say it now to get it over with but then again you never know.
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