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Ron Turner's "West Coast" Offense

 I thought that since I mostly have done defenses I'd throw this one to ya'll.

And....

The offense that the Bears use is a derivative of the old style Walsh offense, the "West Coast". The West Coast is an offense that instead of the old style of "running will open passing lanes," utilizing a short and intermediate passing game to open up running lanes.

The old style used runs to open up vertical passing lanes whereas the West Coast uses horizontal passes to open up vertical running lanes.

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 Enough of the West Coast....let's take a look at Turner’s offense:

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The general formation uses five linemen and a TE on the line of scrimmage, along with two WR's with a fullback and a halfback. The major variation of Turner’s offense is that it incorporates a power running style into the short range passes.

Lineman:

The lineman must be athletic pass protectors. They are not the bruisers that they used to be, but more a stickum type of protector. The running lanes that are opened are mostly draws and pitches; they will almost always use the same types of blocks as short passes do.

TE:

The TE is vital to the success of the modern West Coast offense. They are a safety valve and draw linebackers off the short throwing lanes. They are agile and sure-handed, although they are required to be successful chip blockers and able to seal off the edge on pitches.

Fullback:

This is what irks me most in Turner’s offense. In the old West Coast, the fullback was an agile receiver out of the back field. In Turner's offense he must not only be an agile receiver, but also a bruising blocker and a short yardage back. This conglomeration of player is not only hypothetical but absolutely does not exist.

Halfback:

The halfback in this system is an essential cog in the whole offense. The halfback must be an outstanding receiver and have outstanding vision on the move; he also must be able to carry the ball between the tackles effectively. He must also be an excellent pass blocker and chipper off the edge.

Wide Receivers:

The wide receivers in the offense are required to be precise route runners and must have outstanding run-after-catch skills. They should be able to take a five yard slant all the way to the house and be able to take a shot over the middle and hang on to the ball. The offense is based on the familiarity of the QB to the receivers and knowing what they are doing and where they will be at a specific time on any down.

Quarterback:

The quarterback in the offense has a far more difficult job than in the old style offenses. He must make as many as five quick reads and deliver the passes with zip and accuracy. The quarterback is not a gunslinger but is an accurate finesse passer that can still get the ball to a deep receiver with touch.

Overall:

Turners offense is a paradox. It uses power running and finesse passing which are vastly differing theories and although productive on their own it is easy to see how together they consistently fail.

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Ron Turner is an asset to the Bears who gets ridiculously dumped on by fans

I defy ANY offensive coordinator to get as much out of the offensive parts the Bears had in 2008 that Ron Turner did. The guy was a miracle world in fact.

by BLou on Mar 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

That’s a bit of a stretch.

Did he do a good job with not a lot? Absolutely. Is he a miracle worker? No.

Want an explanation? 3rd and short FB dives.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 19, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is called stubborness and pride.

He did a post season interview and still backed it and said that he will still call it. Take that play out though, and I give him a lot of credit for wins last season. He made good adjustments and gave our team chances for game winning drives which we executed many times this year, but the defense would blow it with hardly any time on the clock.

Minus the FB dive, last year, Turner got solid production and did enough to win with very little talent. Babich failed miserably with good talent.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Mar 20, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turner's offense/plays might maximize the Bear's talent...

however, his play calling is lacking. The Bears offense is predictable. No matter how perfect the play is drawn up, if the defense knows what’s coming and when…well you know the rest.

by MuleTrain on Mar 19, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007 and 2008 were completely different Turner experiences if you ask me.

I agree that 2007 was extremely predictable play calling and that 2008 was somewhat predictable, but also some surprises.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Mar 20, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never said he sucked

But I did imply it.

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 19, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

R U Kidding Me

The only answer I can accept is that you are directly related to that dumb sob. Thanks for playing, but Tuner has no imagination to creeativity. There have been a few of you that said he did a lot with what he had to work with, but that’s not the problem. The problem is, he cannot develop a player, and get stuck in a rut runnning the same plays ALL the time. I swear, I’ll drive up there and slap turner if we start 90% of our games with his favorite play…….RUN UP THE MIDDLE. I remember having success with no huddles starting off in a game….where did that go?

Turner SUCKS……..Lovie too.

by stumpo on Mar 19, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Creativity?

How much creativity can he have when he virtually has no flexibility with the players he has at his disposal? His options are very limited when the offensive line can’t hold their blocks for very long, or the fact his wideouts can’t gain separation very often. Give him some real talent on the line and on the outside before claiming he sucks.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other coaches can do it

These guys are pros, they should be taught what to do unless our coaches are to dumb to figure it out…hint,hint,hint. These are professional athletes, when are we going to start holding our coaches responsible. Coaches have done more with less in the past, so unless your saying the Bears happen to get all the shitty offensive players in the league, you have no leg to stand on.

What exactly has turner done to benefit us in his tenure?

by stumpo on Mar 19, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offensive pro-bowlers at skill positions

in his tenure, and only one overall in any given year (Kreutz and Brown in different years). Yeah, Turner has a ton to work with.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 19, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's good but not great

I realize he doesn’t have the best talent but I still crunched the numbers and in his two stints with the Bears, the offense has averaged a finish of like 21st with him.

by GallopingGhost on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame...

Dennis Green

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 19, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so diffferent than under our other OCs

Because… we never have any top offensive talent.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.

We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."

-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Mar 19, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

So how can you guy say this guy is good with below avg stats like this.

PS – Turner Sucks, come back to reality

by stumpo on Mar 19, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hatchetm

Easy on the f-bombs buddy. I liked the comment, but re-do it without the f bomb.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 19, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...i forgot

ok. i said something to the effect that I grew up watching the pro-set, running based, vertical pass approach and I liked it just fine. it worked then it would work now (given some talent). take the ball and forcibly insert it into the other team’s collective anus.

i hate this death by a million cuts offense. ATTACK and go for the JUGULAR!

by Hatchetm on Mar 19, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's all fine and dandy but

it’s very difficult to throw down field, or go for the jugular when they can’t pass block for more than a couple of seconds. Let’s see what the line can do after an infusion of young talent at LT, LG, and RT.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 19, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking "Out Of The Box" with Forte

I don’t have hard numbers on this, but it seemed to me that Forte ran for more yards per carry when he ran outside the tackles versus running between the tackles. I know that our line was very underwhelming last season, but if my observation was correct, wouldn’t it made more sense to have Forte run off the corner when we needed those 3rd and 4th and shorts instead of the the imfamous FB dives that were ineffective?

If anyone has access to the hard numbers I would love to see the comparison…

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Mar 19, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...um...did you say west coast?

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 19, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1995

The 1995 Bears produced the fourth-best offensive numbers in the NFL, including 29 receiving touchdowns, 26 rushing touchdowns, a thousand-yard rusher and two thousand-yard receivers. Our QB that year, Erik Kramer, had an efficiency rating of 93.5.

That was Ron Turner’s doing. It was the best offensive year I can remember us posting, and he did it without skill position superstars (Kramer, Salaam, Conway, Graham). So I’ve had big respect for him ever since.

Then again, that was 14 years ago. Things change. And I agree: Those fullback dives were predictable and horrifying. I’d cringe on the couch in anticipation (on the bright side, those dives weren’t nearly as cringe-worthy as the time Shoop called play-action on 4th-and-goal from the 17 down by a score).

But my gut tells me that if the Bears can get competent QB play and a nice combo of possession and deep-threat WRs, we might be OK. It’s betting the come to believe we’ll get that this season, but hey — it’s only March.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Mar 19, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron Turner can drive me frickin crazy at times

This team has bigger problems to worry about than him. Plus, on more than one occasion I have thought that he was doing a great job. Like Xarker, I think was hinting at, I would take Turner over a lot of other OC’s in the league, and certainly over Shoop.

I really think that our offensive personal is starting to shape up. Sure there are still some holes, all teams have some holes. We are starting to get a group of playmakers together on offense and our line is going to get younger.

I’m happy to wait and see what Turner can put together with a younger line, 2nd year Forte and healthy Jones in the backfield, two top 10 TE’s IMO, and the potential of ultra dynamic Hester at receiver. Certainly divisions have been won with less.

Oh, I think that Harry Hiestand deserves a metal for the Bears line play last year. I think that it will only get better.

While I’m waiting to watch all the potential on that offense and to see witch holes will get filled, I would prefer to spend my time bitching about the mismanagement of what should be one of the best defenses in the NFL. It is certainly one of the best paid.

by Fridge72 on Mar 20, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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