Looking Ahead To 2010...........There May Be Hope.
by Gesiakob on Dec 4, 2009 5:07 AM CST
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After reading a series of postings on Windy City Gridiron, some things have become obvious for Bears Fans. I don't know what is going to happen to Lovie Smith. I think we can assume Ron Turner will not be here next year unless somebody in charge has too many Budweisers over the Winter.
With that said we have a great Quarterback to build around in a young Jay Cutler. The 2010 Draft is wilted down and we have very few players to trade away for draft picks. The bottom line is this, Halas Hall is going to have to spend some dough $$$$$$$$$.
Financial commitments to the Free Agent market look to be the only way to make this team competitive again. This post is going to stay on the offensive side of the ball. I will address the defensive side in a later posting. Here is a partial listing of potential unrestricted and restricted free agents in 2010. I have my favorites but will reserve comment until I see what the rest of you think.
1. Wide Receivers:
Vincent Jackson- San Diego Chargers
Brandon Marshall-Denver Broncos
Braylon Edwards-NY Jets
Antonio Bryant-TB Bucs
Steve Breaston- Arizona Cardinals
Derrick Mason-Balt. Ravens
Chris Chambers-KC Chiefs
Chris Henry-Cinn Bengals
Mark Bradley-KC Chiefs,(kidding).
Bobby Wade-Team Unknown,(kidding)
Domenick Hixon-NY Giants
Jason Avant-Phil. Eagles
2.. Running Backs. Note: Adrian Peterson of the Bears is a Free Agent in 2010 also.
Ronnie Brown-Miami
Ricky Williams-Miami
Pierre Thomas-Saints
Mike Bell-Saints
Darren Sproles-Chargers
LenDale White-Titans
Kevin Faulk-NE
Le'Ron McClain-Ravens
Willie Parker-Steelers
Cadillac Williams-Tampa
3. Offensive Linemen
Jahri Evans-Saints
Logan Mankins-N.E.
Marcus McNeill-Chargers
Jared Gaither-Ravens
Winston Justice-Eagles
Kevin Mawee-Titans
Chad Clifton-Packers
Mike Gandy-Cardinals
Willie Colon-Pitts
Jeremy Trueblood-Tampa
Conclusion: Assuming the Bears rebuild the offensive line via Free Agency, Matt Forte should become a valuble commodity again. He will still need a back up to add depth at the position. I will go out on a limb and say Braylon Edwards and Brandon Marshall are the type of receivers Jay needs to have success. I would love to have me some Ronnie Brown though. Your thoughts Bears fans?
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What's a conclussion?
barring any unforseen acts of God,
Braylon Edwards
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Marshall
will all be locked up long term, i would be curious as to which lineman will be available. should make it interesting if we can get a couple good guards.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
Conclusion,(sorry)
I think we need to consider the possibilty Marshall wants to reunited with Cutler. After all it is ultimately Marshalls decision where he wants to play after a play on numbers. I will agree with you on Vincent Jackson. San Diego probably cut Chambers in anticipation of having to sign Jackson long term. I think Braylon Edwards might become available. He is still a diamond in the rough because he drops a lot of passes.
Oh dear God NOT Braylon Edwards
I am here from Ohio, so I have seen his Michigan and Cleveland days. (Oh and the Jets game last night)
All I can say is NO ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Drops more than he catches and a real attitude (not the good kind)
There Is A Good Crop Of Free Agent Wide Receivers.
That kid Miles Austin in Dallas is pretty awesome. I’m a huge T.O fan but I know most Bears fans don’t want him. Chris Henry or Chamers works as well. I suppose Braylon can stay in New York but he is a match up nightmare for opposing Defenses.
we just need that big body wide out
to go and get the ball. if aj smith in sandiego is stupid and lets jackson walk which i doubt angelo needs to go and get him! period!
but i would wet myself if we would be able to get logan mankins and jahri evans
mcneill should be locked up long term as well
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 4, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not as worried about the WRs
As I am about the line. If Angelo has any balls/talent as a GM, he’s building up his mock lists right now and getting ready to agressively go after some of these O-lineman as soon as day one of free agency begins. And I still think we need to take at least 1-2 O-lineman in the draft, if anything to create as much competition as possible in camp next year. Our whole line sucks, so it doesn’t matter what positions we upgrade – guards, tackles or a center. We literally need help at every position on that line.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Logan Mankins would be a great add
to shore up the interior of the line. He wants to extend in NE, though, and I can’t imagine they won’t accomodate. The rest of the linemen don’t look too attractive.
If things continue to go south in Denver, Marshall could walk. Coming to play with Cutler could be attractive to him.
I’d love to see us take a look at Fat Lendale, he’ll come cheap since he’s had a lousy season, and he sure would help us out in the red zone.
and the cant franchise him
or theyll let wilfork walk the bears defnitly need to make a push for him if hes available
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 4, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
i would be very surprised if they let him out on the market
if this were to happen one would think the bears wouldn’t be stupid enough to not make a play to get him onboard. from what i have read lately it seems like quality FA o linemen are not going to be in abundance this offseason
by reefermadness3 on Dec 4, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
your right there not
but some teams are in a dilemma look at these two for example and tell me if im wrong.
Chargers Marcus Mcneil- and excellent left tackle
Vincent Jackson- a monster plain and simplee
both become free agent of course one gets franchised but how loyal does the other stay? especially knowing he can get a huge payday( not from the bears neccesarily but anyone)
Same thing for the patriots- Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins- one will get franchised and one will hit the market the question is which ever guy hits the market is open game and someone will make an offer
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 4, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
well then
you have a good point….the way you comb your hair covers it nicely though :)
this is one dilemma the bears definitely do not have unfortunately. i can already hear $%^#%^ angelo and his “there has to be sobriety blabla” caca this upcoming offseason. i mean i don’t want a dan snyder-type as a gm but i think most of us really, really want to see a busy halas hall trying very hard to upgrade their roster come springtime.
by reefermadness3 on Dec 4, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
he’s a guard, so while he’s elite-caliber and will cost them, it won’t be left tackle-type pricing. If I’m the Pats, I extend Mankins and tag Wilfork. To me, Wilfork is way more key to their game plan than Mankins—without him, teams are going to eat Jerod Mayo alive and run straight up the middle on them. (See Urlacher’s career post-Ted Washington/Keith Traylor/productive Tommie Harris). Mankins is important, but he doesn’t play a classic pass protection position.
I’d love it if he makes it to the Bears, but I think the Patriots are pretty savvy with player evaluation and in general. The Moss trade for a 4th rounder is still one of the greatest steals in sports, and the Wes Welker trade (for end of the round 2nd and 7th round picks) was also a steal. In two quick moves within a month or so, they gave Brady a complete arsenal. Ridiculous.
by PrincetonCubs on Dec 5, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
They'd be a little crazy to let him go
But it’s nice to speculate. If anything, we need to be in his face, trying to wine and dine him as much as possible. Chicago’s the second biggest market in the NFL, and I’m shocked that more FA’s don’t want to play here.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Bryant or Breaston
I can see Angelo — if he stays — chasing those two receivers, giving them low-ball offers and settling for Lance Moore. Breaston would likely be a No. 1 on this team and would allow the Bears to move Hester to the slot – where he should have been all along if their hellbent on making him a WR.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
It's clear the big weaknesses of this team are OL, Secondary, and WR
In that order. I’d rather have a good fix of one that shitty fixes for all 3
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by RightFieldSucks on Dec 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions
*than shitty fixes for all 3
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by RightFieldSucks on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not worried about the RBs...
but I’d love to swap out the Bears AP for LeRon McClain; McClain is a true beast and a great 3rd down guy. Kahlil Bell is a good compliment to Forte, so RBs are set. This team needs at least 2 upgrades at the OL. If the Bears would get Omiyale time at RT and WIllimas time at LT, we can see how badly the OT are needed, but the Bears absolutely need to get an all-pro guard. Beekman needs to play center next season and Kreutz can be a player/coach. After all that, get a #1WR and the offense is capable of top 10 numbers. Next, get a stud DT or DE or both, probably both. Figure out the SLB position; is it June, Pisa, whomever. Next get a shutdown cover corner. Lastly, get a FS who can either cover or tackle but at least one; maybe that’s Alfalfa, maybe not. We all know it’s not Manning.
That’s a lot of people to get, so get on it now! The last few games need to show who on this team can play. Next, the coaches (except Toub) gotta go! There’s a lot of work to get done before next season, so get to work dammit!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
LeRon Is A Beast!
I agree, he would be a nice addition to the Goal Line Offense. I’m not so sure we need to retire Kreutz just yet but he is getting close. I really have no problem with Toub being Head Coach as long as he has experienced coodinators underneath him. There are going to be some interesting Defensive players available. I will try and cover that over the weekend. Thanks for your reply LostInSTL.
once again,
sign mankins to long term deal, sign casey hampton for few years, trade vasher, 3rd round pick, and iglesias for dwayne bowe and 3rd/4rd round pick. Also, trade for duke robinson from carolina for something worth low. Oh yeah, and hire shanahan as HC, weis as OC and QB coach, Ron Rivera as DC(if he gets fired), and resign Dave Toub.
the oline should be top priority
so they should go after mankins and maybe evans (dont know if they play the same position hopefully not). next go after a WR breaston seems a good fit maybe moore as well. dont think the bears owners will pay marshall what he wants. he’ll get a better deal from another team.
have you all forgotten what JA said last year
the QB makes the WR..with this in mind he drafts two in 2009 (one in 3rd and one in 5th)
he wont make a play for a wideout. if he wanted a big body guy he would have went after matt jones and lovie would have been told to play DA. its time to stop living in fantasy land. our staff MIGHT go after one or two inferior oline men and possible some dlineman depends on who they cut and resign.
he is convinced that cutler can make our wr’s great. and that wont change for a few years. dont get too excited that anything will change next year.
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
yes and no
Cutler can make our WRs better. He already has IMO. Poor O Line play has been the bane of this offense on both sides of the ball. It doesn’t help that the Bears receivers and play calls do not fit Cutler’s strengths.
A big WR would make an appreciable difference, but an improved OLine would pay greater dividends. Considering how much the offense has struggled, I can’t see JA not signing FAs to shore up the OLine (no position swap experiments this time) and attempting to sign a WR. If Cutler does poorly in 2010 it will reflect very poorly on Angelo.
Yes
And I think it’s now time to give Lovie and Jerry Angelo new knicknames. They can now be referred to as ‘Dumb And Dumber’
Dear Santa ....
I’d try and get …
WR:
Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall, Miles Austin, T.O., Steve Breaston
RB:
Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Lendale White, Pierre Thomas, Jerious Norwood or Chester Taylor, Leon Washington.
OL:
Jahri Evans, Daryn Colledge, Logan Mankins
LB:
Demeco Ryans, Thomas Davis, D’Qwell Jackson (we need a player with an apostrophe), Kirk Morrison, Barrett Ruud.
TE :
So long and thanks for the fish Greg ! Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels, and eh, everybody …!
CB:
Tramon Williams or Richard Marshall please. Usama Young (RFA)
Safety :
O.J. Atogwe, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Sharper at 33?
It would be nice to take somebody away from GB …
D line :
Julius Peppers or Elvis Dumervil at DE please. Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Richard Seymour, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly.
by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 7, 2009 1:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Look like Cards are taking Breaston
Might be Letting Anquan Boldin go
I would take him if I had to. But he might be wanting too big for his britches money being he has shown injury and is what 30-32 now?
It could be Moose Muhammad Round 2.
At time of (probable) signing with the Bears, Boldin, 30 years old. Moose, 31.
QB at the helm: Boldin, Cutler. Moose, Gross-Orton.
Problems affecting (probable) productivity in Chicago: Moose, bad QB play and advancing age. Boldin, injury bug, rest of team, and advancing age.
Meh… I’d sign Boldin if we could get him cheap, but I would want to handle the rest of the issues first, O-Line step 1.
Only sign Boldin if we could get him cheap?!
Seriously?? I agree that the OL should be a top priority, but why on earth would you think Boldin would be cheap?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
If we could somehow end up trading for Boldin,
PAY THE MAN! Why try to be cheap with one of the best WRs in the league?
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Maybe my logic's off (and there's a slight misinterp. here...)
I’d rather ensure my QB would have time to hit any/all WRs on the team instead of getting a better WR and my QB having less time to find him (and him having less time to get open). There’s paying, and then there’s paying to the detriment of other positions of need… of which we have a lot. WR is one, but O-Line needs to be addressed, IMO, a lot more seriously than WR does. In my opinion, we’re seeing this a bit with the Cutler trade – yeah, we got a good thing, and we gave up draft picks and an OK starting QB (paying) but a bunch of bad things got exposed which we can’t immediately fix thanks to what we gave up (detriment – Gaines Adams trade contributed but the Cutler trade started this slide).
Would I be happy with Boldin? Yes. Do we have the room to give him money? Yes. Would I sign him? Yes, and I would give him a decent sum of money (maybe “cheap” skewed my feeling; I don’t think he deserves huge money, but he is signable). Do we have other places where we can spend that money, though? I think we have places that need it more (O-Line, secondary – WR falls down my priority list).
Besides, at this point, if we’re trading, what do we trade with? 2011’s 1st and 3rd and further reduce our draft quality (assume competent picks)?
What?
So SJS_illini and smudgers take a pass on Boldin because he’s 30? Oh yeah, I forgot you guys think Devin Hester is the answer at Wide Receiver. Thanfully neither one of you is the Bears GM
Huh?
When did I say I’d take a pass at him… at all? Just so you know (>) means greater, meaning me likey, meaning WTF are you talking about now?
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Yes. I would.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
SJS does NOT pass on Boldin because he is 30.
SJS passes on Boldin because WR is not as glaring a need as, at the LEAST, offensive line. Failure to read much? Only two minor lines above mention anything about age, way to cherrypick individual words.
Initially, I was ok with the Muhammad signing. If we got Boldin, I would be ok with it as well – WR IS a need on this team, but not THE need. Wouldn’t make me as happy as seeing a clean Jay jersey at the end of the day, but it’d make me happy. I just don’t want to get him at the continued detriment of everything else – we gave up 4 players (Ort plus picks) to get 2 (Cut plus pick), are we going to give up another 2 or 3 (potential) players to get one?
I Just Don't Understand..........
The comparison between the two players Muhammad and Boldin. It makes no sense to me.
Big name WR the Bears signed
Beyond that, I am not comparing the players. What I’m saying is that the situation would be like when we got Moose – decent player at the time, but we don’t use ‘em as well as their prior teams did. If we get Boldin now, that’s what I see with this team of ours.
Again, would I sign him? Yes. Would I sign him RIGHT THIS SECOND WHATEVER IT TAKES OMG HE IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING BEARS!!!!? No.
Oh, and by the way...
Never once, on any site, on any post, at any time, verbally, written on paper, skywritten, emailed, texted, etc., did I ever say that Devin Hester is the answer at wide receiver. My allegation is that fixing the offensive line will solve a lot of issues on the offensive side of the ball; however, I do agree that at some point we will need better skill position personnel, wide receiver included. Please rescind that slanderous allegation immediately.
-/SJS
Agreed,
OL is a much bigger need than WR, so is DL and arguably DBs, but WR is a big need.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well I Would Not Want To Slander You
So are you saying Devin Hester is not the answer at Receiver? Please help me unterstand your stance?
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Now you’re just being an annoyance. (swats) It’s your hyperbolic, high-reaching, either-this-or-that assumptions of my opinions. Just stop that.
Seriously, man.
I do not believe that Devin Hester is the single, ultimate answer at WR. He could be a good one, but ideally no, he is not the number one WR on my team.
You are not alone
When the Bears got MM he was way over the hill, whereas Boldin has not reached the peak yet.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
There isn't a comparison of the two as WRs. Of course Boldin's better.
Read above please?
Beyond that, I am not comparing the players. What I’m saying is that the situation would be like when we got Moose – decent player at the time, but we don’t use ‘em as well as their prior teams did. If we get Boldin now, that’s what I see with this team of ours.
Most of that is due to the mess around the team, including O-Line, running game, defense, et cetera. I don’t think a big-name WR instantly brings wins.
Hmmm,
the Bears should not try to get better players because they might not use them as well another team? How exactly does that make sense?
Just getting an improved OL is not going to be enough to be an elite team, that’s the point. The Bears need to upgrade the WRs along with the line on the offensive side of the ball. Getting Boldin gives the team an elite WR, something it obviously lacks, and that makes the team better.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
And I acknowledged that in an earlier comment.
But in my opinion, O-Line is where it starts, THEN I would improve the skill positions.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Dec 9, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Me Think That One Went Over Your Head
Kind of like Don’t sign Boldin he cost too much and he’s 30,(actually 29)…………..And then Yes, sign him but as a secondary consideration to the Offensive Line and only if he’s cheap.
...What the FLIP are you talking about?!
I have never said “Do not sign him under any circumstances he sucks and isn’t worth it and he’s old and stuff!”
All I have EVER said on this is that this team isn’t in any shape to sign a big-name WR and expect immediate dividends. He will improve the WR corps, yes. But improving the O-Line will improve the offense as a whole. THEN, you go sign the weapons.
What about all this are you still not understanding? Seriously. At LEAST take the time to read my comments. Any more of yours like this and either I assume you don’t understand the english language or you’re just trying to annoy me.
If anything
All I have ever seen from your posts on this are attempts to stretch anyone’s comments to either a “Yes I want him” or “No I don’t want him” and attempt to make us all sound like fools. This is not a black-and-white issue. I’m sure the thought of adding a great WR makes people giddy. But to me it’s kind of like the draft commercial ESPN ran a few years ago, with David Carr of the Texans standing there ready to hike the ball and having no O-Line and also missing a couple weapons on the field. It does no good to have the weapons if you can’t protect the guy passing the ball to those weapons or open holes for the guy carrying the rock.
You know, I've been nothing but consistent on this.
I don’t see what in my opinion is so hard to follow. I choose to go after the O-Line first and get better skill position personnel (such as Boldin) second. What (beyond smudgers’ posted beer bottles) is keeping you from understanding this?
You seem to be obsessed with the order in which the upgrades happen
that is what makes little sense. Yes, the Bears need to upgrade the OL and the WRs. Which they do first this offseason does not matter one iota though.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 10, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I still believe the game starts from the line out.
Maybe also improving the line further improves the run game and pass game outright. Improving the WR corps first only helps if that WR corps becomes respectable enough to back off the pressure on the QB, which leads to better run production as well. I just consider O-Line more of a sure thing.
The point is
it does not matter where they start, the Bears need to improve in several areas. If they should upgrade WR first, why does it matter as long as they also upgrade the OL?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 10, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Simultaneously can be done.
I just want to make sure the QB has time to pass and the RB has holes to run through before I bring in better skill position players, and I rather not have that part of the team be considered an afterthought, like it seems like it has been. That’s why I’m saying address O-Line first – the fixes didn’t work this year, maybe new fixes will work next year.
Simultaneously Or Offensive Line First?
Where do you stand SJS_illini? Are you waffling again? stand your ground man! I’m so cornfused!
Gessie... Shut up.
Offensive line, numero uno. Simultaneously is still technically first. Ideally, I’d want the thing shored up before I start talking about getting a weapon. O-Line is my priority need in a team that’s chock full of needs. If you can shore up the line AND get a good WR? Ta-freaking-da.
Are you even listening to my comments anymore?
I’ve said, in every single comment I posted here, that we need to address offensive line before we look at WR. Deadred posted the one scenario in which I’d be comfortable getting a WR immediately, and that addressed getting the O-Line simultaneously.
It is obvious, Gessie, that you just like to hear yourself speak stupidly. I’m not contradicting myself. Get it through your thick skull.
by SJS_illini on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeebus,
Looks like I missed some hearty debate this past week! Darn.
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by David Taylor on Dec 12, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Priorities
I wouldn’t care if they addressed NO other area next year, but a dominating offensive line is key above all else.
by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 8, 2009 2:31 AM CST up reply actions
Bernard Berrian.
We wouldn’t pay Berrian 7M to stay, that’s either worrying … or Bernard Berrian isn’t very good.
by Irish Bears Fan on Dec 8, 2009 2:30 AM CST up reply actions
the latter
BB is a dangerous receiver, but not good enough to warrant that kind of money.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
No matter which way you slice it!
Boldin > Moose
and
Cutler/Boldin > Ortman/Moose
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
calm down there, sparky.
I read your other replies, and was only responding to this…
It could be Moose Muhammad Round 2.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Whoa there fella...
First, Boldin just turned 29… some would argue that he’s in his prime.
Second, what from the article you linked to makes you think that the Cards are going to let Boldin go? Just because they haven’t reworked his contract yet doesn’t mean anything…
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
Never said they were
According to the article
The conventional move would be to let Boldin play out his current deal and leave via free agency, slide Breaston into the No. 2 role and invest the money the team saved in a key player (or players) at other positions.
And his teammates
"They won’t pay him," predicted defensive tackle Darnell Dockett(notes), another standout who has unsuccessfully lobbied for a new deal. "He’ll have to go somewhere else to get it. But one way or the other, he’ll get what he deserves."
A yes he is 29 not 30-32 and I would agree might be in his prime. What comes after prime? Past it. And based on Bears history/luck – we would get the Past.
And as I stated I would def. take him as long as he is not demanding some stupid price tag.
Where do you get that from?
And as I stated I would def. take him as long as he is not demanding some stupid price tag.
What is confusing you here?
My guess would be:
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Mr. Budweiser can be a good source of inspiration and advice sometimes!
Then again, sometimes his advice gets you embarassed on the internet.
So If I Understand TheMan1 Correctly Through My Haze...........
Boldin should sign for the league minnimum to play for the Bears. Okay, I got it now. You guys are so smart is is difficult to keep up with you. I will try harder.
What about TheMan1's comment...
would lead you to believe, at all, that the only thing he is recommending is to sign him for the league minimum? Of course there would be a reasonable contract, just not one that demands All-Pro, best-player in the universe type money.
As Dion Sanders Says.............
Pay The Man! Why do you pundants think he wants to leave Arizona? Drrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So what, you want to give a single wide receiver the entirety of our salary cap room?
Brilliant. See, I can sound like you too.
You have failed to convince me that he deserves to be paid break-the-bank, franchise player, all-world WR money. I explained in full my opinion of why we shouldn’t do so. You want to stand by yours? Prove it.
Not sure that's still a possibility...
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Haha!
Looks like my old college roommate’s bookshelf at this point. Only a lot more Corona and Bacardi.
I Will State My Position Clearly.
That way for those who like to make wide open statements and make fun of others it offers some clairity. Unless the Bears are willing to pay at least 1 Million a Year to Boldin they will not even have a sniff at him. Despite the fact I do not drink smudgers I don’t think that exceeds the salary cap. I hope this helps………………
Thank you. Now you may stop stretching my words as well.
I was looking to spend between five and six-and-a-half. Over 7 I think is where he gets overpaid – maybe when I have time I can compare stats and such I can get a more accurate figure that I’d be comfortable with.
Thank you
That is exactly what I would have said. Sign him = YES. Overpay for a contract because he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread (yes I bring it old school) = NO.
I don’t know alot about his demands or character but I know he is a great #1 receiver and the article reads like he is thinking he should get paid big time.
Based on JA’s history I do not have much confidence he could be competent in doing such. Overpaying for crap and not going after talent that is worth being paid seems to be his MO.
Boldin
I think he would be looking for the first 4 to 5 Year contract that comes his way. Probably a 5 Year 30 million or something in that neighborhood. So whether that is the Bears or even Arizona that remains to be seen. Marshall, Austin, Owens, Breaston, plenty to choose from.
As long as Bears address it seriously i am good with it.
Sign someone of a true #1 caliber all I am asking. I mentioned Boldin because of article I found and OP listed Breaston. Personally I would like to see someone of a pro-typical WR, 6’4" or so and over 230.
Absolutely!
As long as they address the issue. Whether it’s Boldin or whoever. A proven Receiver that creates match up problems for Defenses in the passing game. I don’t know what the Bears will do with all the little people if they sign someone.
the issue
with getting any one of these players is that Jerry Angelo is such an idiot that he probably doesn’t believe that these guys can make the team any better. I kind of think that Lovie tells him that what he has on the team is good enough and Angelo is dumb enough to believe it. But Jay seems to have a bit of sway so i think he’ll lobby for a better line and possibly a big receiver. i honestly believe that even though the Broncos have won 2 in a row, he’s still unhappy and that the Broncos will probably let him leave. The question is will the Bears spend the money to get him? but im hoping for a couple of guards on the oline and the demotion of kreutz
Boldin is 6'1.
If we’re going to get a number one then I want a number one who can beat most guys int he air. That means 6’4. That means Vinnie Jackson or Brandon Marshall. I’d personally be happier if hadn’t gotten rid of BRandon Rideau at 6’3 but Angelo felt we needed Juaquin Iglesias more …
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