NightLink: Offense vs. Defense
by ChiFan13 on Mar 20, 2009 7:58 PM CDT
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"Jerry Angelo is our GM" - Lovie Smith
God save me, that quote never gets old.
Anyways, onto more pressing matters. We seem to be in full-swing prediction mode in these parts, so let's add another one in the mix:
Which group (offense or defense) will see the biggest jump in rankings after this next season?
Speaking of jumps, follow me....
The following rankings are from ESPN.
OFFENSE
Overall: 26th
Passing: 21st
Rushing: 24th
Receiving: 25th
DEFENSE
Overall: 21st
Passing: 30th
Rushing: 5th
Personally, I think it's a tough call. If we pick a WR with our first selection, I think the offense will mostly likely jump higher than our D. Frankly, our D couldn't cover a 3-year old last season, and we've only gotten worse with the Bullocks signing.
Do you see our defensive ranking jump back up due to the addition of Marinelli? Or, are you of the opinion that our offensive ranking will soar on the wings of Kyle Orton's neckbeard? Who ya got?
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Their both going to go up, for sure.
But defense will improve the most. We will have a defense in the top 3.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Wow. It's official.
The name of this site needs to be changed to Windy City Homers.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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How about...
Windy City Traitors
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by Haightminow on Mar 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
DOH!
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 21, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree w/ Haight
Orton getting every rep w/ the starting O this year will improve everybody’s chemistry and the addition of Marinelli will GREATLY improve every aspect of our D. If I had to choose one tho it would be the D. Not only for the additions of Marinelli and Hoke, but also b/c Lovie is calling every defensive play and working hands on w/ the D.
"I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it."
ChiFan, Hate to break it to you...
but neckbeard is no more. he is now goatee
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 20, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
I need to see a pic of this goatee
For I am not familiar.
Pics or ban!!
by Sam Householder on Mar 21, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
IDK where a pic would be
i saw him on T.V. during minicamp
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 21, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
Thanks for trying. I will see if I can dig something up.
by Sam Householder on Mar 21, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw him on chicagobears.com video from mini camp...
and he still has the beard
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Orton shaves after the season
but grows it back in time for the upcoming one, so it should be back.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
speaking of orton...
Did you get that E-mail I sent you frickin priceless!
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 23, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Pollyanna Fans
Are you guys sure you’re being subjective. Let’s look at this with some perspective. Our offense will be better because? A. We lost 2 key starting O-linemen. (Well, one key one and one who gave us depth) B. We still have no legitimate #1 W.O. or at the minimum no good #2 or C. It remains the same system with no significant additions.
Now let’s look at the defense. It will be better because? A. We lost key leadership in Mike Brown and have no one to replace him. B. We have made no significant changes other than bringing in new staff who are “friends of Lovie” i.e. see Bob Babich or C. We have no proven starting FS, no quality (at least last year) DE, and questions on our entire line and in our secondary.
How exactly have the Bears made themselves significantly better this offseason? By losing 2 tackles? By gaining an unproven commodity in Omiyale? With a draft that can’t possibly answer all positional questions? By giving up on Mike Brown? Seriously, I’m having my doubts. I think Orton will be solid with a decent receiving crew and o-line. Forte’s great. The D should improve without Babich making the calls. I’m not giving up on next year. But are we truly better across the board? Based on what?
YAY!!
Finally someone who sees this for what it is. These points are all spot on. It goes to what I’ve been whining about the entire off-season, Angelo is asleep at the switch and the McCaskey family are tighter than a German Bride. ( That’s Guudin Tiet my friends)
While I recognize this year’s free agent market has not been stellar, no one can tell me that NUMEROUS players have not become available that would be a significant upgrade to what the Bears are planning on fielding. These cheap b@staads won’t spend any money to put a quality teams on the field, period. The same tired argument, :as long as there’s arses in them there seats, they feel like they’ve done their job."
YAY!! cont.
I concur. I’m no homer.
Let’s not forget that in addition to no upgrades and losses in thin areas… EVERYBODY IS 1 YEAR OLDER. In any other profession or sport it wouldn’t be that big of a deal… but this is the NFL where there is a great argument out there that players only have X amount of plays in them in this league.
Offense
Full training camp.
Likely additions to the OLine/WR in the draft.
CW finally entering the line up.
The other half of our RB tandem being healthy.
Earl Bennett finally seeing the field.
Chargers
are trying to trade Kassim Osgood. He is a 6th year WR that has been asking for a trade the last two seasons because they only use him on special teams. He is 6’5" 220# and has had multipal pro bowl apperances. They claim to want a late round pick for him. Anybody know anything about him?
How did this team win 9 games last year?
One aspect of the team not ranked in the bottom third of the league?!?! Can we say Paper Tiger much? This is why, despite the possible contradiction of being a fan, every win last year hurt my soul. I can only hope the Front Office sees deeper on this more than they let on.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Every win hurt your soul?
Now I have officially heard it all!
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Mar 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, since souls don't exist, I'm pretty sure it was a metaphor.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Do me a favor please
stop yourself from making religious or anti-religious statements. let’s keep our minds focused on all things Bears. Haight and Religious discussions have a habit of turning out ugly.
OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 22, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Name a single position where we are better this year than last year...
WR/TE-NO
OL-NO
QB-NO
RB-NO
DT/DE-NO
LB-NO
SS/FS-NO
CB-NO
We just got older at most positions…maybe JA and the McKaskeys hope the rest of the NFC will simply get worse
Sure.
WR – Yes. EB will actually see the field this year. Booker is gone. If we draft a decent WR, or let Rideau play Dropsie Davis might not even see the field.
TE: Yes. Another year of experience for Olson = Better
QB: Yes. A full camp, and another year of experience should help Orton. Also, Grossman is no longer the back up :P
RB Yes. Kevin Jones can now give Forte a proper breather.
OL: CW will be starting. We’re likely to pick up at least one good run blocking OLinesman in the draft. If that isn’t somewhat better I don’t know what is.
DT/DE: Maybe. Let’s see with Marinelli gets out of them.
The rest of the defense? Probably not. However we should definately be better on the offensive side of the ball.
by Jacob Hayes on Mar 21, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure?
You cannot be serious about the WRs.
Olsen hasn’t been anything but a pass catcher, which limits his role.
Orton still cannot throw accurately deep.
This OL will be 1 injury short of collapse, even if the CM/new draftees work out.
Are you sure KJ is or can stay healthy?
Will Forte break down because opponents will stack 8-9 in the box?
Don’t get me wrong, I do hope I am completely off base, but you cannot be sure about any component on the offense. And that spells injury and failure on an overworked and aging defense.
We have two kinds of people in this world.
Optimists and pessimists. While you are very right that we can never be 100% sure that our team will succeed, I believe that we have to keep a measure of hope, hope is healthy for the mind and soul. Someone once said, “Why worry, you cannot add one minute to your life by worrying.”
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Haight, I appreciate what you're getting at...
I agree that what I’ve said can be perceived as negative. Honestly, I am just being analytically relevant to the topic at hand. The question posited was which unit will be better, O or D. I make the case that we have no reason to rationalize either unit being better based on semi-objective criterion. My response to Sklz was to note that, just like you said, we cannot be 100% and thus not “sure”. I argue only that we have no rationale to be “sure”, which isn’t inherently negative or positive. So, in a roundabout way, I guess I am saying that neither unit will improve greatly based upon the evidence we have in front of us. I have no problem as a fan at trying to put the most positive face on any season, that’s just what a fan is. My issue is using hope and optimism (or pessimism for that matter) without stronger indication. I do have hope that many of the players can and do improve with experience, I simply (yes, I see the irony here) am trying to point out the imbalance in experience between O and D will effectively cancel one another out; based on what I saw from mostly the same group last year.
By the way, there are not only 2 kinds of people in the world. There are as many kinds of people in the world as there are people. Be well and have hope!!
Hmmm...
Offense:
Receiving will improve… Bennett will help, and a rookie WR will contribute. Hopefully, CWilliams will be healthy, and we will add another starter on the OL in the draft.
Rushing: With the improved line, and a healthy KJ, even if Forte slumps, we should see an improvement.
Defense:
Rushing will improve. Angelo said he got the best free agent that was available this year. Well, let’s hope so.
Passing: See above. With Lovie Calling the shots on D, and Babich’s arms only extending to the LB, in theory our passing D should improve.
I’m torn between which will improve the most… but I am leaning towards the D.
what they you use lame AOL speak
Good question
With the loss of St. Clair and Tait, a nearly non-existent WR corp, and inexperience at most of the key post the Offense is in bad shape. While the Defense lost Mike Brown’s leadership, they have managed well without him on the field. That being said the O will improve alot quicker due the the improvment of Forte’, Hester and Orton. Also, the TE’s continued level of play will relieve some of the pressure off of Orton.
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