New Todd McShay Mock
by tomas21 on Apr 21, 2009 8:50 PM CDT
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Print(49) Chicago Bears Derrick Williams WR Penn State
(99) Chicago Bears (Compensatory) Corvey Irvin DT Georgia
(119) Chicago Bears Captain Munnerlyn* DB South Carolina
(140) Chicago Bears (from Denver through Seattle) Courtney Greene SS Rutgers
(154) Chicago Bears Jonathan Luigs OC Arkansas
(190) Chicago Bears Joel Bell OT Furman
(246) Chicago Bears (compensatory) Mortty Ivy OLB West Virginia
(251) Chicago Bears (compensatory) Phillip Hunt DE Houston
Well, I pretty much hate this mock. The only guy I've heard of is Derrick Williams, but I like him more as a 3rd round pick. He kind of reminds me of Eddie Royal, but he wasn't very productive, so I'd rather take him at 99 and take a FS first.
I don't know any of these guys. I would go into a depression if this is how the draft goes. But I suppose I go into a draft every year because the Bears never taken anyone I've heard of/want after the first round (they take guys I've heard of in the first round, but I still don't want them).
Why we would take a SS and no FS is beyond me. Also, we don't need a center, why take one?
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Agreed
That is a terrible draft and I really hope that they got it completely wrong. I guess the only upgrade we’d be getting is a new offensive coordinator (OC) from Arkansas in the 5th :-)
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by gridiron_assassin on Apr 21, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
ha
I thought the same thing ; )
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Apr 21, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Derrick Williams is actually a reasonable pick at #49
Too many of you assume incorrectly that Johnson (Safety), Robiskie and some of these other “name receivers” are going to be there at #49. They won’t be.
The name I like at #49 is Jarrius Byrd.
According to tomas, you're mistaken...
Robiskie was available, and so was Sean Smith. Also, both of the OLine boys were still there too.
I wouldn't mind Byrd
at 49, I haven’t seen much of him but the couple little videos I saw of him and the scouting reports I read look pretty good. Looks like a good returner too so he might be able to take some of the punt returns from Hester if he continues to falter like he did last year.
I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out yet but a little fun fact about Byrd, his dad Gill Byrd (a former NFL corner back himself) is the Bear’s assistant defensive backs/safeties coach. That would make for an interesting story line that wouldn’t undoubtedly be mentioned at least a couple times during games this season.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Apr 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
we do need a center
Josh Beekman is too small to replace Kreutz.
And Kreutz is about 3 years from retiring (if we’re lucky)
If you want to crown em...
I do think we need to start grooming a center...
I predict that Kreutz’ productivity will fall off a cliff in the next year or two. Center’s get by on reputation for a while, but I think his production is already regressing at a pretty decent speed.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
Yuck.
That mock sucks
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I personally don't see a reason to draft DT at all
Unless there’s somebody we think we can turn into a star. We have Harris, Dvoracek, Harrison, Adams, Toeania, and Idonije so what’s the logic of spending a pick so high on a DT when it’s not a need?
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
we didn't have any pass rush last year
Harris has been paid and played like crap last year. Dusty has never been that good/injury-prone. Harrison might be good. Adams played well last year (he might have a breakout year this year). Toeania isn’t good. Idonije played alright. That is why we might look at DT. We have no reliable great DTs
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Apr 21, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I read
that Idonije was moving back to end (and dropping weight for the move.) Dvoracek is one more injury away from most likely getting cut outright. A DT would be a good pickup and considering JA is still in charge…a very likely pickup.
by Mike Mueller on Apr 22, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
That sucks...
is there any way we can just call dibs on Eric Berry or Taylor Mays in next years draft.
I love Taylor Mays playing style so much
but there’s no way we can get him next year with a 2nd unless he gets injured or has off the field issues
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Apr 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Derrick Williams? Derrick Williams??? DERRICK WILLIAMS?!?!?!
This is why Todd McShay is a piece of excrement. He doesn’t know what football is. “Oh, I see Derrick Williams ran really fast, he must be a top 50 pick. Now where’s my butt plug?”
I will need a new pair of pants if Luigs is there at 154, but I’m pretty sure anyone who has ever seen a football game would take him before then
He was sick at the combine, he ran much better at the pro-day.
And he looks to be much faster on film than his combine time suggests as well. Which lends credence to the notion that he was sick at the combine.
That said, he is not worthy of the #49 pick at all. Not even close.
Did anybody notice that Juaquin Inglesias slips all the way to the 5th round in this mock? It’s like Mcshay forgot about him for a few rounds, and then was like “Oh shit, I forgot about Inglesias, Oh well, I just stash him in the fifth here, that way I don’t have to redo three rounds. Hope nobody notices!”
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
I really like the later picks
not really a fan of Williams, Irvin or Greene, but I love all the other guys. Getting Luigs that late would be awesome, and Ivy and Bell could be projects that might turn into something nice. Captain Munnerlyn just has the greatest name ever. I’d use a 4th round pick on him for that reason only.
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If This is how Todd McShay drafted
He’d be a worse GM than Matt Millen
by Sam Householder on Apr 21, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions
Hmmnn...
Obviously we have a greater need at Free Safety than Strong Safety….
That said, I like Courtney Greene. I would love to grab him in the later rounds.
At this point, I’m hoping we can choose from some of these names…
#49=Luois Delmas or Rashad Johnson, Brian Robiskie, Mohammed Massaquoi
- Louis Murphy, Chris Clemons, Brandon Williams
- or #154= Juaquin Inglesias, Troy Nolan, Ramsen Barden
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
Hmmm...
I don’t know why I ended up with Numbered bullet points…. thats accidental formatting.
The one should be #99
the two should be # 140
And I realize now that I forgot about pick #119, but this is all so confusing now that I won’t bother naming players for that pick. But, probably a DT.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
There is NO CHANCE Johnson or Robiskie or Massaquoi is there at #49
Hence why I think Todd McShay comes down on the ledger of a Derrick Williams. Too many of you live under this delusiona about certain players falling to #49 in what is a weak draft. Johnson will be gone in the early 2nd round and so too will Robiskie and Massaquoi. In fact, Robiskie might sneak into the first round.
Oh come on
NO chance? That’s ridiculous. Those guys all could be gone, but they are far from locks to be off the board. NO chance? Try talking without the absolutes every once in awhile.
How about "I think that Johnson, Robiskie and Mass could be off the board at 49, so we might need to think about someone like Williams? That way you don’t come across as such an ass.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Apr 22, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah....
Absolute statements in a situation like this are pretty foolish. Plenty of people would have said there was no chance that The Lions take a 1st round WR 3 years in a row, the Vikings run out of time and a footrace ensues for the next pick, Aaron Rodgers slips to #24 and the Packers take him, The Texans pass on Reggie Bush, The Browns pass on Quinn and then get him anyhow…
It’s one of the reasons I love the draft, nobody ever really knows what will happen.
On top of that, I’m probably not an idiot. If I’m in a delusional state, you can call it popular opinion. I have been looking at Mock drafts on a daily basis for about a month. Several have had Robiskie or Massaquoi in the 3rd round…. I do think there will be a early second round run on WR’s, but if there are 8 WR’s gone, that’s one every six picks. That would be pretty crazy considering last year there wasn’t one taken in the first round.
I didn’t say I was hoping for Crabtree… I named four players that are projected to go between the end of the first and the late middle of the second and I’m hoping one of them is still there at #49.
I persoanlly would rank the WR’s as follows
1)Crabtree
2)Maclin
3)DHBey
4)Nicks
5)Britt
6)Harvin
7)Robiskie
8)Massaquoi
Now, if there are 7 or 8 WR’s taken in the first 48 picks, I think there is a fair chance that on of the two top safety’s could slip to us.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
Tomas21...since you have Insider
and the rest of us can’t see all of McShay’s mock, please let us know where the following guys were picked:
at safety:
Sean Smith, Rashad Johnson, Louis Delmas, Chris Clemons
at WR:
Iglesias, Massaquoi, Ramses Barden
OL:
Duke Robinson
Herman Johnson
Phil Loadholt
based on McShay’s mock I’m wodering if all these guys that we like are in fact gone by picks 49 and 99.
OK
WRs: Iglesias 5th round-2nd pick to St Louis
Massaquoi: 2-12 to Miami
Barden: 6-2 to St Louis
Robiskie 3-2 St Louis
Sean Smith: 2-25 Baltimore
Johnson: 2-15 Patriots
Delmas: 2-11 SF
Clemons: 4-4 Cleveland
Duke: 3-14 Chargers
Johnson: 4-17 Dallas
Loadholt: 2-22 Minny
DEJESUS!!!
Thanks Tomas,
Based on this info a much better draft would be Robiskie in the 2nd and Clemens end of 3rd and Barden in the 4th or 5th. I’d take that.
by Mike Mueller on Apr 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
When pigs fly
There’s no way the Bears pick Derrick Williams ahead of Smith, Robiskie, Duke, or Loadholt. Any of those four have a much better chance of succeeding in the NFL than a Penn State WR.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
I don't know if McShay really thought about his picks for the Bears or was
just pulling a name out of a hat. Look who we passed on to take Williams. Supposedly we’d take Williams over guys like Robiskie, Loadholt, and Michael Johnson the DE. I don’t see us taking Williams at all unless it’s like the 5th round. Heck I’d even take LeSean McCoy over Williams in the 2nd round. Pair McCoy with Forte and our backfield would be ridiculous. As for pick #99 supposedly we pass on guys like Louis Murphy, Chris Clemons, and Urbik the OG. I don’t know much about Corey Irvin the DT we take but I don’t think we take him over those 3. Plus McShay has Iglesias falling to the 5th round. I would think the Bears would take him in the 4th if he’s still there even if they do pick a WR in round 2. Then we take Luigs in the 5th and pass on Zach Follett the LB. I don’t see that happening either. There are a lot of things about this draft that make me wonder if McShay even thought about the picks, especially for the Bears. It won’t shake out this way, so don’t sweat it.
McShay is worthless
You would think that when your only job is to do mock drafts and shit, that you would actually research every team and find out what their needs are. If the Bears don’t address the safety position til the 4th, that’s a mistake.
This is why one person cannot possibly do an entire mock by himself.
There’s 8 divisions in football… you should have at the very least 8 draft experts working on a mock draft, to get a better grasp of every teams needs.
16 experts would be ideal: 2 teams per person.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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That's a good idea
It’s even worse when you throw in Kiper, too. He seems to be living off his name more than anything lately. And don’t even get me started on Mayock from NFL network.
Mel does a great job
The PROBLEM is that ESPN wants to make him into a celebrity like so many of their hipster assclown talking heads. Mel Kiper needs to be able to be Mel Kiper. No glitz, no glamor. Just let Mel be Mel. I would LOVE to see ESPN dump its current draft format in favor of a straighforward host panel of Kiper, Mortenson and somebody like Sal Palatonio. NO FRIGGIN CHRIS BERMAN or the other ESPN celebrities. And none of this dipshit Todd McShay, who is only there to build false controversy with Mel.
You're my boy BLou!
I can’t agree with you more…
Kiper seems to me the most knowledgable draft “expert”, and from what I can recall he always schools both McShay and Mayock as far as accuracy in the Mock drafts. McShay is in love with the SEC and will forcast the 3rd best SEC prospect at a position higher than the #1 prospect from the Big10, PAC, or Big 12
I agree that there needs to be something done with the Draft coverage, maybe take their radio broadcast team of John Clayton and Colin Cowherd(I know ‘herd’ is annoying, but he does a good job on the radio broadcast) the choice for TV.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Apr 22, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to show me some
numbers to make me believe that Kiper schools the other two in accuracy. Kiper himself said if he gets 8 of the 1st round picks correct it is a good day. That 8 assumes you will probably hit 2-3 of the first 4 picks as givens.
If 8 is a great day you aren’t schooling anybody.
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Disagree completely
Look at the relative success rates of NFL General Managers and Player Personnel Directors in the first round of the draft. Fact is the majority of first round picks wind up not meeting expectations over the long-haul, to include a substantial percentage within that majority who can be classfied flat out busts.
Mel Kiper does a solid job of giving the pros and cons of each prospect. The problem is too many people want to lock in on mock draft slotting. Who cares about mock drafts. Actually READ what Mel has to say about individual prospects. He is typically right on the money in his evaluative description of skill set and translation of that skill set to the NFL game. And is at least on par with the performance of the best front office’s in football who should be much more expert than a Mel Kiper as their basic job expectation.
No...
He’s Sparticus!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Apr 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Still if he is going to say Kiper blows away McShay and Mayock on accuracy
he some numbers are needed. I’m not arguing his statement, I just want to see some proof before I go with that assumption.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Isn't the reason he's famous start...
With him predicting the first two rounds exactly when he was 19 or something. Has either mayock or mcshay done that?
Awww, man what am I supposed to do about my sig now?
I have no idea
and if he did great, but if he averages 7 right a round and the other two average 5-6 around that isn’t blowing them out the water.
On the flip side, Kiper had done many more drafts his average could be a pick or two lower just due to the number of them he did.
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Yes it does
Even using your statistics that would mean that Kiper is at least 1-2 picks per round more accurate than McShay or Mayock.
If Jay Cutler throws for 3,000 yards this year(roughly the same as Orten in 2008), but throws 1 TD a game more than Orton, wouldn’t you say that Cutler was vastly superior to Orton, of course you would.
I’m not saying that Kiper is 100% accurate, but I am saying in my opinion he seems to be more accurate than either McShay and Mayock.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Apr 23, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
and thats fine
all I asked was to see some numbers before we take that as fact.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Not to mention
they each change their mock drafts every other week. If you basing your mocks on what you hear a team will do, that really isn’t even basing your pick on knowledge it is basing it on rumors and inside knowledge.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
There
is probably a difference between what guys like Kiper think a team should do, and what he thinks they will do. Mock drafts are usually attempts at predicting what will happen. Factored into that is the relative stupidity of some GMs (Al Davis, Millen, etc), the tendency of others, and rumors/info circulated about who might like who.
If they let Kiper do a mock where he picked who he thinks each team SHOULD select, I’m sure it would be completely different.
DEJESUS!!!
absolutely
Mayock did a draft where he had Heyward-Bey going at 5 to Oakland. He said he’d never do that, but stated the Davis is very big on size and speed and that fit DHB.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
Screw the mock drafts and focus instead on the evaluative report
I could care less where some draft guru tells me Player X and Player Y should be picked. What is of most important relevance is what the draft guru has to say about the strenghts, weaknesses and NFL projectability of each prospect. Mel Kiper is actually VERY GOOD at this.
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