The Bears Den - 3/27/09
by Adam T on Mar 27, 2009 7:14 AM CDT
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In the Den
How will the signing of Shaffer affect the Bears drafting plans?
The Bears attended the Rice Pro Day.
CF: Rick Morrissey on why the Bears shouldn't pursue Cutler. Unlike
Mr. Negativity, Morrissey actually formulates a rational thought and
offers logical reasons as to why the Bears should steer clear.
CF: Mr. Negativity isn't as bad as usual, but yet another post as to
the Bears and Cutler. BTW - Chicago Tribune, if you're upset with
Rosenbloom on your staff, call me. I'm free.
CF: WR Mike Wallace (Ole Miss) has a private workout scheduled with the Bears.
CF: Eastern Michigan OT T.J. Lang has also scheduled a private workout
with the Bears. His stock is rising fast, so we may need to keep an
eye on this fella.
CF: Want some more private workouts? Fine. Here ya go. The Bears have
scheduled two private workouts with Oregon State S Al Afalava and Iowa
TE Brandon Myers.
In the Vicinity of the Den
I guess if anybody on the Bears team deserves one, might as well be him...
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We're looking at a safety named Alfalfa?
by Sam Householder on Mar 27, 2009 7:31 AM CDT reply actions
I thought that too...
and was going to say that too… you keep beating me to it GG! :)
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler cost
Here’s Morrisey’s estimation of the market price for Cutler:
In Chicago, this likely is a moot point because it’s hard to see the Bears parting with the draft picks it would take — maybe a first, second and third over the next few years — to get Cutler. Seeing as how the franchise has been quiet in free agency and trading, it’s seems obvious they’re big on building through the draft.
I think Cutler’s very good.. But if wehave to give up Orton and that many high picks to get him, we might as well be picking out silverware patterns together. Not. Gonna. Happen.
So: Moving on.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
While Morrissey is better than Rosin-bag
I still don’t buy the business argument.
Again – Why is it that when a team trades or releases a player, it is a business, but when a player wants to be traded or released, he’s spoiled.
Once someone answers that for me, I’ll stop pining over acquiring Cutler…
I agree
It’s a double standard.
At the same time, Kyle Orton never ever complained when Rex was the QB. There is something to be said about character.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
He can't Complain.
he didn’t show anything in 2005 to start complaining. He was just a game manager he didn’t pull a Matt Ryan. it was best he kept his mouth shut. I bet if he did go captain commando his rookie year and got benched he would have been tooting his horn.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
But you're lumping all athletes into the same pot
There are good people playing professional sports. Not everyone feels the need to run their mouth.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
True
But like the prostitute told her daughter, “if you got it, flaunt it”. Like I said, If Kyle has a better season in 2005 as a top 3 candidate for offensive rookie of the year and gets benched in favor of Rex Grossman, he’d probably complain, and rightfully so. but since he didn’t, he did the smart thing. He stayed in the shadows, worked on his craft, and grabbed the job when the opportunity presented itself. you’re right when you say not everyone feels the need to run their mouth, but you’d be surprised how many would if given the chance. Money has a way of changing a persons attitude and character.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Because
Like it or not, they (the owners) own the bats & balls. They ponied up the money to buy the teams (like Dan Snyder of the Redskins – 800 Million) and beyond that often (like George Halas) had to struggle during down times before those teams became the cash cows that they are now.
Sometimes players think/hope/desire that they are 50/50 “partners” with management. They’re not.
What would be a bigger loss to the citizens of Denver? Jay Cutler or the Denver Broncos? Obviously, it’s not even close.
The fact is that (for the most part) teams are there forever; the players are interchangable parts. Al Harris & Todd Bell of the Bears found that out in a most painful way when they held out before the 85 season and were forced to watch the Bears dominate the NFL without them.
Of course Cutler will lose
if he’s asking Denver (the city) to choose between him and the franchise. But that’s not the choice he’s asking.
He saw that Denver decided he’s replaceable. So he wants them to replace him and send him somewhere where they dont’ think he’s replaceable. He wants to play for a team that has confidence he’s “the man,” something that McDaniels seems to have failed at.
I don’t see spoiled, I don’t see partnership. I see business.
Can’t we just call a spade a spade?
You missed my point.
This was the comment I was responding to:
I still don’t buy the business argument.
Again – Why is it that when a team trades or releases a player, it is a business, but when a player wants to be traded or released, he’s spoiled.
Once someone answers that for me, I’ll stop pining over acquiring Cutler
My point had nothing to do with Cutler “asking the city to choose.”
My point was that EVERYBODY is expendable. The 49ers traded Joe Montana (who was still playing at a high enough level to get the Chiefs into the playoffs).
Players come and go but the uniform stays the same.
As far as McDaniels is concerned, I think he’s happy to have Cutler, However, when HIS player, Matt Cassel became available, I don’t think that it’s shocking that he’d want to be reunited with Cassel. That’s just human nature.
Jay Cutler would do the exact same thing if a coach he liked suddenly became available.
It's kinda funny how everyone misses your point.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Maybe were not the ones missing the point.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Try to follow:
This is what I said: What would be a bigger loss to the citizens of Denver? Jay Cutler or the Denver Broncos? Obviously, it’s not even close.
This is what he said: Of course Cutler will lose if he’s asking Denver (the city) to choose between him and the franchise. But that’s not the choice he’s asking.
Where did I say anything about "Cutler asking . . . "
My point is that the players, no matter how bad or how great, come and go. The uniform stays the same.
Thw owners always win because they own the teams. You can always get more/different players. Not so with the teams.
Jay Cutler can quit. The Broncos WILL go on. Cutler has NO leverage. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
If it helps at all...
I followed what you were saying. lol.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Mar 29, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Way for a good weekend post, Morrisey!
If his past is any indication, he might even be thinking about competition in a way Cutler never would: Bring it on.
Awww, nice ending statement, man. :) I would love for Kyle to get out and have a great year!
Found this chap comparing Cutler and Orton. He takes into account some of the other variables (the defences they faced, supporting cast, that sort of thing) and concludes that there’s not much difference between them. Interesting read.
As you comment on Morrisey and Rosenbloom...
You know what really pisses me off about the sports journalists in this town? There’s no god-darn real creative opinion in this town, other than Sam Smith’s weekly trade idea for the Bulls… and I’m not even sure Smith is still covering the Bulls.
All our journalists seem to do is piggy-back the latest news, instead of actually writing an original idea… like, say: “Bears should make an offer for Vince Young.” Or, something to that effect.
Instead, if TO is in the news, they write why TO should/shouldn’t become a Bear. Or, if Jay Cutler is in the news, they write why Cutler should/shouldn’t become a Bear.
I mean… is that all you got? Seriously? Start doing your friggin job.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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I thought Smith...
retired last summer from covering the Bulls, but he’s doing some intermittent pieces. Regardless, your point is well taken.
Rosenbloom is especially guilty of what you’re talkin about. Usually Morrissey can string a rational thought together, but they still piggy back off of news. And that’s fine, that’s part of their job. But, like you said, they don’t creatively think outside the box.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
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