Ted Phillips believes....do you?
I realize this isn't an incredibly flashy story, but it's Sunday and I wanted to take a break from paper writing.
Ted Phillips backs Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith:
Phillips pointed out the Bears have won 40 games over the last four years. Only five teams — the Patriots, Colts, Chargers, Steelers and Giants — have won more.Only one of the teams, the Giants, plays in the Bears' conference. The Dallas Cowboys also have won 40 games.
"I'm a big believer in continuity," he said. "When you have that, you have people who are on the same page philosophically. They understand the kind of players needed to be successful."
Continuity is my new catch phrase for the Chicago Bears. Continuity means that we will continue to underperform defensively and offensively. Continuity also means the fullback dive, lack of wide receivers, and Lovie's lack of emotions will exist when the Bears take the field in 2009. Oh, and continuity also means we will continue to draft poorly.
Continuity is great when an organization is performing at a high level. The problem with the Bears is the Super Bowl run in 2006 is starting to bite us in the keister; everyone from Phillips to Ruben Brown remind us that we made it a few years ago. I haven't heard Jim Hendry going around saying the Cubs are only 101 years removed from the World Series. Mainly because the past, in terms of coaches and management, is largely irrelevant. It's a "what have you done for me lately" crowd they have to deal with, and the fact remains that Lovie hasn't done much since the SB.
Ron Rivera, where art thou?
/endrant
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If we only had a real QB
We’d have won many more games…
A real top notch QB can hide a lot of crappola… and make everyone else look good.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
Can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic
Regardless, a good QB would have struggled with our WR’s this year. A QB can’t catch balls for WR’s too.
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Yeah Look at Brady in 2006
No receivers. They lost the AFC Championship game because of it. All those dropped passes in the second half while the Colts were coming back. Then they went in the offseason and got Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Washington and Stallworth. And the rest as they say…
by Sam Householder on Feb 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
yea...
… getting the AFC Championship game is struggling. Kind of…
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Yes but...
They could have made the SB and mostly the defense and Brady got them that far. Take a team without a top tier defense and QB like the Bears and add in no receivers and you won’t even make the post season. The Vikes made the playoffs largely based on AP, Berrian and a good defense. Carolina only got so far with its D and two headed running attack. Steve Smith was the only one able to get them on the score board.
by Sam Householder on Feb 9, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I believe.
We have to understand that there are 32 teams in the NFL. All of which have the most elite and competitive athletes in the world. We were in the Super Bowl 2 years ago, a great feat. We are trying to build a Super Bowl winner. I believe Lovie Smith is the builder of our Super Bowl winner. We have to stay the course. For now. We can’t just fire everyone every time we have a bad year. It takes time to build this team that Lovie envisions. Forget about Ron Rivera already, it’s been over 2 years! Oh, and you know continuity all to well don’t you? You will continue to dwell over Ron Rivera forever won’t you? Not me, I’ve moved on, I believe!
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Glass is half full?
Anyone can point out the failed draft picks, and FA pickups, but how about giving some credit when its due? This organization was an absolute disaster when Angelo took over as GM in ‘01. They hadn’t been to the playoffs since ‘94 (Wanny’s second year), and couldn’t send a player to the Pro-bowl in four straight years. Give JA credit for drafting guys like Briggs, A. Brown, Harris, Tillman, Hester, Manning, Olsen, Anderson, Vasher, Orton, and even Berrian to an extent (Should’ve franchised him). Last year’s draft may turn out to a very good crop for JA when it’s all said and done. Forte is already proven himself big-time, I’m confident Williams will this year, Harrison showed flashes of big-play ability, Bennett will get a chance to get over his rookie year, and finally Davis, Steltz, and Bowman all contributed well last season. Other acquisitions like Whale, Tait, Hillenmeyer, Muhmammed, Gould, R. Brown, St. Clair, and Ayanbedejo all helped fill holes en route to the SB appearance. Not bad for a team that had a mid-to-late 90’s from hell. I wouldn’t say he’s drafted poorly at all.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
I'm confused
You can point out the good draft picks but I can’t point out the bad?
The same guy who drafted all those players also drafted Cedric Benson, Red Grossman, Dan Bazuin, Michael Okwo, Mark Bradley, Michael Haynes, etc. etc. I could go on and on, but so could you. I will hold off on proclaiming the last draft class as extraordinary until they get three years under their belt.
Yes, I agree that Angelo’s done some good, but I’m also a big believer of “Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then.” I still believe that he has drafted fairly poorly, but I suppose we can agree to disagree there.
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if...
you area going to point the bad, you should also point out the good.
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you take the good
you take the bad, you take them both, then you have the facts of life, the facts of life. :)
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lmao
Thank you, moderator.
Anyone can point out the failed draft picks, and FA pickups, but how about giving some credit when its due? This organization was an absolute disaster when Angelo took over as GM in ‘01. They hadn’t been to the playoffs since ‘94 (Wanny’s second year), and couldn’t send a player to the Pro-bowl in four straight years. Give JA credit for drafting guys like Briggs, A. Brown, Harris, Tillman, Hester, Manning, Olsen, Anderson, Vasher, Orton, and even Berrian to an extent (Should’ve franchised him). Last year’s draft may turn out to a very good crop for JA when it’s all said and done. Forte is already proven himself big-time, I’m confident Williams will this year, Harrison showed flashes of big-play ability, Bennett will get a chance to get over his rookie year, and finally Davis, Steltz, and Bowman all contributed well last season. Other acquisitions like Whale, Tait, Hillenmeyer, Muhmammed, Gould, R. Brown, St. Clair, and Ayanbedejo all helped fill holes en route to the SB appearance. Not bad for a team that had a mid-to-late 90’s from hell. I wouldn’t say he’s drafted poorly at all.(courtesy of propheteer; italics mine)
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Not sure....
… what your point is. And not sure how I was acting like a moderator there.
propheteer DID point out the good. He also should point out the bad. It is foolish for anyone to look at the drafting history of a GM and only look at the good (or bad) that they did.
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The bad is naturally assumed
My point is that JA had done more good than bad. Remember, the Bear won 9 games last year and were 3 plays away of having 12. Not too bad for having a “bad” year.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Point taken
My intention was to show that the Bears have come a long way since he’s been GM. Certainly those guys were reaches, but you can say that about any team in the NFL. Drafting is an inexact science with no guarantees. I guess Angelo must be really luck and all; he managed to assemble a team that went to only its second SB in forty years.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
I realize that
It’s tough to be a good drafter; the one thing Angelo dominates at is finding good defensive talent from the 4th round on (Briggs, C. Harris, Anderson, etc.). That list may grow with Zachary Bowman and Trumaine McBride.
Mostly, my frustration with Angelo stems in his insistence to solidify the QB position this offseason when past offseasons have needed it more. I tossed in the draft thing at the end. Consider this a retraction of that statement.
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if...
… the QB position needed to be solidified in previous seasons, wouldn’t it be the same this season, being that essentially the same quarterbacks are around, minus Grossman?
Orton has been around for several years at this point… if the QB position needed to be solidified in previous years when he AND Grossman were both around, wouldn’t it still need to be solidified when just Orton was around?
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 9, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
You also assume
I mean that I’m talking about the Orton – Grossman debate. I’m talking about before Grossman came aboard.
My point: QB is the least of our problems at this point. We have other pressing needs to take care of.
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Okay...
… well you implied that this was the first off-season that the Bears didn’t need to solidify the QB position.
Further, Angelo only had one draft before Rex, so I am not sure about what seasons you are referring to before Grossman came aboard.
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by big_lowitzki on Feb 10, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Certainly
Don’t forget Graham too. I think with Hester, Olsen, Forte, hopefully Williams and Bennett will follow in a recent trend for the positive on offense. Who knows what JA will do at QB? I don’t think he even knows what he’ll do.
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Angelo
has done better than most GMs when it comes to drafting defensive players in the middle rounds.
He also, however, done worse than just about anyone drafting in the first round or drafting offensive players anywhere.
You can point to the guys he’s found (I wouldn’t really include Manning among the great finds), but he has undone much of that with his inability to put together a serviceable offense or to admit fault with bad picks and replace them. Yes, we went to the Super Bowl. But we lost. And a big reason we lost is Angelo refused to fill some obvious holes.
And his handling of the roster since the Super Bowl has been downright bad. The Thomas Jones trade killed the locker room (and the offense), and for whatever reason every defensive player he extended stopped playing. We are years behind because of his/Lovie’s concern for Grossman’s feelings and not bringing in any insurance/replacement.
He fills holes, but usually not until a year or two after they are obvious to the casual fan, and by then more holes have opened up and we continue to be mediocre.
Angelo is a great defensive scout who is over his head in his current position.
DEJESUS!!!
This Stems From Angelo
Not having the testicular fortitude to put Lovie and his cronies in his place. In Halas Hall, the warden doesn’t run the asylum, the nurses do.
I hate to say this because as my sig points out I don't like Angelo either
But he hasn’t been terrible at drafting. Here is the Bears draft history. Not counting 2008 or 2001 (Because that is when Jauron still had final say on all roster moves) Angelo has drafted decently. There is at least 4 players from each draft still playing on a team in the NFL. Although that does not take into account that some were let go and turns out they are decent players (Mike Gandy and Marc Columbo) or that some are in fact head cases not worthy of being on our team but have since found “productive” homes elsewhere (Tank Johnson and Ced Ben)
So you can’t say he’s a terrible drafter.
Don’t get me wrong though he should still get the axe. But he isn’t as terrible as I thought. He just needs to do two things better: Evaluate talent on the roster (Gage, Wade, the aforementioned Gandy and Columbo) so as to not let good players go for nothing and two pony up during FA instead of saying “We won’t overpay..blah blah” which is code for “I am going to lock up players who may or may not have shown all their potential (Vasher) and cheap out on getting dec replacements in FA”
If continuity is important
Than why did the Lions fire Millen?
They were the most consistent performers in the league for the last 8 years, playing at a level their fans could expect to see year after year.
I love this guy… they Bears consistently play just above average in a weak division (the Lions twice a year, baby!), so we should be proud.
If we had won
the superbowl in 06 I could see how we could keep brining it up and say yeah we were good look what we did. But we didn’t so I don’t want to hear about it anymore. I remember winning 13 games a few years ago just to lose to the Panthers in the first round. I’m sure we all remember that. I’m not sold on the way things are going up at Halas Hall, and I really don’t care what Ted Phillips thinks. If were happy that we’ve won 40 games like some other teams have, some of them have lombardi trophies and we don’t and for the life of me I can’t figure out how the organization is ok with just being close once. We haven’t won it all since 85!!!!! I can’t be the only one who knows this….
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The good far outweighs the bad.
Jerry Angelo has drafted pretty damn good. Even some of the so called bad picks that have been pointed out weren’t that bad. We got some damn good play out of Grossman including some excitement on the field that we hadn’t had in years. Mark Bradley was a good pick unfortunately he got hurt ultimately leading to his release. I will never understand how some of you think Angelo is so terrible. The biggest strike I have against Angelo is Bernard Berrian but even that, when you look at the money the Vikings gave him for a young receiver who had one good year? I didn’t think he was worth that much money. Gm’s have to make money decisions, what were we supposed to do? match the Vikings offer? Good decision on Angelo’s part or bad? Were on our way back to the Super Bowl, these things don’t happen over night.
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