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What to Watch For: Packers


Well, we had to wait till week 14 for our first rematch against an NFC North foe, who better for it to be against than the cheesies up north? In lieu of standing here in the intro making a bunch of fudge-packing jokes, let's talk about the actual team... We had the misfortune of facing their new 3-4 defense first, but now that there's tape on it, does that give us any more advantage the second go-around? And how do we handle this Aaron Rodgers-led offense, who's rapidly becoming one of the top QBs in the league (maybe top 5)? Let's take an early look at this matchup, but first, accountability from last week.

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Accountability

So during last week's game against the Rams, I again laid out four keys, two X-Factors and a prediction...

Steven Jackson: We succeeded on this one; Jackson had 28 carries for 112 yards and another four receptions for only 9 yards, accounting for the most offense on the team. No end-zone splashes, and for the being the everything on this offense, that's something.

Hitting Kyle Boller: Hey, what do you know, we DO have a defensive line! 3 sacks (4 TFLs) with 7 QB hits. Have we found a line worse than our O-Line? We just might have!

The Rush: Well, we ran. We didn't run WELL, but we ran. Forte (24-91) and Bell (11-35) had most of the work on the day. 

The Deep Ball: If Jay hadn't dinged his hand, we might've had a LOT more to talk about in this section. Suffice to say, Hester, 48-yarder. Bennett, 71-yarder including YAC and fumble.

Rams X-Factor Danny Amendola: I guess his prior games were the outlier and this is the norm. 3 targets, 1 reception, 0 yards, 1 rush, 8 yards, 1 fumble. Yeesh - whiff. Still better than Daniel Fells, the other guy I was considering (no targets).

Bears X-Factor Matt Forte: 24 carries, 91 yards, TD. Ran better than usual, eclipsed my prediction.

Prediction: Bears 27-24: This is a win (2-0 on season since I started doing this fanpost).

Random thoughts... What's the record for number of fumbles in a game that weren't recovered by the other team? Just wondering, cause I think we broke it last week (5). ... Williams might not be pushing Briggs to the bench, but is it possible he might take a few reps from Roach on the other side? Or does this mean Briggs might be more expendable than we think? ... Is WR more of a need than I give it credit for? I know Jay just missed DA's hands on that screen throw (and it didn't help that DA couldn't get more in front of it), but I couldn't help but think that if DA is on the field, we need more help than we think. Bennett looked pretty good but for some reason I'm not yet sold on him (By the way, please hold onto the ball? It's sort of important.). I was impressed with Hester's grabbage of that 48-yarder, now if only he'd help Jay out more like that.

Now... to the Cheeseheads!

1) S Al Afalava must be a beast.

Rodgers has weapons. He will hit his weapons. Afalava (and the rest of the secondary) has to play strong in this game. I'm sure Rodgers has seen what Favre did to the Bears, and trust me, he thinks/knows he can do better.

2) Pressure QB Aaron Rodgers

The Green Bay O-Line is the same piece of swiss (see what I did there?) that it was when we first met in Week 1 - maybe a little stronger, but still swiss. Rodgers has been sacked 45 times. However, in last night's win against Baltimore, Rodgers threw 3 TDs and 2 INTs while being sacked once and hit twice. Baltimore doesn't hit like they used to, but Rodgers can still be pressured. We did in the first round, and we need to now.

3) Hang on to the football

Turnovers are at a premium. One fumble recovered by the other team is one thing. Another five on the ground but recovered by your team is another thing. Secure the ball. Remember, the less a team has the ball, the less opportunity that team has to score. And hey, typically it's the team that has the most points that wins the game. (End Madden impersonation)

4) Finish drives.

When you have a chance to score, SCORE. I hate the matchup of Rodgers vs our defense, especially because it isn't Boller against our defense. Don't be content to run 3 times and kick a FG. Take the chains off and go for the end zone - the Bears will not beat the Packers by kicking field goals all day. Of course, if you have to, kick the FG, but don't act like you're settling for a FG when it's only first down.

Packers X-Factor) TE Jermichael Finley

I originally had Ryan Grant here, but that was way too obvious, and I like going a little more obscure with X-Factors. Finley was the main weapon for Rodgers against BAL Monday night (7-79-2 on 8 targets). When he's been in, he's done good things. Over the last three games, he's had 17 receptions - Rodgers is developing more trust in his TE, which can't be good for the Bears. Prediction: 7 targets, 5 receptions, 65 yards.

Bears X-Factor) DE Adewale Ogunleye

Wale, I'm calling you out. You had two sacks against GB in week one. Your only other games with sacks were 2.5 against DET and one sack last week against STL (and a half sack against ARI). That means in eight games you have been sackless, and you have less than a sack in 9 games. Your sack has been removed. Get your sack back. Prediction: 4 Tackles, 1.5 Sacks, 3 TFLs.

Prediction) PACKERS 27 - 17 BEARS

I don't like this matchup. It could be reminiscent of the Bears-Vikings matchup two weeks ago. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this one being pretty - GB has become the overall #2 defense, and we... well, um, are not.

Questions? Comments? Insert typical Packer Bashing here! And of course, also feel free to insert your "SJS you're a dumbass" comments below with the rest of 'em!

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You said that the Bears now have tape on the Packers 3-4 and asked if that gives the Bears an advantage? Well, for most teams, yes it would. For the Bears, no it doesn’t. Having tape on a team is utterly pointless if the coaches breaking it down are utterly clueless!!

This is going to be ugly folks!!!

by McRipper on Dec 8, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, maybe my mistake is assuming they have competent coaching...

But even seeing it once might change something – “Hey, this didn’t work, let’s do this instead.” But you’re right, this is the coaching staff that stays away from what works.

by SJS_illini on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's sad isn't it?

We have to assume the Bears have tape on all their opponents but yet they still find a way to look like complete shit!! The flip side is, the opponents have tape on the Bears and it’s pretty apparent that they actually watched it because the Bears have been exposed brutally by some of the teams they faced.

by McRipper on Dec 8, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't need tape.

Turner is predictable, the defense knows what we’ll run before we do.

by SJS_illini on Dec 8, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

the bears hopefully will at least semi-contain

rodgers taking off and running sometimes. guy is really good with his feet for a smallish qb.

since it’s at soldier field i think the bears will at least be competitive in this game. my prediction bears 31 packers 27 due to special teams glory. hey, st sucked superbad last week so they will make up for it this week

by reefermadness3 on Dec 8, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

Bears 45
Packers 18

are you kidding… you NEVER pick the Pack to win
Packers 2007 13-3 (2 of those losses came from the lowly Bears)

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 AM CST reply actions  

Oh trust me, I'm hoping and praying for a Bears win.

And I’m definitely aware of that 13-3/ 0-2 against the Bears. But after seeing what some teams have done against the Bears? Nothing at all leads me to believe that we can beat the Pack this year.

Yes. I want to be wrong.

by SJS_illini on Dec 9, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

bears dont lose at home to the pack

nathan vasher yes that nathan vasher has a pick six

by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

...When he was good

"That play was ‘Give the ball to Michael and everyone else get the @##@#% out of the way."
--Chicago Bulls head coach Doug Collins, on "The Shot"

by D-WadeChicago on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

you kidding

even SI has the Bears picked to beat the Vikings AND Packers at home… everyone understands the NFL Cosmos… we win at home against NFC north, at least once, no matter how much we suck.

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden

by BearNecessities on Dec 10, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

The Green Bay O-Line is the same piece of swiss (see what I did there?) that it was when we first met in Week 1 – maybe a little stronger, but still swiss.

Our o-line is much better since we met week 1. I think we’ve only given up 6 sacks our last 4 games. Pretty good considering the Cowboys, 49ers, and Ravens all have relatively strong front 7’s.

Our matchup with you guys always scares me. A lot of people seem to think this is going to be an easy win for us but I don’t. Our games at Soldier always seem to be close, and this one will likey be close as well.

I think it comes down to how Cutler plays. We’ll likely be able to shut down your run game, as we’ve been pretty stout as of late but Cutler definitely has the ability to shred our secondary.

I’m gonna go ahead and so he won’t be able to shred us and we’ll win 30-20 but I’m a homer.

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

To an extent, yes, the numbers can be ignored.

But what I’ve seen of both teams leads me to believe that Green Bay is far and away the better team. Unfortunately. I know NFC North matchups can always be predictable, but if I was using “unpredictability factors” I’d have a prediction sans reasoning… makes it a guess. Hate guessing.

Your O-Line has improved, no doubt – taking out Barbre definitely helped that. Doesn’t mean it can’t be cracked (and as far as sacks, Baltimore’s only got 22 on the year [even the Bears have more – 25] – Dallas and SF are at 29 and 30).

Shutting down a run game… Don’t you have to have a run game before it can be stopped? GB has very little reason to respect our run game at this point of the year, so I don’t see Cutler getting much going through the air because of that. And because it’s hard to throw from your ass.

Good luck this week, even though you know I’m praying I’m wrong on my prediction.

by SJS_illini on Dec 10, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Another close one...

but I think the packers prevail this time again. It HAS to be less sloppy but honestly the Packers have gotten better and the Bears have gotten more injured since our last meeting. I just don’t think the Bears will enough guys to contain the Packer offense. The one thing the Bears have going for them is that the Packers have a few guys on D that got banged up on MOnday night…interesting to see how they plug those holes.

by TrevorR on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

First Time Windy City Post

Hey Guys, I’m not here to trash talk (a Packer fan for the record). Neither of our teams are #1 in the NFL North, so we can collectively hate the team that is #1. Anyways…

… It was mentioned that the Packers were the #2 overall defense. Here.

GB has become the overall #2 defense
We’ve been #1 for the past two weeks. Just sayin.

That aside: I have no illusions of a blowout Packers win. I think the Bears are going to come to this game with everything they have left in the tank. There’s a pretty decent chance that the Bears can win this one. (I hate to say that) I think the Packers are stronger on offense and defense, but the Bears special teams has burnt the Packers before. I think the Bears might be able to capitalize on the Packers if the Packers come into this game overconfident. This is not going to be an easy win by any stretch of the imagination. The team that wins this game will be focused and will execute. If the Packers play a clean, focused game, I think they can overpower the Bears on both sides of the ball.

My prediction: Hard fought game, Packers 24, Bears 23

by StephanL on Dec 12, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

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