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Tommie Harris' Future With the Bears

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Tommie Harris...  What to do with Tommie Harris?  His salary, though not as out of line as many think, is still a large chunk of change.  But if he's wreaking havoc like the Pro Bowl Tommie, does anyone really care how much his deal is worth?  Many people have floated the idea of trading him, myself included, but is there a market for him and would any potential deal bring anything worth the salary relief?  The Cover 2 defense looks to be in place again next year, so that 3 technique tackle is a necessity.  If it isn't Harris, is there someone on the current roster that can be that guy?  Questions, questions, questions...

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For the record here's the info on his contract;  Last summer he signed a four year $40 million extension that takes him through 2012.  $18 million of the deal is guaranteed and next year he's set to make $1.235 million (and a $2.5 million roster bonus in June if he makes the roster), in 2011 he'll make $2.3125 million, and in 2012 he'll make $2.5 million.  A lot, yes, but not untradeable.

I think the best case scenario for all involved, would be if Harris were 100% healthy for 2010 and was able to play at that Pro Bowl form.  But how realistic is that?  The last two seasons he's started slow, not to mention the "benchings" he received in each of the last two years, and hasn't really showed any consistency in being the player he was.  He's showed flashes, but he hasn't been able to maintain it.  Against the Rams he didn't play as much as in weeks past because his knee was acting up.  Asides from the best case scenario, here are a few other possibilities for Tommie as they finish out the season.

1)  He keeps this upward swing in play going for the rest of '09 and gives some hope to the Bears that 2010 will be a big year for him.  If Harris were to finish strong the Bears would have some options.

            a) Ride it out and see if he can regain his old form.  Let's face it, if he's right, he's one of the best DT's in the league, and why move away from a potentially dominating force inside.

            b)  If he can finish strong, it'll be the highest his trade value will be since 2006.  I don't think they'll get too much for him (a late second or third round draft pick at most).  In trading him the Bears will have to find another team that is lacking at DT, a team that is willing to take on the salary, and a team that really believes in Tommie.

            c)  Keep him and reevaluate him before the 2010 trade deadline.  This could backfire if he regresses next season, but if he looks good a trade could present itself.  Then again if he's looking good why trade him?

2)  He continues to show flashes of his brilliance, but no consistency.

            a)  Trade him, but what would he bring as a shell of his old self?  A sixth or a fifth round pick at best?  Finding a willing trade partner with him not going good will prove to be tough.

            b)  Cut him this off season.  They'll be no stud DT coming in the draft, so is Marcus Harrison gonna be that guy?  Israel IdonijeJarron Gilbert

            c)  Keep him because even at less that 100% he's still the best you have.  I really think this may be the way the Bears go.

I guess one other scenario could play itself out.  He could keep struggling with injuries the rest of this season and show no signs of improvement this off season.  Then the writing would be on the wall in regards to his future.  Honestly I hope he can bounce back from his recent struggles, everything I've read and heard about him off the field paints him in a good light.

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What do you believe the future holds for Tommie Harris?
He’ll stay, and I’m happy about it.
207 votes
He’ll stay, unfortunately...
217 votes
He’ll be cut.
39 votes
He’ll be traded.
94 votes

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trade for picks...

if he is as good as everyone has said i think we should trade him for picks….ive seen nothing from this guy worthy of his juicy contract…a trade could result in playmakers or several draft picks…

by bearsfan87 on Dec 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

I sure hope so

It won’t happen because they will probably pick Clausen, but the Rams are in dire need of defensive linemen.

by Don't Fear the Reaper on Dec 8, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The Rams. Not us.

He’s saying the Rams need D-Linemen, but they’ll probably save the pick to burn on Clausen.

by SJS_illini on Dec 8, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand that...

But if the Rams were going to take Clausen, they’d be using their 1st round pick. If they were going to trade for Harris, we’re talking probably a 3rd round pick at best, so I don’t see the correlation between using a pick on Clausen and trading a pick for Harris

by Poloplaya14 on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

At best a third...

I dunno. I think trading him is pretty burdensome at this point anyway for us, and there’s not a chance of us getting anything high.

by SJS_illini on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Double teams

Someone who watches more games and even re-watches them would be able to speak to this more than I, but it seems like he’s almost always getting double-teamed. If that’s true, wouldn’t the problem be the other DT who isn’t getting more upfield pressure? Isn’t it good to have a DT like Tommie who is creating more one-on-one match ups for the rest of the lineman?

by ClawsClawsClaws on Dec 8, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

i do not think this is true

he is double teamed at times, as is the case with any DT.

by Hatchetm on Dec 8, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

The double teams

have been less and less this season, from what I’ve noticed.

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by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

not much double team

he’s been completely invisible in many games while just facing one lineman (including some sub-par Guards at that).

Occassionally, he makes a play. Though, he jumps offsides more than he makes plays.

Fat contract or no fat contract, he’s just not good enough/consistent enough to be our 3 technique DT.

At this point, we really need to get Gilbert some reps. Heck, I’d like to see Idonije get more playing time too.

by MakeHalasProud on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

A few big problems

If the Bears want to trade him, there are several things that will hold it up. First off, Tommie may have a difficult time passing another team’s physical in order to complete the trade. Second, there aren’t many defenses he would be a good fit for, as many teams don’t run the one-gap scheme. Thirdly, what can the Bears expect in return for him? Maybe a third rounder at best because of his health concerns. That all adds up to a trade not happening. The Bears are better off keeping him if Lovie and his scheme stay for another year.

We're not scaremongering (nightmare of a season continues), this is really happening (Bears are more than done) - Radiohead

by propheteer on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

Trade him...

is how I voted, but don’t know if I believe it or not. Most likely… he’ll be back, missing practices with the Bears next season.

Personally, I wouldn’t be heart broken if he were traded.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

here's the thing

Harris played damn good prior to his hamstring being torn from the bone when he did the splits in a game a couple of years ago, and then he had the knee injury. Then as you all know, he had that surgery this past off season to clean out scar tissue. The mystery to me is what is REALLY going on with his knee/leg? His history with the Bears prior to the injuries was really good, so why all of a sudden would he be a head case? My thought is IF he is medically sound, then he needs to be motivated somehow, and that means working on his head – maybe he does not trust his knee any more. Maybe the Bears need to let an outside specialist examine his knee and leg and see what the heck is going on – if anything. I would hate to trade him away and then have some other team unlock his potential.

"I am not an animal!" - Merrick

by Maelvampyre on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

we need to keep #91

We got absolutely destroyed in the games he missed. It is hard for me to criticize him for not practicing and not always playing with reckless abandon because frankly this organization is not dedicated to winning football games. Harris is still an elite player and the Bears need to accumulate more such players, not less. I have long said that in the cover 2 the #2 DT is just as important as the #1. I am not thrilled with Anthony Adams or Marcus Harrison and where is Jarron Gilbert?

Re Trades of Harris, Urlacher, and Hester: The notion that Jerry Angelo improves the Bears by trading any of those guys is lunacy.

by No It All on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

What do you mean by this?
It is hard for me to criticize him for not practicing and not always playing with reckless abandon because frankly this organization is not dedicated to winning football games.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Dec 8, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It is hard for me to criticize him for not practicing and not always playing with reckless abandon because frankly this organization is not dedicated to winning football games.

Despite what organizational deficiencies you think the Bears have, Tommie Harris not giving it “his all” is on him. And it is one of the main reasons, I wouldn’t be sad if he wasn’t a Bear next year.

Furthermore,

the Bears need to accumulate more such players, not less.

I’d rather have a team full of mid-talent level players that give it their all every play rather than a highly talented player that doesn’t wanna practice or likes to take plays off.

Lastly, what have the Bears done to show you they aren’t dedicated to win football games?

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Easy to criticize him on a keyboard, but I am being realistic...

Guy has a bum knee and the team is turrible. That $1billion dollar organization won’t pay for a legit offensive coordinator or offensive lineman, or receiver, or secondary player for financial reasons shows me that the Bears are not dedicated to winning football games. That must be very disconcerting when that same organization and its fan base still ask you to run through brick walls every Sunday.

by No It All on Dec 8, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

you give Tommie a free pass on his lackluster play because you don’t agree with who’s running the offense, great logic there.

To talk about the commitment, the Bears went out and signed a franchise QB in the off-season. Then “tried” shoring up the line by signing Pace, Omiyale and Schaffer. They drafted two new receivers under the assumption that the QB makes the recievers, one of which is working out very nicely. Not to mention, Bowman was a stud in training camp and AA is doing alright. Turner was working with what he had in seasons past, but you’ll likely get your wish after the season. So, you can sit here and talk about them not being “committed” but the moves were made, the pieces were in place. Some just didn’t work out as they would’ve liked.

And of course I’m criticizing him from a keyboard… this IS a fan blog, isitnot?

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

"tried"

but failed, miserably. Bowman’s training camp, Knox being a decent possible slot receiver someday, and Turner’s elusive benefits are not enough to deserve another “try”. Especially when all they are “trying” to do is the minimum necessary to appease the ever loyal fanbase. There is no way JfrigginA gets us more then we lose by trading Harris or Hester.

I am not excusing Harris for not practicing and such, but my griping about it isnt going to change who he is, which is a fundamental part of our defense regardless of how dysfunctional it currently is.

by No It All on Dec 8, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you keep saying Hester?

Have I brought him up once? This post is about the future of Tommie alone.

I dunno and somewhat doubt Angelo would get us more than what he’s worth. But like I said, the lack of caring that Tommie has shown over the past few years is the reason I’d support whatever move they make. If they keep him fine, I just hope someone can light a friggin’ fire in the guy.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If he stays I hope he's healthy

He had plenty of Fire when he went to those Pro Bowls, his injuries have slowed him down.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 8, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd really like to think it's just the injuries.

But I don’t know anymore. And I’d love it if he came back healthy and actually practiced on getting better once and a while.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Dec 8, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If the same scheme is in place next season I would just end up keeping him.

Jarron Gilbert is too much of a mystery and Harrison has been a disappointment this year. If the McCaskeys blow it up at the end of the season then I would cut my ties with Harris, because he’s never going to be 100%, and I question rather he has the heart to even play the game anymore.

by NiqueBears on Dec 8, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

if only our stupid coaches played gilbert some

we’d have a better idea what we have in him. but no, its smarter to keep the same unproductive d-line in place most of the game. i get keeping the vets in IF they’re producing, but they’re simply not.

by guy incognito on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say keep him for now..

If we trade him he’ll heal up/grow up and be some godly DT for another team. We have no viable way to replace him in our D with the lack of draft picks..If his knee is slowing him that much he should just go under the knife now and get them to fix it properly this time. he’d be ready by next season..and no need to rush him back since this season is pretty much over.

by Pretender85 on Dec 8, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Bears are stuck with him...

Not that that’s a bad thing. He can still contribute to this team, albeit not as much as you would hope and the Bears hoped when they gave him that contract. But he’s still a positive, just not a huge one.

But it just doesn’t seem to make sense to get rid of him. There’s no real chance of getting anything of value in a trade. And I’d be surprised if we could replace him with a free agent and get better. So what’s the point? It’s too bad, but you’re better off with him than without. I wish there was a way for the Bears to upgrade themselves, but I don’t see it.

by TCBullfrog on Dec 8, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

trade...for another player

you’re getting, at best, a 2nd round pick (probably not even that) for harris. i think we’re better off just trading him for another player. maybe a good o-lineman. or FS. or WR. i dunno. his value is somewhat low, but if he plays decent the rest of the year, we could get something decent in return…of course, if we’re convinced he’s actually healthy and playing well, then we just keep him, as harris is one of the best DTs in football when he’s right. which hasn’t been since 2006.

by guy incognito on Dec 8, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions  

wow

this is a real close poll…

fans are really split on Harris

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

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