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Bears Still Don't Know What They Are Doing With Safety Position

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The Bears need a safety, but they don't seem to be interested in actually getting one. After being reported that they were interested in Darren Sharper, they are either no longer interested or never were.

Also, Jermaine Phillips has re-signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Next on the list of available safeties is Cleveland's Sean Jones, who is visting the Eagles.

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We need to start a Matt Giordano petition

WHO’S WITH ME!?

OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we will end up bringing Mike Brown back.

Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.

by Haightminow on Mar 5, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Are we sure Rod Woodson is retired?

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Mar 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

worst. offseason. ever.

watch, they won’t get a FS. are we even trying to get any help this offseason? how many players at positions we badly need help at who aren’t getting massively overpaid have we passed on? its getting ridiculous

by guy incognito on Mar 5, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

all of them?

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Mar 5, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Putting it All Together

MIke Singletary, in a recent “state of the union” address to 49er fans, spoke of a “vision” for the 49ers.

The Chicago Bears (under JA and Company) HAVE NO SUCH VISION.

They draft Grossman at #1 (and refuse to allow a FA like Kurt Warner to compete for the starting job). They draft an “All-Pro” type defense. They strike gold with Hester.

Unfortunately, they are UNABLE to put all three groups together, at roughly the same time, to win it all.

And JA doesn’t have the balls to make a big move (like a TO) hopefully put it all together.

The reality is this. In the words of Denny Green, the “Bears are who they think they are.”

They aren’t a crappy team. They aren’t a great team. They are a good (or very good) team.

Unfortunately, in the NFL good isn’t “good enough.”

JA, Lovie and company are too good to get fired. And not good enought to win it all.

It’s really that simple.

by GeoMak on Mar 5, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

bitter much?

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Mar 5, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

I just think the Bears, of Halas, and Ditka and Butkus and Ryan and Payton and Singletary and so on deserve so much better, that’s all.

I really don’t like owners like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder. But those guys WANT/NEED to win.

We’ve got people (from the owners on down) that would LIKE to win!

Big difference.

by GeoMak on Mar 5, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the bears keep saying they have holes to fill

But they seem like they are neither being active nor have a plan

#34: You'll be missed!

by Chanman25 on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jerry's just

gonna wing it. Either he thinks Steltz is the answer there or maybe they’ll re-sign McGowan … I really don’t even think he cares.

by junkhorse on Mar 5, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Give Steltz another year to develop...

He was only a rookie last year, and he has the potential to be a play-maker. (I say that only because I’ve seen him play, and he hasn’t quite adjusted to the speed of the NFL yet.)

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 5, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

will he, though?

SS, maybe. but that’s payne’s spot. isn’t he just too slow and not good enough in coverage for FS? i dunno, maybe this is wrong, but my impression is steltz will never be a good FS. of course, with our safety personnel the past few years, that means he will be a starter.

by guy incognito on Mar 5, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Being a Bama fan

I saw Steltz a bit while at LSU and have confidence in him. Like Geaux said, he needs time to develop. He’s not a Michael Griffin type of player w/ the freakish talent where we can just throw him in and start. He has athleticism for his size and he’s smart and dedicated. What I think he’s got going for him the most is his discipline. All great traits you look for in a FS. Give him another year and I think he’ll be good.

"URLACHER IS GOD"

by Acreman20 on Mar 5, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, you've outed yourself now... Bama fan...

Tread lightly when I’m around… lol.

But you are right about Steltz… he is very smart, and I think will do just fine with some more games under his belt.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 5, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(CLAP!!) I just did a Gator Chomp

OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 6, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good in college

doesn’t mean good or even decent in the nfl. see: many heisman trophy winners. if he’s slow the “speed of the nfl” will always be too much for him.

by mike b on Mar 5, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry...

I didn’t mean to imply that because he was good in college, then he would be good in the NFL. I also didn’t mean to imply he is slow. Reviewing my comment, I can’t really see where you got that from.

My comment about seeing him in college referred to his play-making ability, which I have seen first hand.

And my comment about not adjusting to the speed of the NFL… well I cant make that statement any clearer I don’t think. But certainly, I never said he is slow.

He plays hard, has a big motor, and is very intelligent. Plus, last year he was a rookie. In my opinion, we will be a very good SS for us. But, I understand a lot of people wrote him off after just his first season, so they won’t agree with me. To each their own, I reckon…

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 5, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what....

I seem to remember him saving our behinds in the lions game.

And I swear… If anyone mentions him getting run over by Ryan Grant I will shun you.
I don’t see how losing you plant foot and laying out to tackle someone is getting run over!
Don’t even try to suggest otherwise I’ve watched it a dozen times.

by scespy12 on Mar 5, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, SS

that does seem right. i think he can do a pretty good job there. however, payne is better right now at that position. and that still leaves the FS spot open. we need someone who has speed and can cover fairly well. had we let manning stay there, i think he would have been that guy by now. but whatever…we need a starting FS. and a good one. i’m worried our lack of doing anything this offseason means steltz is being penciled in for that spot, which i think is a huge mistake. i mean, cover 2…you need pressure from front 4 (we don’t have that at all) and good safety play (we don’t have that at all). great. unless we do something, i’m predicting yet another terrible year for our defense.

by guy incognito on Mar 5, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be ok...

…Lovie’s going to keep telling us how he sees things out there that he likes, contrary to the eyes of every Bears fan.

by Spongie on Mar 6, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"We got the best free agent on the market."

Quote by Lovie Smith

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 6, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Williams is Available

Williams out of Dallas is now available.

A former #1 pick, he’s only 28 and still has a lot left in the tank. While his coverage skills may be suspect, he’s still among the best available and could fit in nicely with the Bears scheme. Replacing the “leadership” of Mike Brown in the secondary. Definitely worth the bucks he’ll command.

by DGURU on Mar 6, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Williams - Poor Pass Coverage

We have safeties than can support the run – we need a safety who can be a run stopper and be a competent coverage guy.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

by phastphil on Mar 6, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of our comments are related to SS

That position is not the problem. We have no FS on our roster and the only one available is Sharper (Ughh). The only other one we had that resembled one was McGowan. The draft is weak at this position but we need to try someone there in draft. (not Early..)

by tfrabotta on Mar 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...

Sharper ain’t gonna happen, and there seems to be less talent at FS in free agency than is in the draft. I agree that we should go after a FS in the draft, but if we pick OLine in the 1st round (which i hope we do) then we will be torn in the 2nd between FS and WR. Not a good position to be in…

Unless, of course, we grab one of the few remaining FA WRs (there are a couple of solid #2s still available), in which case we could go FS in the 2nd round. But we probably won’t.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 6, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We probably have secret plans to draft a FS from a Divsion 6 school.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.

We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."

-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
.

by SackMan on Mar 6, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Those exist? Lol

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 6, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if the top 4 tackles are gone

we trade down to the bottom of the round and pick up and late 2nd rd pick/early 3rd and grab the FS. Then we can get the WR and FS in round 2/3. The drop back would be equivalent of about 300 points which equates to a late 2nd rd pick..

by tfrabotta on Mar 6, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rashad Johnson

From Alabama is somebody I’d love to have on the team. He’s 5’11" and about 200-205 pounds. A tru FS who’s rarely out of place and makes plays. He’s smart and a sure tackler.

"URLACHER IS GOD"

by Acreman20 on Mar 6, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting a FS

Not worth considering at #18(1st); so lets look at the drafts top Safeties; 4 players could be considered at #49(2nd) ;or #84(3rd) has more options in that range:

SEAN SMITH – college CB could convert to FS; rated #29 overall-Scout.com #52 NFLdraftscout
2/19/2009 – Smith has extraordinary size that will come in handy against the tall and talented receivers in the NFL. He actually began his career at wideout. If scouts aren’t convinced he has the quickness and agility to play corner, Smith certainly can take his big frame and aggression to safety.
Positives: Good height and great length for a boundary corner. … Very quick feet for his size. … Runs well with taller receivers down the sideline, but also lines up in the slot. … Former receiver has great ball skills and the vertical to go up and get the ball. … Able to locate and high-point in coverage. … Elusive runner with some vision to flip field position after the interception. … Forces fumbles by using his length to get a hand on the ball. … Has the size and closing speed to be an effective blitzer. … Very quick to support the run or attack quick screens and passes in the flat. … Reacts quickly on plays in front of him and finds the ball well in the air.
Negatives: Might be seen as a corner/safety “tweener.” … Stiff in the upper body. … Does not play with the physicality scouts would like given his size. … Is slow to adjust when backpedaling if a receiver cuts his route short or goes to the skinny post. … Catch-and-drag tackler whose height is a disadvantage when trying to bring down ballcarriers with a low center of gravity. … Inconsistent using his hands at the line of scrimmage. … Gets stuck on blocks. … Takes poor angles to make tackles in space or when attacking a screen. … Just a little more than two years of experience on defense. … Cocky and talks trash.

WILLIAM MOORE – SS/FS rated #45 Scout.com; #62 NFLDS
02/05/2009 – Missouri Pro day: Moore was timed in the low 4.4 range in the 40-yard dash and clocked 4.39 on at least one reading, several people confirmed. If that time was consistent among the scouts Moore might have re-established himself as one of the two or three best safeties available. Also, Moore hit 36 ?? inches on the vertical jump. Moore, down to 221 pounds and finally running on a healthy set of wheels, said he’s gotten positive feedback from several teams and had dinner with New Orleans Saints officials Wednesday night. “They’re showing great interest. Miami, too,” Moore said. “All the teams that are in need of DBs I think I’m up there as one of their top choices.”
An exciting talent with eye-popping athleticism, Moore flashed more potential than production switching between strong and free safety early in his career, but then exploded onto the scene in 2007, intercepting eight passes and establishing himself as one of the elite playmakers in the country. Has a history of turning INTs into TDs, with four of his 11 career picks returned for scores. Despite earning first-team All-Big 12 honors as a senior, Moore struggled early in the year before picking up his play. Scouts love his athleticism and mentality as a ball-hawk, but Moore isn’t the intimidating hitter in the middle some teams prefer and with only two seasons as a fulltime starter.
STRENGTHS -Anticipation Size Tackling Ability
 AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT -Blitzing Ability
 Moore is a strong, playmaking safety that can alter a game with his unique blend of attributes. He’s a forceful, run defending safety, who also defends well in coverage. He’s fast in pursuit, tracks down ballcarriers and brings them down on initial contact. He anticipates the action well, reads the quarterback, displays a great burst to the ball and uses his excellent ball skills.

LOUIS DELMAS – #56 Scout(no analysis); #44NFLDS
 scouts have concerns about his ability to hold up against NFL size and strength as a run defender. Delmas is a natural playmaker in coverage and a more physical hitter than his size would indicate.
 Analysis
Positives: Athletic build with the frame to carry additional mass. … Active safety, unafraid to come up and support the run. … Physical defender who flashes some explosiveness as a hitter. … Reliable form tackler who attacks ballcarriers at their knees and wraps up securely. … Good lateral agility to break down in space in the open field. … Good instincts in coverage. … Reads the quarterback and breaks on the ball. … Smooth backpedal and appears to have at least adequate straight-line speed. … Natural playmaker. … Times his leaps well and can highpoint passes. … Team captain.
Negatives: Lacks the bulk most teams prefer. … Likes to evade blockers, rather than taking them on and shedding blocks. … Resorts to low tackles and will, occasionally, duck his head and swipe. … Can be more pesky than forceful as a tackler and will get dragged, at times. … Aggressive defender; can be beaten with play-action. … Questionable level of competition.

PATRICK CHUNG -#69 Scout; (projects better as SS) #49 NFLDS
STRENGTHS -Change of Direction Instincts Tackling Ability
 AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT Coverage Awareness
 Chung is a hard worker who plays the game with a lot of intensity. He diagnoses the action well, moves well laterally, and quickly locates the ball and attacks. He positions himself well and wraps up the opposition consistently. He’s a strong defender in the box, explodes through a gap, and makes plays in the backfield. He takes good angles in coverage and has great ball skills.

RASHAD JOHNSON- #76 Scout; #82 NFLDS
Positives: Cerebral defender. … Reads the action quickly and puts himself in position to make big plays. … Quick to recognize run and is able to often get to the ballcarrier before blockers can be effective. … Reliable centerfielder who understands his position as the last line of defense and can break down in space to make the open-field tackle. … Faster on the field than his 40 time would indicate due to his instincts. … Natural playmaker. … Baits the quarterback and has a good burst to close. … Will fight for the ball and can snatch the ball at its highest point. … Can track the ball over his shoulder. … Has a history of making the big play at critical moments.
Negatives: Has a skinny build. … Needs to bulk up in both his upper and lower body to be able to handle taking on blockers at the NFL level. … May struggle to maintain his questionable pure speed with additional mass. … Can get caught up in the trash. … Not as reliable a tackler near the line of scrimmage, as he is willing to lunge with teammates supporting around him. … Not a tone-setter in the middle capable of intimidating with big hits. … A bit high-cut and struggles to keep up with receivers in man coverage. … Character red flags due to a February 2008 arrest for disorderly conduct.

DEREK PEGUES-#78 Scout; #117 NFLDS
STRENGTHS -Coverage Awareness Instincts Toughness
 AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT -Change of Direction
 Pegues is your classic centerfield type of safety who’s always looking to make a play on the ball. He has great instincts and vision, and anticipates a receiver’s route as the play begins. He has excellent ball skills and a great sense of timing. He’s physical, sheds blocks well and is aggressive in pursuit of a ballcarrier. He’s versatile in the secondary, as well as returning kicks and punts. Positives: Centerfielder who reads the quarterback and anticipates receiver’s routes well. … Undercuts routes over the middle. … Excellent hands on interceptions or pass breakups, and reverses the field with good running instincts. … Willing to take on blocks when down by the line of scrimmage and can get off to make plays on the ball. … Holds up bigger running backs and keeps his feet moving to stop forward progress. … Catches punts easily when in position, and can make the first defender miss and get the corner. … Tough running through traffic.

DARCEL MCBATH – #67 NFLDS
Strengths: Centerfielder with the build of a strong safety and good upper-body development. … Comes downhill in a hurry, diagnosing the run and attacking receivers over the middle. … Solid last line of defense and secure tackler in space. … Reads the quarterback’s eyes and has the speed to jump routes. … Good hands for the interception. … Finds his way through trash to the ballcarrier when near the line. … Became a more vocal leader as a senior, and has always tried to lead by example. … Directs the defense from the deep secondary. … Contributes on special teams and should do so in the NFL due to his size and speed.
Weaknesses: Only adequate height for a free safety and might have to move down into the box. … Better when the play is in front of him and lacks the lateral quickness and recovery speed to stay with quick tight ends or receivers in space. … Must improve his hand usage to get off the blocks of bigger wide receivers. … Slow in run-pass recognition. … Not a dominant hitter.

by gillrowdy on Mar 8, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this may be the longest comment in WCG history

OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 9, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you copy/paste that from somewhere?

If so, you should definitely credit the site it came from…

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 9, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely scenario

why would he have dates?

OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 9, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't sure

if I should start a new post or not. I did a lot of copying and pasting and frequently mentioned the 2 sources:NFLDraftScout.com and Scout.com(although I abbreviated them).

by gillrowdy on Mar 10, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude if you wanna put up a post

feel free to do so

OH! STEWIE!! GET OUT THE WAY BOY! GET OUT THE WAY!
-Stacey King

by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 10, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize that's what NFLDS meant.

Keep in mind too that ChiFan13 and I are doing a multi-part series on breaking down each position in the upcoming draft. I think the safety breakdown will be coming in the next couple of posts.

Ryan Perilloux in 2010!!

by Dane Noble on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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