All-Time Draft Picks
by Adam T on Apr 20, 2009 1:23 PM CDT
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NFL.com had a bunch of their editorial staff look at every first round pick at each position and put together a list of which ones were the best picks, which ones also received votes and which ones were worthy of at least being mentioned.
I don't know why, but I decided to put them in a graphic, maybe I felt like getting all creative for a change. Besides it is always a good time to post pics of Payton.
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There's some great drafts out today...
On Yahoo, they did the Ultimate Mock Draft V: selecting current players in today’s NFL.
On ESPN, they did the Mock Draft for the Ages: History’s greatest prospects.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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All great stuff
I am wondering if anyone has done a redraft yet for 2006 or 2007? Because usually they do those after 2-3 years because that’s how long it takes to consider a class good or bad.
by Sam Householder on Apr 20, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
From Dan Pompei's article yesterday...
Dan Pompei | On the NFL | April 19, 2009
First round do-overs: Here is more evidence that the first round of the draft is way overrated, courtesy of NBC.com. Three NFL writers (including this reporter) were asked last week to "redo" the first rounds of the 2004, 2005 and 2006 drafts.
Of the 96 players they chose as first-rounders based on their NFL production, 46 percent of them were not originally first-rounders.
The Bears have had five of the "redo" first-rounders on their team: Cutler, who in the redo went first overall in 2006; Devin Hester, who went fourth overall in 2006; Tommie Harris; Nathan Vasher, and Bernard Berrian. Of the five, Harris was the only player the Bears actually chose in the first round.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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JA actually does a good job.
He convinced the McKaskey’s how much money they would save by giving up two 1st round picks for Cutler.
To me Walter Peyton
was the greatest. He would kock a player down and then help him up. It was fantastic.
He was
a true man of GREATNESS!!!!!
Is it August yet???
by NOR CAL BEAR on Apr 20, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Him
and Barry Sanders.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 20, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
ya
but barry wasnt a bear though… but he was great as well ur right
Is it August yet???
by NOR CAL BEAR on Apr 20, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
and walter payton didn't quit the game
and try to steal his team’s money.
and have the weird hair bump on his head everytime he took his helmet off
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
That might have crossed into creepiness
but since we are talking about Payton a certain level of man crush is expected and acceptable.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
I'm surprised that nobody
has brought up Pick #3 yet. I’m sure there are plenty that think Butkus should be winner over Barry Sanders. Certianly tempchad does:)
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Sanders
I think they got it right. Butkus was great but Barry Sanders is in a category all by himself. Could you imagine if the Packers would have drafted Sanders over Mandarich and we had to deal with Sanders and Favre through the 90s?
sanders is in a category all by himself? which one is that?
f sanders. freaking quitter
What do you care if he quit or not, you are a Bear fan aren't you?
And how can you call him a quitter anyway, he didn’t have the desire to play anymore so he retired, as one of the all-time greats.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
one is the measuring stick by which defensive players are measured by
and the other is a great of his time who holds no real records of distinction.
You kinda have to take into consideration
He played for the Lions who SUCKED the entire time he was there. 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons is pretty impressive. And what exactly makes him a quitter? I don’t want to argue w/ you or anything, just interested in discussing this.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
first off
no where did i say that he wasn’t a great running back. he was. exceptional and a spectacle to watch.
he quit his team at age 30 after coming off a year where he rushed for 1491 yards. it’s not like he was on the decline. he had a few top level years left in him. he had signed a big contract and got a huge signing bonus. then quit. (perhaps a year or two after the big contract). the lions demanded the pro-rated signing bonus back and Sanders refused. they sued him and won. to me, that makes him a deadbeat and a jerk.
Can't disagree w/ the money thing
Retiring and giving some of the bonus back is one thing, refusing to give any of it back is another. I was born in ‘87 so while he was tearin’ it up in the NFL I was watching some games but nothing like I do now. I remember when he retired my Dad was pissed(at the time I had no idea why) and basically told me it’s b/c he was only 30 and was “tired” of playing in the NFL. I wouldn’t go as far as calling him a quitter, but he definitely lost the passion to play. I can’t really blame him tho, 10 years w/ the Lions probably felt like an eternity.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
i'll take it one step further
i don’t give a carp about any of these billionaire babies who “lose the passion” for the game. do you have passion at your job? i don’t. i bs on Chicago based sports teams message boards. but they have millions of dollars so they can afford to quit.
the difference is that with my job, millions of people don’t pay to see me work. if i quit, i haven’t let anyone down but perhaps my boss, who will find someone else to to take my job (which i really like and am not complaining about). millions of fans don’t wake up to see me nor buy a jersey that reads TEMPCHAD on it. also, my teammates wouldn’t be let down. they aren’t counting on me. besides my friends here, no one would care on a professional level if i was gone.
f barry sanders.
You are out of control.
Barry was one of the classiest football players to play the game. because he retired at 30, while he was still healthy, still had his knees, and still on top of his game, you want to bad mouth him?
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
classy? is classy signing a contract and quitting a year later?
then not returning the signing bonus?
what you call classy i call douche bag.
I saw Barry's entire career.
The guy played the game with more class than anyone, besides Payton. Have you ever seen him play?
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
uh yes i did
and there was nothing classy or unclassy about his brand of play. and what he does in his personal life outweighs what he did on the field. please refer to Simpson, OJ. I heard he played the game the right way!
I'm done with you.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
that's a shame
does that mean you won’t respond to any of my posts?
damn, now i’ll never get to know how barry sanders ass tastes.
Sanders
had a shot of establishing himself as the greatest RB of all time. You heard me, GREATEST. Better than Payton, better than Brown, better than anybody. But he retired, instead of chasing the all time record held by Payton, which he would’ve obliterated.
your view on Sanders is quite distorted. everybody knows that he modeled himself after sweetness. you could see that today, as he has avoided the limelight since retiring.
But since you believe he just took the money and quit, I pulled something of wikipedia just for you
Sanders’s retirement came somewhat unexpectedly and was a matter of controversy. Two years beforehand, Sanders had renewed his contract with the Lions for $35.4 million over six years with an $11 million signing bonus. When he retired with several years left on his contract, the Lions demanded that he return $7.3 million of the bonus.6 Sanders refused, and the Lions sued and eventually won a judgment against him. On February 15, 2000, arbitrator Sam Kagel ruled that Sanders was in default of his bonus agreement and owed $5.5 million plus interest over the next three years.7
Several years after retirement, and repeated refusals to discuss the abruptness of it, Sanders finally admitted that the culture of losing in the Lions’ organization was too much to deal with even though he said that he could still play. He explained that it robbed him of his competitive spirit, and he saw no reason to believe things were going to improve. He also stated that there were tears in his eyes as the Lions lost the final game of his career the season before he left, because he knew in his heart he was never going to play another NFL game – “I sobbed for 3 months.”8
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 20, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
oooh wikipedia said it so it must be true!
demand a trade.
not that hard.
freaking QUITTER!!!! WAH!!!!!!!!
this is based on actual facts
so stop trying to be funny, because it makes you sound like an idiot.
you’re pissed because Sanders retired from the lions and tried to keep $7 mil? what a crock of shit! like nobody on this board wouldn’t do that, I sure as hell would.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 21, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions
then you are a classless quitter
and wikipedia is bullshit btw.
and no i don’t accept any of that as fact.
I really think that you have never even seen....
Barry Sanders play and you are just forming your own opinion on rumors or what you think about the man. Because if you actually watched the mans career, which I don’t believe you did, you wouldn’t be saying what you are saying.
Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.
by Haightminow on Apr 21, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
No
I’d be a filthy rich classless quitter.
and if you don’t accept any of it as facts, then obviously, you don’t have any knowledge of what happened.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 21, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
no i do. i know the FACTS
this is not facts:
“Several years after retirement, and repeated refusals to discuss the abruptness of it, Sanders finally admitted that the culture of losing in the Lions’ organization was too much to deal with even though he said that he could still play. He explained that it robbed him of his competitive spirit, and he saw no reason to believe things were going to improve. He also stated that there were tears in his eyes as the Lions lost the final game of his career the season before he left, because he knew in his heart he was never going to play another NFL game – "I sobbed for 3 months."8”
Do you see any quotes? No. this is one writer’s take on a situation and horribly done. You really need to take a class in journalism.
great job
instead of defending your retarded ass opinions, you take a sissy route by breaking down a friggin paragraph.
If you can’t decipher the factual information from the paragraph, you need to stand outside of wherever you are and wait to board the short bus.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 21, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
no sir you don't understand writing
who wrote that? barry sanders? no.
There is no evidence there. Just what some guy said. there are no quote from Sanders. there is no factual evidence that he ever even thought those things.
you are the one that needs the short bus.
and by the way, don’t reply to yourself.
i take back that last sentence
and apologize
wow
I don’t even know where to start. Did you ever see Dick Butkus play? I don’t know how old you are but I never saw the man play, only on highlight reels, and I only have my dad’s word for it. I’m not bad mouthing Butkus, his legend speaks for itself. I never saw him play so I can’t say how great he was.
I did have the pleasure of watching Barry Sanders play. The man is incomparable. There is no player in the history of this league that was better than him with the ball in their hand. Not Payton, not Sayers, not Jim Brown. Nobody. That man could make entire defenses look stupid. Sanders carried that whole team on his back for 10 years. Why shouldn’t he retire? The Lions did nothing to convince him they were trying to compete. Why should he give them that money back? That man made them so much money, he deserved it.
a loser and a quitter
and i have news for you Butkus retired 36 years ago and we still talk about him as the best. Sanders will never be that guy. you know why?
Because he freaking quit.
And for every highlight reel play he made he made 5 crappy decisions that went for negative yards. They guy was perfect for ESPN and people like you.
offense and defense
is apples and oranges. comparing Butkis to Sanders is moot.
while Sanders did quit and take the money and run, he still was one of the best backs and will always be looked at as such.
if i recall (and i’ve been wrong before just ask my wife) didn’t he NOT make a public statement about why he retired? all the talk of him “loosing the passion” was media speculation. what i had heard was he didn’t want to break Payton’s records because he admired him so much. so he left the game once he got close.
but that could be speculation aswell i guess. I dunno
quit as to not take his hero's record
no, i don’t think so.
The lions made multi-millions from ticket sales of people watching Barry
1. They never drafted or traded for anyone to seriously help him win.
2. They were content with people packing their stadiums and all the TV coverage they got from Barry.
3. If you asked me, the Lions OWED him that money, in fact they should of paid him more to play for 10 years with a sorry team and continue to pack their stadiums and sell their merchandise.
6 million is nothing to a pro football team. They sued him to spite him for retiring,
There has been only one player in NFC North History that i ever liked that was not a Chicago Bear…and that was Barry.
by Chitownproduct on Apr 21, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
they were 12 - 4 in 91 and were in the nfc championship
this whole losing thing is crap.
you don’t like it? ask for a trade. don’t quit
He's a loser?
And Butkus was a winner? That man played on some of the shittiest Bears teams. They had Sayers too. The Bears teams in the 60s and 70s sucked ass. It’s pretty obvious you hate Sanders for some reason and I doubt it’s because he quit.
People don’t talk about Sanders as one of the best RBs of all time? Really?
He made crappy decisions? What’s he supposed to do when the entire d line is in the backfield ready to kill him? He wasn’t blessed with an All World O Line like Emmitt was and Payton later in his career.
People like you? You don’t know me for shit so don’t pretend you do.
and the idea that he always had a terrible offensive line is a farce
you can’t rush for 2000 yards with a terrible offensive line.
I’m not saying they were great, I’m just saying that they were ok.
And he was a loser because he quit on his team and on his fans.
I see both...
…sides of the coin really.
Barry WAS an unbelievable back, one of the greatest in fact. BUT, he will never compare to a Jim Brown, or a Walter Payton for the mere fact that he DID quit, under contract, while still in his prime.
Walter never quit, his body quit him. Jim Brown walked away when his contract was up, like a real man does. Barry was “tired of losing.” Forgive me if I am wrong, but Walter played on a few Bears teams that were horrible, yet he still kept plugging away, even without a decent Oline or QB for that matter.
I loved to watch Barry play. He made our D look silly too. There is no question he had talent. The question is did he have HEART. Butkus, Sayers, Brown, Payton…they all had HEART, winning or losing. Barry, did not. And that is the difference. And I’ll take HEART over TALENT any day, and so would any coach.
I don't see
how you could possibly say he didn’t have heart. Do you know Barry Sanders? Because if you do then you have some credibility. If you don’t, then what you just wrote has zero credibility. Why is he “QUIT” when Jim Brown “WALKED AWAY”? Jim Brown was 29 when he retired and he quit football so that he can act in movies.
Unless you have some inside knowledge of his retirement, I think it’s pretty low to question his heart.
he quit under contract and tried to keep the signing bonus
the evidence is right there for you.
Jim Brown wasn’t under contract.
So
you base your hatred for Barry Sanders on the fact that he tried to keep a signing bonus, which was well deserved mind you, on a contract extension after he retired?
This seems to be your only argument with Barry. How does his contract situation prevent him from being the Best #3 pick of all time?
we are having two different conversations right now. let's clarify...
1. he didn’t deserve that signing bonus. you just don’t understand what they are. they are not for time served.
2. it wasn’t just the signing bonus. He quit while under contract at the peak of his career. He said F U to his team and to his fans. That makes him a quitter and a loser.
as far as the best #3 pick of all time, I merely stated that Butkus edges him as Butkus was the best ever at his position while Barry is in the conversation of best ever at his.
Perhaps is he didn’t QUIT, he’s be the clear number 1.
Barry Sanderclaus?
so all the way down this thread it’s Barry Sanders this and Barry Sanders that … Gale Sayers is where it’s at. i’m a little biased, but there really is no Payton or Sanders without Sayers … each has their place in the history of the game and each was considered among the elite backs of their era. Sayers gets the short end out of the three because he had a short, injury-plagued career. But nothing will top 6 TDs in one game … which showcased his ridiculous skills as a returner. the guy could stop and change direction like no other. i love Payton, but Sayers is my favorite.
i think everybody here knows the level of talent that sayers here but
longevity and ability to avoid injury are parts of the analysis. it’s are real shame that sayers couldn’t play longer but that is the nature of sports.
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