NightLink II: Jerry Angelo Might Be Eyeing Jay Cutler

I really like the image

of Jerry Angelo sitting in his office flicking boogers and screaming “You got nothin’ on me” at a picture of Bill Polian. Thanks! (In my version he’s carrying a half empty fifth of Jack Daniels and his pants have fallen down around his ankles as he staggers wildly around) (He wears boxers, by the way)

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not really.

Any team that doesn’t have a solid starting quarterback are “fixated” to that position.
I won’t believe anything until Cutler is wearing a Bears Jersey.

There is no "I" in "TEAM" but there's "ME"

by BearingDown21 on Mar 25, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AND

Cutler woudln’t even have to change his colors!

by jeepdays on Mar 25, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah!

and I’d rather Cutler come here than to Detroit.

There is no "I" in "TEAM" but there's "ME"

by BearingDown21 on Mar 25, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what

“if Cutler once again comes available” means. I mean was he ever available? If so, doesn’t that mean he still is? If so, does that mean we are in a bidding war with Detroit? If so, does that mean Jerry is trying to really make this happen? If so, does that mean… ah crap. Nevermind. Pipe dream. I don’t really like Cutler anyhow.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 25, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the way they look at it is

after Cutler found out that they tried to trade for Cassel there was a period where he was available. Now the Broncos have to do some serious bridge rebuilding with him, so they are on a serious “hes not available” kick.

I think that no trade will happen that doesn’t involve a QB, that is why I would think teams like Cleveland or Chicago would be the best trading partners. We can give them a QB. Denver has receivers who can make Orton better than he is. They generally have a very good offensive line. Orton could be very successful there.

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by Adam T on Mar 25, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cutler to the Bears?

He had one pro bowl season and now he’s a football diva at the ripe old age of 25.
This kid doesn’t know when to shut up. He’s not smart enough yet to realize that the guys that sign the Front of his paycheck call the shots.
How much respect do you think this kid lost in the Locker Room???
What kind of attitude has he shown?
“That’s it, I’m outa here!” … Is this your Your leader?
If he had any competitive class and confidence in his abilities, how about a ….. “Yea! BRING IT Baby!!”
So? Who needs a 25 year old “Ego with skin stretched over it”??
This kids agent already hinted at 25 Mil Guarantee. That of realy blows-up out cap space on just under 30 Mil.
But, Hey! We don’t need that money at all! We will probably have to give up a 1st & 2nd or at least a 1st and 3rd. You only need 30 Mil if your going to sign top elite draft picks and only if you want to build for the future.
#Three guys at the two OT position that have a combined ONE pro NFL start. We can use a #5 or #6 pick here.
WR position has a fast db doing OJT as a WR that would only be a #3 journeyman on any other team, and our big hope is a rookie that has ZERO pro NFL catches!
Boy! We better use our priority #4 pick here!
Cry Baby Cutler is gona “Cry us a River” before he demands to be traded again.
So, We have gone full circle now, … Cutler to the Bears?

by pete banachi on Mar 25, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually they want a player more than picks.

They would likely want a QB and a draft pick, like Orton and our first.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree with your subject line.

They will want a good qb to replace Cutler.

But people keep saying “Orton and our 18th”… I just don’t see Orton as being enticing enough.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 25, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, but if they did make the trade it would be because of Orton and the pick,

not just the pick or combination of picks.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

would you do it for. . .

Urlacher & two 1st rounders? Even I am intrigued by the thought of Urlacher in the 3/4. . .

by ChiCity85 on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Blah, Urlacher and one first rounder maybe

I doubt Denver wants an aging linebacker though. They need a QB to take over if Cutler leaves. That either needs to be through the draft or a proven guy. They most likely want someone who is ready to play day one.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Denver is requiring a QB in return

I’m not sure anyone who wants Cutler can do better than Orton.

T. Jackson?
Culpepper?
Clemens?
McCown?

If I’m Denver I like Orton better than any of those.

by torch on Mar 26, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

+10000000

THANK YOU. VERY MUCH! this gets rec’d so hopefully everyone sees this and shuts up about Orton not being good enough to trade. I’m sick of hearing it. Matter fact you should make a fan post out of this comment.

IM A BEARS FAN HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME THEY GOT A GOOD H-COACH SOME GOOD TALENT BUT THEY ARE RUNNIN OUT OF TIME THEY NEED TO SPEND SOME DOE AND FAST ED AND THE CREW NEED TO WISE UP AND OPEN THAT WALLET OR ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER 8 OR NINE WIN GAME SEASON JUST ENOUGH TOO KEEP US OUT OF THE TOP TEN IN THE DRAFT AND ANOTHER LOSIN SEASON WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS
-BILLD34

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 26, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

another reason why KO is better

he has one year one his contract. if he works out resign him. if he doesn’t let him walk.

IM A BEARS FAN HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME THEY GOT A GOOD H-COACH SOME GOOD TALENT BUT THEY ARE RUNNIN OUT OF TIME THEY NEED TO SPEND SOME DOE AND FAST ED AND THE CREW NEED TO WISE UP AND OPEN THAT WALLET OR ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER 8 OR NINE WIN GAME SEASON JUST ENOUGH TOO KEEP US OUT OF THE TOP TEN IN THE DRAFT AND ANOTHER LOSIN SEASON WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS
-BILLD34

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 26, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When compared to those guys, Orton would stand out.

But just because Orton is better than a bunch of scrubs, does that mean the Broncs would be willing to take him? I don’t think they would.

When you compare something average to things that suck, your average thing is gonna look pretty and shiny. But, when that average thing stands alone… then it just looks average. Kyle Orton is very average. Would Denver be willing to trade a Pro Bowl QB for an average QB?

Better yet, would Denver be able to say “Kyle Orton is our QB” if they deal Cutler? Would we trade Matt Forte for Willie Parker just because Willie Parker is better than Willis McGahee and Mewelde Moore? Because when you compare Parker to those guys, he looks great. But when he stands alone, he looks average, which is way less than we have in Forte.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 26, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not too sure about that

Orton has a lot more upside than people give him credit for. He could start for any team. I think the Broncos would be willing to trade cutler for him. of course they’re not going to get a brady or a Manning nor should they expect to.

IM A BEARS FAN HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME THEY GOT A GOOD H-COACH SOME GOOD TALENT BUT THEY ARE RUNNIN OUT OF TIME THEY NEED TO SPEND SOME DOE AND FAST ED AND THE CREW NEED TO WISE UP AND OPEN THAT WALLET OR ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER 8 OR NINE WIN GAME SEASON JUST ENOUGH TOO KEEP US OUT OF THE TOP TEN IN THE DRAFT AND ANOTHER LOSIN SEASON WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS
-BILLD34

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 26, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Painted themselves into a corner

If McDaniels and Bowlen feel their only choice is to deal Cutler, then the Bears certainly have to be considered the best option based on Orton. Plus, it seems to me that Kyle could play well in his McD’s system.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a catch-22 though

Because the people who would have something better than Orton aren’t going to give their QB up to get Cutler, because they don’t need him.

by torch on Mar 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactamundo.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand what you are getting at

but divas have never stopped a team from drafting them. TO keeps getting signed. Ray Lewis pulled some stuff this year. Chad Ocho does it. There are more divas in this league than I think people realize, you just don’t always hear about it. Lance Briggs pulled some pretty diva stuff too and we still signed him. Diva is not a reason to pass on talent.

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by Adam T on Mar 25, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh hem, Jim Mc, sorry clearing my throat

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Other Divas

Your “Team Diva” can be anyone , ….BUT not your Quaterback!!
The Team leader, if no-one else, has to be a Positive and Unifying Force!!!!!
This is just Basic Leadership 101. Your QB has to be Mr Team Cheerleader #1.
Not throwing immature hissy-fits.
Trade me Now! Trade me Now!
You don’t Love me! You don’t respect me!
Jeez Louise!
This has become a friggin soap opera. LMAO!!

by pete banachi on Mar 26, 2009 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Cutler to the Bears?

It’s understandable to view Cutler in this light for anyone outside of Colorado. As a Bears fan that lives in Colorado it’s impossible to go a day without fans/media ranting and critiquing Cutler, all the while trying to see whether he can fill Elway’s shoes. After a QB has played 2 years here in Denver without getting them to a Super Bowl there is blood in the water and everyone circles the victim like sharks.

I’m not saying that Cutler is doing the right thing by throwing the hissy fit that he is, but the fans/media/management are gruesome to anyone that doesn’t fill number 7’s shoes immediately. As a player I wouldn’t want to play here, especially after the comments that the head coach has made about bringing in his own QB.

I think that Cutler would make a great addition to the Bears… but I don’t see Denver wanting anything that we have to offer. Thanks for putting us in this awesome situation Angelo.

"I think you're confusing nice and evil again."

by ...YouKnowWho on Mar 25, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

I live in Colorado as well, and I don’t think Chicago would be a big change for Cutler in terms of scrutiny, etc.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

John Elway's legacy is still alive and well...

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wanna talk Divas?

You might just watch the Super Bowl Shuffle video once or twice.

There were about 20 Divas on the 85 Bears.

If it takes 20 Divas to bring back a team like those guys, I am IN.

by sabbath999 on Mar 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate cutler.....

He’s a whiny baby primadonna. He would be an enormous failure in chi without a line to protect him.

I believe in Kyle and we can do great with as our quarterback.

"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears

by scespy12 on Mar 25, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All hail the neck-beard

"I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it."

by Acreman20 on Mar 25, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is it

That when a team cuts or trades a player “It’s a business,” but when a player demands a trade or wants to be cut, he’s a prima donna?

by torch on Mar 25, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see where you are coming from,

and you are right about a majority of the time. But I’d consider JC a prima donna just because he is such a whiny baby all the time… including before he wanted to be traded. He has just always seems a little too cocky and whiny to me… just like Phillip Rivers.

On a side-note: it’s always business.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 25, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't agree...

on Cutler being a prima donna, I think McDaniels is the prima donna. He seems cocky like Phillip Rivers, but Cutler and Rivers are the best 2 young QBs in the NFL (maybe both top 5 overall), so maybe being cocky is a good thing, I always thought Tom Brady was kinda cocky and he’s the best QB in the league.

To pete banachi, I don’t think that Cutler has lost any respect in the locker room, I think Josh McDaniels has been the one loosing respect, I personally believe the team has the Cutler’s back. R

I’m also tired of hearing people and sportswriters say “Cutler wants to get traded, but he might not end up somewhere with WRs as good as Marshall and Royal.” I hate that, because Royal and Marshall have done nothing without Cutler as their QB, until they do I have to believe Cutler made them. (not really aimed at you guys, just getting out my frustrations at ESPN)

by chase17 on Mar 25, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

McDaniels looks like more of a tool every day.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He seemed like he was in over his head

In the interview yesterday he looked kind of shaken, like the job has already taken a toll.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Mar 25, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad to hear it

Thought the same thing. Like a deer staring into headlights.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Mar 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you on this one.

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by Adam T on Mar 25, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO GUTS . . . . NO GLORY!

That’s an old expression. It’s self-explanatory.

Somehow, I believe . . . that JA & the McCaskey’s are lacking GUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Now, the other day,

I asked you how you felt about JA, because most of your thoughts are geared towards the McCaskeys. Your opinion of JA was pretty mlld… I think you said “average.” Your tone is a bit different here now.

I have also been wondering your thoughts on Ted Phillips. I can’t recall you ever really mentioning him… he seems to always slip between the cracks on this blog. What’s your take?

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 25, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

GeauxBears

There’s an old proverb that basically translates into “A fish stinks from it’s head” or something like that.

Honestly, I’m no expert on either Ted Phillips OR JA.

Bottom line? To me, the McCaskeys, in 25 years, have shown NO ability to run a business, much less a storied franchise as the Chicago Bears.

Since I (like everyone else here) isn’t privy to what goes on behind the closed doors, maybe Ted and JA have had great ideas over the years, only to be shot down by the McCaskeys.

Maybe those two don’t have an original thought in their collective heads.

We’ll never know (unless/until someone writes a “tell-all” book in the future).

Bottom line? In the words of the great Bill Parcells: “You are what your record is.”

Based on that criteria, I don’t think Ted, or JA or Lovie have to worry about pulling a muscle while patting themselves on the back!

Just my 2 cents.

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Ted Phillips is more in charge than the McCaskey's personally.

It seems that they stay out of the football stuff all together. I’ve never heard their names mentioned once by any coach or by Angelo, but I do here them mention Phillips from time-to-time. The only thing I think they decide is how much to spend. The rest is managed by Philips. Of course that is only a guess.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

#23

They HIRED Ted Phillips!

Get It.

If you own a company and hire Paris Hilton as CEO, and then EVERYBODY agrees that you didn’t interfere with Paris’ decisions, I don’t think that you are blameless when Paris trashes the company.

That’s an exaggeration, but (hopefully) it makes my point.

The 1-15 Dolphins (for example) bring in Bill Parcells and they go 11-5 the next year.

Case closed.

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know how it works man.

I’m just saying they appear mostly removed.

I don’t think Ted, Jerry, and Lovie have done that bad. The team rarely sees a defeat more than 7 points, is in every game and competes for a playoff spot every year. They made a Superbowl appearance and won some division titles. That’s not bad.

Is 9-7 and 7-9 great records the last two years… no. But the team is not bad. I wish they were great, but they aren’t. Could they be great, maybe. I like last year’s draft, and I’m hopeful for this year’s draft.

The McCaskies messed up in the 90’s. It is noted man, move on. No one disagrees. It’s a new millenium and we don’t suck and we’re trying to become very good. I’m fine with that. I wish we signed a great FA here and there, but I also think JA has handled finances well, so I can’t have it both ways.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

23

I would agree. Ted & Jerry & Lovie have done better than Michael and Wanny and Dick.

No doubt. That said, to ME, it ain’t enough.

Bear fans deserve better than what the McCaskeys have give us in the past 25 YEARS!

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, we agree things are better.

My thought is that we have been to the Superbowl, in our bad seasons the last few years we barely missed the playoffs, we have been winning or competing for divisional titles regularly.

When Angelo and company got here that wasn’t the case at all. It took time for him to get His roster assembled. Now that he has, he is trying to complete the picture. This was the case last draft and this draft. We may be ready to take that next step up to be a great team regularly, but we have to be a little more patient. We fire these guys and we may be worse than where we’ve been. No one wants that. I’m willing to give this a year or two more assuming that they don’t destroy it this year.

It is possible we win 10-12 games this year and look like a very good team. It depends on the draft, how much Marinelli improves the line, Orton’s development, the mystery machine on OL, and a lot of other things like the secondary and WR group.

Does it look grim, sure, but it looked grim last season and we almost had 3-4 more wins. So I’m willing to see if last year was a mistake prone year that cost us games and if our team is better than that. I don’t want to be back in the 90’s situation with talent and coaching.

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by #23 on Mar 26, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Orton

is not amused by your jokes sir.

by junkhorse on Mar 25, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha...

Always laugh when I see that pic (even though is is a bit big). Is that a response to the article?

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Mar 25, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

KO in HD

yeah … I’ve heard enough about Cutler and I just want Orton to be the starter. Why the hell not? I’m freaked that if he gets hurt we’ll be up a creek, but he wasn’t all that bad last year. and I really don’t think JA is going to do much with this Cutler thing except hope that no one in the division signs him.

this face would give anyone nightmares.

by junkhorse on Mar 25, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just hate having Hester out there and doubting that he'll ever have a ball hit him in the hands deep.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear ya

I was at the Tennessee game when Kyle had Hester deep and he overthrew him by about 5 yards! If Hester had laid out it would have been a catch. That said, I know what you mean, but Hester just needs to learn to run a 10-yard slant and bust it up the middle.

by junkhorse on Mar 25, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DIdn't Rex Grossman play the Tennessee game

by chase17 on Mar 26, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, he did

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Mar 26, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i remembered that this morning

which is probably why the pass was overthrown rather than under.

by junkhorse on Mar 26, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that pic gives me nightmares

IM A BEARS FAN HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME THEY GOT A GOOD H-COACH SOME GOOD TALENT BUT THEY ARE RUNNIN OUT OF TIME THEY NEED TO SPEND SOME DOE AND FAST ED AND THE CREW NEED TO WISE UP AND OPEN THAT WALLET OR ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER 8 OR NINE WIN GAME SEASON JUST ENOUGH TOO KEEP US OUT OF THE TOP TEN IN THE DRAFT AND ANOTHER LOSIN SEASON WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS
-BILLD34

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 25, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cutler would never make it here

There is no questioning Cutler’s passing abilities. He has a very strong arm and is mobile, but I think he would fail here because of his disposition. I believe one reason the Bears haven’t had a star QB since Luckman, is the fact that it takes a certain personality to handle the pressure in one of the largest markets in the NFL. Jim McMahon handled it for a time, but his injuries and fights with management drove him away. Can you imagine Cutler standing up to the media and fan abuse after the first bad game, and he will have one, that he plays after whatever “blockbuster” trade it takes to get him? He’s been a basketcase in a one horse town like Denver, Chicago would kill him.

by BearFan611 on Mar 25, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He would be adored!

Fans want someone to depend on and believe in. Cutler would only have to hit Hester twice a year on a deep route and he’d have Billboards and radio guys gawking. They want someone to root for and will give it to the first guy with any skill above Grossman. Heck we were ready to give Orton 6 years 48 million last season we were so desperate for a QB. That is a made up number based on nothing for the factitions out there.

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by #23 on Mar 25, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BearFan611

I’m not here to argue with you. Jim McMahon was one of the GREAT QB’s in the NFL.

As HOF’er Steve Young (who played on McMahon’s BYU team) has said : “I learned how to play QB by watching Jim McMahon.”

The fact is, without Jim McMahon, the Bears don’t win the SB (the only great achievement by the Bears in most of our lifetimes . . .since 1963.)

No matter what he did afterwards, Jim McMahon was the KEY element in the Bears wining their only SB.

Even Mike Ditka acknowledges that fact.

Yeah, it would have been nice if McMahon lasted a decade or more as a great QB. He didn’t.

The fact remains that he, more than any single other player, brought the Lombardi Trophy home to Chicago.

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy Mac

You do realize that during the 85’ season McMahon was named to the pro bowl. If you compare his numbers that year with Kyle Orton’s numbers LAST YEAR they are oddly VERY similar. Maybe defenses really do win you the games. I realize the game has evolved since 1985 but numbers still tell a story. Just food for thought.

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Dave

You hit on a KEY point. Numbers (by themselves . . . don’t mean S**T!).

I am sure that you have heard that there are, in any one game 4 or 5 key plays in that game.

Jim McMahon was a GENIUS on hitting on those 2 or 3 plays that gave his team TD’s, and not long incompletions.

A few “Big Plays” in the passing game, over a few “missed opportunities” is often the difference between winning and losing in the NFL.

Personally, I like Orton. That said, from a leadership or a passing standpoint, he’s NO Jim McMahon.

All anyone has to do, to understand McMahon’s superlative leadership and passing skills, is study the great comeback he authored in the 1980 Holiday Bowl against SMU.

Especially the part when he defied his HC (La Vell Edwards) and threw the punting unit off the field in the midst BYU’s 20 point comeback.

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great comeback that was not in the NFL.

Hell, I’m sure that Grossman executed many impressive comebacks in the college ranks. So what?

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way

way to crap on Payton. Just like Ditka did in super bowl XX. Fact remains, as long as teams had to try to stop Sweetness they couldn’t gang up on Jimmy. He was above average at BEST. Sweetness owned the NFL. The fact remains that you, more than any other Bears fan, ignores the real success of super bowl XX. We won the Super Bowl by the largest margin of victory EVER (at that point in time). Let’s give it all up for McMahon for completely dominating on BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL?? He, more than ANY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER?? ARE YOU FOR REAL???????

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey I need to back off

No need for me to get personal. It’s just that so many people want to harp on our QB when to me it seems the real problem lies with the management of personnel top to bottom. That and the fact that I love Walter Payton and have always felt he was treated poorly by Ditka in XX. All truth aside, McMahon was good, just not a game breaker in my opinion. I respectfully disagree with you on McMahons importance in the history of the Bears. Thanks.

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly My Point

GeoMak,
You misunderstood my comment. I agree McMahon was on his way to being “that” QB for the Bears and he was mentally tough enough to handle the fans and media. The injuries and problems with the McCaskeys were his undoing in Chicago. I don’t see where Cutler would handle that kind of pressure in this city.

by BearFan611 on Mar 26, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude wasn't even MVP of the Super Bowl...

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

get

jay cutler enough said damnit!!!!!!!!

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton

by NOR CAL BEAR on Mar 25, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

not that easy friend.

Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Dave

The BYU/Jim Mcmahon comeback in the 1980 Holiday Bowl is considered one of the 10 greatest comebacks in college football history. I don’t see Rex on that list. Jim McMahon set 56 Division 1, NCAA passing records. He is, statistically, the greatest QB in college football history. THE GREATEST!

The Pros? His AMAZING performance in week three against the Minnesota Vikings in 1985 set the course for the Bears magical, SB season.

Riddle me this? What’s the Main difference between Joe Montana & Jim Mcmahon? Montana played for the greatest offensive mind in the past 25 years, Bill Walsh, in a PASSING system designed to turn 10 yard passes into 70 yard TD’s, with the greatest WR in NFL history (Jerry Rice).

McMahon? He played in frozen Chicago for maybe the MOST conservative HC in the NFL (Mike Ditka) alongside the greatest RB in NFL history in Walter Payton.

Big, big difference between the two situations. I personally cannot help anyone who doesn’t grasp the difference there.

by GeoMak on Mar 25, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm so confused by reading whats going on in this thread

use the god damn reply button. If only to save what little of my sanity & eye I have left. Please? Jeebus.

I need to go to bed. So much for football talk making me less grumpy.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Mar 25, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I don't know....

If he gets traded it’s to the Lions for their #1 and a player. If you’re Denver how do you not send him to the worst team in the league? Unless he ’’divas’’ up and won’t play there.

Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.

by SoulEater7 on Mar 26, 2009 1:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I remember when...

T.O. didn’t want to play for the Ravens after the 49ers agreed to send him there. Philly jumped on that chance.

IM A BEARS FAN HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME THEY GOT A GOOD H-COACH SOME GOOD TALENT BUT THEY ARE RUNNIN OUT OF TIME THEY NEED TO SPEND SOME DOE AND FAST ED AND THE CREW NEED TO WISE UP AND OPEN THAT WALLET OR ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER 8 OR NINE WIN GAME SEASON JUST ENOUGH TOO KEEP US OUT OF THE TOP TEN IN THE DRAFT AND ANOTHER LOSIN SEASON WITHOUT THE PLAYOFFS
-BILLD34

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 26, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heck no

Hell no I have no faith in that B***ard Angelo sucker can jump off the Dan Ryan anytime he wants to

"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)

by LarryCubFan on Mar 26, 2009 3:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

JA just made a phone call

so he can say he talked to them when pressed about why he didn’t get cutler.

by Hatchetm on Mar 26, 2009 6:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cost - Benefit

KO impressed me last year. He’s a competent starting QB now, I think he’ll improve, and I liked the way the team responded to him in the clutch. How many 4th quarter KO comebacks did our defense squander last year? Two? Three? Given the quality of the QBs on the FA market this off-season, I wasn’t all that bothered by JA’s lack of aggression at the position. Higher cost for minimal benefit isn’t a great risk.

But Cutler is a special case. Perfect? No. But I think the benefit of acquiring him far outweighs the cost. Worried about giving up the 18th pick? Go back and look at the history of the 18th pick. Hell, y’all have been analyzing JA’s first round history here on WCD and it’s awful. We’re probably better off trading that out. than letting him reach on some combine-wonder WR.

Of all the Cutler trading partners, KO is likely the best available. Would Denver rather have a Brady Quinn? Possible, but I wouldn’t. And once you get past Quinn, the other options look pretty spotty.

I keep hearing that the Jets want him, but I read somewhere they’d probably have to get a QB from a third team to make the deal. That would surprise me. And Minnesota? They don’t have a QB Denver would want.

Please forgive my public pipedreaming.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Mar 26, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I can

see it now hester on a 50 yd strike down the sideline and cutler hits him just right for 6, you know you would all love to see that happen!!!! i like kyle and all but c’mon dude is a backup @ best

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton

by NOR CAL BEAR on Mar 26, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs