Is Anybody Untouchable to Get Cutler?
by Adam T on Apr 2, 2009 9:46 AM CDT
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PrintI thought we could take a look at how important you think Jay Cutler would be to this team. Of course this assumed you think he could be our franchise QB for the next 10 years.
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what about Forte?
Would you all be willing to give up our bell cow?
Yes, in a heartbeat
Forte was good, not great. you can always pick up a runningback that could match or even top his production. if I was to pick a player who is untouchable, that player would be Greg Olsen.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 2, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Running back is the easiest to replace. A quality young TE is not.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy to replace?
You know how many crappy RBs we’ve gone through since Neal Anderson?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
.
I don't disagree with you,
But for the sake of argument, Rashaan Salaam and Thomas Jones both won Offensive ROY while with the Bears.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Aren't they the same person?
Lol… thanks for the fix :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Sure thing
Forte should be on there too. Ryan had WAY more help than MF did.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
And neither of those guys (Salaam & Thomas) were long term answers...
The only real answer we came up with was Thomas Jones.
Here’s the list since Neal Anderson:
Lewis Tillman
Raymont “The Ultra Back” Harris
Robert Green
Tim Worley
Rashaan Salaam
Tony Carter
Anthony Johnson
Michael Hicks
Darnell Autry
Edgar Bennett
Curtis Enis
James Allen
Bam Morris
Anthony Thomas
Leon Johnson
Autry Denson
Adrian Peterson
Brock Forsey
Thomas Jones
Cedric Benson
Matt Forte
Garrett Wolfe
Kevin Jones
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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i miss Leon Johnson
same to you Brock Forsey
by SamuraiMike50 on Apr 2, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That list is almost as depressing as
our list of QBs since Jim McMahon.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
No
Craig “Iron Head” Heyward?
If things came easy, then everybody would be great at what they did, let's face it.
Mike Ditka
Catch Phrase of the day: YAAAAAAAY! <---- Courtesy of ChiFan13.
Because the internet is the best place to assault a religion and a country. Sir, if I ever meet you in the real world, expect a thorough beat down.- Special thanks to bs.uf15bosox9bears23
Well... Iron Head only played 1 year with us in 93
And he was in the same backfield as Anderson… at full back
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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hey hey hey
we had the franchise qb and let him get away
peter tom willis…. suck one jay cutler
by SamuraiMike50 on Apr 2, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
OK what's your point
how do we know Forte won’t end up on that list?
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 2, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
Point is… we seem to have finally found one after all these years. Why try our luck again?
Would be like the Cubs trading Aramis Ramirez, after going 30+ years without a 3B worth a crap.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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tis true
how about we still trade him and just work in Rashied Davis? Even if he fails, at least he won’t let our hopes up.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 2, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
a competent management can find a servicable
RB in the latter parts of any draft.
Look at Denver. They’ve turned 7th rounders or undrafted FAs into rushing title holders.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They also had one of the best OLs year after year.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Exactly
you start up front and then have a basic servicable RB who fits your OLine’s style.
It starts up front.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That being said...
We don’t have the OL to easily replace MF.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
True
but if you have the o line you can always replace your RB.
And putting so much on one player is ridiculous anyway.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Now... you're implying that we're competant
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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no way; Forte is untouchable imo
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Olsen or Hester
I wouldn’t trade either one of those guys, but everyone else. Running backs are a dime a dozen.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
The reason I didn't include Forte
is we are not going to become a pass first team at least overnight, so we need to keep an established runner. Cutler is much more mobile and has better pocket presence than Orton. He would actually loosen up the defense based on those and his arm strength and fast release. He would open lanes for Forte our of respect for his talent.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
no way
then we end up w/ a QB and no RB, same situation just reversed.
by DaNate23 on Apr 2, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
I think Briggs is the untouchable one.
He played great even when the rest of the team had a down year on defense, we just signed him to a long term contract, he’s going to be he centerpoint of the defense in a year or two when Hurtlacher retires or is traded/released.
Definately Briggs.
agreed. no briggs or forte. anyone else is expendable
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Apr 2, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Olsen too, I'd say
Olsen is a good TE; it’s not his fault Turner doesn’t involve him.
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
I'll Go Out On A Limb
And say it was his fault we missed the playoffs last season…coughcarolinacough
Who?
Greg Olsen… or Chris Harris. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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Beat me to it
how nice would it be to still have Harris.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Plenty of opportunities
to put that game away. Can’t put that game on him and definitely not the season. The saddest part is those are the only 2 fumbles of his career.
And it looks like Chris Harris knocking the first one loose. Blame JA for trading him.
by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 2, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I thought it was the fact that we can’t remember to cover the sideline when the other team needs to get out of bounds.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's interesting
What about Peanut’s stupid penalty in the TB game? You’re putting Olsen’s fumbles as THE reason we didn’t make the playoffs?
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
Just Trying To Be Devil's Advocate
I don’t really believe Olsen’s fumbles were the reason. I wanted to make sure he wasn’t free of criticism before we anointed him “Untouchable.” Not saying that fumbling is going to be an issue on down the road, but I waned to reiterate. Do I think that was THE reason? Hell no. Just trying to have a little fun.
G Rap
is still young. I say try and keep him.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Who?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I can't keep up with
y’all young kids’ way of speaking anymore :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I guess when the Bossman
gets back from his flute lessons.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Alright
Just wondering so I can get my pick done w/ and stop worrying about it ha
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
Well, he is passionate about his flute career,
but hopefully he gets back from his latest concert soon.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I would say that Rashied Davis and Jason Mckie are untouchable.
And Brett Basenez. No way we get rid of any of these guys.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Apr 2, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Lmao.
NIcely played. And wrecked for the hell of it.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Thank you sir, I would really hate to lose anyone of these guys.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
Lol.
I know.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
What does it mean...
…to “wreck” someone’s post? Sorry, I’m still new, and I haven’t been able to figure that one out yet…
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 2, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
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if you click on the action button
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
.
Exactly.
Rec = wreck. I’m weird that way.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
OOOOOHHHH
I always thought it was something bad… hahahaha. Well, I’m glad I asked! :) Thanks
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Don't worry HoneyBear
it is not the first thing that GB will do that makes no sense.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
by Adam T on Apr 2, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
:)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Lol... just caught the irony...
it is not the first thing that GB will do that makes no sense
Speaking of not making sense…
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Reply button cap't
You of all people should use it
"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears
He used it correctly.
He was replying to HoneyBear. Man scespy, you aren’t on your “A” game today :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Am I ever on my A game....
Do I even have A game?
"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears
use the "up" button
it helps you figure out what was directed at who.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I know but then i have to put in effort...
Rather than boldly making any assumption I want.
"I am Kyles mom , I support him but I don't believe in him"- GeauxBears
heh
are you geo now?
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not even the first thing today!
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your enbannination may be imminent.
:)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
you'd mis me
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to try this in proper GB lanuage
Don’t worry I will unbannaantetion you?
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
F-A-I-L
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Bet she didn't see that one comin...
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that.
We know it's the most valuable position on the football team. We've gone through so many scenarios at that position we can write a book, moreso on what not do."
-- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
.
Er, thanks?
I have no idea what you just said to me.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
NO WAY!
Does Mckie get moved.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
exactly
without him how will we run the fullback dive, so inefficiently.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
He's the man...
The man to lose one yard when we only need to pick up a half yard….oops!
“Don’t worry, I sure it’ll work the next time, or the time after that, or maybe the time after that…” – Turner to McKie
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Apr 2, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd Say..
Lance and Forte, and even Olson are untouchable.
Next tier is Hester and Urlacher, maybe Orton
Last is everyone else
Why are they untouchable?
What’s your definition of “untouchable”? To me, it means you can’t trade “X” player because he’s the best player in the league at his position and you can’t replace him. I’ll give you Briggs, because he might be the best will linebacker in the NFL. Forte and Olsen, not so much. Hester should definitely be traded because if he was on any other team that actually knows how to utilize him, he’d be insane. Urlacher, I love him, should have been traded after the SB loss to maximize his value. Now, we’re stuck with an aging MLB who can’t shed blockers and seem to tackle anymore and a converted CB, RB, KR, PR, WR who hasn’t shown his true ability yet at WR.
untouchable
urlacher is a prime candidate for a trade.olsen is untouchable you have to give cutler someone to throw to.forte maybe as a rookies second year is normally non productive.
I just mean...
…Forte is a talent. If we are going to “run the ball coming off the bus” we need a guy who has talent. Do you want Kevin Jones and “The Other” Adrian Peterson being our featured backs? HECK NO.
I think Forte is going ot be a sensation in the NFL, and I’d love to have him in a Bears Uni for a long time to come.
Lance= Self explainatory.
Greg Olsen could be one of the elite TE in the league, if Turner utilized him and if we had a QB who would throw to him. All we had to do last year is hand off to Forte and throw slants to G.O/Dez and we would be dominate. Minus the fumbles at Carolina that cost us, he was awesome. Turner was too busy tring to get Hester involved, and all he did was dance in the backfield and forget his routes. Put him (and leave him) at KR/PR and find some WRs!!! RD can’t catch a cold, Bennett sat on the bench… The problem with our team is we don’t know talent when we see it. We run people out of town before they even get good. Ex Grossman, Barnyard, Moose, etc.
Urlacher is indeed in his last few years, and can be replaced. Trade him now and get some picks, if you can. Trade everyone else too if you want, just keep your CORE talent, trade a Vasher or a Hillenmeyer and make something happen.
Agree for the most part
Disagree that we ran Grossman out before he got good. We gave him more than enough opportunities and he failed miserably(except Sept. of ‘06). Also Urlacher will return to his form this year. W/ Harris healthy and Harrison/Adams in front to control blockers he’ll be able to roam the field again. I’m predictin a PB for #54.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
You can find a RB
I’d rather NOT get rid of Forte if I have the choice, but if I have to pick between a RB or a franchise QB, I’mma pick a quarterback.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Forte isn't Payton
but to go along with it, maybe. For a 26 year old pro bowler with a rocket arm in need of a new situation and who’s used to playing in Chicagoy conditions? Yes I might have.
The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Forte isn't Payton, but.........................
Payton wasn’t the HOF All Time Greatest Back that we all know and love after his Rookie Year either. If you look at Payton’s stats after his rookie season:
Attempts: 196 Yards: 679 Avg: 3.5 TD: 7
Receptions: 33 Yards: 213 Ave: 6.5 TD: 0
and then compare them to Forte:
Attempts: 316 Yards: 1238 Avg: 3.9 TD: 8
Receptions: 63 Yards: 477 Ave: 7.6 TD: 4
You would have to agree that Forte’s are more impressive.
Look I am not saying that Forte is the next Walter Payton, but I am also not willing to say that he is the next Salaam or Anthony Thomas. The point is that it takes a lot more than a rookie season to know what you have. A dominant running back has to be considered almost as important as a franchise QB for a team structured like the Bears or else you would not see Running Backs taken at the top of the Draft.
Cutler...
Is not as good as you think he is. Look at his record.
He’s a premadonna at best right now. Kyle was voted as a captian by his PEER, and none of Cutler’s teammates have said a WORD about him leaving.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t mind having Cutler, but to give up our starting RB right now when we are fixing the OLine is a mistake.
PS. Pro Bowl’s don’t mean SHIT in my opinion. It should have been Rivers, not Cutler last year.
Team sport
and yes Rivers did deserve the pro bowl last year
But Cutler is a career 60% comp guy with a high 80s QB rating for his career.
I’m not saying we SHOULD give up forte, I’d rather not. But if we can land something we haven’t had in 50 years, I’ll get over it.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 2, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
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