Trading down...
Considering it has been brought up that JA likes to trade down, and that the signing of Shaffer allows the Bears to draft a WR, I have a fantasy-driven thought that would enable the Bears to get both a WR and QB in the first round, or some other combo of value picks.
After reading the post from the KC Chiefs blog projecting that we'd draft Freeman with the 18th pick...I thought that was a bit of a reach, considering those teams around us aren't really (according to the media) targeting QBs...here is my dream:
Perhaps JA would trade the 18th and the 2nd rounder for the Eagles 21st and 28th pick. I don't now, or care, whether that slots into the point system/value chart that was created in the last few years that has become over-used in coming up with trade scenarios. I do, know, however that such a deal, with perhaps a little more added in from the Bears, would fit with both teams' strategies/needs.
This is all fantasy, of course, so here is why: The Eagles have been known to trade picks during the draft, and target a player at certain spots. Also, the Eagles are a thrifty team that seem to like the 2nd round --look the last few years where they have traded out of the 1st a lot. I get a sense that they don't like negotiating high-end contracts (Jeremiah Trotter) or paying 1st Round guarantees to unproven commodities. Look at last year -- Desean Jackson was the 2nd of two close picks in Round Two last year. Just drafting him right after Trevor Laws allowed them to save money on DJ. Like the Bears, they are thrifty enough to save money. They have good talent evaluators and seem to know what they want.
Perhaps they'll draft two WRs for McNabb, or a WR and a RB...or a replacement for Dawkins. But, they know how to get talent in later rounds and I see them possibly shopping their 1st Round picks.
So, the Bears come along, needing to fill a couple holes (that's what she said...). We could pick up Nicks, DHB or Britts at 21 and Freeman at 28.
Some will say the Bears are cheap, but they have invested in their own. And, if you look at last years draft: Flacco got 30 mill. over 5 years at 18...but Sam Baker and Lawrence Jackson combined are slotted to make 24.75 over 5 years.
Yes, Flacco got that money because he's a QB, and the 17th and 19th pick only got about 15 million, but if we did draft Freeman I can't see him being worth what Flacco signed for.
Also, I know that Flacco had less guaranteed money than either Baker or LJ, but Flacco came into a situation where he had a high likelihood of starting. We still have Orton, and I don't believe Freeman will challenge Orton for a year or two -- if ever. More importantly, I don't think the Bears do.
Even if we didn't go for Freeman (why, when next years QB crop will be better), I'd like to see the Bears try and make this kind of move. Angelo is all about getting starters out of the draft, and this kind of move maximizes the crapshoot of getting multiple players they may be targeting.
Hell, we could draft two WRs if we made such a move, as I joked the Eagles could do...then at least one of them might work out. Or we could get a falling OT and a WR, and still get a safety and another WR in Round 3.
As the draft nears, it seems like WR is becoming more and more the pick at 18. So it makes sense that we could wait a little, being a WR-rich draft.
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Great hypothetical post. If the Eagles said yes it would make a lot of sense.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
I would rather see a trade up
I think that most would agree that it all depends on who is available. If Jenkins falls out of the top 14 picks then I say trade up and take him as our new starting FS. If Maclin falls out of the top 10, trade up and get him. But if we have no chance of grabbing a “difference maker” then by all means trade down. All the players the Bears are targeting will be available late in the first and most will be available early in the second.
Might work...
if the Iggles think the player they’re targeting (DHB, Nicks, Britton, or Oher) won’t be there at #21. Their needs are almost identical as the Bears, so they may bite on that deal.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
The Bears do not need to pick up a QB in any round this draft..
unless it’s great luck that a very good player drops to us in the 2nd or 3rd but definitely not in the 1st we have way more pressing problems on this team. Kyle will play well for us this year i have confidence in that.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
I second that.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
With that being said...
If the Bears sign a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round I bet that guy will be Rhett Bomar.
Pat White
IMO is the best QB in the draft. Why you ask. because he’s a winner. He makes good decisions, has good mobility, played against top tier competition and has 4 years experience as a starter. From what I’ve heard, Jerry Jones wants a QB that can run the wildcat. Whatever Dude. if you’re talking about White, he’ll be running more than one formation, he’ll be running the entire damn offense. I hope the bears knuckle up and get phat Pat in the third.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 27, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
No...
players that get drafted because they were “winners” in college never work out in the NFL. Matt Lienart was a winner, where is he now?
not true
Montana? Palmer? Favre? Elway? Namath?
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 27, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
So, between you and ifuwanna...
you have shown that success in college is not an absolute factor in the success of a QB transitioning into the NFL.
No… players that get drafted because they were "winners" in college never work out in the NFL.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude
chase said players that get drafted because they were winners never work out. i was only pointing out the obvious ones. I didn’t rest my argument that white would be a good QB in the league only because he’s a winner. maybe you should take a gander at my previous comment before rushing to judgement.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 27, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Correction...
Ohio State won some games with Krenzel at QB…
But Craig Krenzel was definitely a loser.
With a trade down
I would like to see them take Alex Mack. He would be great at RG until we needed him to step in at center.
I think
the giants could be a candidate to trade up. They have an extra second round pick, so they could send their late 2nd round pick to the Bears, along with the 29th pick, if a WR they like was there at 18.
The Bears would then have a first, 2 2nds and 2 3rds, which would be nice considering how many holes we still have.
If they could do that, they could go something like:
29 WR Kenny Britt
49 FS Sean Smith or Louis Delmas (if available)
60 RG Herman Johsnon
DEJESUS!!!

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