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First Day Recap

First, let me explain something to you all. This is Jerry's draft board, courtesy of SackMan:

Instead of throwing left and getting a Michael Okwo or right and getting another Dan Bazuin, Jerry missed the board completely.

#23 had a link that had an interview with Jerry Angelo. In it, he supposedly said that he had his eye on a pass rusher and Robiskie, both of whom were taken. Here's my problem with Jerry's philosophy: If you're drafting in the mid second round, you HAVE to be open to possibilites. You cannot lock into one or two players and say "that's it." You don't trade down for crappier talent out of the cesspool that is the 2009 draft class.

BTW - There seems to be some confusion about the draft start time tomorrow. It starts at 9 AM CDT.

Anyways, follow me inside for my Big Board.

UPDATE (10:36 CDT): Ohio S Mike Mitchell was told to stay close to his phone by the Bears. He was drafted at #47 by Oakland. THIS was the defensive guy the Bears were looking at. Unbelievable.

Star-divide

Before I get to my Big Board, let me congratulate all you who participated in the WCG Mock Draft. You got more picks right than the SB Nation heads!

First Round Mock Draft Standings:

1. ChiFan13 (Twelve: Stafford, J. Smith, A. Smith, Raji, Maybin, Jenkins, Freeman, Harvin, Jerry, Davis, Nicks, Britt)

2. WCG (Nine: Stafford, J. Smith, Maybin, Jenkins, Cushing, Freeman, Jerry, Davis, Nicks)

3. WCG Community (Four: Stafford, J. Smith, Jenkins, Freeman)

4. SB Nation heads (Three: J. Smith, A. Smith, Maybin)

Players Still Available:

WR:

Juaquin Iglesias
Louis Murphy
Derrick Williams
Brandon Tate
Mike Wallace
Ramses Barden

OG:

Duke Robinson
Herman Johnson

DE:

Michael Johnson

CB:

D.J. Moore
Coye Francies (Cover 2 corner - Jerry might be interested in this guy. I am)

S:

Rashad Johnson
Chip Vaughn
Chris Clemons (from Clemson)
Emanuel Cook

Use the section below to vent or say anything you wish. Who do you want to see Jerry grab tomorrow? Do you agree with Jerry's strategy on day one? Do any of you think he's a secret genius? Answer the last question carefully.

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There's actually quite a bit of talent still available.

And it’s pretty feasible that JA could get two-three starters out of this. I’d love to see Rashad Johnson a Bear; likewise, if we could package our 4s for a middle 3, we could land a quality reciever or even Duke Robinson, a top guard prospect who, in a few years when Orlando Pace retires, could shift to right tackle. Then take Barden with the 99, to give us the big receiever we need to complement our speed (Hester) and slot (Earl) guys.

In other words, there’s still hope.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 25, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not overreacting

I think this is a decent move. You should consider trading down if all the prospects at that point are pretty much the same value. To me, there’s plenty of talent left in this draft and you seemed to list a few above.

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by propheteer on Apr 25, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly

now I’m going to sleep. goodnight people.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 25, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

None of the players that were taken after 49 made me cringe at passing on them. Unger was actually a nice pick-up by Seattle, but I don’t think we were looking to take a center that high.

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- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we could trade to 4ths for a 3rd

we could feasibly end up with

Micheal Johnson
Rashad Johnson
Louis Murphy/Ramses Barden

I would be ecstatic if we did this.

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Good ol' KO

by thecoolest on Apr 25, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually would be too

I would take Murphy over Barden, but otherwise I totally agree.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Michael Johnson might be the most talented from our list.

John Gruden even went so far as to call him a Julius Peppers clone. I would love to see the Bears make him their first pick.

Rashad Johnson is becoming one of my favorites for his playmaking ability… but his size is a concern, and may… just may… push him down even further into the 3rd round.

Duke Robinson could become a very good guard in this league… and the WR options are all a wash to me, with Iglesias leading the way (he makes plays), and Murphy as #2 (6’3" 207, 4.47… his size and speed are awesome).

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 25, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

After Gruden coined Tebow as "concrete cyanide"

I don’t listen to him anymore :)

Rashad would be good, and frankly, I’d be happy with Duke Robinson too at this point. Watch out for Coye Francies tomorrow….supposed to be a strict Cover-2 CB. Would not even be a little surprised to see the Bears grab him.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson's a physical freak

But had almost zero production. Unless Marinelli can get in his head and turn him around, I think it would be a waste, unless he drops into the 5th or 6th.

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- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think we got enough

i thought we were targeting mohammed massaquoi in the second, and we were in a prime position to take him. i thought it was silly to trade down.

it’s kind of silly to lock in to a couple players and just trade down if they’re not available. The draft never turns out like you plan, and if Jerry keeps doing this when players he wants aren’t available, he’s gonna wind up with 10 6th and 7th round picks.

if we’re gonna target a WR now, we need to take brandon tate. he’s the only receiver left with the most upside. He has the same injury reggie wayne had when he was drafted and i think he can be a steal. he was supposed to be first round talent before he hurt his knee.

by Nih1lus on Apr 25, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

The trade was crap. No way a 3rd and a 4th is equal in value to a mid-2nd. If we had like the 30th pick in the second round, then maybe this would be okay. But for mid-2nd round? The trade was crap.

That being said, all is not lost. There are at least 6 players on the board right now that everyone basically had graded at no worse than 2nd-round talent, and at least one (Michael Johnson) that is a borderline 1st rounder. If nothing else, we should be able to get someone solid at our #4 pick in the third round tomorrow morning. After that, who knows…it’s a crapshoot.

by JohnPaul on Apr 25, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You only thought we were targeting Massaquoi...

because our local sportswriters wanted the Bears to pick him. That’s it.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 25, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats true

but as a receiver, i would have been fine with getting him.

by Nih1lus on Apr 25, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have been more pissed

Massaquoi drops balls. Rashied Davis drops balls. Therefore, Massaquoi is a no no.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't like Massaquoi either

I agree that trading down was a good idea when the receivers JA liked were off the board. The other reason it makes sense is the amount of $$$ you spend from the 2nd round to the 3rd & 4th is pretty substantial and it makes more financial sense, especially since the talent level in those rounds is very similar. Everyone has been so excited about the Cutler/Pace signings that we forget we still have to look for a veteran QB as a backup which could cost us some bucks. If Cutler gets hurt early, we only have Caleb Hanie and Basanez as backups. I like Hanie long term but they are making moves to win now and I’m not sure he’s ready.

by BearFan611 on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I was rather disappointed he didn’t change his selection this morning :)

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprise he didn't flip-flop it 3 times already.

What a douche for a sports writer.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 25, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

I was fully expecting a new pick this morning. Maybe tomorrow he’ll have Louis Murphy.

Actually, I take that back. Whoever he picks, I want Jerry to do the opposite.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick Iglesias

WIth Robiskie off the board, Iglesias was the player i wanted the bears to take, he is still on the board. Plus Massaquoi has a problem with the drops, never a good trait for a receiver.

by MrPants on Apr 25, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh well

nothing we can do now. jerry’s gotta make some picks with what he’s got. Hopefully he won’t pull some “wtf?” picks, like what undead al did with Heyward-Bey. so stupid, especially since crabtree was on the board. the 49ers got out of that jumping for joy.

by Nih1lus on Apr 25, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Undead Al

lmao. That’s good.

But I agree. If he wanted to trade down, he better make these picks count.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't sleep on the Terp

:)

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Al lives forever

Cause as long as he’s alive, it’s one less team the Bears have to worry about. Now if we could just get them into the NFC…

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by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"if Jerry keeps doing this when players he wants aren’t available, he’s gonna wind up with 10 6th and 7th round picks."

Uh, that might be just what he wants, because Jerry Angelo is an [expletive] moron who is only still employed because he had Matt Millen to make him look like a genius by comparison.

I don’t think any of those receivers are potential #1 guys, or even borderline #2 guys. Their ceilings are Rashied Davis, tops. Same with Robiskie, a pick that only works for Cleveland because he’s a local guy, and Harvin, who I’m thrilled went to the Vikings. Duke Robinson would be an okay pick, and I’ll be honest, I don’t know much if anything about the safeties that aren’t Rashad Johnson.

So I think we’re in for 7 guys that suck, 5 of whom don’t make it out of camp, and 1 guy who turns out to be a starter, and then we’ll hear how good Jerry is at finding late-round gems, which is total bullshit.

The man is an ass-clown, pure and simple.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sunday

Got my eye on 2 Michael Johnson & Louis Murphy.

Duke could be great value.

Finally → predicting Braylon Edwards is traded for a 4th round pick.

by Jesse07 on Apr 25, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on

a 4th round pick?

by mike b on Apr 25, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you do

Edwards for a 3rd, a 4th, and a 5th?

As opposed to say, Massaquoi or Murphy?

I sure as hell would.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe 4 4th's

lol

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOPE - its just going to take 1 4th

Randy Moss was traded for a 4th. New coaches in Cleveland are bringing in there own players and drafted 2 WR. Philly, NYG, and Tennesse all needed WR but filled their needs in the draft. By drafting 2 players before trading Braylon, Clebeland tremedously drove down his value. Remember Braylon comes with a big contract, and it would be better to get something for him then for him to be a cap casualty.

by Jesse07 on Apr 26, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

clayton

said on the radio that the giantts offered a 2nd and a 5th for edwards that was turned down.

by mike b on Apr 26, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade

Jerry has proven he does not understnad how to work the draft he thinks he can find gems like nobody else. the last 3 years have stunk, jerry needs to go

by arizona jim on Apr 25, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

JA...

has had his best off-season as The Bears GM. Cutler, Pace, and Shaffer were all outstanding additions and deserve recognition from all Bear fans. Remember two months ago, when it seemed like the entire 09 season was depending on a near perfect draft. I don’t believe anyone felt that way yesterday. That is a remarkable accomplishment in my opinion. If people don’t feel like Jerry drafts well, then those folks should be even more pleased with what he has done the last two months because, he has went out and acquired proven players over take his chances in the draft.

by rdent4hof on Apr 26, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least the Blackhawks are winning -_-

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone know where I can get a Ditka Bears sweater?

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by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 25, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 2009 draft will go down as one of the weakest in many years...

I give Jerry Angelo credit for what he is doing. If he thinks anybody the Bears would have picked at #49 would have been a reach at that point in the draft, then that’s good enough for me. It was doubtful that anybody we picked at #49 was going to come in and have an impact as a rookie anyway. I’d rather get GOOD football prospects who may take some time to develop in the 3rd round as opposed to picking the next Dan Bazuin in the 2nd.

Bears will have a good day on Sunday.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will give you credit

You called Byrd in the 2nd. I did not think he was 2nd round worthy, but he was.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jarius Byrd would have been nice...

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem w/ that strategy.

Robiskie is a probable starter and would have looked great w/ Olsen, Hester, Cutler Forte.

Instead of Angelo thinking, “Damn, I have no clue what to do now that they took the two guys I was looking at. Whatever shall I do??? Trade down!!!”

I think it was more, "I’m Jerry Angelo. I want to trade down and get more picks. That’s my modus operandi. I really want to do that. However, there are two players that I think would be great for our team, and I’ll wait and see if they fall to us. Darn, they didn’t. Now I get to do what I wanted to all along.’

Obviously, either is possible, but I think the second more likely (or, at least more optimistic, and well, hell, I’m starting to come back from being Mr. Pessimistic.)

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by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

I’m not used to this….not really sure what to make of your post…..too positive.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angelo clearly thought nobody on the board was worthy of being picked at #49

I don’t think it was a case of him looking to add picks more than it was not wanting to reach on anybody at #49. Keep in mind the 2009 draft will go down as one of the weakest drafts in many years.

I feel good that the Bears will come away with 2 good developmental players in the 3rd round.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he thought no one was worthy of being taken at #49

He’d better not take one of those shitty WRs listed above, who aren’t worthy to be taken at #68. I even listed Massaquoi earlier because I didn’t realize a team had been dumb enough to take him already. There is almost no good that can come from this move.

How much action did our Jerry Angelo trademark “late-round gems” see last year? How much action did the 3rd – 7th round picks, the ones that he supposedly has a keen eye for, actually get?

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

It is doubtful that anybody the Bears would have picked at #49 or who they will pick in the 3rd and 4th round is going to have an immediate impact as a rookie. What you are looking for in this weak draft is “projectable” talent that can help you down the road. There are a crapload of no-names that got picked in this 2nd round. A lot of these no-names will be busts, just like a lot of names in that 1st round will be.

I’m fine with Angelo’s strategy. It is very dumb to reach at #49. Angelo has learned the lesson the hard way I believe.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with three players

Rashad Johnson, Sean Smith, and Duke Robinson. All three would have been immediate starters IMO.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our talent at safety is so poor

That any of the top safeties in this weak class have a chance to start for us next year.

Michael Johnson could be a guy who has another Mark Anderson type of rookie year for us.

Offensive lineman are always a good idea, since we almost never draft them. And a guy like Duke Robinson could be a nice run blocker in the NFL. Herman Johnson is just a mountain of a man, who might be way too slow in the NFL. We’ll see how he pans out.

The WRs… well… ugh. I think we want a WR so badly, that we’re putting these average prospects on a pedestal.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 25, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Your description of MJ worries me, because that’s what I see in him too. I don’t want a one-year wonder. I want a mainstay.

OL….yeah, Duke might be our first pick. And I’d be totally fine with that. I don’t want to risk Herman Johnson if Duke’s around.

And your points about the WR’s are valid. I see two valid WR options left: Louis Murphy and Brandon Tate. Tate’s an idiot, so Murphy’s the one I’d like the Bears to get the most.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give Angelo credit for not reaching on a wide receiver

Truth be told, I will be surprised if Angelo takes a wide receiver with either of the 3rd round picks. My hunch is that he will take a safety and a defensive end prospect, and worry about finding a wide receiver developmental project later on.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

It looks like Jerry Angelo disagrees. I’ll defer to his insight as opposed to what the cyberspace draft geek fraternity has to say on the matter. I need to remind myself sometimes that just because a player gets a nice write-up in a draft magazine or on a football website may have little correlation to what NFL front office people think.

Also, the stock of Johnson and Smith has taken a hit. Not sure the reasons, but both those players have seen their status go down.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

That’s absolutely fine. You can take potshots at me all you want to big guy, because I would have NEVER, EVER drafted such travesties as Dan Bazuin or Michael Haynes.

Jerry Angelo’s opinion really doesn’t hold a lot of ground either, so hitch your horse to his wagon for all I care.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't criticize you at all

What I did say was that as fans we often get carried away with what we read that is produced by other fans and the so-called “draft experts.”

It is my opinion that Jerry Angelo entered this draft refusing to reach on a player at #49. Clearly the Bears have needs, but clearly also Angelo wasn’t comfortable with who was available at the price of spending the #49 pick on them. The LAST thing we need in Chicago is for a failed 2nd round pick.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I understand that.

HOWEVER, just because a player falls does not mean that they’re terrible. I think Rashad Johnson would have been a fine 2nd round pick. Other than that, yeah, I would have traded down. I’m not sold that Jerry is completely on top of things. I hope that I’m completely wrong and he wows us tomorrow.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 25, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is that the last thing they need?

wouldn’t failed third and fourth round picks (the two picks they got for it) be just as bad

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably

wouldn’t have drafted Devin Hester either…. or Mark Anderson who while he’s struggled was integral to the Bears making the Super Bowl his rookie season

just sayin, its easy with hindsight to judge Angelo, but you got to give credit to picks you wouldn’t have made either that worked out well

by DartmouthCubsFan on Apr 26, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I do

He’s made good picks. But he also has made some really goofy ones too.

My point was that I don’t trust Jerry’s judgment. NE has four 2nd round picks and stays there while we drafted out of the 2nd. I’ll take NE’s scouts any day over ours.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NE lost Pioli

not the same guy picking as in years past

by DartmouthCubsFan on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Come on, were any of us really thrilled when they took Hester in the 2nd round? I remember quite clearly MF’ing them up and down when they took a guy with no clear position with their 2nd pick, and he’s worked out pretty well.

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by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Mitchell? Seriously?

The guy that Kiper was ragging on Oakland for selecting? The guy who wasn’t even listed in the draft guide? Geez.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 25, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw Mike Mitchell play in the MAC for Frank Solich at Ohio

He actually was quite impressive. There have been a lot of good football players come out of the MAC (I’m a NIU grad). Dan Bazuin sucked, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t good football players in the MAC. Mitchell will go a good job in the NFL. I have no idea whether he was worthy of the #47 pick in what is a very weak draft, but I guess time wil tell.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy bejeesus

Not even I pegged Angelo for something THAT dumb.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you know more about Mike Mitchell than Jerry Angelo and his scouting department?

How is that?

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things Jerry Angelo's scouting department has given us since 2005

Chris Williams
Dan Bazuin
Garrett Wolfe
Michael Okwo
Dusty Dvoracek
Cedric Benson
Mark Bradley

That’s all on day one. You should not have seven terrible picks on day one, you know, assuming that Matt Forte doesn’t end up being a one-year wonder, AND I’m giving Earl Bennett the benefit of the doubt. I’m sorry that one year of Mark Anderson has convinced you that Jerry Angelo is good at this draft thing, but he has done nothing to make me think he’s actually competent.

So do I know more about Mike Mitchell than Jerry Angelo and his scouting department? I haven’t seen proof that Jerry Angelo and his scouting department know anything.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that were the case

all of his picks would bust…Plus dunno why you have Williams up there already…..

by CloudyFuture on Apr 25, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's easy to read your draft guides and be pretend GM who is smarter than Angelo

I’m not going to defend Jerry Angelo. No question that he has made some dubious picks over the years. But then so too have 99.9% of NFL front offices.

You know nothing about Mike Mitchell, other than the fact that the draft guide lying on your kitchen table doesn’t include a synopsis of his strenghts, weaknesses, etc.

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"No question that he has made some dubious picks over the years."

He has arguably made more dubious picks than any front office that isn’t the Detroit Lions, and no one will call him out on it – enough dubious picks that by all rights should have gotten him fired after 2006.

I remember a story once, about a guy everyone saw as a 7th-round talent that got drafted in the 2nd round, just like Mike Mitchell. His name was Tavaris Jackson. He’s certainly proven himself as worth that 2nd rounder, right?

As for Chris Williams, Angelo picked him over Jeff Otah, who went to Carolina (who may have made the playoffs last season, I don’t QUITE recall), and then he had a back injury that Chicago KNEW about, and was a PR disaster. That’s why he’s up there.

Oh, and he’s being moved out of position in favor of 35-year-old Orlando Pace after one season. Yeah, that looks like a great pick in hindsight.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 25, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bears have never been big players in FA or in trades...

…under Angelo, but have gone 69-59 in his tenure as GM (and 45-35 since he got control over the roster from Jauron and hired his own head coach). I think it’s a stretch to say he should be fired over his drafting.

by cwyers on Apr 25, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angelo has done a fine job under the constraints he has had to work with

The McCaskeys are loathe to push payroll to the salary cap limit or to hire the best and brightest and deepest talent pool in the scouting and front office departments. Generally speaking, Angelo has drafted quite well and has put his stamp on this organization. And his legacy stands great chance of being most notably stamped with the Jay Cutler trade. The Bears are a franchise who have undervalued the Quarterback position for decades and lived in denial about the quality of the incumbents on the roster. It took Angelo to break that decades long dilemma via a bold and visionary trade to get Jay Cutler.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If everyone saw him as a 7th round talent...

it’s still a bad pick to draft him in the 2nd. Every player has a value and you need to rank them according to your grades, and also have an idea of where other GM’s are ranking them.

Regardless if Mike Mitchell ends up being a HOF player, it was still a bad pick in the 2nd round, just like Tavaris was a bad pick. Besides, when did Tavaris Jackson become any good (no, a couple of good early season games doesn;t mean anything)???

by Neal Anderson on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is an unimpressive list, BUT

The book’s still out on WIlliams. Bradley looked like an outstanding pick until that knee inury. Dvoracek has been very good when healthy, even though that hasn’t been the case too often. And nobody saw Benson falling out of the top 10 or so, so I don’t blame Jerry for that. Okwo, Wolfe and Bazuin were beyond bad though.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 25, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think we got enough

but i get the trade, to some degree. if the people you want aren’t at your spot, and you are unable to trade up for them, and after tons of evaluations you don’t see much of a difference between who’s there at #49 versus who you can get at #68, you trade down and pick up an extra pick. now, i think we should have gotten more (like an extra #3 or 4 next year), but that’s a different story. my guess is, michael johnson might be the pick at 68 if he’s there (maybe the best player available, plus both wale and anderson are FAs after this season), and the best of rashad johnson, duke robinson, or the WRs who are left when we pick again.

by guy incognito on Apr 25, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

according to the TRADE VALUE CHART

the Bears got a very bad deal. Out of the 410points that #49 was worth, the Bears got back only 334points. They should have received a mid 4th round pick next year to make it more equitable.

by gillrowdy on Apr 25, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one uses the trade value chart

fuck, the fact that the Chiefs offered the Lions #3 and a 4th for #20 and #33 (but of course, they turned it down) shows a changing of the guard. the trade value chart is dead.

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by thecoolest on Apr 25, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be resurrected

when they get a rookie salary scale implemented in the nexy CBA

by torch on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

I don’t mind trading back but I think WE GOT FLEECED! No way a mid 2nd gains a high 3rd and 4th. Mid 2nd should be worth a 3rd and at least a 4th AND 5th. Even on the out dated value chart we got hosed. Don’t mind the move Jerry, but do you have any idea what that pick was worth???

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sources tell me

that the Bears are targeting Juaquin Iglesias with their first pick tomorrow….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 25, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess is the Bears pick a Safety and Defensive Lineman with the two 3rd round picks

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by BLou on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the trade

This draft isn’t very top-heavy, but there are a lot of high-ceiling sleeper-types that will be available in the mid rounds. Michael Johnson in the 3rd? Are you kidding? That would be a dream come true. I want a receiver as much as the next guy, but he’s too good to pass up if the Bears can get him. If the Bears get him and one of those receivers listed, I’d be ecstatic. And if Michael Johnson is gone, Duke Robinson and Rashad Johnson would be great picks as well

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 25, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could really see the Bears drafting Derrick Williams

and it’s making me sick to my stomach.

And I think there’s a better chance we take Sidbury over Johnson if we were to take a DE.

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Good ol' KO

by thecoolest on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Not to mention Briggs, Tillman, Berrian, Vasher, Orton, Alex Brown, Mark Anderson (that rookie year alone makes him an excellent 5th rounder), Josh Beekman, Corey Graham, Kevin Payne.
Also found Bobby Wade, Justin Gage, Chris Harris, who have been really good finds, even though they had their breakthroughs after leaving the Bears.
Angelo’s 1st rounders have been pretty terrible (Terrell, Columbo, Haynes, Rexy, Benson vs. Olsen and Harris – book’s still out on Williams), but in the later rounds he’s been pretty damn good.

by Poloplaya14 on Apr 25, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is not a good GM at all, I'm sorry.

I do not trust this man’s judgement, and I think we as the collective WCG blog could make less asinine selections.

Corey Graham sucks, I’m sorry, but he just does. He’s probably getting burned for 12 yards on 3rd and 8 as we speak. Payne is also not particularly good at all.

“Also found Bobby Wade, Justin Gage, Chris Harris, who have been really good finds, even though they had their breakthroughs after leaving the Bears.” – so he picked guys who didn’t fit into the system, a great job.

Briggs: 2003; Tillman, 2003; Berrian, 2004; Vasher, 2004; Orton, 2005 (traded); Alex Brown, 2002; Mark Anderson (one good year); Beekman, quality depth

And when viewed as a WR, Hester was seen as a 3rd or 4th round talent, yes. After watching a season of that, I can only wonder why that is. To be honest, and I know insulting Hester here is sacrilege, I’m pretty sure we could have gotten him in the 3rd round.

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by ES46NE10 on Apr 26, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he's a wr

and very part time returner that may be right

by mike b on Apr 26, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mel was/is right on Devin Hester

Hester if he were picked to play wide receiver is little more than middle round worthy.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not looking forward to playing harvin and AP twice a year

i’m not mad about the trade as a bunch of guys i expected the bears to take at 49 are still on the board.

by No It All on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Percy Harvin will be a bust in the NFL

I’ve thought that from the beginning. His skill set and physical qualities are going to have a hard time translating to the NFL game in my opinion. Plus he obviously has off the field issues.

Percy Harvin doesn’t scare me in the least. The Packers and the Lions on the other hand both had very good drafts on day one.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to buy Harvin

some gift certificates for a boat cruise…

by torch on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see it now

“I’m on a boat!”

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the packers

are trying to win now. they’re sacrificing a lot in the long run to try and get back where they were in 2007.

it doesn’t help that they switched to a 3-4. they traded up to try and rebuild that defense quickly with good players. may kill them down the stretch (see draft next year)

by Nih1lus on Apr 26, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Green Bay

may have just drastically improved their defense. I hate saying anything positive about those assholes, but they made a couple really nice pickups.
 Detroit made some nice picks but they neglected to address either of their lines, both of which are awful. Oh, and they’re the Lions, so it doesn’t matter because they’ll find a way to screw up somehow.

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by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Day 2 just got more exciting

but trading out of #49 seems like trading quality for quantity; unless the player they would have selected at #49 is still the pick at #68. I think that may actually be the case, and I’ll bet Angelo will reveal that in a few days. 3 of the 4 best values left, according to NFLDraftScout are DEs: MJohnson #42; JGilbert #49; and LSidberry #51. #56 CB DJMoore(from Vanderbilt – a JA collegiate favorite) and #59 KBarnes could also be considered good values at a needed position; along with FS RJohnson at #66. The 4 top WRs are: DWilliams #69, JIglesias #79, LMurphy #83, and MWallace #99. I hope its DE MJohnson with #68 and use the next picks(99, 105, 119) to find possibly eventual starters at WR, CB, and FS.

by gillrowdy on Apr 26, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rip off

JA: “The teams that moved up gave up a lot”
We gave up a Mid Second Rounder and got chump change for it!
The value chart isn’t written in stone, but sh*t, we didn’t even get close.
“The teams that moved up gave up a lot. Except the Seahawks because they where holding one of our family members hostage at gun point” Sheesh!
Maybe for the 3rd (68) we can get a 6th and TWO 7th rounders Jerry!

by pete banachi on Apr 26, 2009 4:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm dyin here... could barely sleep!

Best available per DraftCountdown.com:

1. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
2. Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss
3. Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama
4. Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
5. Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina
6. Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
7. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
8. Jarron Gilbert, DT, San Jose St.
9. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
10. Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond
11. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St.
12. Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
13. Alex Magee, DT, Purdue
14. Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
15. Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
16. Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
17. Andre Brown, RB, North Carolina St.
18. Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
19. Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio St.
20. T.J. Lang, OT, Eastern Michigan
21. Donald Washington, CB, Ohio St.
22. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
23. Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC
24. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona
25. Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin
26. James Casey, TE, Rice
27. Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
28. Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St.
29. Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly
30. Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St.
31. Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
32. Victor Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
33. Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina
34. Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama
35. Bradley Fletcher, CB, Iowa
36. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I bet Angelo has all three of those first 3 bolded players targeted.

One of them should be available at no. 5.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WalterFootball.com's 3rd round re-mock

Gives us Rashad Johnson and Ramses Barden

link

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like you, I’m hoping for Rashad Johnson to come in as an instant starter, but I worry that JA’s still reluctant over concerns about his size.

by Spongie on Apr 26, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id be happy if it plays out that way!

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by icarr0331 on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boldins agent

said he expects to have a trade done by the end of the 3rd today. Maybe we still have a chance.

by luckie815 on Apr 26, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Hmm…interesting.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part of wakin up

is Gatorade in your cup!

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mmmm.... i need CAFFEINE!!!!

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Switchin to coffee now

You still optimistic today?

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see.

I haven’t paid attention much, but I know Michael Johnson was being considered for their first-round pick (by BLOU’s draft web-geeks anyway), and if they get him at 68, that’d be great.

But like I said, I haven’t been watching, so I don’t know what his deal is.

But I’m going to go work out at 10, so I won’t be around. I would have loved to have been a fan of the Patriots for four 2nd-round picks.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be interesting

if MJ is still around at wherever the hell we pick now. Still holding out an outside shot at Rashad Johnson.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th overall today

As I said, Johnson, Johnson, Duke Robinson or (Mel Kiper’s best available) Jarron Gilbert should be available.

I wanna see Shonn Greene go somewhere dammit.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, that's right

I forgot that your home is somewhere close to me.

He won’t last 10 more picks.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in Omaha but am a Hawkeye fan. FWIW

I was really hoping he could have gone to New Orleans, (I thought they had a 2nd or 3rd round pick), as he would have been great as a 3/4 time pound it back.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There we go!

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa!!!! Another Hawkeye drafted No. 2 today.

hahaahahah

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In defense of Angelo:

if he gets Rashad Johnson here, that’s a pick a lot of us – myself included – would have been okay with at 49. And again: I could see him packaging those two 4s for a 3. Of the revised big board, there are numerous combinations where we could net three starters. When you add the addition of Jay Cutler, 3 solid F/A offensive linemen, and (potentially) 2-3 starters in the draft, how can that not be viewed as a kick-ass offseason?

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 26, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I predict

Derrick Williams. I’d much rather have Iglesias or the Johnsons, but Angelo NEVER picks who we want him to pick.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I predict we trade down :)

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by MPG on Apr 26, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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