Ante Up and Place Your Bets
by Dane Noble on Apr 1, 2009 1:21 PM CDT
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He will be a Bear.
Orton shall be sacrificed for the good of mankind along with Jerry Owens.
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Jerry Owens...
The Sox OF?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
He's actually the Charlotte Knights OF
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Almost.
I didn’t realize the Sox had waived him. I just read that he’ll know today if he cleared waivers, which will then put him in Charlotte. What a waste.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
He cleared
according to MLBtraderumors
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Triple A it is then.
Thanks for the update.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
anyone who voted for the bears is a total homer
and engaging in wishful thinking
(i voted bears btw)
ME TOO
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton
I really wouldn't be surprised to see
a straight up trade with the Brownies for Brady Quinn and the #5 pick. That would give Denver Quinn, and the #5 and #12 draft picks.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
That would be a bad move for CLE IMO
Maybe the #5 and Quinn for the #12 and Cutler.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
yep
if they want a qb that would be the way to go.
detroit with two first round picks got my vote.
if they dig mccoy or bradford they could take detroits first next year, good bet they’ll be picking high again,
But it's the same argument people make against Stafford being picked #1
If Cutler goes to Detroit for their two 1st round picks, Detroit is essentially losing out on rebuilding their OL and defense. Or, at least getting elite prospects for those problem areas.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
well
i would imagine it would be a first the next two years, denver takign it because they’ll assume next years first is high.
so a number one this year and a top ten next year.
or this years 20 with next years first, and some player.
hard to say, really depends on what denver wants back.
i don’t think detroit gives them both 1st round picks this year.
Let's trade em CW and the 18th
For Calvin Johnson. HA
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
Quinn and the #5 for the #12
is the way I think the trade would go as well. It seems like it would be more of an even trade, unless of course Quinn is a bust. In that respect, Cutler could be a headcase.
Quinn?
Why not Derek Anderson instead? There’s still no indication that Brady Quinn is actually good (and I’m an ND fan).
And sign me up on the “no way we bring in Cutler” list on the account that Angelo agrees on two first rounders, ect. etc. but refuses to bump a fifth rounder up to a fourth rounder, but instead we bring in Matt Leinart as our QB of the Future who leads us to suckitude at the quarterback position for the next decade.
also an ND fan
and also know that Horseballs aka DA just got handed a fat contract that Cleveland doesn’t want to go against their cap. They already missed their window in terms of unloading DA while taking just a percentage of his contract against their cap. Quinn has got an upside that DA doesn’t … which would make him more attractive to Denver.
Bears get Cutler and Pace and have a nice draft....
…and bring me back into the fold.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Apr 1, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cutler
Clayton from ESPN said the Broncos want a defensive starter in return. If that’s true, I think that eliminates the Lions.
LOL
Yeah, I’d say so.
If that’s the case, I don’t care who the Bears give up then. Anyone but Briggsy.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
I DONT WANT
TO SEE BRIGGS OR PEANUT GO, ANYONE ELSE IS FAIR GAME
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton
this sounds more and more like a dark horse candidate
the panthers. peppers for cutler straight up.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 1, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Really
Even Tommie? I’ld say Tommie, Peanut, and Lance are out of the question. But I suppose Tommie doesn’t fit into their 3-4 scheme anyways.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Send Tommie
He cant stay healthy anyways. Wouldnt bother me a bit.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
and a CB to be named later
especially if we sign Lucas.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Tommie doesn’t fit into their 3-4 scheme anyways.
I think harris would make a great DE in a 3-4 defense
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 1, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
True
I guess I was thinking of him as an under-sized NT, but he would work out great as a DE in a 3-4. But that would leave us with Adams, Dusty, and Harrison. I don’t think we can afford to lose him. And for all the guff Tommie takes for not staying healthy, hes only missed 6 regular season games in his 5 year career and is a 3 time pro-bowler and 2 time all-pro. Did he play hurt last year and therefore have a decline in stats, maybe. If he did play hurt all year, doesn’t that show how much we need him. If a 75% Tommie Harris is better than any other option we have, I’d say don’t be so quick to show him the door. I want to see him after working with Marinelli.
Just to reiterate my main point, Cutlers not worth more than Orton, a 1st, and next years 3rd.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Marinelli
didnt do much for detroits Dlinemen. I dont see any change.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Little busy
He might have been a little busy coaching the ENTIRE team. But you can’t deny what he did in Tampa. And nobody wins in Detroit.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but unlikely
I doubt Tillman would get Cutler by himself.
But it would be a good trade. I have much more faith in JA and the scouting department finding good corners than in them (or anyone, really) finding a good QB.
they didn't name any position in particular?
or did clayton speculate any?
I don't think so
My bro called me at work and said Clayton said this. He said it sounded like speculation but the Broncos need linebacking help and pass rushing help so maybe offer them Urlacher, Mark Anderson, and this years 3rd and next years 2nd as a starting point and see what their reaction is.
I WANT
my jay cutler # 6 jersey already damnit…..
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton
Where's the guy who made the Houshmanzedah Bears Jersey?
Get on this!
by Sam Householder on Apr 1, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think his name was
photoshop. Not sure where he’s at right now. :)
If things came easy, then everybody would be great at what they did, let's face it.
Mike Ditka
Catch Phrase of the day: YAAAAAAAY! <---- Courtesy of ChiFan13.
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hell ya
it just looks so right….
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton
the six
looks more like an upside-down nine for some reason
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 2, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Just curious...
When doesn’t it look like an upside down 9?
6 9
6 9
6 9
6 9
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
.
lol
nice
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field." Walter Payton
by NOR CAL BEAR on Apr 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
VI
IX
I win.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
start with
start with orton, 18 and 2010 3rd, no need to start high. personally I don’t think hes worth more than that though.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I don’t know how they are on Orton and for us to get their attention we have to give up some good players to get in the game. Especially when someone like Cleveland can give them a Quinn/Rogers/draft pick package etc..We don’t don’t have the best assets to trade.
Exactly
I just don’t see Cutler being worth what it would take to get him.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not worth
paying to get a good QB? Really? You must be a Mccaskey. Of course Cutlers not gonna come cheap. Do you expect to get something for nothing? I mean if it costs us Tommie or Vasher and a 2nd or 3rd rounder to get our first real QB ever, I think it might be worth it.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Real QB
This isn’t Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, it’s not Drew Brees, it ain’t even Philip Rivers. I’m not gonna bet the farm on a guy who’s had 2 good seasons.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet
you include Rivers in your argument.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Philip Rivers led the league in QB rating last year. Cutler was 16th.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
But
hes only had 2 good seasons also. I dont get how you think Cutler isnt a real QB. I mean hes put up numbers consistently. He can read a defense and he can throw the ball anywhere on the field he wants to. Now let me go out on a limb here and say hes twice as good as anyone we have had since the begining of time. The only arguments that can be had are McMahon and Luckman.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 1, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Rivers had two good seasons and one great one, but yes Cutler would be an instant upgrade at QB. The convo started with offering Orton, Harrison, and Vasher plus 18 and a third next year. Would I take him if the price is right, in a heartbeat. But I don’t think he’s worth 3 players and 2 picks. We would lose the depth we have (which may not be much) at DT and CB. We also lose out on picking at 18, and with the holes we still have, I say we need the pick. Knowing JA that could possibly turn into 2 or 3 picks. I guess the point is I believe the upgrade from Orton to Cutler isn’t great enough to justify sacrificing 2 other positions and 2 picks.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Not voting
I’m not superstitious or anything, but I think this is kind of a dumb poll. Of course everyone should vote for the Bears!
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
It's not a poll for who we want.
It’s a poll for what we think is likely.
Is that a black cat running across the field in the background of your sig?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I did vote!
Naw….all I see is green pasture behind, and underneath Forte.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Oops... I meant icon.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Sarcastic reply
I was responding to his joke with a jack-ass reply. I thought icon, but knew you meant sig. :)
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
That shouldn't be a problem.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
i think im turning into a cutler addict
JUst had my fix on jay cutler highlights….FOR THE LOVE OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEARS PLEASE GET HIM!!!!
:|
wow
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
why the chiefs?
they just spent a pick on Cassell, doesnt make sense
by DaNate23 on Apr 1, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
Detroit or Washington
Detroit has the #1, #20 and #33 picks to dangle. Trade with Detroit will enable Denver to secure the top pick in order to draft Matt Stafford and thereby begin the process of rebuidling at quarterback and semi-appeasing their super pissed off fan base.
Washington has both the draft picks and Jason Campbell to dangle. Josh Daniels is said to really like Campbell and you just know Daniel Snyder would love to make another splashy move this offseason.
Anybody but the Vikings!!!
I think Cutler to Minnesota would mean a very long season full of what if’s and regrets.
If he doesn’t come to the Bears let’s hope he lands in the AFC…I really don’t want to see him twice a season.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
I voted other
Mostly because I don’t think he’ll really leave the Broncos. They’ll “try” to trade him and then talk about how they couldn’t get true value for him and then make nicey nice.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 1, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
The broncos kinda shot themselves in the foot with this one...
They publicly came out saying that Cutler has not returned any phone calls or text messages. This means that the Broncos will have no choice but to trade him. But I don’t see the broncos getting that much value for him. Sure there will be market for him as so many teams will want him, but teams knowing the Broncos have to trade him, will offer significantly less. I see the best the Broncos will get will be Detroit’s number 1 pick or a direct trade for Brady Quinn. According to Mortenson on ESPN, the Broncos are demanding two number 1 picks which I don’t think will happen.
hey guys do you thinks we can land some quality guys in the third round with our compensary picks and if so who?
Quite a few guys
There should definently be some quality players in the third. I’m pulling for Fenuki Tupou, a mauler at RT from Oregon, and Lawrence Sidbury, the DE from Richmond. Just my wish list.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 1, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
when have we ever drafted quality guys in the third round?
i pray we avoid it like the plague.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 1, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
of course :|
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 1, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you never know here
we have some very informed posters and some idiots. i mean look at the guys who run this thing!
Is there a way to flip someone off using text?
I think I’ve seen ChiFan do this: ,,I,,
but there’s got to be something better… :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
by Dane Noble on Apr 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea how many fingers that is suppposed to be...
But, it might be like those clever-eye pictures, where the more you look at it, the clearer it becomes.
Hey, ChiFan… can you stare at that for a while, and see what comes to you?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
3 way trade
My idea for a trade, and I’m not being a homer:
Cleveland Trades:
QB Brady Quinn to the Denver Broncos
Denver Trades:
QB Jay Cutler to the New York Jets
New York Trades:
2009 and 2010 1st round picks and a 2009 3rd round pick to the Denver Broncos.
by Chicagosportsfan on Apr 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
no one is trading their 2 number ones for jay cutler
i don’t think anyone has ever signed away a franchise tagged player. that is a good guide.
What does Cleveland get in this trade?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
nobody
good catch. but i think he means that cleveland gets the picks.
In that case,
Nobody is trading their 2 #1s for Jay Cutler. :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Actually,
The Broncos want a starting QB and first round picks for Cutler. And I meant that the picks go to Cleveland.
by Chicagosportsfan on Apr 1, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
and once again
no one is trading 2 #1 picks for cutler
Apply directly to the forehead.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
According to ESPN
They think Orton, Vasher, 1st, 3rd gets it done.
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Why would they want Vasher?
They have Baily and Bly. Thats what I don’t get.
I mean they do need help on defense but you’d think they’d want front 7 help more than secondary.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 1, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No chance...
There is no chance a package like that gets Jay Cutler. Nathan Vasher has little market value given his contract, his missing so much time the last two seasons, and his being erractic at best when on the field.
I see the Broncos going any of three ways…
1. Swing a deal with Detroit and be in a position to draft Stafford or Sanchez. The Lions own the #1, #20 and #33 pick, which provides some attractive options for Denver to consider.
2. Swing a deal with Carolina for Julius Peppers and Jake Delhomme.
3. Swing a deal with a team that nets two first round picks, to include a first round pick this year that will be in the top 10 in order to have a shot a Sanchez.
The Bears are too damned conservative and apparently financially strapped to be so bold as to offer two # 1 picks, plus our pick this year sits at #18 which isn’t going to be overly attractive to Denver.
That seems like a lot
Getting rid of Orton is obvious, and Vasher is worth paying. But adding in two day 1 picks on top of that seems like a lot (keep in mind it would have to be our earlier 3rd rounder, because you can’t trade compensatory picks).
If it were just the 1st rounder, I would do it. Even if we had to up the defensive player to, say, Tillman. Now, I love Charles but it is a lot easier to find good CBs (especially good Tampa 2 CBs) than it is to find good QBs.
I’m still not sold on Cutler, but I think I would take this risk.
FWIW
I went with the Jets. It just seems too obvious. They have the worst QB situation right now, and the most invested in the rest of their team (what with last year’s spend-a-thon and everything). I don’t see how they can afford to sit back with bad QB play for the next few years. There’s just too much motivation for the Jets for them to let someone else get him.
yea..
I hope it ends up being the bears, but the Jets are more willing to make the move, and in more need for a QB.
yasmirah
Try again without the f-bomb. Thanks.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
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