Rex Grossman Will Always Have A Special Place In The Heart Of This Bear Fan
by Haightminow on Feb 26, 2009 12:42 PM CST
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PrintI am probably of the minority when it comes to how I feel about Rex Grossman. Call me crazy but I love Rex Grossman. He will always hold a very special place in my heart.
There was just something about the way he quarterbacked the Bears that was something we hadn't had in Chicago for quite some time. In the beginning he was confident and poised and brought a swagger back to the Bears that we were missing since the days of Jim McMahon. Unfortunately injuries plagued him his first few years and maybe things would have been different if he wasn't injured so often. Maybe he would have been able to solidify himself as the undisputed leader of the Chicago Bears or maybe Bad Rex would have reared it's ugly head and brought about his ultimate demise years ago.
Last year during the off season I was corresponding with my nephew, a faithful Chicago Bear fan, by mail because we were in different parts of the country at the time. I wrote to him telling him what I thought about the quarter back situation and how confident I felt with having both Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton and how my faith in Rex was would never waiver. And I said, if we let Rex go I am afraid that it will be a very big mistake. The decision to let him go may come back and haunt us one day. I said, this guy has the goods, he is a winner and he is going to get better I just wish we would continue to allow him to go through the process that most young quarter backs do.
Well Kyle Orton gets the nod and rightfully so. However at the time I thought we were making a mistake. When we lost to Carolina and Tampa Bay I was screaming for Rex to return, my argument, Kyle can't throw the deep ball. Well we win a few games and I am feeling a little better about Kyle until the second game against the Lions when Dan Orlovsky was shredding our defense. Orton gets hurt and here comes my man, my hero, this is destiny, my quarter back is back! Rex leads us to a victory.
But what would happen next would seal Rex Grossmans fate. The game against the Titans was the final verdict. He started the game on fire leading the Bears to a TD and then....well, that was it, it was over. Rex humiliated me. I had guaranteed a victory and a stellar performance from Rex. This was his time to shine to seize the moment. It was incredible, the worst performance I had ever seen. Over throw, under throw, panicking, out of control. What happened to my quarter back? But that was it for me. My nephew asked me, "What happened to your boy?" And I told him, Rex Grossman will always have a very special place in my heart. Just like so many other Chicago Bears who I have grown to love over the years, But I never want Rex Grossman to ever take another snap as a Chicago Bear ever again. I said, he is done, I guarantee it. If Kyle can't go next week against Green Bay, it will be Caleb Hanie. There is no way Lovie Smith will put Rex back out there.
Alright, enough is enough. Listen, say what you want about Rex, but this guy did some very special things for the Bears. 2006 was an incredible year. Rex was fearless, pounding opposing defenses into submission, the good Rex. And then there was bad Rex. But I was right along with Lovie, Rex is my QB! Period. I was so confident for the Super Bowl, I said this is destiny, we wont be denied, we can't possibly be beat. Rex grossman, the Gator, young kid, 24 years old(I think), Quarter Back of the Chicago Bears in the Super Bowl! Imagine the how he must have felt. What he had dreamed of since childhood had become a reality.
Alright thats it, Rex Grossman, I love you and i wish you all the best. That is untill you play the Bears. Then I wish nothing but pain and misery.
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Thats Your Quaterback...don't say that about your quarterback....
That’s You, btw. if you didn’t get that already, haha.
by Sam Householder on Feb 26, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions
That's perfect!
I actually used to say that all the time when I talked about Rex, still do.
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by Haightminow on Feb 27, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well Written
And well said. I agree with you.
BTW: The Bears lost SB 41 because of the DEFENSE (or lack thereof), not cause of Rex.
can we say...
… the Bears lost the game on BOTH sides of the ball?
It most definitely wasn’t just Rex’s fault.
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 26, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
It wasn’t all Rex’s fault, but it wasn’t all on the D, either.
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SB 41
The Bears were “out physicalled” by the supposed finesse team.
Sandwiched in between Hester’s opening TD kickoff and Grossman’s 1st quarter TD pass
to Muhammad was Daniael Manning’s “lost in space” play where he left Reggie Wayne WIDE open for 6 points (PAT was missed). Take out that bonehead play by D. Manning and the Bears probably are ahead 14-0. No team in the previous 40 SB’s has ever come back to win after being down by 14 points to win the game.
Does that mean the Bears would definitely have won? No. However, Indy would have had to stage an historic comeback to win.
Peyton Manning basically threw two long passes that game. His first (which was an INT) and the broken play to Wayne.
The rest of the game Indy ran the ball and Manning threw short (like five yard passes) to control the game.
The Bears tackled terribly and might have thought about adjusting their game plan at SOME point. If a team is “nickel and diming” you to death, you might want to force them to beat you deep.
I’m not a big “stat” guy but Grossman had a higher completion % than Manning, one more INT than Manning (they both had one TD pass) and, if you take away Danieal Manning’s bonehead play, close to the same yardage thrown as Peyton.
Did Rex struggle in late in the game? Absolutely. If the Bears had played better defense, that might not/ should not have mattered. He played well enough early on for them to win.
That was my assessment watching the game and watching the replays.
Mike Golic, of “Mike and Mike” was the first person to basically blame the defense (as I did).
The “Monsters of the Midway” were out physicalled by the dome playing, finesse passing team.
I’m certainly not saying that Grossman is blameless; he’s not. Still, to me, that loss was far more on the defense’s shoulders than on Rex.
Devin Hester and Rex Grossman combined in the 1st quarter to give the Bears what should have been a 14 point lead. The defense severely underperformed in the game, IMHO.
I have to jump in here (although I will probably regret it)...
We would have lost to the Colts 19 out of 20 times. That entire season, we had really lucky bounces and great breaks.
The Colts were the Colts. They were spectacular on offense… and regardless of how good we were, we would have had to have been perfect and lucky on defense to beat them.
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Respectfully
I disagree (surprise). That 19 out of 20 is meaningless. It’s one game. Nobody thought the Giants would beat the Pats, but they did.
The Colts struggled into the playoffs (worst regular season rushing defense) but got Bob Sanders back and played well in the playoffs.
So did the Bears. Obviously, no doubt, the Colts had an edge at QB. That’s a given.
The Colts might have been spectacular on offense before, but not in that game.
Mentally, Manning (and Moore) called a great game. Physically, however, it was all runs and real, real short passes. That’s not my idea of a spectactular offense.
We didn’t have to be perfect. It sure would have helped, however, if D. Manning had known if the Bears were playing man or zone.
I was glad when I heard Golic (who knows a thing or two about football) confirm my viewpoint (about the defense).
Looking back at that post season, Grossman played three games. He played very well in the Seattle game, the NO game, and definitely in the first half of the SB.
The vaunted Bears defense were manhandled by the Colts O-Line.
They were a defense dependent on takeaways. In that week six famous game agiast Arizona, rookie Matt Leinart, making only his second start, was shredding the Bears defense early in the game. The Bears won because of Hester’s TD and two fumble recovery’s.
The defense let the Bears down in SB 41.
Starting to see a pattern here...
Nobody thought the Giants would beat the Pats, but they did.
Really?
The defense let the Bears down in SB 41.
Agreed. So did Rex.
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Right
Grossman played a good first half and struggled in the second.
The Bears defense struggled basically the whole game.
There’s enough blame to go around.
That said (and I’m sure you’ll HAVE to agree here), nobody was expecting Grossman to play like Montana in the SB.
Conversely, NOBODY was expecting knowledgable people to say things like the Colts offense “out physicalled” the Bears defense. And that’s what happened and that’s what some people were smart enough to point out.
While everyone was blaming Grossman (who was an easy target due to his streaky play that year) some people saw the defense as MORE of a problem than the offense.
That’s what happened, that’s what (correctly) was stated by some people after-the-fact and I’m pretty sure that that’s what NO Bears fan thought would happen before kickoff.
I’m pretty sure (and be honest here) that if someone had said before the game started that Hester would open the game with a TD and that Grossman would throw a TD for 14 first quarter points, that the Bears would be in GREAT shape.
They were, until the Colts offense manhandled them.
huh?
Then what makes someone an “expert?”
Mike Golic played in the NFL…
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 26, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
And I do not believe
that just someone played in the NFL, they are automatically an expert on football. I don’t think that their opinions and insights don’t matter, but just because they played doesn’t mean their opinions will always be correct.
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You're right
He’s not infallible. That said, it’s the truth. Look at the game again.
BTW: It’s not like only me and Golic said this. Others too.
How else do you expliain Manning and the Colts winning a game in a very “un-Manning like” way.
This was no ariel circus by any stretch of the imagination. It was the Colts controlling the Bears in the running game and with short (almost run-like) passes ala the WCO.
You watched the game. What were people expecting before kickoff? Manning deep to Harrison, Wayne and Clark mixed in with some running plays.
That’s exactly what didn’t happened. They pounded the Bears defense with runs and short passes. They almost never went long (except when D. Manning didn’t know the coverage).
That mixed in with the Bears problems making tackles and there’s the game.
I agree, Geo...
The Colts outplayed us through and through…
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huh?
Who said that their opinions would always be correct? No one said that.
If Mike Golic doesn’t qualify as an expect on football, I would be curious to see how you define the qualifications of such an expert.
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 26, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if you can call Golic an expert
but he is more qualified to speak about it than I am.
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Very true...
But to say, “my opinion is correct, because mike golic thinks so too” is asinine.
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umm...
… where did GeoMak say that?
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 26, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm on FA coverage now...
Look back on the thread if you want to stick your nose in it. You always pop up in different places to argue… but never really do you say too much…
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this is ...
… what GeoMak said:
I was glad when I heard Golic (who knows a thing or two about football) confirm my viewpoint (about the defense).
Simply question: Can you point out somewhere else where he said "my opinion is correct, because mike golic thinks so too?"
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 27, 2009 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
and...
You always pop up in different places to argue… but never really do you say too much…
Why do you all get so defensive when you get corrected, or called out, on something you say?
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 27, 2009 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get defensive.
The part of my comment you highlighted is my opinion of what is a large portion of what you contribute to this site. Sometimes, you actually provide good, logical points of view and opinions. More often, you jump from thread to thread with your negativity, and point out how everybody is wrong about what they say.
I have learned over the last few months that you seem to carry a chip on your shoulder, usually only stopping by to point out how people are wrong. That’s fine… you are free to contribute your opinions as much as anyone else. But I will not, beyond this point, engage anymore.
I have more interest in following free agency, doing research for my articles, and interacting with members who actually have productive discussions and arguments going on.
I have nothing personal against you, as you seem to have with a few people who visit this website, so I will not engage in any flamewars with you, or respond to any trolling you may do in your reply to me. Let’s just try to move on, and get back to being productive for this website.
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huh?
I have nothing personal against you, as you seem to have with a few people who visit this website
Huh? I don’t have personal issues with anyone around here. There are a few that clearly have personal issues with me, and they all happen to be front page writers. And who also happen to resort to personal attacks when I disagree with what they are saying. It must be something in the WCG front-page water or something.
FWIW… you made a comment about GeoMak saying something that, from what I can tell, GeoMak never said. I called you on it, and instead of showing me where GeoMak said that, you decided to personally attack me because I had the nerve to call you on something.
Further… it is quite ironic that someone who was attacking GeoMak for being wrong, and doing so by making things up, is then telling me that I just go around and tell people that they are wrong.
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by big_lowitzki on Mar 1, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And...
… once again, a simple question that you don’t seem able to answer:
Can you point out where GeoMak said “my opinion is correct, because mike golic thinks so too?”
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Are you serious?
this was like three-four days ago!
Let it go dude. let it go.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 1, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
hmm...
this was like three-four days ago!
Hmm… it was “like three-four days ago,” then maybe you can explain why GeauxBears responded to me yesterday.
So maybe you should be telling him to “let it go.”
But I guess consistency might be a little too much to expect.
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still waiting...
… for that GeoMak quote that said, “my opinion is correct, because mike golic thinks so too?”
Hell… I would settle for something that even implied that.
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 27, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Ifyouwanna
I know the picture was meant to be a joke, but come on. You know that can’t be up.
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Aw MAN!
My bad dude
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by ifuwannacrownem on Feb 26, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Tis all good.
Just don’t let it get personal between other bloggers. I’ve done it before, so I’m not preaching here. Just want everyone to have an enjoyable experience.
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RE: Golic
Come on GeauxBears, you’re smarter than this. Mike Golic never spent five minutes of his life studying journalism. He did, however, spend a decade playing on the defensive line.
His assessment (beyond the usual Grossman stuff) was that, in his expert opinion (having actually played on the line, unlike almost EVERYBODY else in America making a public or private comment on the game) the Bears defense was pretty much manhandled by the smaller Colts O-Line.
Beyond that, he basically laid the blame for the loss more of that defense than on the easy target (Grossman & the offense).
There are more problems with this statement than I care to spend time with...
His assessment (beyond the usual Grossman stuff) was that, in his expert opinion (having actually played on the line, unlike almost EVERYBODY else in America making a public or private comment on the game) the Bears defense was pretty much manhandled by the smaller Colts O-Line.
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Name ONE!
It’s really getting funny now. He’s one of the FEW commentators on ESPN and elsewhere that actually played on the line. And he’s not credible?
But all the Grossman bashers are?
Huh!
191 YARDS Rushing
After checking that stats, that’s how much the Bears gave up. Go through the annals of Pro Football (preseason, regular season, playoff, SB).
I’m willing to bet that the odds of winning a game when you give up almost 200 yards rushing are razor thin.
And that was Grossman’s fault?
Ok, that's fine
It’s both the defense and Rex’s fault.
I really can’t think of a dumber thing to argue about.
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It goes to perception - where's the outrage.
The “perception” of the 2006 Bears was that the defense was great and hold your breath regarding Grossman.
Fact is the defense killed them that game.
That said, where’s the outrage over D. Manning? Coaches always say that they can live with physical mistakes but not the mental mistakes. There’s no bigger mental mistake (in the SB no less) than not knowing the proper coverage . . . (just to prove he’s consistent, Manning did thr EXACT same thing against Andre’ Johnson in the last game this season).
Where’s the outrage over Manning? I’ve heard tons over Grossman but almost nothing about Manning.
While most “fans” are quick to blame Grossman in the SB, they are a lot more hesitant to ALSO put the blame squarely where it belongs; On the defensive players and coaches.
My God
Where’s the outrage over Manning? I’ve heard tons over Grossman but almost nothing about Manning.
Then you haven’t either been with us that long or you don’t fully read posts. We’re still pissed and make fun of that.
I realize this is a lost argument on you, so I’m going to stop meow.
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Dude
Don’t get “uppity” OK.
I simply complimented Haightminow on his column and pointed out that, due to all the Rex bashing (some justified, some not) IMHO the defense, not Grossman, was the PRIMARY cause of the loss in SB 41.
Almost 200 yards rushing given up pretty much ends that debate. Beyond that, only five other teams in SB history put up 14 first quarter points. The 2006 Bears scored more first quarter points than the 85 Bears.
Listen close here (for relevance): Grossman became an easy “whipping boy” for many fans and media members. And the problem with tha is that it SOMETIME obscured other legitimate factors for the Bears losing.
Why blame the coaches or the defense or other factors when we can just lay the blame on Rex.
Now, you either understand that point or not.
OMG
Dude, focus:
It’s not all on the defense, it’s not all on Rex, it’s not all on the coaches. It’s a team game, and the entire team and coaches lost it for us.
Just as you say we can “easily” blame Rex, we can just as “easily” blame the defense.
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So, in response to both of you...
And I am being as objective here as possible… regardless of who to blame it on… we got waxed in the SB by a largely superior team.
Even Mike Golic would tell you that we lost that game.
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GeauxBears
The Colts weren’t a “Largely Superior Team.”
The Bears had the best KR pretty much in the history of the NFL and a better defense. The Colts had an edge at QB.
Were the Colts the “better team” going in? Yes.
Largely Superior? No way.
And after the Bears put up 14 first quarter points, if their vaunted defense had played like a real defense, the Bears would have won the game.
But There's where you're WRONG!
The common perception is that REX lost the game. OK.
When stories are written about SB 41 they almost always start and end with Grossman.
Few (if any) really mention the defense or coaching.
That’s why, when Golic made his comments the day after, they stuck out like a sore thumb.
Everybody was blistering Rex on Monday morning. I’m sure you may have even heard some of that yourself.
And yeah, while people were blistering Rex, they showed those same three or four hightlights OVER and OVER again (fumbled snaps, INT’s).
I think, if you were being HONEST, that even YOU would agree that nationally (and even regionally) Rex received the Lion’s share of the blame for the loss. The defense and the coaching and D. Manning were pretty much relagated to the fine print.
Now that’’s a fact (although I’m sure you’ll dispute even this)!
Grossman threw a 4th
quarter INT that was returned for a TD. The coaches didn’t throw that INT. The defense didn’t throw that INT.
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No S**T
We all know that! Nobody is saying that Grossman didn’t make mistakes.
After being staked 14 first quarter points, if the Bears defense had played near to the level they had played during the rest of the year, they win that game.
I don’t know how many other times D. Manning made an idiotic play in the regular season like he did in the SB.
I don’t know how many other times the Bears gave up almost 200 yards rushing in the regular season like they did in the SB.
I seem to remember the Bears
jumping out to an early lead in the SB…
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Wow
Clearly you’re having issues reading, so I’ll make this very clear:
Please present a linear argument. I wasn’t talking about what everyone else said. I’m telling you why they lost. We were not talking about public perception prior to this post. I was stating my perception. Again, just so we’re clear, I could care less what every “expert” thinks about the game or who got the majority of national whipping.
The Bears lost as a team. Every unit failed in some aspect, including coaches.
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Same difference
You continue to miss the point. I’ll try for the LAST time.
You’re right. You win or lose as a team. That said, almost all of the blame went to . . . drum roll please . . . REX GROSSMAN!
See the problem there?
The fact is this: having been staked to 14 first quarter points, defensive problems (D. Manning, almost 200 yards rushing, coaches unable or unwilling to adjust to Peyton’s “dink & dunk” offense, shoddy tackling), were MORE responsible for the Bears loss than Grossman’s problem’s in the 3rd quarter and beyond.
What did HOF QB Peyton Manning do in SB 41? His first pass was intercepted. He soon thereafter hit a wide open Reggie Wayne (it doesn’t get any easier than that) and he then spent the entire rest of the game handing off and literally throwing five yard passes to wide open RB’s and TE’s and WR’s.
Rex Grossman should have had it that easy!
Here is what you are missing.
This was your earlier comment:
It wasn’t all Rex’s fault, but it wasn’t all on the D, either.
Of course, it’s not all anybody’s fault. That’s obvious.
You are missing this part. There’s are reason why no team has ever won the game after being down 14 points. That’s because the game “evolves.”
What happens in the first quarter often affects the game going forward.
If D. Manning doesn’t make his stupid play, the Bears likely are up 14-0. When a team is down by 14 they often (not always) get out of their game plan and start pressing. They might start to run less and try to pass more as they feel pressured by being down by 14 points.
While certainly not insurmountable, 14 points is a lot of points, especially in a game like the SB, where most teams play somewhat conservatively (in order to avoid the big mistakes).
In 1993 Buddy Ryan was the DC of the Oilers and Joe Montana was the QB of the Chiefs. KC went to Houston for a playoff game.
The Chiefs won 28 -20. If you watched the game however, it told a different story. Buddy’s defense constantly put the Oilers offense in great field position, only to watch the “chuck and duck, I mean run and shoot” offense, squander that field position.
Buddy’s defense did more than enough to win. Eventually, however, Montana will get to you. The Oiler offense lost that game, far less so the defense.
In 1984 the Bears went to SF and lost the NFC Championship game 23-0. Without Jim McMahon, the Bears offense was impotent.
Yeah, you can criticize Buddy’s defense there. But again, (like against the Chiefs) the offense has to pull it’s weight, especially against a great QB like Montana.
With the lead the Bears gave their defense in SB 41, if the defense plays like they were capable of (as shown most of 2006) the Bears win that game. It never should have come down to the Bears trailing late in the game.
And...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2754613
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Exactly
Thank you. You just made my point. Not a word about D. Manning. Not a word about being shredded for almost 200 rushing yards.
It’s all Grossman, all the time.
FTFA:
“Yes the Bears’ defense could have covered and tackled better, but overall it played courageously, often bending but not breaking despite being on the field for a backbreaking 81 plays and 38:04. Anyway, everyone knew to begin with the Bears’ defense wasn’t that great.”
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They played
Pretty much like S**T. They were on the field for 81/38:04 because they couldn’t STOP anyone.
You have it bass ackwards.
Fact missed
The Bears defense played poorly for sure, but at the same time they kept their team in the game by not giving up TDs. It’s also true that Rexy had ample opportunities to put the Bears in the lead throughout the entire 2nd half, but never could muster a single TD drive with excellent field position. Why not? Cause he continued to throw down the field into double-coverage or fumbling the snap repeatedly. The Colts D knew he couldn’t resist “gunslinging,” instead of doing the right thing by dumping it off to his RBs/TEs and sustaining a long drive (alla Manning). Whatever, it doesn’t matter anyways!
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RE: Fact missed
They gave up a gift TD in the first quarter thanks to D. Manning.
That’s a huge play. Biggest play of the game. Take that out, and the Colts would have had to have staged an historic comeback to win.
or fumbling the snap repeatedly (you said). See, that’s exactly the problem (perception). He fumbled twice (and only lost one).
That’s hardly “repeatedly.”
There’s no excusing Grossman. He played poorly in the second half.
That said, as we all know, football is a game won in the trenches and the “soft” Colt O-Line pretty much dominated the Bears defense.
That was where the game was lost.
Regardless
of how many of his fumbles were lost, it is a wasted play that netted negative yards.
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And more importantly it killed potential (winning) scoring drives
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what sealed their fate
was when they decided to shut the running game down. big mistake. let’ not forget we did’t have tommie harris.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Feb 26, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I like to blame it on the coaches
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I have always liked Rex
I hope he succeeds wherever he goes, as long as he doesn’t go to Detroit or Minnesota. With good weapons and a good offensive system, I think he will do well and we will all be sitting back thinking where the Bears went wrong.
Grossman on the Lions: “They’re not as bad as their record, you know?”
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I fart in the general direction of Rex Grossman
Six freakin’ years of this organization living in denial over yet another failure of the Steve Spurrier School of NFL Ready Quarterbacks. Any other well run organization would have cut bait on Grossman three years ago.
Yep
I was a stauch supporter of Grossman until he failed miserably in the SB. The damage was already done, and JA/Lovie decided to bring him back. What an awful decision that was.
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I'll miss Rex somewhat
Even if the majority disagrees.
After all, he is 12th on our illustrious list of quarterbacks in both passing yards and passing TDs. (And 17th in INTs, before anyone mentions it)
Easily the 2nd favorite quarterback I’ve been able to watch on this team (after Jim Harbaugh).
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Nah
Never once had the inkling that Erik Kramer could be “The Guy”.
Also, he never had the like-ability factor inherent in being nicknamed “The Sex Cannon”… to my knowledge.
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Lol
EK is our only Pro Bowl QB since Sunglasses… but you are right… he never stuck with too many folks. (maybe it was the lack-of-nickname-coolness!)
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IMHO
Rex Grossman was the most overly criticized athlete in the history of Chicago Sports. I don’t believe he should had taken the heat he’s taken since being on this team. he came back from injuries to lead this team, he was well respected in the locker room, he never caused any trouble. and really, was he a worse QB than Cade McNown?
If you ask me i think the reason behind it is Bears fans were frustrated with crappy QB play. know that Story when Eagles Fans Booed Santa Claus Because they were pissed about the Eagles being a crappy team for so many years? I think Rex was our Santa Claus.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
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by ifuwannacrownem on Feb 26, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions
His numbers from 2006, and 2007...
G C A Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rat
2006 16 262 480 54.6 3193 6.7 23 20 73.9
2007 8 122 225 54.2 1411 6.3 4 7 66.4
20 INTs the year we went to the Super Bowl. 2006 was also the only season he played 16 games. 2007 was his 2nd highest number of games played, with 8. 2003-2005, he played in 3, 3, and 2 games respectively.
No one has said, that I’ve seen, in this thread that he was worse than CMcN. But, I definitely think he has earned his fair share of criticisms. I forgot to look up his fumbles. Meh, it doesn’t matter anyhow.
I liked The Dragon, I rooted for him when he had the chance. The thing is, he came from a collegiate system that was completely different than the NFL system he entered. It would have taken several years (healthy years) for him to learn. Unfortunately, we ran out of years for him.
Things will get better as they improve...
I Mentioned McNown
because i don’t recall him being heckled as bad as Grossman.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Feb 26, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
A whopping 19 fumbles (10 lost) in 31 games started.
Combine that with 35 Ints and a career 70.9 passer rating= crap on a stick.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
worst bear ever
if not for him we win the super bowl. We started the game with a 7-0 lead. as time has shown Orton should have been starting that game. Putting the blame on the D (which was awesome that year) totally undermines the effect poor qb play has on the performance of the D. the fumbles lost and the INTs just can’t happen at any level of football.
maybe if he ever learns the intricacies of the center qb exchange he will be a serviceable backup for somebody. but that is an enormous maybe if
Center QB exchange
I don’t know if you can blame that on Rex. Orton showed an inability to handle the snap at times making me think that maybe Kruetz is partially to blame.
Come on, Rex did not lose the Super Bowl. The team in general aside from Hester and T Jones didn’t play very well. Coaches got outcoached and players got outplayed. To blame that loss solely on Rex isn’t justifiable.
kyle orton...
… has a career QB rating of 71.1
He also has had 27 ints. He averages 31.88 attempts per int. Rex averaged 27.5 attempts/int. Orton has also lost 10 fumbles.
Basically, if Grossman is “crap on a stick,” then so is Orton.
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 27, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
one crap on a stick (orton)...
… beat out another crap on a stick (grossman) when finally given a fair chance to compete. if only there had been fair competition from that start we would have had the better qb playing all along (ie in the Super Bowl) instead of just now.
apples to oranges
Rex had a younger, better offensive line, much better WR corp, a potent tandum at RB, and the defense/ST that were dominant (best field position by far in ‘06). Kyle has had less of an opportunity to succeed, with far less talent in basically his first year starting. I don’t count his rookie year because they didn’t allow him to do anything of substance within the offense.
I think Griese should’ve played in the 2nd half of the SB, not Orton.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
When it comes to the Super Bowl and Rex Grossman....
my opinion is this: Rex Grossman is the quarter back, the leader of the team, the one that everyone is supposed to look at when the team needs a spark. When the Colts offensive line began to take control of the game and our defense was sucking wind Rex Grossman was the one that the Bears needed to counter attack when we had the ball.
Now as far as the Colts being the superior team, this is true. From the front office management, to the coaches and to the players the Colts were a finely tuned and oiled machine. When the going got tough the Colts got tougher. They took complete control of the game in the second half particularly on the line of scrimmage on both side of the ball. Their o-line and d-line were better conditioned and prepared to do battle for a full sixty minutes.
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I don't buy that
The Bears just missed way too many tackles.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
You don't have to buy it....
I’m not trying to sell it. It is the truth. There are not many people who would disagree. And considering your take on playing Griese instead of Grossman in the second half of the SB you have a very distorted image of the game of football.
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How can you play any worse than Rex in the 2nd?
One TD scoring drive was needed to win, that’s it. Yeah, I have a distorted image of football because I think Grossman sucks.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
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