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The Cutler Dimension

The addition of Sir Jay Cutler has been celebrated by this site for exactly two weeks now.

So the time has come for me to talk about what can actually do for us.

 

I don't like seeing Cutler in Broncos Uni now that he is a Bear.

Jay Cutler:

Born: April 29, 1983

Ht. 6’3"

Wt. 232

40yd: 4.77

Benched: 23 times

Wonderlic: 26

Follow inside for a breakdown….

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Jay has an amazing ability to move around and outside the pocket, combined with his accuracy on the move and his incredible arm strength, he defines the West Coast Quarterback……

Wait a second.... the West Coast is a quick throwing, accurate, marginally mobile, doesn’t have the strongest arm QB….. Why did we get Cutler?

Why? Because Cutler is young, talented and smart, he makes great throws and is accurate with the deep ball. Although Turners offense is not meant to have a cannon QB the only time it really fires on all cylinders is when they have an substantial deep attack (see early 2006 when the team was a leader in scoring).

Also, having a QB like Cutler will keep the SS out of the box setting up Forte for more 7 man fronts. That allows him significantly more opportunities to break long runs, as well as opening up the bootleg passing game and the tight end flats and crosses. His mobility will help to protect the offensive line from costly Kyle Orton stripped because he couldn’t get away from one defender mistakes.

Another plus: he has big hands so no fumbling the snap right after you got a turnover in the biggest game of your life.

My Take:

With the addition of a WR expect the offense to put up 25 plus points per game. Rex did it and I'm certain that Jay is better. I also see Ron Turner making more of the playbook open to Jay than was open to either Grossman or Orton. (The short passing game was closed to Grossman and the deep was closed to Orton.) The only hiccups we can expect to have are Jay having trouble learning the playbook, and our O line not having time to gel together.

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Well Said.

I am very excited to see what he can do. I think we got him early enough in the offseason for him to be effective this year. His production will dip from last year, but that shouldn’t be unexpected as it is any way.

by GallopingGhost on Apr 16, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A production dip

is part of the deal when moving into the NFC North, esp. when you have to play half your games in Soldier Field – we’re one of the windiest stadiums in the league, and we don’t hide like the Viqueens and Lions. That said, I think a power-thrower like Cutler isn’t going to have huge problems with wind and weather.

by SouthSidePolack on Apr 16, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be fine

It’s not like Denver is the poster child for temperate weather…

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Apr 16, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was also thinking after I posted

that he’ll get the “playing 4500 feet lower” bonus in athleticism. The opposite of the Jordan in Utah effect, if you will. Any little bit is always good.

by SouthSidePolack on Apr 16, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Breakdown

And i agree wholeheartedly. We definitely need another legitimate WR, hopefully through the draft. Just watching the highlight videos on WCG last week shows you the skill that the kid has.

What i’m most worried about is Ron Turner. I feel sometimes we can make him seem like the worst OC in the league, but like you said his playbooks with Rex and Orton were pretty limited. If he can make use of everyone’s talent we will have a very balanced offense that will put up enough points per game.

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by gwl17 on Apr 16, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a Funny Feeling

I played QB and have talked and read alot about how during the off-season its time to get “chemistry” with your receivers, I remember the specials the past couple years on Peyton and Marvin in Indy and how they were sooo “in sync” and how thats what the Bears need. Well, I just have a “feeling” here, but remember you heard it here…… Bennett’s line for ’09—> 77 recs….. 924 yards…… 12 yd avg…….. 8 tds this I think is very possible for a target that he will favor and look for in tight situations, it only comes out to about 5 catches a game a basic 12 yd avg and a td every other game. Hester I think for this coming year is going to be better, however, he is still gonna be more gault than mckinnon. So when thinking of our wrs just think we already have a qb and wr with chemistry, a deep threat, a multi-dimensional rb, not one but 2 te, and then the complimentary players we have on the roster…. just wait they will look alot better knowing their roles and other teams will need to respect the pass game as well as the run.

by Chisportfan on Apr 16, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Opening up Turner's Playbook

is still a very short and predictable read; I would guess. But its hard to get all the plays you would like to see from an offense that usually goes 3 and out. I think our OLine will be better this year; both pass blocking and especially run-blocking. Forte will be solid, and KJones will be more productive. I don’t have much hope of finding a potential top30 WR through the upcoming draft, but finding a serviceable option will help. I am also hoping Bennett can become serviceable this season; so three decent options from our WR corps will still be an improvement in Chitown.

by gillrowdy on Apr 16, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Turners playbook is quite large

But be doesn’t use all of it.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How would you know if his playbook was large?

I doubt teams share that information: so do you think its larger than most other teams; or larger than a childrens pop-up storybook? Even if it is large, quantity does not equal quality. I haven’t seen much innovative play-calling from Turner or the Bears. I did like the no-huddle they used sporadically to throw off the opponents timing, but haven’t been impressed by much else Turner has tried to do.

by gillrowdy on Apr 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is known and talked about by sports commentators....

that Turners playbook is 2 1/2 phone books thick and very difficult to learn.

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by Haightminow on Apr 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

would love to comment but just have nothing to follow that up with!

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by chi-town on Apr 16, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda like Doug Funny

I OD on the daydreaming

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 16, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a real piece of work!

I still think you should get paid for this sh1t you come up with.

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by Haightminow on Apr 16, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think

Turners playbook is fullback dive, swing pass to the RB?
The playbook for my defense is 85 pages and I expect everyone that plays foe me to know it.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006 was an interesting year...

The teams we beat, with final records in parentheses:

Green Bay (8-8)
Minnesota (6-10)
Detroit (3-13)
Seattle (9-7)
Buffalo (7-9)
Arizona (5-11)
San Fran (7-9)
NY Giants (8-8)
NY Jets (10-6)
St. Louis (8-8)
Tampa Bay (4-12)
New Orleans (10-6)

We only beat 2 teams with better records than 9-7…

And that entire year, while we beat up on some less-than-tough opponants, Grossman only had 1 300 yard game. He came close a couple of times, but against the weaker defensive teams. Our passing game also got flat out shut down a few times that year too (9 times that season Rexy threw for less than 200 yards).

If you take away our defensive and special teams scores that season, you go from almost 27 pts/ game avg to under 23 pts/ game. That might not seem like a big drop in average, but our D and ST scored 10 TDs in 2006.

I do think that Cutler will add a dimension to our team that we have not had in a very long time, but I’m not so sure Ron Turner’s system will bring out the best in him. I also don’t think the 2006 passing game is a good comparison.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I never said all year...

The comparison was to early 06 when grossman was an MVP candidate. The defense did score alot of points but at no time did turners offense look as effective.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally understand that.

And don’t get me wrong, I was on the Rexy bandwagon too.

But “early in the year”- We didn’t see a team until the 10th game that would have a winning record at the end of the year. None of our first 9 opponents had winning records at the end of the season.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care about records

Parity is king in the NFL. Look at two of those teams the cardinals and the giants. Both in the superbowl. Whatever. Turners offense was the best it’s been at that point in time.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meow wait a minute...

Turner’s offense was good against sub-par talent that year. You can’t say that the level of talent we play against doesn’t matter. That’s silly. He had success against weak opponants.

And I’m not sure how parity plays into this discussion… we beat up on teams who weren’t very good at that moment. It doesn’t matter if 3 years later they won the SB. You think Turner could have replicated that success against the Super Bowl teams of the Giants or Cards? No way brother.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guys that play pro football

Were the best on thier respective teams. How many guys on LSU will be starters in the NFL? 1-2 maybe. They are pro athelete meaning they don’t suck. The NFL is not LSU vs pongo U

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pongo is a fine institution of higher learning

No need to bring academics into an athletic realm :)

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 16, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, they might finally place their first ever player into the NFL this year.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right!

I forgot about Harold Maude.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 16, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactamundo.

Maude is a big dude… and WCG picked him as his sleeper. Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the Bears OL.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for the little guy...

But I don’t think he can adjust to the NFL speed after playing in D3 or whatever. I do think someone will check him out though.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FINALLY,

someone whi is familiar with HM. I should have figured you would know… even though I like arguing with you, you know your stuff (sometimes).

:)

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's big but a little slow..

Not too sure if he has the talent considering he was not recruited by a D1 school.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point!

It’s not a fair game between the two but in the NFL is a fair game no matter the teams playing.

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

scespy,

I hate to stay on this, especially after Pongo U showed up, but to say that the success of Turner’s offense in 2006 had nothing to do with the Bears playing weaker teams, because all NFL teams have talent…. I mean, really? Playing the Colts that year was the same as playing the Lions, just because they both have NFL talent?

I understand the concept that any team can beat any other on any given day, but my original point was that the 2006 success of Turner is not a good measuring stick, because in 2006 we played weak opponents.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It the only measuring stick we have...

There is no other time his offense palyed better, so that is the measuring stick.
We play weak opponents this year too

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides wouldn't you be excited

If they played that well against the steelers or ravens?

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by scespy12 on Apr 16, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it comes down to 3 points win or loose I will be very happy.

by chi-town on Apr 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wheather or not our schedule was easy, GB

you gotta admit our Offense played really good. look at the games Grossman and co had against the the Packers, the Saints and Vikings, who were all top 12 defenses. also, teams like the giants and the bucs, their Defenses played tough even if they ranked near the bottom

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by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron Turner's system will be fine

Turner takes no more than what his players will give. That’s why Orton was so limited, and yet somewhat successful his rookie year. Its also why the offense got so narrow after Orton’s injury last year. Calling bombs to Hester made no sense when Orton couldn’t plant. Defenses knew it and crept right up to the line.

Scespy is right that Cutler immediately makes defenses take the pass seriously. An additional WR (Torry Holt) who can run intermediate routes and block…

Think about your passing offense…
- a burner (Hester)
- a polished intermediate route runner – who blocks (Holt)
- a Tight End who requires cornerback coverage (Olsen)
- two guys who excel catching out of the backfield (McKie and Forte).

None of these guys are Larry Fitzgerald, but is that necessary when defenses are stuck in nickel and dime coverage all game long? Now Turner/Cutler can feast on 2nd string secondaries and linebackers…and massive space for Forte if he breaks past the defensive line.

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by msnyder275 on Apr 16, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

he has plenty left I dont care what anybody says. Everybody lost intrest after his injury. I doubt he wants to play in the cold though.

by chi-town on Apr 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

If the Bears offensive philosophy has been, effectively, a reverse West Coast (run to set up the pass), I’m very interested to see what’s going to happen now that we can have it both ways.

by SouthSidePolack on Apr 16, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

msnyder

Well put, but we need to land Holt first. Hoping that truely happens.

by chi-town on Apr 16, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

go defense

I still think we should target patric Turner in draft. The man has skills!

by chi-town on Apr 16, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you mean to post that comment here?

Lol.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 16, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we are upgrading...

I’d like to upgrade Ron Turner.
His playcalling is actually pretty awful. And even when we could have gone to the strength of our offense (Kyle throwing to our TEs and RB), we didn’t. He’d call a sneak or a HB dive.
I would like to think Ron will open it up with Cutler at the helm, but I won’t hold my breathe.

by Bearsguy34 on Apr 16, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you in the huddle?

you know the play calls?

by mike b on Apr 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chicago Bear guys,
  What’s up! i think I may be the only female on this site, but then again I could be wrong, but I can handle what you guys dish out and I enjoy it! On to Cutler, yes he has to have some growing pains, but you’ll help him through that. I still say that your qb is the real deal and don’t listen to people who constantly tell you that he didn’t win alot in college. Who cares! Don’t use that as a measuring stick for his success because in Dallas both of our franchise qbs didn’t come in with a bang-even though Troy was drafted #1 overall (if we had used that approach we would’ve kept Steve Walsh instead because he won more stuff than Aikman at Miami. We also wouldn’t have drafted Staubach because even though he won the heisman trophy-the naval academy didn’t burn up anything). The best thing to do is to have a slow building process and that will allow you to sustain.
He is a raw, unpolished diamond that needs to be tapped. He’ll learn to check down because Landry had to reel in Staubach-see that comparison! This was a wise investment and he is showing maturity by taking some of the blame about what happened in Denver-if he wasn’t committed, then he wouldn’t be working so hard to show you his potential. I haven’t felt this good about an off season since we got Tony Romo. You guys are building something special and I will watch as often as I can (including when I make my trip to the Windy City!) I’m so excited: I’ll see a new city, meet new people, attend great clubs, and enjoy YOUR QUARTERBACK! DOESN’ T THAT SOUND GREAT-YOUR QUARTERBACK! AWESOME!

Needagoodtime!

by Loveforjoy! on Apr 17, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to shed some light on the QB issue

We’ve been hearing from Lovie Smith that “_ _____ is OUR QUARTERBACK” for awhile now, but it is pretty sweet knowing we have a young, talented, capable gun-slinger under center now. Good post BTW.

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by Acreman20 on Apr 17, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the blog.

And if you stick around, you will find that we have a couple more gals that are regulars here.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 17, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurrah! One more chick,

and we could start a WCG Coyote Ugly. WIN!!!

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 17, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome Loveforjoy!

I too am female and am glad to have you aboard. :)

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by HoneyBear on Apr 17, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting analysis of what the Broncos are likely to get out of their side of the Cutler trade – link.

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