NightThoughts: Pettigrew and the Lions
by ChiFan13 on Apr 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT
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The stories are not related. Instead, I have two things I want to throw out here and see what you think.
What should the Lions do with their 1st selection?
NFLDraftBible.com came out with a story about how the Lions will sign Stafford to a deal today. I don't trust that source since the "positive" test results bit, so I'm not linking to it, and Windy City Gridiron does not endorse the story.
My question to you is who should the Lions pick with the #1 overall? Should they get Stafford, the potential savior? Do they go with Jason Smith to help their OL woes? Or, do they need a tough, physical linebacker such as Aaron Curry? Who would you pick if you're the Lions GM?
What if Pettigrew falls?
Yesterday, WCG and I were on GoogleTalk and doing our best to avoid real work (in other words, talking about the draft). We were discussing this draft done by SB Nation bloggers and some of the surprises. One name we discussed was Brandon Pettigrew, the Oklahoma State TE.
My question to WCG was this: If Pettigrew falls to use at #49, do we grab him? My answer was an emphatic "yes". I realize that there's a slim chance of this happening, but for the sake of this argument, let's say he's there at #49.
On the roster right now, we have Desmond Clark (6'3, 249 lbs., entering 12th year), Greg Olsen (6'5, 255 lbs., entering 3rd year), and Kellen Davis (6'7, 262 lbs., entering 2nd year). Pettigrew is 6'6 and 260 lbs. He is known for his stellar blocking and catching skills and is the most complete TE in the 2009 class.
Why do I think this could work? We've shored up our OL to an extent, but we don't know how they'll play together. Olsen's forte (pun intended) is not blocking, and Des Clark is getting up there in age. If we put Pettigrew and Olsen out on the field together, we've significantly boosted our passing game. Des Clark could be trade bait for a position player we need (WR, for example).
What do you think? Would you be happy if the Bears picked up Pettigrew?
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Kellen Davis is an exceptional athlete with awesome size.
I’m willing to bet that he develops better than any of our previous TE projects in the last decade or so (Olsen doesn’t count, he was a 1st round pick).
Therefore… I don’t see the Bears selecting a TE that high, unless they thought he was hands down, unanimously, the best player available…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 22, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so if we have
Olsen, and Davis then why not trade des and a couple back ups, say hunter and one more for a pick or two? Then grab a TE to develope?
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great in Madden football.
But, who’s gonna give you a draft pick for Dez Clark? Who’s gonna trade anything for Dez Clark? Especially if other teams know he’ll likely be cut in June after the Bears hypothetically draft his replacement?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if
not being to serious here, but only if we were sending three te’s out to catch w/ hester being deep man.
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be really hard to block
Because when it comes to sports, we die harder than Bruce Willis.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 22, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A stretch
I think it would cause the Bears brass more trouble than good, and ultimately it would be difficult to trade for a proven WR.
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by propheteer on Apr 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... there would be very little trade value for Dez
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not by himself anyways
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lions pick
since they cant trade it, and seeing as how improvement is number one concern then I say take safest player.
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
will not happen
the Bills are locked onto Pettigrew. but no, I would not want him. we are set at TE, and according to Lovie and [TE Coach] Rob Boras, Greg Olsen took major strides in his blocking abilities last season. Dez is a solid blocker and is a deep threat when left open. Kellen Davis looked good in preseason. Unless we can convert Pettigrew or Olsen to WR, I say no.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you move Olsen to a possession WR, yes. Otherwise, no.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
by #23 on Apr 22, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the point of him being great is his matchups against linebackers.
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First
The Lions should take their biggest need in a defensive player with Curry. He’s going to be great and is a absolute safe bet and a way to keep the fans happy. The Lions are actually capable of scoring—they just got waxed on the other side of the ball. Keep Culpepper one more year and try to find a guy with their second pick (early second rnd) that they feel can be worked into the mix.
Second, the Bears taking Pettigrew would be stellar but, like everyone is saying, we wouldn’t get much for Dez at this point in his career. Olsen would be a decent compliment to Hester as we saw last year. Basically make it work if he is there, why not?
by Stellarpete22 on Apr 22, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
curry publicly said he would take less money than Jake long did!
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by chi-town on Apr 22, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
Bears just don’t need Pettigrew. And I think the odds on him dropping all the way to us are pretty close to zero. And if he somehow DID…then if we had a sense a team out there was desperate to get him, we could always try trading the pick.
by JohnPaul on Apr 22, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If JA drafted a TE with our 49th pick
he would risk becoming to TE’s what Millen was to WR’s. If Pettigrew was still there, which I doubt, then JohnPaul has the right idea, IMO, with trading the pick to someone who is desperate to get him. It would have been awesome to see a 2 TE set with Olsen and Pettigrew in there. I just think that our needs are to great at other positions for us to grab a luxury pick like that.
by Fridge72 on Apr 22, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If I am the Lions I take
Jason Smith and take the Miami Dolphins model for rebuilding: Shore up the O-line, get a proven vet QB (Culpepper) and then address QB in the second or later rounds. Who knows, maybe Freeman falls to them at 21 or whatever their second pick is. Then you got the Cleveland model from a couple years ago (Not that that worked out too well…)
by GallopingGhost on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
???????????
Are you really talking about Pettigrew falling to 49 ?
by Hubstorm22Xxx23 on Apr 22, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Pettigrew
Yeah I’d take him, I like your breakdown on it: Dez is old, Davis is a bit of an unknown why not have two potentially game-breaking TEs instead of one.
by GallopingGhost on Apr 22, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well..
I think anything besides WR, DB, in the first round is suicide. Unless there is a FA WR that Jerry thinks is gonna dorp out of the sky or he is positive a 3rd or higher round receiver will produce or he can draft someone somebody needs for one of their receievers. We NEED a WR from somewhere..4 tight ends is not the answer, like i said, unless he has a trick up his sleeve to get a WR.
by Chitownproduct on Apr 23, 2009 3:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But, a lot of people
have been discussing best available vs. need. I purposefully gave them a situation of the best available at a position of abundance for the Bears.
It sounds like only three of us would take Pettigrew at the moment.
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by ChiFan13 on Apr 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pettigrew was still there at 49
He would most likely be best available IMO. Not sure how the Bears would get a #1 or 2 WR for Dez or Davis.
As a longtime Bears fan, I’ve always been a big fan of drafting TE. It’s still going to take me a while to get used to having a QB that can stay off his back long enough to throw a deep ball and do it accurately. A 2 TE formation that included Olsen and Pettigrew with Forte in the backfield would be very hard for defenses to cover. Though substitute Dez in there with some decent WR’s and a QB who can get the ball down field and I think they still give defenses trouble.
The Bears offense is shaping up to be a pretty exciting unit this year. Can’t wait to watch.
by Fridge72 on Apr 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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