Taking Inventory: Bears Have a Mess to Clean Up
by Dane Noble on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM CST
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Now that the 2009 season is dwindling down towards an unsuccessful campaign, it's time to start looking at what we have in house that would be beneficial to carry over into 2010. We know that we have a lot of holes to fill, and that we will have to hit the next free agency period pretty hard, but it makes sense to first see who needs to weeded out of our current roster.
Brad Biggs does a good job of compiling some names of who will be RFAs and UFAs, and who he thinks might be worth bringing back in 2010.
Who does he think the Bears might bring back?
LB Nick Roach
From Biggs:
Defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, who leads the team with six sacks, is in the final year of his contract, and Angelo hasn't ruled out bringing him back. He's the only starter among six unrestricted free agents -- a list that includes Josh Bullocks, Cato June, Darrell McClover, Adrian Peterson and Pisa Tinoisamoa.
Strong-side linebacker Nick Roach will be a restricted free agent. Defensive end Mark Anderson, nickel back Danieal Manning and reserve linebacker Jamar Williams, members of the 2006 draft class, will be unrestricted if there is an extension of the collective-bargaining agreement before March. If not, they'll be restricted free agents heading into an uncapped year, and that will give the Bears the chance to control their rights.
From a defensive standpoint, we saw that Rod Marinelli seemingly made an impact at the beginning of the season with the pass rush, but in the latter weeks of the season has become ineffective. Is this a byproduct of the lack of talent on the DL?
Perhaps Marinelli just needs a full year under his belt before seeing the kind of improvements we hoped for, but we certainly have some personnel issues regardless.
As far as the linebackers go, seeing Urlacher, Pisa, and Briggs go down certainly hurt us, but having Jamar and Nick step up has been a good thing.
Looking at Biggs' information, who do you think would be expendable, and who should we bring back?
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I never realized....
….that he looks like the Rock’s chubby brother before.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Hm
I’d say cut Pisa. I liked what I saw from him, but he dropped in both games he played. That’s not a good sign. Sure, it could just be bad luck (like Kevin Jones had) but I’d rather put a younger guy in the spot and develop him.
About Knee Ligament Injuries
I have a similar injury now (MCL) and my guess is that Pisa tore his PCL and his meniscus and either LCL or MCL Either they put him in before he was physically ready, or they didn’t properly diagnose and treat his injuries.I would be fine with keeping Pisa, provided his knee fully heals, but ligament issues can become chronic when they are not properly treated.
they can all go bye-bye
as far as i’m concerned. i’m real sick of the adawale show.
As is...
I’d like it if we brought back Pisa, Williams, Roach and Manning. Possibly Anderson and McClover. Our lineup next year (barring a ton of ifs) could look something like the following:
Offense:
QB: Cutler, Hanie
RB: Forte, Free-Agent, Bell, Wolfe
FB: McKie
OT: Williams, Draft Pick, Omiyale
OG: Garza, Free-Agent
C: Kruetz, Beekman
TE: Olsen, Clark, Davis
WR: Free-Agent, Bennett, Hester, Knox, Davis
*Trade Iglesias for what you can get and DA is gone with a big-time receiver coming in.
Defense
DT: Gilbert, Izzy, Harrison, Adams
DE: Adams, Brown, Melton, Anderson
LB: Urlacher, Briggs, Pisa, Williams, Roach, Shaw
CB: Tillman, Bowman, Moore, Graham, Draft Pick
S: Free-Agent, Afalava, Payne, Manning
*Trade Harris for a second round pick and try to get a decent RT.
Special Teams:
Gould, Maynard, Mannelly
And four new Free-Agents could help shore up some of our deficiencies. Some ideas that have been floated around that I like are Brandon Marshall, of course. Logan Mankins or Chris Kuper, Chester Taylor and Oshiomogho Atogwe. I’d love to get a shut down corner and Beast DE as well, but this is already asking way too much.
That’s 48 players, if my math was correct. There would be room to fill in a couple other positions: Backup QB, maybe. OL depth, possibly. DL depth, most likely.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Yikes.
Your defensive ends don’t inspire much confidence. I like Alex Brown a lot, but Anderson’s a bust, and Adams and Melton are total unknowns. I think Ogunleye is more than a luxury re-signing.
Everything else looks pretty viable, except Tommie Harris fetching a second round draft pick. I’d like to see Beekman get some starts at center, too, with Kreutz clearly in the twilight of his career.
I know,
it still has a ton of holes. I also know that this is more than one could expect. First off, a WR should be a luxury signing (if at all) for us this upcoming season. Our focus NEEDS to be on upgrading our offensive line. We should also work on fixing our line on the other side of the ball.
That’s why I’d wanna see Adams and Gilbert on the field two weeks ago. Evaluating the players you have in game now, while the outcome matters little. Who knows, it could work out really well for us. Probably not, but it could.
Wale, while a nice guy it seems, is a goner in my opinion. He’s getting up there in age and hasn’t been consistent enough through the years to merit an extension. He’s played alright this year, but it’s not the first contract year he’s done that in.
There could possibly be a team that would give up a second rounder for Harris. Hell, we just gave a second rounder for Gaines Adams and Harris has done more in his career. The second round pick we gave up for Adams is part of the reason I think Ogun will be sporting a different jersey next season.
And I don’t disagree with you about Beekman, I just don’t see this staff putting Kruetz on the shelf. He’s meant too much to this organization for too long.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Hell, we just gave a second rounder for Gaines Adams
Yes, but we’re hopelessly optimistic and/or stupid…..
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
I'm still gonna remain optimistic on Adams.
Even though he didn’t perform as a fourth overall pick should in TB, this kid’s has to have something to have been chosen that high < Insert random nfl bust joke here >.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Izzy is fb remember
but seriously, we should keep Harris since he seems to be improving and we may want to wait and see
Atogwe
originally joined the Rams in 05 on a three year rookie deal. Then was franchised last year. I’m assuming that if the new CBA isn’t reached, he’ll be a restricted FA and possibly/probably tagged again. Marshall, Mankins and Kuper would also all be restricted in that scenario.
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By the way, looking up different notes on players took me to this:
On February 19, 2009 the Raiders re-signed Asomugha to a complex three-year deal that makes him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history. The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid “quarterbacks” or $16.875 million, whichever is higher. If the Raiders fail to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent with Oakland not having the ability to tag him again.
Wow. Just wow.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Yikes.
Your defensive ends don’t inspire much confidence. I like Alex Brown a lot, but Anderson’s a bust, and Adams and Melton are total unknowns. I think Ogunleye is more than a luxury re-signing.
Everything else looks pretty viable, except Tommie Harris fetching a second round draft pick. I’d like to see Beekman get some starts at center, too, with Kreutz clearly in the twilight of his career.
I would bring back Pisa, Roach, Manning, and Anderson.
I would say bye bye to following players Kruetz, Ogunleye, Hillenmeyer, Bullocks, Iglesias (Pretty much have the same player in Bennett), Peterson or Wolfe, Vasher. I would try to trade Harris for a 2nd or 3rd round pick if possible.
Why is everyone so down on Iglesias?
We have no idea what he has yet. Look at Bennett, the Bears didn’t give him a shot last year either and he looks pretty good. He would have no trade value at this point anyway, so why get rid of him?
plus we know that our current staff
cannot develop offensive talent, so the guy may turn out to be amazing. not with this staff of course.. but anyway..
by GtM on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
clean house....
DE Adewale Ogunleye-trade away/release…
DE Mark Anderson-trade away/release
DB Danieal Manning-keeper/shown potential on special teams and a decent backup
LB Jamar Williams-backup but trade away could be decent
LB Pisa Tinoisamoa-release…what a waste of hope
LB Nick Roach—decent backup
Josh Bullocks-backup potential
Cato June-dont know much about him
Darrell McClover-ehhhhh haven’t seen much from this guy/release
Adrian Peterson-been around for ages, maybe trade value but Jones has yet to be healthy and unless they decide to give wolfe the ball probably should keep him around..then of course there is the new rookie Bell
Harris-TRADE
Kruetz-keep for leadership but draft a potential replacement
Vasher- man such a let down…maybe make him a safety or something or just trade him
-really like Roach and Williams to stay because they have stepped up in the place of our starters but there are reasons why they weren’t the starters to begin with
-lets face it the defense needs an overhaul……
-offense wow
-offensive line needs improvement, should revamp the entire line system…maybe even a new OL coach
-WRs…Bennett (starter), Armoushadu (should get some playing time), Knox (starter)…Hester (ehhhh back to special teams maybe, lol i think Knox has better potential)…Davis (old guy could be traded) Iglesias needs some playing time as well
-Olsen (starter) Davis (starter) Clark (trade)
-RB Forte, Bell, Wolfe……Jones(trade but sad..showed such potential before injury) Peterson (vet, trade because of lack of space)
QB-Cutler, Hanie…..maybe another rookie or vet…im always up for bringing Grossman back to chicago, haha i know i know but as a backup..he always played better as a backup and he knows our system…he is going to be a free agent unless Texans resign him…(he’ll be cheap)
really think bears need to attack free agency this year in players and coachs
I know my list isn't the ShamWow.
but there are so many issues with what you posted above. To name a few:
• Ogun, Anderson, Peterson cannot be traded, they will be free-agents.
• Trade away Jamar Williams, why? What would you get for him that would bring more or evem close to equal the value he gives us?
• Josh Bullocks – LMFAO, are you serious?
• Cato June – you seriously don’t know this guy? LMGTFY
My least favorite part of that is “During the 2006–07 NFL playoffs, he helped the Colts win Super Bowl XLI.”
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Agree, agree, agree, agree
You forgot this:
im always up for bringing Grossman back to chicago
rec’d
Grossman?
No no no. Basanez on our practice squad is a much better QB than Mr. Grossman (his 5.6 passer rating was impressive, wasn’t it.)
Almost as impressive
as the 36 feet in passing the Bears had in the 2nd half Sunday. Our “franchise QB” threw for an amazing 432 inches. Grossman might be an upgrade.
Hey Rocko
I thought you had a boner for Kyle Orton. Where did this love for Sexy Rexy come from? And no, completing 3 of 9 with 1 INT 1 fumble and 33 yards is not impressive, and certainly less impressive than Cutler’s numbers, even in the second half.
Cutler's just a
bigger version of Grossman. I don’t like Cutler and never liked Grossman. I’m willing to bet that you believed Rex was a great QB a couple years ago. Try watching football when you’re sober Bass. You’ve been soooooo wrong over the past several months about everything related to Bears football. You would make a great assistant to Jerry Angelo.
Well, you can always buy a Broncos Orton jersey and go to their fansite, if you haven’t already.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
That's where rocko spends the majority of his time.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
I don't know about that...
but I’d definitely say he’s got Broncos bed sheets and Orton pillowcases.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
You set a great example
with the personal attacks Dana. I guess there’s nothing left in the arsenal. You have been sooooo wrong for sooooo long about the Bears. I can see that the " Peter Principle" works very well at WCG.
Personal attacks? No way dude.
You want to traipse around WCG constantly bashing on the team, specifically Cutler, for months at a time, while all the while claiming to be a Bears fan? Then spend more time at MHR lauding the Broncos, and all that they do right?
And you think it’s a personal attack when you get called out on it? Get over yourself dude.
Oh, and I’ve been so wrong about the Bears for so long? Wtf are you talking about? That’s funny coming from a guy who just two or three weeks ago didn’t know Brian Urlacher was not in the starting line up.
And since you have perpetuated this, I’ll go ahead and deal with you the way we dealt with the other Broncos fans constantly trolling WGC with their constant garbage: If your only contributions to this blog are going to be centered around Anti-Cutler/ Anti-Bears, you probably should just stay on over at MHR.
You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.
by Dane Noble on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're wrong
As I’ve stated in the past, I’m a long time Bears fan(and like the Broncos), who believes that the franchise is lost. There much to be critical about.
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