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Are the Bears a cheap organization?

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Free agency started last month. I certainly remembered how excited I was for it...GeauxBears and I were on GoogleTalk until the early morning hours to see if we'd make a trade. We had/still have so many holes on the team. The offensive line was a disaster, our WR corps is a mess, both safety positions are virtual black holes. It seems as though Jerry and Co. were hibernating through free agency, with our only two signings coming in the form of Frank Omiyale and Josh Bullocks. Prior to free agency, I wrote this post and was promptly blasted by some of you for my opinion. Unfortunately, Jerry’s quote turned out to be a glimpse of what was to come.

Why do I rehash bad memories? Well, for starters, our offensive line could be in worse shape than last year: John St. Clair is currently in Cleveland and was extended an offer by the Browns. Even though he's a mediocre lineman at best, his loss would be devastating to a line that is below-average at best. Second, we haven’t even gotten around to thinking about a wide receiver yet. And last but certainly not least, we added a player who possesses some horrific pass coverage skills. We have managed to get worse instead of better. I’m not saying the Bears can’t turn it around with an excellent draft. As of late, hope is scarce among those who support the Bears.

But I digress....

Star-divide

I’ve noticed a disturbing trend around here recently, and I actually got caught up in it myself: The Bears are cheap. It’s been said every which way since the start of free agency. Is that really true?

WCG wrote a post last July about that very subject. Two things immediately popped into my head:

1) The fact that Rashied Davis got a 3-year deal worth almost six million dollars is enough to cause a stroke.

2) The Bears are not cheap.

Before I start explaining what I believe, I realize that the total number won’t be the total amount paid by the Bears. But, it does give you a realistic glimpse of how the Bears operate: Draft guys, “develop” them, and give them their big paydays.

The Bears, as an organization, are not cheap. I’m glad we handle our money this way instead of toss it around like it was Monopoly money (yes, I’m looking at you, Redskins and Raiders). The Redskins pay outrageous amounts of money to players, and how many championships in the past five years do they have to show for it? Zero. The same as the Bears.

Do we go out and make the biggest free agent splashes? No, not by a long shot. Are we usually even big players in free agency? No, not usually. Jerry Angelo is a draft guy; that’s just how he operates, so it makes sense that we sometimes overpay for our own players. Could we and should we do more during free agency? The overwhelming consensus around here is yes. But the Bears, as an organization, are not cheap.

I’ll leave you with one parting thought: Do you think that maybe, just maybe, Jerry’s got all that money saved up because he’s planning something big for the draft? In my usually cynical way, I believe that’s not even close to true. But, the possibility is out there. I suppose we’ll find out on draft day.

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by big do you mean

trade for Boldin, give big contract
trade for Cutler, give big contract
draft best OL in draft?

No chance.

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by Adam T on Mar 17, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be big

so of course it’d never happen.

big for jerry & the bears is what: trading down in the draft for another 3rd rounder? or something? thats likely to happen.

and getting value out of the later rounds is something i really like of Angelo’s. Finding quality talent to fit our system isn’t easy but he does it pretty consistantly.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

As much as it pains me to say it you can’t argue against it. Larry Meyer has been saying it for months on the Bears official site too. We reward our own before dipping into the open market. Is that right or wrong? Who is to say? I am glad the Bears don’t give huge contract to aging vets who most likely will be declining and cause a big cap hit down the road.

That being said I still think that JA needs to negotiate more and go make some moves. Dealing for Boldin or Cutler is not overpaying for guys who are aging. That is talent that is in or on the brink of their prime. That is not a bad thing.

by GallopingGhost on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely agree with the last part

Should he be a player in free agency more often, especially now that we have so many holes to fill? For sure. Especially if St. Clair signs with Cleveland, our OL will be hurting.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope St. Clair signs with Cleveland.

We don’t need him in our starting lineup, and will only make a stronger case for drafting an OLineman in the first round.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but

we need a lot of OL help. We have warm bodies, but they’re not necessarily the best.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point.

Get rid of “warm-bodied” St. Clair for starters.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's also my point

If he can hold down the position for a year, I want him to. Because we need a WR with either the 1st or 2nd round pick….picking OL with both would be counterproductive.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't want OL in both rounds.

Never said that. OL, then WR.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we're one injury on the OL away from disaster anyways

So sign St. Clair and let him be a band-aid in case anyone gets injured.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the amount he wants??

Might as well sign a back-up FA and pay him back-up money…

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine

Frankly, Jerry was an idiot for not re-signing him earlier.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too useful....

Not to resign

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he was.

And now we are at a point where we “need” to bring him back. Paying him starting money “in case” we need him to play. What a shame.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Jerry should have taken care of this last year, but that’s what he got.

Now we’re left with a piss-poor line. Kudos, JA. You make me want to strangle you.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are there any left?

Lineman that is

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a few… here.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah right...

You want George Foster?

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are plenty of back-ups on that list.

And they would all be cheaper than paying St. Clair to sit.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say Wr in the first,

and Loadholt/Robinson in the second

But Ill settle with anything that makes us better

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The WR talent at 18 will be better than the OL talent at 18. Trading down would probably be a wise decision, but Heyward Bey has a chance to be great.

"I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it."

by Acreman20 on Mar 17, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not that interested

in Heyward Bey. I think that Nicks will be better, not as fast but big and sure handed runs routes well.

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't like Nicks at all

Until I started looking up videos and stats from him. I wouldn’t be mad at all if we trade down and end up getting him and another pick. I just think the closer the draft gets, the more people will be talking about HB and put pressure on JA to get him.

"I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it."

by Acreman20 on Mar 17, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But HB

some say, is the next version of Troy Williamson. Something to ponder.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But doesn’t every receiver have the chance to be the next troy williamson? I know he has similarities but he also has similarities with Michael Irvin and Randy Moss (Moss was selected #18). The guy was basically unused or used improperly in a bad offense and still got noticed. Plus, I think the thing that sold me on DHB is that together with Hester, would there be a faster receiving duo in the league. I can’t think of one. That has to be a good thing.

by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Mar 17, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss went at #21. But not that much difference.

But he fell that low only because of his off the field shenanigans.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is true

that we go into over-drive with “rewarding” our own. But, I have to believe that while building through the draft is the best way to build a foundation, a successful team has to be able to make moves in Free Agency as well. We may very well hit a couple of homeruns in the draft this season… but that is only 1 phase of building a good roster.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One point...

I really think it is best to reward your own, they have the right idea here. They implemented absolutely horribly at times. The outright refusal to let some of the younger players see the field, no matter how good they look in practice/preseason absolutely drives me crazy. There is no way McKie has been our best option. Bennett/Rideau/various practice squad wr here all should have seen playing time over the past two years with the horrible state of our WR.

Reward your own, but for the love of Da Bears reward first with playing time, and then with cash.

by Sklz711 on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

St Clair

signed with Cleveland for 3 yrs, 9 mil with only 600k guaranteed. move on to plan C.

And heck yes the Bears are cheap. Are you kidding?

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats it?

Why could we not beat that offer?

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link?

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twitter count?
cst_bearsSun-Times reports St. Clair has signed a 3-year deal with the Browns. http://tinyurl.com/c49wls25 minutes ago from web

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooops

i suck at copy/paste apparently

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/st_clair_bolts_for_browns.html

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 17, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fanpost?

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not yet.

That’s front page.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 17, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

I can’t believe we didn’t resign him. It’s like Jerry learns his lesson too late about over paying your own players and then refuses to do it for a guy the team is in dire need of at the moment. And cutting the Ohio State kid from last year? I have avoided actually calling out J.A., I just ridicule him in jest, but the handling and lack of vision with the o-line is the largest debacle in his tenure. Case and point, losing John St. Clair is what put me over. John St. Clair!!! How can I be this disappointed we lost John St. Clair? Yes this is even worse than Benson, at least he drafted Forte. So now we have to rely on J.A. to find another quality rookie starter. Great, and I really didn’t want to use 18 for a right tackle but now we almost have to.

by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Mar 17, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually launched into a tirade at GB over Googletalk

I have no idea what the obscenity count was at, but it had to be up there.

I’m glad Angelo didn’t mess around with the money JSC got from Cleveland. That said, this should have been taken care of last offseason, when Jerry did nothing. I’m pissed we lost him, but glad that Jerry didn’t pony up 9 mil for an expensive band-aid. He was versatile, but not for 9 million dollars.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 17, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do we go from here?

That’s really my biggest concern. I guess I’m not going to miss St. Clair. and I am glad we didn’t over pay him but are we even gonna use that money? Are any of the rt out there worth there asking price or an improvement on the field? I just don’t see Jerry’s plan at all right now.

by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Mar 17, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaffer is one

of the last options… And no first rounders are RTs. Still want Nicks then Loadholt. Although I hate Oklahoma, he’s the best RT out there.

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 17, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some possibilities

Tyson Clabo, started every game last yr for ATL. Willie Colon, started every game last two years for PIT. Kevin Shaffer, last 5 years he’s started 16 games 3 times and 15 twice. Kwame Harris, has been disappointing the last two years but he’s a big body. All four of these guys are under 30 and would be BIG upgrades over who we currently have at tackle.

"I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it."

by Acreman20 on Mar 17, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The McCaskeys have put the brakes on the payroll

Why? Well, they’ve always been cheap. But this offseason the issue has really magnified itself. The only thing I can think of is that with Virginia McCaskey likely to pass away within the next couple of years there may be brewing financial crisis with the ownership succession plans. Maybe some of the McCaskey clan are demanding that they be able to cash out the ownership stake in the team they will inherit and the other family members who want to keep the team feel they have no way to come up with the dough to payout their siblings?!?!?

by BLou on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Maybe...

They’re doing what many other corporations in the country are doing right now, using the economy as an excuse (whether they’re actually hurt by it or not) to really cinch up the purse strings and keep as much money as possible in their wallets. This off-season has “Mike McCaskey” written all over it.

by waywest on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depressing analysis

from nfpost.com:

NFC NORTH QUESTIONS BEFORE THE DRAFT

 

      CHICAGO

            

1. Who will be the Bears’ quarterback and back-up? Why is it that when you talk about "Da Bears," you always ask the same question?

 

2. Who will be the right tackle, or the left tackle? Can the Bears improve their line and gain four yards or more on first down? Last year, they were the worst team on first down to gain four or more yards.

 

3. Will the Bears find a wideout who can lead them in receptions? Last season, their tight end and running back were their leaders. The Bears were 26th in the NFL in passing.

 

4. Can they find a pass rush? The Bears’ defensive line needs a huge upgrade; they want to win games with their defensive line, but they can’t dominate the line play.

 

5. The Bears finished 31st in the NFL in allowing pass plays over 10 yards and under 20 yards, an indication of a lack of team speed and coverage. How will they improve in this area?

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Offense

I am sick of the bears not making moves and waiting for miracles. All I ever hear is is the organization talking about the potential that some of the players have and those players never break above the average mark, and you gotta know who I am talking about. They should keep Orton at back up and pick up Cutler, or at least go for Bolden and get some good guys for the o line. They are going to have to spend money to fix the problems. Get Cutler or draft a QB, and please pick up Bolden. Bolden, Hester, and Olsen sounds like a formitable threat with Cutler thowing the ball if he has some blocking. Bolden and Hester will Compliment each other nicely, they can both draw double coverage which will open up the offense and create more opportunities for the receivers and the running backs, and it will help the QB. If the Bears can afford to beef up the o line and get Bolden and Cutler I think we will see a dramatic increase in the offensive production.

by Sick n tired on Mar 17, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sums it up

I read this from the tribune post from dave m and it pretty much sums up how i feel about the McCaskeys:

“This is great, because it removes any and all legitimacy to the notion that the Bears aren’t cheap since they award their own with generous extensions. St. Clair did as good of a job as could be expected the past two+ seasons, and we now have no tackles with even ONE start in the NFL. The only reason the Bears didn’t re-sign the guy is because they are owned by the miserly, penny-pinching, shamefully CHEAP McCaskey family, the Ebenezer Scrooge of the NFL. The fact of the matter is the Bears have a gaping hole on their line, and St. Clair was not only best for the Bears, he was among the cheapest tackles on the market. But that was good enough for the McScrooges. Now we have an undrafted Division II practice squad player (Montana’s Cody Balogh) penciled in at starter. The McCaskeys reward their intensely loyal and devoted fans, those who feed their hard-earned dollars into the McCaskeys’ ever-growing coffers, with pure garbage. Can NFL owners be disciplined by the league for not reinvesting in the franchise? Can the people of Chicago organize a coup and seize ownership of their team? Because until there are changes at the very top, frustration and disappointment will be the fate of Bears fans everywhere. Now, just wait for the Vikings to get Cutler for Sage Rosenfels and a 2nd-rounder.”

P.S I also have a problem with Reinsdorf owning the Bulls. If you say that 1 White Soxs world series win means more than 6 Bulls NBA championships you shoulden’ have the privilege of owning the team.

by Bears-Bullsfan on Mar 17, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YUP!

"Git the pitchforks Merl! we’re goin’ to town!!!

by waywest on Mar 17, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheap? Sure.

But what we really are is risk-averse. For all the great Bears tradition, the culture of the post-Jerry Vanisi franchise always seems to cycle back to penny-parsing sanctimony and self-satisfied mismanagement.

We were in a good spot three years ago, but things change. Those young promising players are now mid-career and older guys on the downward slope. And who have we added since? Locking up a few defensive stars clearly isn’t the brilliant move the Bears keep contending it is. Our defense hasn’t even qualified as statistically mediocre for the past two years.

Let’s judge them on effectiveness, not motive or philosophy. And that verdict is obvious: The Bears prefer safely mediocre to taking a risk on success.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just a thought on possible website feature

… maybe a tracker of how far under the salary cap the Bears are… maybe with comparisons/rankings with the rest of the league and the NFC North

by No It All on Mar 18, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's actually a great idea.

It would undoubtedly bring on more sadness though…

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 18, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Let’s not depress the masses any more than necessary.

If things came easy, then everybody would be great at what they did, let's face it.
Mike Ditka
Catch Phrase of the day: YAAAAAAAY! <---- Courtesy of ChiFan13.

by Ditkavsworld on Mar 18, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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