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How can we Bear to see this organization in disarray? (Part One)

Wcg_thumb_notes_medium First off, I'm going to apologize for that title. But there is absolutely no way I could avoid using it, because it's perfect.

We've been watching, waiting, listening for weeks now, and we've now gotten to the point where everyone is speaking the classic end of season double-speak--saying things without saying anything at all. Let's go back and take a look at a few of my favorites. Some of these have been discussed before, some haven't, but I wanted a place where they were together, so we could really get a feel for what the various parts of this organization are thinking.

After writing this up, I've realized it's crazy-long. So long that I wanted to break it up to two parts, so I'll post the next part Thursday. I don't need a nation of already upset Bears fans telling me that I talk to much. Let's go to the jump!

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Before I go too much further, I should point out this wasn't my originally planned article for the day. I was going to write about money and coaching and why you should spend money on new coaching, but everyone's doing that. Then going through press conferences and reading and listening to sports talk, I started to really think about what these people are saying, and how they say so much, yet so little, while saying what sounds like nothing. (Does your head hurt yet? Mine too.)

The first three quotes are from the Bears official site.

From the Front Office

A lot of hubbub has come from the conversation that Jerry Angelo had with reporters before the Ravens loss. The main concern has been about the fact that Jerry Angelo has seemingly backpedaled towards some uncertainty about Lovie Smith's future. However, he had some other interesting points in there that aren't getting as much focus.

Do any decisions you make next month have to be based on how to build around Jay Cutler? 
That’s our starting point, yes. It is about our offense. When we came into this year, we felt like we were going to have a pretty good offense or had the ability to be a pretty good offense. I should say it that way. We had young receivers, it was a new system. I said this way back when, that there were going to be some growing pains and it was a process. So things didn't quite come together on offense. Things didn't quite come together on defense like we wanted either. That's an important part of what we need to make happen to have the success that we all want.

I'm not entirely sure what he means here. He seems to be avoiding blaming the personnel and coaching by saying, "It was a new system."  But how new could the system be? It's Ron Turner's system, and while they worked to develop some plays that would suit Cutler's strengths, it's not as if it was some sort of revolutionary new offensive system that was going to blow people's minds--we run all the similar plays we used to run, but less effectively.

Does team need to be competitive in the final three weeks? 
I feel very much so. We need to get a win, that’s very important right now, and I feel like we’ve been competitive, we just haven’t been able to win, and that’s the bottom line in our business as we all know.

How can he feel this is true? This season they have had four losses by 20 or more points. That's nearly half of your losses. The other five losses are all one score losses. While this sort of points to "being competitive" take a look. If you win 2 or 3 of those games you should've won, you're still not looking competitive for a playoff spot in the NFC this year.

Do you feel strongly that this roster is better than the team’s record shows? 
I like our roster. Your record is your record. This is who we are. So I'm not going to get into that game. We didn't play well as a team this year. We were inconsistent. We just seemed to never get the offense and defense playing well on the same Sunday. That's very hard to do and win if that's not happening. So I like the roster, we have a good nucleus of young players. So pretty much our roster will be intact next year. But I look at that as a positive, not a negative.

I think, quite obviously, of course he's going to say this. Given that he's responsible for everyone on the team being on this staff, he's probably not going to sprint out admitting that his draft picks often bust, and his free agent acquisitions are often overpaid and underperforming.

That being said--I do think there's a good core of players. Several young wide receivers, still developing tight ends, a QB who still has time to learn again, some young defensive guys who look alright. There could be some players on this team right now who are here a long time. But you can't just hope they develop. You have to COACH them, which brings us to.....

From the Coaching Staff

"I'm not really interested in a whole lot of that,'' Smith said today during his news conference at Halas Hall. "We're 5-9 right now -- as I have said about three or four times, your life isn't going to be good. It's kind of as simple as that. We can keep going down that road but same answer, we're 5-9, nobody is happy about it."

That's Lovie Smith, Monday afternoon The first part is related to how he doesn't have a solid PR mention of his job security. He mentioned that record several times, almost as if he was intent to remind people how bad the team was doing. Intentionally telling people how bad you are. Interesting tactic.

The really cynical part of me wants to say that he's doing that on purpose, because if he can convince the team he's not good, maybe he can get the paycheck and go home and not have to deal with the myriad issues this team has. I don't really believe that's the case--I think he'd really like to win--he's just not able to.

"I think you have to look at what's happened this year," Smith insisted. "As I look at our losses, three of them were legitimate losses. The other five, we were right in there, had opportunities.

That's Lovie Smith, too. That's him speaking shortly after the Packers loss. What he's either failing to realize, or refuses to admit (much more likely) is that it's those "illegitimate losses" are the ones that usually separate good coaching from bad coaching. Good playcalling from bad playcalling.

Coaches like to talk about execution. Dan Bernstein on the score, who I realize is quite polarizing, made a good point about this. Execution is indeed kind of a coaching buzzword, as if to suggest that if the players had just done what they were told, everything would've worked. Which is, to a large degree, true. However, if you're telling them to do bad things, or making ill-advised coaching directions, it can and will blow back on you at some point. That point seems to be coming now.

So that's Part 1. Coming back on Thursday, we'll take a look at what Ron Turner, Bob Babich, and the players have to say. Or not say. Or sort of imply without trying to say too much.

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I think Lovie's "Everything's fine. I love you, you love me, we're a happy family" schtick

is a big part of why they haven’t broken out of the mediocrity rut. There has to be some unpleasant consequence to losing, so why pave over feelings of disappointment with soothing talk?

Time to get real, and passionate.

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on Dec 21, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

Legitmate Losses ??

Do they have a special catagory for non-legitimate losses ???
Can you make the play offs on close losses ?
Hey Lovie…this isn’t T-ball, where all the kids win. It’s the NFL, which I hope in your case means “Not For Long”

by rowtroll on Dec 21, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

Jerry Glanville?

That’s one of the best quotes in football history.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Dec 21, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He had a "Get Back Coach"

Loved the coach in black… :)

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Get Back Coach?

Sorry, I didn’t get the reference.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember in some old footage,

a referee gave the Falcons a sideline warning. Glanville then anointed some random guy (maybe the ball boy) the “get back coach”… it was his responsibility to yell “Get back!” when anyone got near the sideline again.

And Glanville made the guy practice it a couple of times first.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That's hilarious

Too bad his coaching wasn’t as good as his one-liners.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Dec 21, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no you didn't!

You could’ve easily avoided using “Bear” in the title, but whatever.

I agree with Lovie and his stance on answering questions these days. What can we expect him to say at this point? A turd is a turd, and that’s how this team is playing right now. He realizes it reflects poorly on his coaching/leadership, and seems to be aware that he’s lost control of his players. Discipline has been a huge issue the past few games- this is always a clear sign.

I like our roster. Your record is your record. This is who we are. So I’m not going to get into that game.

This comment pisses me off to no end. Just admit most some of your draft picks are complete busts. How’s Adams looking so far JA? How about those “key” acquisitions along the O-line?

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - final words of Dexter season 4...I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

O-line acquisitions ...

What a bullshitter. From the same interview ….

Q: Are you disappointed in the performance of the offensive line this season?

A: I’m disappointed about we weren’t able to play consistently on offense. That’s all. As I said, I could say the same thing about our defense. We weren’t good on third down on defense. We spent too much time on the field on defense.

LOL !!

Q: Hey Jerry, some upgrade on the O-line there buddy, eh ?

A: O-line ? Huh ? Our defense sucks. That’s on Lovie. Our defense is way bad. Look over there. I’m good.

by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

The Bears...

I am absolutely astounded by the incompetency of this team. They have shown a consistent pattern of turnovers on offense followed by a defensive collapse, almost every game. What kind of an idiot views this team as competetive? You can’t hold a team from scoring almost every possesion, and you can’t convert one 1st down on offense, and you’re saying this is competetive? This Sunday I basically turned off the TV after it was 31-7 in the 3rd. I’m not even frustrated with the Bears anymore. Quite frankly, their games are just plain boring. It’s just the same thing over and over again every game; like watching one of those “deer hit by car” videos on Youtube over and over a couple dozen times. The fact is clear- The Chicago Bears need a complete overhaul top to bottom, and I mean top to bottom. After the clock ticks the first second after the end of this season, the following moves must be made.

1. Fire Jerry Angleo, fire Lovie Smith, fire all their pitifull assistants, and fire everyone else in the front office, I want those clowns gone!

2. Find a respectable coach, interview candidates. There are some nice names like Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan that would both be great fits here.

3. Hire competent assistants, which have atleast coached a team that has gotten atleast one win the past two seasons. (Rod Marinelli reference)

4. Know the defensive scheme you will be using, (which means not the tampa-2), and stick to it. Evaluate which players on the roster, even if few, have potential to be solid starters, and not crappy fill ins! Do the same on offense.

5. Clear up the roster, and start off with your core guys that will lead the team next year. Trade player under contract that we don’t want, let others go or cut them. Improve the roster as much as possible through free agency and trades- come on don’t tell me we don’t have money. (I don’t want the “free-agency starts at home” BS. What do we have here anyway?) It is a must that the Bears address the secondary and O-line first before all else.

6. On draft day, work with the draft picks and maximize their value. Prioritize the critical positions first. Get your picks and have the coaching staff work with them!

7. Even if our record next year isn’t the best, I hope it is an improvement from the agony we’ve been going through these past 3 years. I hope this happens, otherwise it will be another wasted season.

by GriggsBriggs on Dec 22, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

7. Even if our record next year isn’t the best, I hope it is an improvement from the agony we’ve been going through these past 3 years. I hope this happens, otherwise it will be another wasted season.

I wouldn’t mind having a worse record next season IF (and only if) we’re clearly rebuilding towards a younger, more talented team that will attain success in maybe 2-3 years’ time, and sustain it. Unfortunately with our lack of high draft picks and current regime’s inability to use them anyway, or to draft / develop players to any real extent, it’s more likely to be another wasted season.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy

by Spongie on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It is just depressing how the team is being run now.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 22, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

I seriously think that Cutler is tanking it on purpose now.

 If that’s the case, brilliant move. He knows that can only alienate the fans and hopefully cause a domino effect with Lovie, Angelo, Turner, (fill in your own incompetent D-bag here), etc. These guys should down faster than Forte after an arm tackle. I really like Forte, he’s just been crap this year like pretty much everyone else. I spent most of the year thinking this was all on Turner, but now think Angelo is one that needs to go the most (of course, if he goes, a capable replacement will fire the other clowns immediately). The end of the season is playing out perfectly for what needs to be done. Hey Lovie, maybe the Rams will give you your old job back. Hey Turner, maybe you can coach Pop Warner (as long as nobody checks your resume). As for you, Angelo, whatever mafia tie you have that got you this job needs to get you a job doing something you have SOME IDEA of how to do. Whatever that is, I don’t ever want to see or hear from you or Turner EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Kyle O on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Stock answers

Good stuff, Kev.

Seems like I’ve heard this reasoning before.

 “Well, we lost half your retirement fund, but it could be worse, after all, we didn’t lose the other half. And a couple days we didn’t lose as much as we did on the other days, so that’s almost a gain, yeah?
 And there are some emerging markets that might do all right in a few years. So we’re just thinking from day to day and sticking with our plan. I’m not worried about my job, though, cause they can’t afford to let me go down”

by cvigilant on Dec 22, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

special teams ranked 7th in the league

in past 5 years it ranked average of 6th in the league, including being ranked #1 in both 2006 and 2007

by bearsfootball1193 on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

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