NightLink: Cardinals Will Listen to Offers for Boldin
by Dane Noble on Apr 15, 2009 6:16 PM CDT
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PrintThe last few weeks have brought a hush to the Anquan Boldin trade-rumors, but it appears that head coach Ken Whisenhunt has opened the doors to trade talks. Could Boldin be traded before the draft?
It would be foolish from out (sic) standpoint not to listen to those opportunities and see what actually exists.
Boldin is considered a No. 1 wide receiver so it could cost a No. 1 and No. 3 draft choice to acquire him.
The Bears have addressed one of their biggest needs in franchise history by adding Jay Cutler to the roster, but still lack a franchise receiver to compliment him. I don't think we have the ammo to go after Boldin, but Jerry Angelo has made magic happen recently.
Could he still have a rabbit up his sleeve?
(Helmet-tip to our stellar sideline reporter ifuwannacrownem)
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maybe we could offer them a #1 draft pi...
oh wait…
i’d send them a 2nd and 4th but i don’t think it gets the deal done.
what did the patriots give up for moss?
or dallas for williams?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
it doesn't matter what they were traded for
it’s what is being asked that matters. and they want a #1
offer d. clark (te), m. anderson (de), and the 2nd round pick
throw in some lower draft picks like the 5th we rec’d from denver… the lost draft picks will be negible, yet the impact of having boldin will be major
We can't trade Anderson... we need him big time this year, and beyond.
We only have 3 pass rushers: Brown, Anderson, and O-Gun… and both Anderson and O-Gun are FAs after the year. Anderson’s younger, and more likely to be signed long term.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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excuse me while i listen the GM from AZ laughing
they want something good. not crap. your offer wouldn’t get steve breaston
I say that a second a fourth and both fifths....
Vasher and Turners left testee get the job done.
Awww, man what am I supposed to do about my sig now?
what we would have to do
…is offer probably our 2nd this year and our 1st next year. Oh wait, damn, we already traded away our 1st next year, didn’t we? Gack. I doubt even two seconds (this year and 2010) would do it.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. And probably shouldn’t happen; even having Cutler & Boldin doesn’t do any good unless you completely change the offense to be able to fully utilize them. And I am not sure I can see our current coaching staff able to do that.
a 2nd and a third?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Can't trade the third my man
It’s a compensatory pick
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
next years third
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
wonder if they'd budge
if players were involved or if they are solid on draft picks only.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Cutler
for Boldin and Lienart?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Twas trolling the boss. Sorry :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
trolling for a boss
and caught a bosox. What type of bait you using?
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Right now,
If they want a 2, a 5, and Devin Hester, I’d give it a hell yeah!
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 15, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
I love Boldin
Living in Phoenix, there isn’t a player I respect more then the ‘Q.’
That said, Hester, Cutler, Forte and Briggs would be untouchable, to me.
The Cardinals could have anybody else they wanted for Boldin.
He’s a great WR and a real team leader. The Bears need both.
I totally agree on the "untouchables"
and I cringe every time someone throws Hester into a trade scenario. But, in all honesty, he is a #2 WR and a great PR. I have to assume that anyone we would get in return for Hester would make up for the total amount of TDs he would score for us.
Hester quickly became the most celebrated player that the Bears have had in years, but we have to look beyond the adrenaline that is created when he steps on the field and look at actual value.
All of that said, the one argument that I could make against myself would be that his mere presense on the field can change the outcome of a game… i.e. kicking away from him.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
I wouldn't trade Hester for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning
or almost everybody else. He’s young and he’s an electric playmaker.
Wow.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
i wish i was a gm and had hester
and you had manning or brady. i would so trade hester to you in a second.
Here’s a tip: Hester is done being a “electric player”
First off
Brady and Manning are older players. They can play another 10 years, but as we saw with Brady, who knows.
I made that comment with Cutler in mind. If we didn’t have Cutler, then I’d do it for either one in a heartbeat.
Who says that Hester’s done being an electric player? Really? Where does that come from?
hmmm
06 pr td + kr tds = 5
07 pr td + kr tds = 6
08 pr td + kr tds = 0
06 pr yds + kr yds = 1128
07 pr yds + kr yds = 1585
08 pr yds + kr yds = 877
06 longest return p/k = 84/96
07 longest return p/k = 89/97
08 longest return p/k = 25/51
He even got replaced by Manning.
Done.
no. he's sub-par at wr
a #2 at best. Fast? Sure. Good hands? No. Great route runner? No.
He was a once in a lifetime phenomenon at pr/kr. now he is ordinary.
Cut him some slack
This’ll be his second year in his football career at WR. He’s got decent hands, not great but not horrible and route running is something that can be taught and takes time to master. I’d rather have him develop into a playmaker on offense(where he’ll get more touches) than have him sit on the bench for a majority of the game.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
So
If he turns into an above average/great WR will you say you were wrong, or will you say that it’s all because of Cutler?
Look, I’ve told this story before. I’ll tell it for the last time. Steve Breaston gained 1,000 yards last year for the AZ. Cardinals.
He was drafted in 2007 and played almost exclusively as a KR (and trust me, he was good, but no Devin Hester).
At the end of the 2007 season, the Cards 3rd WR (Bryant Johnson) left in FA for SF. Breaston said that he wanted Johnson’s job and, according to him, worked harder in that offseason than he had ever worked before.
To his credit, he got the job and had a great year. Hard work pays off. Guys can (and often do) get better.
Some of you guys are judging Hester by his FIRST year as a WR and making it sound like he’ll never get any better.
Where do you come up with this?
I wonder how much Boldin and Fitz helped Breaston out?
We definitely need a vet to come in and mentor Hester. I think the signing of Pace is gonna do wonders for CW’s career. How many young LT’s can say they had a hall of fame player show them the ins-and-outs of their position?
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
Absolutely
Warner helped them all out. Each WR helped each other and Warner out.
That’s why football is the ultimate team game.
Having a vet who can play AND mentor Hester would be huge.
You forgot to mention one thing
Breaston is a #3 WR not a #1
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 15, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
In the case of Hester
He doesn’t have the luxury of playing KR and being a #3. he’s on the field all the time as a number #1 and trying to be a returner? It won’t work. It didn’t work for Dante Hall, It didn’t work for Bob Hayes, it’s not gonna work for Hester.
it’s a give and take system, I don’t have a problem with Hester being a WR. my problem is he’s the number 1, when it’s clearly taking away from what he does best. That’s being a KR/PR.
Hester is not a number 1. He’s nowhere close to being a number 1. 2008 was his second year as WR actually, Geo. Do me a favor look at his production as a WR in 2007 when he was a #3 and compare it to 2008. then, compare his production as returner for both years. then, come back and tell me if it’s worth making him a number 1
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 15, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He caught 20 balls
in 2007. That’s about a pass a game. Not much.
I agree with you reagrding the risk of turning over maybe the greatest KR in history to make him a WR.
All I’m saying is that it will take time.
How much time?
what if it takes him another 2-3 seasons before he actually develops into a Fringe #1 WR? what if that hinders the progression of Cutler? What if by the time he gets it, we have to rebuild our rapidly aging defense which is currently in win now mode?
this is a win now League. If Hester can be a #1 WR, he didn’t prove it in 2008. If the Bears had time to develop their players into stars, Kyle Orton would still be Our Quarterback.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 15, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is a 'win now' league
the Bears are in trouble. We all know that they are somewhat limited at the WR position.
As much as I’d like to ‘win now’ I’m more concerned about building a team for now, and the next few years.
Cutler, Forte, Olsen and Hester are all three years or less players. Chris Williams too.
They’ve got a pretty good nucleus of young skill position players on offense.
Our aging defense? Have to keep upgrading it and making it younger.
That’s the trick in the NFL. Getting all the pieces in place at the right time.
Look at the 85 Bears. They had Walter Payton and an excellent defense. And pretty much sucked!
In one year (1982) they got a drill sergeant HC (Ditka) and a Pro-Bowl QB (McMahon).
The next year they got a cornerstone, franchise LT (Jim Covert) and speedster Willie Gault (among other players).
Those four additions (Ditka, McMahon, Covert and Gault) helped take the Bears to the next level.
steve breaston
his 156 career receptions are fifth most in Michigan history
according to wiki.
steve breaston the college return specialist and WIDE RECEIVER is not the same as Devin Hester the college return specialist and defensive back.
hester is fast and good in the open field. he does not have good hands, good routes or good route adjustment.
you can tell everyone to sit and “wait and see the improvement” but with that mentality rex grossman is still handing off to cedric benson.
not all players get better becasue one guy did.
Look
I know Breaston was a WR in college and Hester wasn’t.
I’m going to work under the assumption that the Bear coaches know what they’re doing. Shocking but true.
It would be pretty stupid of them to move Hester from KR to WR if he had little chance of being a great WR.
Grossman and Benson have probably been playing their positions since Pop Warner.
Hester? One year+.
yep, still a stupid move.
take a guy who is the best ever at one position and assume it will transfer to another.
Ummm
You do know that he played WR in 08, don’t you?
He had to almost completely learn how to play a new position during games in the NFL. You think that might have taken some of his focus off his punt returns?
Besides, they used him almost exclusively on PR’s. Most of the time Hester doesn’t even touch the ball then, as they either kick it out-of-bounds of the kick coverage leaves litlle if any running room.
He should have been used on KR’s. Unless it’s a touchback, you almost always get the ball with some running room then.
Regardless, he was a full time WR in 2008 and an fulltime KR in 2006/2007. Big difference.
A coaches #1 job is to put his players in position to make plays. Don’t blame Hester if you want to assign blame, blame the coaches.
Formula for success in the NFL
1. Keep your players healthy. The 1985 Bears had almost no injuries, except for Jim McMahon. Last years Cardinals lost no starters to injury, except for Boldin’s two missed games. You will find that most playoff/SB teams stayed pretty healthy during the season.
2. Keep your players out of jail.
3. Limit turnovers. Teams that win the turnover battle have a much better chance of winning than those that lose that battle.
4. Big plays! There are a handful of plays every game, that often decide the difference. A long TD pass; a kick return TD; a big interception, etc.
If you have a player on your team (like Hester) who is a threat to score virtually everytime he touches the ball, you KEEP that player. Period!
his average per punt return was terrible.
so when they did punt to him, it didn’t matter.
As far as WR, he is very ordinary. There are a 1,000,000 guys just like him.
He excels at having the ball in the open field and being able to improvise.
I would like to see him catch more screens and swing passes, but he’ll never be Randy Moss/Larry Fitzgerald.
Look
How quick they forget. Yeah, he was terrrible in the return department in 2008. Maybe his mind was on learning his new position.
He was pretty good in 2006 when he singlehandedly put the Bears in the SB.
A million guys can do what he did as a WR? Actually, I’ve been watching NFL football for over 40 years. I really can’t recall a player trying out as a WR in the NFL without any background at that position.
It might have happened before but I can’t recall.
Why don’t some of you people see how well he does now that he has a full year as a WR under his belt.
He has two things you can’t teach: speed and (like you said) improvising in the open field.
Why don’t you give the guy at least a second year before you dog him.
Moss and Fitzgerald have been playing WR probably since Pop Warner.
antoine randall-el called. he'd like to have a word
and matt jones played qb in college.
who else? Ronald Curry too.
I"m sure there are others
(i was way too lazy to look it up)
i usually do too
If we can get a playmaker like boldin
losing Hester would be worth it. Hester is not the fastest man in the league(that honor goes to Matt Giordano) and he sure as hell isn’t the best returner in the league, much less on his team anymore. He’s living on his ‘06-’07 reputation and to me, he’s replaceable. Boldin is a player that can help bring this team many championships over the next few years. I just can’t say the same about Hester.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 15, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Boldin/Hester
Hester wasn’t the fastestplayer in the league in 2006, when he almost singlehandedly put the Bears in the SB. Nobody complained about his speed then.
Last year? He changed positions. He was a DB/KR at Miami. It’s probably not very easy to learn a new position on the fly in the NFL.
Like I said, I love Boldin. I’ve watched him from the beginning in Phoenix. If it was just Boldin for Hester straight up, that would be one thing. Boldin for Hester and draft picks, no way.
The one concern about Boldin is the fact that he’s now in his seventh year and he’s a little banged up. I’d love to have him on the Bears and would trade almost anything for him, just not Hester.
Hester proved his abilities in 2006-2007. It’s on the coaches to exploit his talents, not on Hester.
I don't understand...
this Boldin is a great team leader argument. How? He has basically demanded that he be traded. Something Cutler did and now everyone’s acting like he isn’t a leader, he’s cancer in the locker room,= and he’s a crybaby. What? how does that work out? Plus he has yelled at his coaches during crucial end of the game drives, that doesn’t sound like a leader to me?
Boldin
I live in Phoenix. I know the whole story from the beginning. Simply put, from Boldin’s first training camp, he’s been a great player and a team leader. Over time, he’s widely been considered one of the toughest players on the team (where have you ever heard that said about a WR . . . and this was before he got his face broken) and he’s almost revered by his teammates.
When Kurt Warner says that you (Boldin) are the most respected member of the team, that says something.
Now, to this year. Long story short, Boldin feels that he was lied to by management regarding his new contract during the offseason. Knowing how the Bidwill’s operate, I don’t find that far fetched (but I certainly don’t know the truth).
Just as Cutler complained (rightly or wrongly) about being lied to by Bronco management, it seemed that Boldin was much more offended by being lied to than anything else.
He said that he would not discuss his contract during the year, and he didn’t. When he got his face broken in NY, he had the perfect excuse to sit out the rest of the season and collect his paycheck.
He chose to have plates and screws inserted into his face and he was back on the field in three weeks (he missed two games and the bye week).
The fact that he has a contract issue with management is strictly business. Nobody likes it, but unfortunately that’s part of the game.
It in NO WAY takes away from what he has done for that team and what he has meant to his teammates.
Besides, most of his teammates hate Cardinal management too. They CERTAINLY understand his situation and don’t hold it against him.
I hope this helps clear things up.
What about our 2011 First rounder?
That would be awesome. Surprise us again, Jerry. Doubt it’s gonna happen but I am OK w/ just drafting some one rather than chase someone down and sacrifice more picks. As much as we argue how Angelo drafts, it is important to actually have some picks once in awhile.
by Sam Householder on Apr 15, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
With Warner quickly approaching AARP status,
I have to believe that they want to get a player NOW that could help make another push into the Super Bowl.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Sweet
Nice. Hopefully Angelo actually gets Boldin. And if he does, then the offense looks like the best ever!!
We have NOTHING
to offer to get us Boldin. You’re insane if you think Hester=Boldin. There’s no comparison. Hester’s very good, but as Manning showed last year, we may have a great special teams return UNIT. Boldin was a beast BEFORE they got Fitzgerald and Warner. People talk about “untouchable” players but Arizona should consider Boldin as untouchable as anything we could offer. I’d give them Hester and our 2nd, but they’d be foolish to take it. It’s great to show loyalty to a great Bears player, but what’s best for the team? Trade a clear #2 WO and a pick for a proven #1 stud. No brainer.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.
Zero chance of Boldin or Edwards
Arizona would be foolish to trade Boldin for anything less than a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. Even then I would be loathe to deal an explosive weapon like Boldin.
Edwards in Cleveland is going to cost the minimum of a good 1st round pick. Looks like the New York Giants are interested in him to serve as playmate for Eli.
Hester
Hester has , what, 11 return TD’s in 2006/2007. Saying that he’s ‘very good’ is somewhat of an underestatement. Another couple of return TD’s and Hester will go down as the greatest KR in NFL history. That’s a little more than ‘very good.’
Manning has two.
Arizona doesn’t want to lose Boldin but he’s not untouchable simply becasue of the cap space tied up with Fitzgerald and Boldin. In order to give Boldin what he wants/deserves that would throw their cap out-of -whack.
Nobody would be happier to see Boldin here than me. That said, I personally, would not get rid of a younger player like Hester to do so. As much as I want Boldin, I wouldn’t give up Hester.
When you say that Hester is a clear #2, what is you reasoning for that? How do you know what his ceiling is as a WR?
One of my biggest concerns regarding Boldin is his health. He’s taken a pounding over his career. Once receivers hit 30 they usually go downhill pretty quickly.
Hester, Forte, Olsen and Cutler all have three years or less in the NFL. That’s who I would build around for the Bears. The only one of those players that I’d give up for Boldin (as part of a package) is Olsen.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d do almost anything to get Boldin (players and picks). Having Boldin and Hester on the field at the same time would be like having McKinnon and Gault from the 85 Bears.
Enough with ridicuously overrated Devin Hester
Devin Hester was not a good return man in 2008. And at wide receiver the most charitable description is to call him a “work in progress.” His main claim to fame as a receiver has been drawing the yellow flag. Suffice to say Anquan Boldin is a distinctly better and much more valuable football player.
I like Hester. But please lets not get carried away.
Hester
He can draw yellow flag all day long. Last I looked you got the same yardage for a PI as you do for a catch.
He had a terrible return year in 2008 (after the BEST two years in 2006/2007).
Nobody is saying that he’s a great WR. He has skills you can’t coach and it would be nice if everybody goty off his back a little and let him develop in his second year as a WR.
Now is not the time
Last year Dan Pompei wrote a great article about trading Hester before the 2008 season started. His trade value was at its highest and we would have received draft picks and an established player. Since last year tarnished his return reputation and he didn’t really set the world on fire as a WR, I don’t think teams would give up the same amount at this point. With that said, I think you wait to see if 2008 or 2006/2007 were the oddity. Also, if he does come into his own as a receiver as the Bears seem to think, you have what everyone is clamoring for. If the receiver part does not pan out any better but he does return to some kind of form as a return man, next off-season would be the time to cash in and get one of our 1st round picks back. I think we stand pat as far Hester goes for now and go after a receiver in a different manner for 2009. I can’t see anyway we get Bouldin that would make sense for us.
hester now
is more of a liability at two positions. at least two years ago he was excellent at one.
Matt Forte and the #49 pick MIGHT get Arizona's attention.
Beyond that, it’s silly to waste time talking about Boldin coming to Chicago.
The POINT being...
…the Bears don’t have remotely what it will take to acquire Boldin. Not unless they were prepared to offer Matt Forte and a good draft pick, which of course I don’t see happening.
GeoMak
You are loyal to the Bears to a fault. You are as fierce as a pit bull and I admire that. But Hester has had two TRIPLE FANTASTIC years as a return man, one slightly above average year as a wide receiver (at the cost of a triple fantastic return man) and an otherwise unremarkable career as anything else (including a brief stint as a below average CB) They couldn’t find a spot for him in college either. He is a giant question mark no matter how you look at him. There are little to no question marks about Boldin. He is a proven commodity at the one position we have nothing but question marks. Just concede that maybe you are allowing your loyalty to a truly good Bear to cloud your judgement on a player who could contribute immediately as a potentially GREAT Bear.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.
Dave
I live in Phoenix. I recently wrote a Fan Post on ‘Blogging The Boys’ titled "The Greatness of Michael Irvin.’
I could just as easily write that same kind of post about Anquan. I absolutely love him as player; both for his physical skills and for his intangibles.
The intangibles were the basis for my post about Michael Irvin. I’m a big believer in the intangibles in the NFL. All these guys are talented: some are underachievers, some are knuckleheads and some are warriors.
The intangibles are often what separates the winners from the losers.
I have posted elsewhere and often that I think Boldin would almost put us in the SB. Unfortunately, that’s WITH Hester on the field.
The combination of Hester (the speedster) and Boldin (the playmaking possession WR) is intoxicating to me, especially with Cutler under center.
I’d give up almost anything to get Boldin. Just not Hester.
I think that they’d both need to be on the field at the same time to truly be effective.
This has nothing to do with loyalty. Hester is three years younger and, as much as I love Anquan, he’s a little banged up and he’s getting up there in age.
Oh and Olsen IS the "up and comer"
to give him up would be foolish. Boldin took one HUGE pounding. Fracturing his nasal cavity last year. That cost him less time than Orton should’ve taken from his “sprain”. He’s a horse. Hester may become a #1 but based on last year’s productivity and a questionable college career he should be considered a 2 at this point. To “hope” he becomes a #1 is the problem that this organization has had all along. We either wait too long for our talent to develop or we cut them short. Get a proven #1 NOW and screw potential. Take it out of the equation and get Boldin. Hester’s not “untouchable”. Grab anyone else with speed in the draft and you have the same potential threat.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.
Dave
You’re way too argumentative here. Really. I know Boldin’s a horse. Like I said, I live in Phoenix. I know all about him.
This is just my opinion. OK.
I think that Hester, especially with a QB that can actually overthrow him (instead of constantly underthrowing him) can develop into an excellent WR. I could be a 100% wrong.
Boldin, on the Bears, without a deep threat, wouldn’t be that effective. I don’t think you can just draft a fast guy and make that work.
You say “based on last year’s productivity.” Last I looked, he was our only WR worth anything. It’s pretty hard to do much when the opposition knows that you’re pretty much all they have to worry about.
With his youth and his value as both a KR and potentially a WR, I’d be extremely hesitant to trade him.
You are entitled to disagree with me.
Geo...
Straight-up trade: Hester for Boldin… would you do it?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
GeauxBears
You’re killing me (thanks a lot).
I LOVE Boldin. No doubt.
Let’s put it this way. We can all agree that Boldin is older and more banged up than Hester.
If we had some other receivers to compliment Boldin and make it work, then YES.
If not, and all we would be doing is losing Hester and wasting Boldin for the next two-three years, then NO.
That’s the best that I can do here.
Not good enough.
I have been reading your comments all night… but yet you skirt my question. All current things constant, without trying to predict the future, straight up trade?
Yes or No?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Hester needs just as much help
He has the ability to be one of the best down field threats in a long time, but he needs somebody solid on the other side who demands attention.
You can say would you trade Bolding for Hester, but my point is you trade for Boldin, keep Hester and you provide them both with the help they need.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
That's exactly what I'm saying.
I would LOVE to see Hester on one side and Boldin on the other.
I’m not saying that it would be Boldin & Fitzgerald but Hester is faster than Fitzgerald and I would love to have Boldin and Hester on the same team.
Not only from a physical standpoint but Anquan could teach Hester and all those guys a lot about life in the NFL.
I like that
Having one without the other wouldn’t achieve much. So is the Boldin option dead in the water or could there be something/someone else to offer up?
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Beer in one hand - brat in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO, What a Ride
I'm not skirting the question.
As much as I follow this league I’ve never watched a minute of game film. These players and coaches know more about football in their pinkie fingers than all of us (including me) know in our entire bodies.
If the coaching staff felt that they could compliment Boldin in the next year or two with another WR or two to make the Bears very difficult to defend, then I’d be all for it.
If they felt that that scenario wasn’t likely and all Boldin would do is be a great WR (like Walter Payton was a great RB) and we wouldn’t win anything (like walter didn’t in his first 10 years), then no, I wouldn’t do it.
whatever homer
Get it through your head:
Devin Hester played DB for a freaking reason. If we could trade him straight up for Boldin, I would do it in a heatbeat.
can't catch well
you think that no coach ever thought of this before?
So, let me get this straight
Somebody, in an earlier post, said a million guys could come in and do what Hester’s doing at WR.
So, Lovie and Ron Turner take probably the best KR of all time, who CAN’T catch the ball (at least according to you) and make him a WR.
Instead of, I guess, just keeping Hester at KR and bringing in one of those million other guys to do what he’s doing at WR.
That’s stupid.
If you want to believe that, that’s your perogative.
Might be worth considering...
That with his “electric” performances in 06-07, the coaches thought “Hmmm… let’s see what he can do at WR… it’s worth a shot.”
But, as we all remember, Hester decided he wanted more money. And the Beras were forced (essentially) to pay him handsomely for that experiment. Can’t say that year #1 of the experiment paid off… but there is no turning back now.
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I think it went something like this
1. Devin Hester tears up the NFL with his KR’ing skills.
2. Teams kick less & less to him. At this point Hester pretty much stands around and does little as he watches balls kicked out-of-bounds.
3. Obviously intrigued with his skills, Bear coaches start figuring out ways to get him involved in the offense, since his return chances have greatly decreased due to the fear he produces in his opponents.
It’s a difficult situation. There’s a huge desire to get him the ball as often as possible, since he’s a threat to take it to the house anytime he touches the ball.
My biggest fear
would be this. We trade Hester for Boldin. Boldin comes to Chicago and since we have little in the way of WR’s, gets doubled teamed constantly. Opposing defenses aren’t stupid. If they know that the Bears have Boldin and little else, they’ll take him out of the game.
As great as Boldin is (and he is) he struggles with the Bears due to the fact that he’s pretty much all they have at the WR position.
Hester? The first time he runs one back for a KR TD for the Cards, or the first time he catches a long TD pass from Kurt Warner (which I have no doubt would happen) Bear fans would say:
“WTF. Devin Hester was OURS. We drafted him and we raised him. Why is he scoring TD’s for the Arizona Cardinals?”
wrong wrong more wrong
how about this bet:
Bolding will score more TDs, have more receptions and have more receiving yards than Hester no matter what team he ends up on.
And I love your “when he runs back a KR for a TD…” you do know that it won’t happen in Chicago if he stays cause he got replaced.
Replaced by a fella who was #1 in the NFL in KR.
:)
Unless exigent circumstances present themselves, no way Manning ain’t returning kick-off this year.
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You're really kind of getting on my nerves dude
And I love your "when he runs back a KR for a TD…" you do know that it won’t happen in Chicago if he stays cause he got replaced.
A). I specifically said FOR THE CARDS! OK.
B). Use your head. In Chicago, it’s still possible for him to return kick-offs, isnt it? Just because he’s been replaced by Manning doesn’t mean he’ll never do it again.
Now, you apparently didn’t understand my point. My point was simply this. If Boldin leaves AZ., he leaves Warner and Fitzgerald.
If he goes to the Bears (with no Hester) then he’s pretty much it at the WR position. I really wouldn’t envision him doing a whole lot when defenses knew that they pretty much only had to concentrate on him.
I don’t care how good a WR someone is. If defenses key on you and make it their priority to take you out, you’re not going to do a whole lot over the course of a season.
I don’t care if he scored more TD’s in Chicago than Hester would in AZ. It would almost be a waste of his talent and abilities if he was in an offense where he was a marked man on every single play.
Hester should have stayed at kick returner no matter what
if the other teams are kicking it out of bounds, or kicking it short, then guess what, we still get good field position. we were essentially guaranteed that much, but now that he’s receiver, we’re not guaranteed anything
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 16, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing
but you can understand the desire on the part of the Bears to get him more ‘touches’, can’t you? I sure can.
The thing that gets me is this: I completely agree with what Ron Turner said last year. He said that during the second half the season, it seemed to start coming into focus for Hester.
Did he drop some balls? Yeah. They all do. What bothered me more than the drops was the inability of the QB to get the ball in his hands.
How many times did we see Hester underthrown. Beyond that, the key is not only completing the pass, but hitting the receiver in stride. That’s the key to an effective offense.
That’s what made Montana to Rice & Taylor so great. Warner to Boldin & Fitz so great. It’s hitting the receiver in stride so he catches the ball at full speed and (hopefully) takes it to the house.
That’s what I’m looking forward to with Cutler.
wow
i didn’t say he can’t catch. he just doesn’t do it well. that is generally why guys play DB. Don’t you think that Dieon Sanders would have been incredible as a full time WR? But he didn’t because he couldn’t catch. yes i know he lined up a few times at WR.
So we take a game changing player who is the best (maybe ever) in the league and move him to where he is average.
Turner and Lovie F’d the F up on this and now we are screwed. AND as stated before, Hester wanted a lot of money and it was going to be real hard to keep him, pay him and them watch him play so little.
Really.
Do you know that for a fact? That guys like Hester & Deion play defense cause they can’t catch as well as WR’s?
Maybe they just like playing defense. Really. I watched Deion Sanders play his entire career. I’m pretty sure he could catch as well as WR’s if he wanted/needed to.
You make fundamental lapses of logic.
A). Basically saying that DB’s would be receivers if they could catch better.
B). The decision to move Hester definitely had a risk and a downside to it.
I never even said that I agree with it (but Lovie never asked me). That said, saying he’s ‘average’ as a WR is fair. However, you make it sound like that’s all he’ll ever be. How do you know? Maybe in his second full season as a WR he’ll become above average.
C). You make it sound like he can never go back to being a full-time KR. Who knows. They might change their mind and move him back there next year.
Nothing here is etched in stone.
here's a tip:
a. is a general rule in football.
b. he will never be a great wr.
c. he won’t return kick offs full time.
Here's another tip
a.) I’m not saying that DB’s catch better than WR’s. You are (surprise!) twisting it around into a “If DB’s could catch better they’d ALL be WR’s.” That’s idiotic. Really. You make it sound like they have a drill at the beginning of camp. All the guys that catch well are WR’s, and all the guys that don’t are DB’s. It’s probably a little more complex than that.
b) Probably not. But you really have no idea.
c). Again, probably not since he’s afull-time WR but you make it sound like he’ll never return kick-offs again for the Bears. You have no idea what will happen in the future.
lets wait and see
b and c are locks
call me when hester gets 1300 yards and 8 tds like good wide receivers do you know like Boldin
You make it sound
like he was taken off the kick-off return team cause of poor performance. He was taken off because he’s playing position on the team.
Stats mean almost nothing to me. Really. There are so many variables there it’s not funny (QB, other WR’s, O-Line, offensive scheme).
Dennis McKinnon was a GREAT WR for the 80’s Bears. Really. A BIG part of those teams.
In 1985 he caught 31 passes for 555 yards, 7 TD’s and a 17.9 Yards per reception average. Oh, and Ditka used him to block down on guys like LT.
I never said (apparently you imagine things) that Devin Hester, in 2009 – his second full season as an NFL WR, that he’s going to make the Pro-Bowl or make people forget about guys like Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson.
I never said that his stats in Chicago will be better than Boldin’s stats in Phoenix. That’s crazy. I love Boldin but he does have a HOF QB and one of the best WR’s in the league opposite from him. Think that matters? I sure do.
You make it sound like Hester is useless if he isn’t a Pro-Bowl WR in his second year at the position.
That’s kind of short-sighted
no you are shortsighted and can only see #23
let me boil my argument down to the very base:
Anquan Boldin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Devin Hester
when it comes to WR.
AND!
if I were the Bears and I could trade Hester straight up for Boldin, i would do it and send the GM a crate of Lou Malnatis pizza just to say thanks.
Now make an intelligent (LOL) comment
about teams pretty much shutting down the Boldin cause the Bears have NO other WR worth covering.
Try to say something intelligent about that.
and you still have yet to make any argument that works here
there is zero truth to the whole “teams will target him” bullshit that you are spewing.
Plaxico Buress and Terrell Owens are laughing their asses off at you right now.
Say What?
Answer the question. It’s common knowledge that the Bears have the worst WR’s in the NFL (and that’s WITH Hester).
Take Hester off the team and add Boldin.
How do you think that Boldin would fare int hat situation?
Instead of just attacking me (as you have done) just answer the question.
Hell no
Jags, Raiders, Titans, Rams have WAY worse WR corps than the Bears.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 16, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
49ers, ftw?
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WIth Cutler as a bear
and no change to the bears receiving corp, Boldin will catch 100 passes and have @1200 – 1300 yards receiving.
You know Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison put up some nice numbers before Reggie Wayne got there.
Deion couldn't catch?
BTW: It’s spelled DEION, not DIEON.
Where did you come up with that? Really. Deion couldn’t catch the ball?
That’s funny.
Tell you what. A friend of mine played with Deion in Dallas. I’ll try (it might be really hard) to get you Deion’s take on this.
Deion wasn't a full-time
WR because he was arguably the greatest cover corner ever.
This may come as a surprise to you but it’s not every football player’s highest calling to be a WR. Get it?
learn the game
and stop replying 9 times on one thought.
for the most part, dbs play db because they can’t catch.
Too much Blou and Mak in this thread
Yikes!!!
Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 15, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It has been some serious drama..
with Boldin lately and the fiasco that was this past super bowl season season for the Cardinals, but honestly i just don’t see it. He wanted to be the highest paid receiver on his team and he wasn’t. Fitzgerald said he would restructure his contract to give him more money and that still wasn’t enough for him. What it all boils down to in my opinion(which may or may not be the case) is money. He want’s to get paid a king’s ransom and being 32 years old myself and being a bears fan for as long as i can remember i just don’t see Virginia shelling out that much money for one player. Is he a great player yes, but i honestly just can’t picture him in a bears uniform.
He never said
that he wanted to be the highest paid receiver on the team. That’s not going to happen. Fitzgerald was a #3 pick and Boldin was a 2nd round pick.
What fiasco are you referring to?
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