Is Jerry Angelo Right?

As fans it is our perogative and almost duty to call out management and coaches, because nobody else will. To that though, we have to all accept that we've never had to put our names on the line and give 100 million to one guy and hope he is the savior of the team.
I thought this would be a good time to go through some of the popular talking points of this topic. I am sure I will miss a few and maybe their are more examples that emphasize a point and some that negate others. My intention is not to pick a side, just throw out the possibility that maybe we are viewing the team through homer colored glasses and not givinng credit where credit is due.
The basis for this post came from this article.
1) The Bears Are Cheap
We've dealt with this one a few times (here and here). I feel safe in saying that the Bears aren't cheap. It is just a matter of where they choose to allocate their funds. In prior years the majority is used to keep players already on the team.
"The money is going to be spent," Angelo said. "We aren't saving anything for a rainy day. But we want to spend wisely, not foolishly."
That leads us to our next point.
2) The Bears Refuse To Be Players In Free Agency
This topic is a bit misleading. I think it is often easy to confuse the off season with Free Agency. The most ink I've spilled this year has been on Anquan Boldin and as of late Jay Cutler. Neither are free agents, so they cannot be used in that arguement. Neither was Matt Cassel a free agent.
The best example to use here is TJ Houshmandzadeh. Many lambasted the Bears for not going after this guy. Some argued Angelo should be fired for not even looking at this guy. Truth be told, are we sure he didn't. The Bears didn't re-sign Bernard Berrian last year, becuase the price he commanded the Bears deemed to steep. We let him go and used that money to sign Lance Briggs. I'd say that worked out for us. Briggs was possibly the only Bears you can say had a stellar year. So does TJ fit the same category? Seattle gave TJ what equates to 8 million a year. Is a guy who until recently worked with one of the best QBs in the league, never been a true #1 and is now 32 worth that much? Would he have improved our receiving corp and thus our offense? Absolutley. But would he have been the lynch pin of a Super Bowl run or instead could he have been the biggest factor that hampered us from making needed moves in the future? The Bears might have had him on their radar, but once they saw the market price, decided not to pursue further.
3) The Market Is Bad This Year
Angelo called this class of free agents "the worst I can remember."
It is a fair arguement. The number one receiver available this year had questions. After that we started talking about guys like Plaxico Burress and TO who bring so much baggage their contract should include a sky cap. Once we looked past them we took a big dip to guys like Devery Henderson and Bryant Johnson. Again, not that they wouldn't have improved us, but would they have been the difference?
The article says the Bears weren't alone.
Other teams that took a similar approach to free agency were the Cardinals, Chargers, Chiefs, Colts, Falcons, Packers, Panthers, Steelers, Vikings and 49ers.
You can look at this statement in a number of ways. Firstly, teams like Pittsburgh, Colts and Chargers already have some of the most talent laden rosters in league. Pitt and Indy are two of the most successful, did they need to make a spalsh? San Diego is loaded and barely got in, do they need to go out and load up on more high priced talent? The Cardnials have so much internal strife and so many of their own guys they have to deal with, staying out of the market might have been the best thing they could have done. The Panthers had two of the most coveted players who could have hit the market in Jordan Gross and Julius Peppers. They kept Gross and are still looking like they are the best option for Peppers. Getting those two in uniforms is not standing still and is definitley not a lack of spending. The Chiefs may not have made a FA splash, but they did land Cassel through a trade. Solidifying your QB spot can never be considered not spending or not making an impact.
4) Do Big Free Agent Signings Equal Success?
They easy answer is to look at the Washington Redskins. They have thrown money at any available player they can find. They care not about age, off field issues, character issues or miscellaneous baggage. Skins owner Danieal Snyder purchased the team in 1999. Since then the Redskins combined win-loss record is 76 and 84. The Bears win-loss record in that time is 80 and 80. In that time the Skins have been to the playoffs twice, the Bears have been three times including one Super Bowl. The Bears have 2 13-3 seasons and one 11 win season. The Skins have never gone over 10 wins. So clearly signing the best available players to the most money isn't the key to success.
5) Is Angelo At Fault For the Off Season As a Whole?
This is the crux of this arguement. As stated above the two most endorsed players on this site that Bears fans have argued for are Jay Cutler and Anquan Boldin.
Angelo in his post season remarks said the QB spot is the most important position and needs to be stablized. He backed those words up by signing a guy none of us knew. Meanwhile, Jay Cutler wants out of Denver in the worst way and from all accounts wants to play in Chicago and despite the fact that Cutler would be the best QB the Bears have ever had on board in the last 25 or 25+ years, the Bears don't appear interested. Now maybe the reports out of Denver are correct and they aren't listening to trade talks. That however would be an indictment of Denver. As a GM it is your job to listen to all trade talk. You don't have to act, but at least listen. I still refuse to believe that if somebody came through with a quality off and allow them to finally wash their hands of this situation that they would not listen.
In those same remarks, Angelo also said that receivers are interchangeable and not all that important. Maybe so, but that only holds true if your QB is good enough to get the ball to any scrub you throw out there. Is he suggesting that if Orton had had a reliable and above average receiver last season his numbers would have been the same? I hardly think so. The Bears are seriously considering a wide receiver this year. If you are contemplating taking a reciever at #1, aren't you contradicting the previous statement? If reciever isn't that important, you don't waste a #1 on them. To that point if you are going to bring in a receiver from the draft you are taking a shot in the dark that he pans out. Meanwhile you have Anquan Boldin, a guy who also wants off of his current team. Boldin is a proven and established receiver. Some would argue that he has never been a true #1 and benefitted from Fitzgerald. Maybe he has, but he still towers above anybody we currently carry. Are you sure enough about Heyward-Bey or Nicks that you can say without a doubt that they are going to be better than Boldin? I'm not.
So there you have it. At least as far as what I had floating in my head. Now let me have it. Again, I'm not specifically taking a side, though it is obvious I am a fan of the idea of going after either Boldin or Cutler or both.
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I have to disagree with 4
It’s easy to look at the redskins and say big free agent signings doesn’t work. but it’s also easy to overlook teams like (in order of historic relevance)
1.Packers
2.Cowboys and Niners
3.Raiders
4.Patriots
5.Bears
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant chronological order
Mulligan.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 18, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
The crap out of that one
Great post!
I don’t think he’s made terrible decisions but niether has he made great ones.
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by scespy12 on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol... I wrecked it to...
And, once I get a couple of free hours to finish reading it, I’ll try to chime in…
Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!
by Dane Noble on Mar 18, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What else works?
Trades Trades Trades
1. Rams (Faulk)
2. Steelers (Bettis)
3. Eagles (T.O.)
4 Cowboys- in this case they traded Hercshel Walker to the vikes to build their superbowl dynasty
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 18, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I honestly feel pretty similar about Jerry Angelo. Everybody wants to make the big splash but spending money wisely every season is a discipline. One thing I really like about Angelo is the way he puts a value on a player and then sticks to it. I don’t always agree with the value, but if you got get two big FA this year and over pay and they don’t pan out then it makes next year more difficult and the year after even worse.
Also, as far as trades go, a lot of times we assume that we didn’t go after someone and just lose out because a team wanted too much. We don’t hear about all trade inquiries. I think that if we did, we be shocked about the ideas that float around. Assuming we know is a bad assumption.
Some decisions I disagree with though are as follows:
- Alan Feneca last year would have really improved our line, still pick Williams and Forte and the line would have been much improved. Our interior line was horrible, and Forte still looked good. He needs a guard with some good run blocking.
- Not franchising Berrian. A lot of people knocked me on it, but one more year to get the position right could have really helped us. We wouldn’t be asking so many what if’s about Orton this year if he had Berrian, Hester, & Olsen to throw to. I also think we win one more game with him, make the playoffs, probably win the division.
- Not signing St. Clair – the guy wanted to stay. 3 million is not a lot for a starting OL no matter who thinks that is too much. Rookies are getting 6-7 million a year in the first round. Most lineman make 3-6 milliion if they are anything. Now we are desparate in the draft for a tackle when we could have developed a guy. We may even miss out on picking a WR in the first round because OL is so important now. Also we will be forced to start 2 rookies and this unknown guy. Yuck.
- Resigning Lloyd – We need someone with athletic catching ability and a known talent to stay on the team. He is cheap. Yeah he had an injury thing he could have played through, but 8-12 games of him would be worth that cash.
- Trading away Chris Harris – he is better than Payne and Steltz bar far. He is a great hitter and tackler. We just needed find a guy who could cover to pair him with. Now we have two safety positions to think about.
- Releasing Bradley – He never got a second chance after injury. The guy looked good to me and not to the Bears. I’m still baffled.
Moves I like:
- Signing and resigning Kevin Jones. We took a flyer on him last year and didn’t see much, but the potential is even greater this year. We all know what he can do and has done. For the low cost of this signing and a backup role is well worth it.
- Releasing Bazine and Okwo – that was the beginning of not holding on to draft picks anymore. Admit your mistakes and move on and give someone else a chance to make you look good.
- Drafting Williams and Forte 1 & 2. Now we don’t know for sure on Williams, but I have hope there. Forte was a steal and a great move.
- Drafting Harrison in the third. That guy had a very decent rookie year. I think he will stay out of trouble. He comes from a spiritual family and just wasn’t living right at the time. He seems to have changed his heart and grown up some and is back in the faith. Hopefully he stays.
- Get Anthony Adams. We grabbed him for a steal of a price and even as a backup he is quality. Great value signing from SF.
- Drafting Hester and Manning really for special teams first and hopefully defense second. Toub is the man, but Angelo has been the architect. I think he has been a big reason for our special teams by drafting and signing FA’s for special teams like Ayenbedejo.
- Not signing Orton to a long term contract mid season – that would have been a waste of money. Now we can see more out of him or possibly be in the Cutler sweepstakes, although I’m not holding my breath.
- A lot of these moves seem small, but a bunch of small good moves put you in position. We’re still well under the cap and Briggs, Harris, Urlacher, A Brown, Peanut, and Vasher are locked up. We just need to fill in lots of wholes.
Hopefully Steltz and Harrision will be payoff picks. We still don’t know much about Bowman although he is be moved to safety. Yikes, but if it works, that would be a lucky move and a joyous occasion. He is tall and fast and hopefully can help in coverage. We’ll see.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Mar 18, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit dude
you might as well just wrote a counter post. LOL!
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I know
I thought about it, but it really goes with this post so I left it.
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by #23 on Mar 18, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should post that as a blog.
Maybe name it plus and minuses. +/-
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Mar 18, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The off season basically just began.
We still have a long way to go so to say that Angelo is at fault for the off season is way premature. At fault for what? Not spending 100 million dollars? I think Angelo is being wise in his approach. We are going to have a better picture of where we need to address our areas of need once we get a look at what were working with in mini camp.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 18, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True, and the draft will tell us a lot as well.
Last year I was mad at not getting Mendenhall, but was pleasantly surprised with the draft.
- Williams projectted as a quality starting OT – we’ll see this year
- Forte looked like a steal in the second and was one of our best recent picks
- Bennet and Harrison looked like starting potential. Harrison has already shown promise, it’s too early to say on Bennet, but we’ll probably find out a lot this year with him.
- Steltz looked like a possible future starting safety. That is yet to be determined and may now be a long shot.
- Bowman also has a lot of potential but could be a long shot as well.
I realize potential is the key word with that draft, but to see 4 out of 6 become solid starters would have been a very successful draft.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Mar 18, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post makes a lot of good points
JA does fine for what management lets him do. He drafts well (especially in the later rounds) and does a good job of resigning our guys…. but I wish he ask for more leeway to make the occassional splashy signing. This year between the economy and the weak FA class I can understand, but that doesn’t get him a pass for all the other times he could/should have.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are rebuilding
They just do not want to admit it…
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by 815Sox on Mar 18, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Until we get decent WRs we will not do anything…. Hester is a possible number 3 if he improves but thats about it
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by 815Sox on Mar 18, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your high
We need a WR, true. But Hester is no joke. A possible #3? if he improves? Your smokin’ the good sh1t. Hey, what’s your favorite stoner food? Mine is hot buffalo wings and chili cheese dogs.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 18, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2 based on last year.
If he adds another 25-30 catches, 400 yards, and 2 TDs then he has to be mentioned as a #1.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Mar 18, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
He was a solid #2 last year…considering he was just learning the position… and considering he was a part of our offense, which is headed up by Fire Ron Turner. After developing another season, both mentally and physically, and with better production from our OL, and if Neck is able to stay healthy, then Hester might be able to become a #1 (maybe in 2 years might be more realistic).
what they you use lame AOL speak
by Dane Noble on Mar 18, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so that explains everything, huh height?
The lettuce has clouded your judgement of this team.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 18, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
phfffft ...
Hi-larious … Hester is indeed a solid #2. I didn’t like the idea of him being a receiver at first, but he has moments that make him a threat. As his route running improves, he’ll be dangerous. The only knock I really have on him is I think he’s afraid of getting rocked, which leads to him bailing on plays.
Good post WCG
by junkhorse on Mar 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually haven't smoked any icky in almost two years now.
Not by my choice however. But back in the day before I turned to coffee in the morning I would wake and bake and enter into a realm unseen by many. It was there where George Halas spoke to me and I discovered the true meaning of the Chicago Bears and my purpose as a Chicago Bear myself. See, my judgment of this team is not clouded but clear. Thine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Bears.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit lying. you know you drink that green tea in the morning
and by green tea, i mean GREEN tea.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 19, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish, man I'm telling you, it has been rough.
The greenery and myself were once one, in body, mind and spirit. Unfortunately because of certain circumstances I had to give up the chronic for the time being. A wise man once said, “If you love something let it go, and if it comes back to you than it is meant to be.” It is my hope that we will be together once again.
Believe me, there is no shame in my game, I love smoking weed. But sometimes in life we have to give things up that we enjoy in order to be successful in following our dreams. Many people come to a place in life where the choice needs to be made to either stay where they are or to go forward, I choose to go forward. But see, those who choose to stay high might just stay stuck right where their at forever. But if they would sacrifice now, they could enjoy the best of both worlds once the work is done.
Perfect example, Rashaan Salaam. Said he was hooked on weed, couldn’t stop. If he would have just snapped out of it for a while he could be retired right now, a Hall of Fame career, stoned to his hearts content and who could tell him anything?
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 19, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
But it’s good that you quit weed. It could had eventually led you to trying other things. Believe me, I’ve been there, it’s not pretty.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 19, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post WCG
I hope JA is right about Bennett, and can manage to draft a decent WR. If all WRs are indeed interchangeable, then it will be put to the test this season. He’d better add at least two offensive linemen to give Orton a realistic chance of solidifying the QB position.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Mar 18, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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