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Meet Your 2009 Chicago Bears Draft Picks!

 Here are your 2009 NFL Draft picks!

Round Pick Overall Name Position School
3 4 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State
3 35 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
4 5 105 Henry Melton DE Texas
4 19 119 D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
5 4 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian
5 18 154 Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State
6 17 190 Al Afalava S Oregon State
7 37 246 Lance Louis TE San Diego State
7 42 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

Let's run down our new prospects. All videos are courtesy of CloudyFuture.

Star-divide

 Jarron Gilbert, DT, San Jose State
Height: 6'5" ¼       Weight: 288 lbs.
 

Combine: 4.87 (40); 28 reps (bench); 35 ½" (vertical); 9-11 (broad); 7.70 (cones); 4.56 (shuttle)

Breakdown (Fantasy Football Toolbox):

Gilbert gained fame when he made the now famous YouTube video in which he showed his athleticism by jumping out of the shallow section of a swimming pool in just one motion. He was very productive in college and was the Western Athletic Conference's co-defensive player of the year after registering 22 tackles for loss with 9.5 sacks.

Gilbert was the most impressive player at the San Jose State Pro Day. He ran a 4.76 40, which was faster than the 5.00 scouts projected. He has a good size/weight ratio and is very athletic and always in motion. Quick in and out of his stand, Gilbert is very flexible (can play inside or outside). He has good range and moves well in the second level.

However, Gilbert lacks mental toughness. He is still very raw and just needs more experience. He played most of his career as a defensive tackle, but has gotten by with pure athleticism against lesser opponents. His level of competition is a legitimate concern. Despite speed and agility, Gilbert moves awkward laterally. He also does not slide fluidly and tends to lose focus on inside plays.

Gilbert is a physical phenomenon; Big, strong and now, fast. The Spartan senior put up a show at the 2009 East-West Shrine Game. He followed his impressive showing with an even better one at the NFL Combine. Gilbert is a good third round pick who could pan out in the long run.

Video: Video 1; Video 2 

San Jose State fan's take (BaronVonCurrentEvents): Anyway, Gilbert is a hell of a pick for the Bears. I was hoping he'd last until the 49ers' pick in the third round because he'd be excellent for their needs. He's extremely athletic and fast and has great size. San Jose State's defense was their strongest suit last season and Gilbert was the anchor of the D. He's used to the 4-3, so he should fit in just fine. Since he was a round 1 or 2 talent, you guys should consider this at least a minor steal. Keep in mind I'm a bit biased because I go to San Jose State, but I'm so proud of my guys getting drafted. With Gilbert and CB Christopher Owens going to Atlanta in the third round, my crappy school already has two guys drafted.

WCG's Take: I know it surprised a lot of people and I think most of us have come to terms with this and are ok with it. The Bears reportedly had a player they thought they could get at 49, but the Raiders picked him 2 in front of us, so we traded out. We then pick up one of the top guys left on Day 2.

Angelo traded for Cutler and he got him two new receivers later, so at this spot he stuck to Bears football. Last year we could not get to the QB and we could not stop the run without using our linebackers. We brought in Rod Marinelli to coach up our D-line and now Lovie is going to call the defense. Angelo got those two a player they can work with and fit into the game where needed.

I don't know how he projects to the pros or what he will become, but despite the need at other positions, I like the pick.

ChiFan13's Take: There is no doubt about Gilbert's athleticism. Regardless of where the Bears are going to play him, he offers some versatility. If injuries occur at either DE or DT, we will be able to plug Gilbert in. I expect him to play at DT, but the versatility is the key to me. Like every other third round prospect, he's going to need some coaching. Do not expect him to walk into camp and have a starting spot ready for him. Let Marinelli work his magic; I promise it will pay it off sooner rather than later.

Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
Height: 6'0"7/8      Weight: 210 lbs.

 

YEAR

REC

YDS

AVG

LNG

TD

ATT

YDS

AVG

LNG

TD

FUM

LST

2005

19

290

15.3

34

2

1

9

9.0

9

0

0

0

2006

41

514

12.5

37

2

2

6

3.0

4

0

0

0

2007

68

907

13.3

51

5

8

87

10.9

41

1

0

0

2008

74

1150

15.5

48

10

1

7

7.0

7

0

0

0

Combine: 4.54 (40); 34 ½" (vertical); 9-8 (broad); 4.40 (shuttle)

ChiFan13's Breakdown:

Pros: Great route-runner....no character issues....great vision after the catch....appears to take pride in his blocking....will not go down after the first hit....will go across the middle....above-average awareness along the sideline.

Cons: More quick than fast; will not be a deep threat....has some past fumbling issues....separation from corners at NFL level is a question mark.

Video: Video 1; Video 2; Video 3

Crimson and Cream Machine's Take (courtesy of Matt): Juaquin Iglesias led the Sooners last season in both receptions (74) and receiving yards (1,150) and was second in yards per reception (15.5) and touchdowns (10). He's got very good game speed and great hands. Playing in the shadow of Malcolm Kelly for three of his four years at Oklahoma we had seen glimpses of Iglesias' potential but in '08 he had his breakout year by becoming Sam Bradford's go to receiver.
 
Standing at an even 6-0 he most likely won't have the size to play on the outside but can be very dangerous from the slot and has proven that he only needs a little space to secure the ball.

WCG's Take: This is one of my favorite picks of our draft. I'm still reeling with all this talk about the Bears being on the phone with AZ about Boldin and not wanting to give up whatever else the Cards wanted, but I like this pick. In the SBN mock draft, I was considering Iglesias with our 2nd round pick. To get him with the 2nd 3rd round pick is value.

The thing I like the most about him is he has good hands. We have enough issues with dropped passes.  A few years back we had Moose, Hester has some issues, Davis got nicknamed based on his bad hands. The rumors that the Bears would take Massaquoi scared me. No way should we take anybody with questionable hands. Iglesias isn't a burner, but he doesn't need that. We have Hester. We need a possession guy and I think this could fill it.

ChiFan13's Take: "Iglesias is one of those players who you root for. He's a high-character individual who does a lot of little things right. The problem with drafting Iglesias is how he'll fit on an NFL team. He won't outrun anyone, which leaves him as a #4. If has a good 40 at the combine, his stock will dramatically rise."

That's what I wrote prior to the combine. I am thrilled with this pick. As WCG said, he's not a burner. He will not be a #1 or #2 WR. What he does do is run good routes and has great hands. He will be able to come into the Bears and help us immediately, which is something that Sir Jay desperately needs.

 

Henry Melton, DE, Texas
Height: 6'3"       Weight: 280 lbs.

40 time: 4.79 

Breakdown (SI):

POSITIVES: Relatively athletic defensive end with adequate size/speed numbers. Moves well on his feet, plays with balance, and fluid making plays in all directions of the field. Keeps his pads low to the ground, stays within his pass rush angles, and quickly gets into the backfield to disrupt the action. Works his hands throughout the play, and rarely off his feet.

NEGATIVES: Lacks top first-step quickness. Does not show a burst of speed. Raw at the position, and does too much thinking rather than playmaking.

ANALYSIS: After bouncing around as a reserve early in his Texas career, Melton may have finally found a home at defensive end. He possesses the build for a two-gap lineman, yet he is a developmental prospect who needs a lot of work on his overall game.

Video: Video 1

Burnt Orange Nation's take (courtesy of PB):

Melton didn't have the benefit of a redshirt year, playing right away at running back for Texas. Incredible speed for such a big body, but he wasn't cut for the tailback position (rushing instincts weren't great) and was moved to defensive end prior to his junior season. He was overshadowed by Brian Orakpo (#13 pick to Redskins) but played exceptionally well his senior year, garnering some all-conference mentions.

Chicago's getting a guy with tremendous physical tools whose played just two years at his position. He's the definition of high upside. A potential steal.

WCG's Take: I have to admit I know next to nothing on this guy, but I like the position.  It is never a bad idea to draft either side of the line. One more guy for Marinelli. Ogunleye has never lived up to his value. Mark Anderson is still a mystery. Alex Brown is the only guy we have that we know is a baller at that spot.

ChiFan13's Take: I like this pick for all the reasons PB mentioned. Do I think he was a bit of a reach? Yeah, but Jerry must have really wanted him. Melton is a guy who I compare to Danieal Manning in terms of being moved around throughout his career. Originally, he came to Texas as a RB. When Jamaal Charles started dominating, Melton was relegated to a spelling role. He was moved to DE his junior year and did fairly well. Is he a little raw? Yes. However, he's a physical specimen and I never heard anything negative about his coachability. Marinelli will work his magic and hopefully we'll have a mainstay DE.

D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
Height: 5'9"       Weight: 192 lbs.

Combine: 4.56 (40); 17 reps (bench); 39.5" (vertical); 9-10 (broad); 7.02 (cones); 4.28 (shuttle)

Breakdown (NFL):

Positives: Good upper body build for his size. Very quick to support the run or attack quick screens and passes in the flat. Quick reactions and instincts make him a natural in zone. Not contact shy, so receivers will expect to get hit on shorter routes. Sits on routes and closes very quickly to make quarterbacks pay if they birddog. Looks like he knows routes as well as the receiver does. Very good straight-line speed and will chase his teammates' receivers downfield. Tries to knock the ball out after securing the tackle. As a slot receiver, Moore has the strength to get off the line, elusiveness in the open field, reliable hands to adjust to poor throws and an ability to track the ball over either shoulder. Extremely quick feet on routes, accelerating past defenders. Uses those receiver skills after interceptions.

Negatives: Barely adequate height for a corner. Thin legs. Not asked to press much. Lack of size could make bringing down bigger and quicker NFL receivers tough when closing fast. Can be dominated by good blocking receivers. A bit slow to react when receiver stutters and heads up the field. May not have the recovery speed to catch up to quicker NFL receivers using fakes or double moves, and his aggressive style could also cost him in this regard. Doesn't always secure the ball or make good decisions on punt returns while trying to do too much.

Video: Video 1; Video 2; Video 3

WCG's Take: Another great value pick. I've seen him projected to go as high as the second. Is he a better pick than Sean Smith or Rashad Johnson? He is ranked higher than Smith on nfldraftcountdown. He is a shade under 5'9", but he has a nose for the ball and I think that fits very well with what we do on defense.

ChiFan13's Take: Moore's going to need some coaching. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If he can be properly taught, I think this could be a borderline steal. He fell hard down draft boards after mediocre performances at the combine and his pro day, but I think he's a great pickup for us. If anything, he offers some depth.

Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
Height: 6'0"      Weight: 185 lbs.

Combine: 4.34 (40); 35" (vertical); 10-2 (broad); 6.81 (cones); 4.15 (shuttle)

Breakdown (NFL):

Positives: Adequate height with wiry upper body strength and good muscle definition in his arms. Not your typical slight small-school receiver. Good initial quickness off the snap to get into his route. Reliable hands; snatches the ball and adjusts to poor throws. Gets up to high-point and secure the catch. Sinks his hips and displays quick feet going into and out of routes. Has good vision and is elusive running in the open field. Works hard to block downfield, and will sustain and even dominate against smaller corners. Experienced as a punt returner.

Negatives: Thin through the hips and legs. Gets a lot of his yardage after short routes, screens and swing passes. Lacks elite speed or quickness, but had enough to be special at the FCS level. Easily tripped up in the open field. Does not switch the ball to the outside hand. Despite his strong effort, he lacks the bulk and strength to be effective against NFL defenders. Dances and runs backward too much after the catch or on returns -- will not get away with that at the next level.

Video: Video 1 

WCG's Take: Has very good speed. Should be an immediate help on special teams. Another guy with return skills. Really too small to be a big time NFL receiver, but with our inexperienced squad, who knows?

ChiFan13's Take: Knox is a quick guy who can be immediately used in ST and maybe as a slot WR. With that speed, I see him as a poor man's (and smokeless) Percy Harvin. However, I realize that Knox is very raw and will need some coaching before he sees the field, at least on offense.

Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State
Height: 6'0"       Weight: 239 lbs.

 

Combine: 4.74 (40); 30 reps (bench); 37" (vertical); 9-5 (broad); 6.98 (cones); 4.12 (shuttle)

Breakdown (NFL):

Positives: A bit shorter than scouts would like, but a well-built athlete with room for additional mass. ... Instinctive defender who flows to the ball quickly. ... Athletic enough to elude blockers and make plays at or near the line of scrimmage. ... Reliable open-field tackler. ... Breaks down well and can drive the ballcarrier into the ground. ... Good awareness and speed in coverage. ... Gets good depth on his drops. ... Reads the quarterback's eyes and closes quickly. ... Excellent special teams player. ... Tough and plays through pain. ... Solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl.

Negatives: A bit smaller than scouts would like. ... Likes to avoid blockers rather than facing them up and struggles in disengaging. ... Lacks the bulk to hold up when targeted in the running game. ... Athletic in coverage, but seems content to allow the reception to be made and make a secure tackle, rather than breaking on the ball. ... Has struggled with durability: torn knee ligaments and a subsequent staph infection forced him to redshirt the 2005 season. Had his knee scoped following the 2007 season for a possible torn meniscus. Struggled through the 2008 season with a recurring ankle sprain.

Video: Video 1

We Will Always Have Tempe's Take (courtesy of Sam): In many ways, I consider Marcus Freeman a superior pro prospect to his former teammate James Laurinaitis. The Bears got a late round steal with this guy. Freeman is faster than Laurinaitis, he defeats blocks far better, and has the quickness and toughness to bring down any back for minimal yardage. He lacks, however, in football smarts at times; he has been known to bite on play-action on occasion, and can overpursue and get himself out of position to make the play. He just overthinks a little often, and I think that's why he dropped as he did. Nonetheless, Freeman is a pure athlete, and with the right coaching, he could develop into a lethal run stuffer for the Bears. He has all the tools one could ask for.

WCG's Take: Another good pick. Nfldraftcountdown has him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.  The strong side is obviously one spot we haven't nailed down yet. Freeman has very good speed. He has the range and ability to cover a lot of space. Special teamer to start, but may have a shot at starting at some point.

ChiFan13's Take: Hey, I will never complain about getting great value out of a prospect. Freeman looks to have a lot of the tools to succeed. Again, it's not a sexy pick, but it's a necessary one. Freeman will help us on ST right away, and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually displaces Hunter Hillenmeyer or Nick Roach, whoever the Sam backer ends up being.

Al Afalava, S, Oregon State
Height: 5'11"     Weight: 213 lbs.

Breakdown (NFL):

Positives: Good build for the position. Instinctive defender who reads the quarterback's eyes well and breaks on the ball. Very quick to read run and come up in support. Physical hitter who can be an intimidating presence over the middle. Reliable open-field tackler. Willing to take on blocks to make the play. Durable performer with experience at strong and free safety.

Negatives: May lack the speed and agility for NFL coverage. Makes most of his plays coming downhill and isn't the same playmaker with his back to the quarterback. Questionable deep speed. Lacks the hip flexibility to turn and run with receivers one on one. Rarely tested deep in this defense due to Oregon State's good pass rush and veteran press corners - both of whom will be drafted this April. Character red flag: Suspended for the first game of 2008 after he crashed his car into an empty bus shelter and left the scene on foot. Reached plea agreement to reduce original DUI, hit-and-run charges.

Video: Video 1 

WCG's Take: Again my one issue is we needed a safety. However, is this guy worth passing up Johnson or Clemons?

ChiFan13's Take: I have problems with this pick. I actually have huge problems with this pick. Afalava is a SS and we need a FS. Second, he was just recently arrested on a DUI charge. I know that Henry Melton did the same, but Melton did it during college and has stayed clean since. Afalava ran into a shelter and then ran. I don't like people who do that. Regardless, he'll be a good ST player and decent depth in our secondary.

Lance Louis, TE, San Diego State
Height: 6'3"      Weight: 300 lbs.

Breakdown (source):

Positives: Gets out and pulls well. Athletic. Quick feet.

Negatives: Needs work on angles and keeping his anchor. A project who may intrigue a team. Will probably need a year or two on a practice squad and NFL weight training.

WCG's Take: Coming soon

ChiFan13's Take: Y'all said it. We have Kellen Davis and a host of other people who can block. This was my big "duh" pick of the draft. 

 

Derek Kinder, WR, Pittsburgh
Height: 6'1"      Weight: 210 lbs.

Breakdown (SI):

POSITIVES: Nice-sized receiver who struggled making his way back from injury last year. Consistently looks the ball into his hands, makes the difficult over-the-shoulder reception, and not afraid to get vertical in a crowd for the catch. Possesses strong hands and pulls the fastball from the air. Comes back to the ball out of breaks, effectively using his frame to shield away opponents.

NEGATIVES: Marginally productive last season. Inconsistent as a blocker. Lacks the speed to get downfield separation.

ANALYSIS: Kinder possesses NFL size and displayed a lot of skill in the past. His game took a step back last year, and he must return to prior playing form for any chance to make a roster this summer.

Video: Video 1; Video 2

WCG's Take: Coming soon

ChiFan13's Take: I like this pick. We took a risk on a guy who was injured with an ACL injury. He has nice size and decent speed. If he doesn't work out, we didn't really lose anything.

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There’s at least one Packer fan here. WhoTF is giving this draft an F?

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 26, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Come on

Like Packers fans can operate a computer…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

automatic A+

based on Cutler alone. Everyone elso we’ll have to wait and see.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Grading drafts before they've stepped on the field is useless.

Remember when everyone was like who’s Devin Hester!?!?! that’s a reach, Stupid Jerry Angelo!!!!

rofl, people that troll on forums saying this was a reach, this was a value, are dumb, the truth is we can only project how a player will be, so in effect grading a draft based on nothing but youtube highlights and one or two games we watched a player in are nothing.

With that said, I like Iglesias, he’ll likely step in if Bennett doesn’t shine

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

"people that troll on forums saying this was a reach, this was a value, are dumb,"

Except when talking about Al Davis. He has truly lost his mind, and I hope he lives forever. Not to repeat myself from yesterday, but we need to get the Raiders moved into the NFC.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

I’m sure Jay Cutler is going to miss them

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Millen was Davis with better hair.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Millen

picked a lot of busts, but he didn’t reach as bad as Al-zheimers does. Like taking DHB at 7 and that scrub safety in the 2nd because he thought we might steal him lol.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick to write that Mitchell off

Davis has done a great job recently in finding good secondary players in the draft (well, besides Huff). Chris Johnson, Asamougha, Tyvon Branch, Stanford Routt and Hiram Eugene have all been solid players. And how bad could Mitchell be, even JA wanted him.

I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

Good ol' KO

by thecoolest on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only time will tell if Mitchell is good

but there is no way Millen would have passed on Crabtree to take DHB, like no way in the world. I think Stafford was a bad pick but we’ll see in time. It’s not that Stafford is a bad player but that team had so many needs and there is a very slim chance that he can come in and contribute, so why not wait until next year and grab a better QB in a draft that will be full of them! CONCRETE CYANIDE baby

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that he'll be a bust

Just that you don’t take a guy in the second if you can get him a lot later If he doesn’t have a second-round grade on your board. Or on a sane person’s board, I guess I should say.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also they've got much bigger holes to fill

than in their secondary. That’s the only part of their team that’s any good.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

but then again I’m not an NFL GM

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why when Detriot is, well, Detriot.

Bearing down since 1975, my heroes have always been Monsters.

by nappyfro75 on Apr 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only pick I am not thrilled with

is the Melton one….but other than that solid IMO….

still Angelo is getting ripped by some at some other Bear fan forums….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

good draft

considering limitations of not having a first round pick or tradeable third round pick, i think this will be a big boom or bust draft. we have the potential to get some solid stars or starters in this draft, and we got some developmental projects to work on.

While it is pointless to grade a draft before players take the field, I would still give this draft, considering scout reports and value, an A.

by Nih1lus on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I was pissed about not getting Rashad Johnson

But JA and Lovie obviously didn’t like him enough so I’m not upset about it now. I think this is a pretty good draft considering our needs. IMO Freeman will pan out to be the best of our draft, Lance Briggs 2.0

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by Acreman20 on Apr 26, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone know

if our scouting staff has some kind of Vandy connection? Seems like we’re starting to become Vanderbilt North. I’d like that a lot more if Vandy was actually good. No offense to my new deity Jay “Christ” Cutler.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay

by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Forget Vandy

Are they naming a building at Abilene-Christian after Jerry Angelo?

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Giants took him 2 rounds earlier than projected.

But the projections that your team makes are what really matters. Some say the Bears selected Melton too early, but they had worked him out and obviously had him rated much higher. There’s no point in losing a player that you covet by hoping he’ll drop to a lower round.

by BigGeorgeTX on Apr 26, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good program at Vandy

Not a powerhouse, and they can’t get depth with their academic standards, but they’re attracting players who are smart, want a good education and want to play at the highest level. So the top end talent is really pretty good.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

btw

there is no writeup for Loius up there

by Steve Ronkowski on Apr 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

There’s really not much to write about because there’s not a lot of info.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall, I'm quite pleased.

Although I think the Bears made a few questionable decisions, the fact is they came away with what looks like 5 or 6 guys who will very likely stick on the roster and make a solid contribution to the team as rookies, several of whom will likely become starters someday. That’s a nice outcome for any draft – let alone one in which the team didn’t have any 1st or 2nd round picks. Factor in that the 1st-rounder was traded away for an established Pro Bowl QB, and that makes this a very nice draft.

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by hip2bsquare on Apr 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Lance Louis isn't a tight end

According to NFL.com’s draft profiles, Louis used to be a RB/TE who moved to Guard. He’s put on several pounds and has great speed for that position. I think any athletic picks in the 5th through 7th rounds are great since they will probably start out on Special Teams anyway. In Louis’ case, he’s a guy they can develop for one of the guard spots in the next few years. I think the Bears did a pretty good job considering the restrictions this year, although I would have rather seen a RB or LB in the seventh instead of the WR from Pitt. I still don’t trust anyone associated with Wanny.

by BearFan611 on Apr 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The statement on the Bears website says

They will put him at TE

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they change their minds

I’d rather see some depth at guard and we seem to pretty set at TE. I can see him as a blocking TE but why limit your offense when he’s on the field.

by BearFan611 on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep they want him at TE/FB which at least means either Clark, K Davis, or McKie is gone IMO

Live from Halas Hall: Bears moving Lance Louis from guard to tight end
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The Bears drafted San Diego State’s Lance Louis in the seventh round at No. 246 and they are going to convert the college guard to tight end.

We reported here that the Bears put Louis through a private workout after the owners’ meetings in Dana Point, Calif. General manager Jerry Angelo attended the workout.

The 6-3, 303-pound rank the 40-yard dash in 4.68 seconds, that is why the Bears believe he can make the move. Louis was one of the most recognized tight ends in the country coming out of high school and was converted in college. Some teams looked at him as a fullback too.

He will challenge Kellen Davis, a fifth-round pick last season, for a roster spot. Davis shined as a receiver in training camp last summer but the Bears don’t need a third tight end to catch passes—they have Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen. They need an in-line blocker for run downs and Louis has a chance to win that battle.

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully... he shows so much athleticism

That they make him a HUGE FB, who can catch the ball out of the backfield as well.

He’s probably faster than McKie anyway LOL.

I’ve always wanted a BIG Kleinsasser-like FB.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im thinking you like this pick to much

lol…They cant cut McKie…..Hes my hero….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said the same thing

about Roberto Garza! I think that you can only have 1 NFL player as a hero according to man law

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like him at Fullback

He’d be an upgrade over McKie (who wouldn’t) and an good blocker when we need to go short yardage.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 26, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still really upset with the lack of FS which was sucha big need, perhaps 1st...

but we have some prospects on the DL and and WR to work through. Let’s hope the coaching staff gets on teaching these guys. But no one can say in any specific terms what this draft means until at least the end of next season.

by LostInSTL on Apr 26, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Doesn't bother me

I agree that FS was a need, but I don’t think the talent was there. For all the talking around, I’m not sure there was really a long term starter at the position in this draft. So I’m okay with just trying to get by for this year, and fixing the problem long-term in the future.

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

chris harris?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 26, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That ship has sailed, my friend

I don’t think the Panthers made him available, did they?

It’s sad, but we have to let it go.

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harris is not a FS either!

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

you may want to check that again.

Propheteer… He was a FS in Chicago.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding, my point was we had good FS and let him get away for nothing.

now we are searching for one.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

He may be good in the panthers scheme, which is a more traditional 4-3 defense

but he wasn’t in our scheme, and he struggled, simple as that.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 27, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

are you kidding me?

he started for us in the superbowl, and created turnovers all season. what more did you want from the guy? Last time I checked, our scheme is reliant on turnovers. Which he has led or close to led the league in for the past 2 seasons.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Played out of position

He may have started for us as a FS, but he certainly didn’t have the skill-set to play it well.

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by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

his skill set is less than anyone we currently have on the roster?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

In relation to the scheme, yes

Harris was shit awful. I’m not looking at what he’s doing on another team. I looked at what he did on our team, nothing.

And what are you talking about? Harris didn’t start in the superbowl. he wasn’t even on the Bears roster. and he never created turnovers.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

you are sadly uninformed, kinda hard to argue when you don't know the facts.

Sorry but this following quote makes you look like a complete moron.

“After Hester’s opening dagger, Manning tried to force a pass to Marvin Harrison in double coverage and was picked off by Chris Harris to spoil Indy’s first possession, but the Colts struck back on their next series, converting a trio of third downs.”

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/recap/sbxli

So lets wrap this up,

A) you are wrong about him starting in the superbowl.
B) you are wrong about him not creating turnovers.
C) you are wrong about him not being on the roster.
D) anything else you want to argue?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harris left the team almost 3 years ago

Time for you to accept the fact he’s on someone else’s team. he ain’t comin’ back.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 27, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will neve "accept" that he is gone,

it was a stupid move at the time and still is.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

whatever

be pissed off about something that happened 3 years ago.

he’s gone. get over it.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

is it "all the idiot cub fans attack a sox fan day" at WCG?

Seems like all the idiots I have had to argue with are either members of BCB or post OT about the cubs here.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You being pissed about

a player who left 3 years ago… makes me an idiot?

Rock on.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

when I am 65, I will still be pissed that we gave up Chris Harris for nothing.

I will tell my grand children about how a dumb ass GM traded a playmaking safety and brought in Adam Archuletta instead because it was Lovie’s guy.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

YOU MORON!

THAT PASS WAS PICKED OFF BY DANIEL MANNING. WHY DON’T YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
Sorry but that following quote makes you look like a complete moron.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was funny as hell.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I try... lol

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave Angelo a B

Cutler + 4 of the “Best Available Prospects on Day 2”

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Solid draft for the Bears

Bears addressed an overrated and troubling defensive line situation. Jarron Gilbert was an exceptional pick, and should help immediately. The rest of the picks are each developmental projects in one form or another. Which is okay. It’s tough to pick in the 3rd round and later and identify immediate contributors.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

pretty solid

Only decision I have a serious beef with is Melton. I would have much rather us used that pick to take the best safety on the board at that slot. All the other picks I think we did pretty well on, and at least one (Moore) was a steal.

by JohnPaul on Apr 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll just throw out my own grades:

Gilbert: A
Awesome value, I loved this kid when I first read his scouting report. Hopefully he’ll fill the spot next to Harris and end that revolving door. He could end up making a huge difference in the future.

Melton: B-
I didn’t really know much about him entering the draft besides the fact that he’s still very raw. Basically, he’s still new to the position and needs to learn technique, but the athleticism is there. I think it all depends on the coaching for this guy, and we have one of the best in the biz with Miranelli.

Moore: A
Another value pick. Considered to be a late 1st/mid 2nd round talent that fell to the 4th. A guy that fell because of speed and height questions, but the kid just flat out knows how to play.

Knox: B-
I have to say, I didn’t like this pick from the beginning. It’s kind of grown on me, though. He’s really fast, but that’s about it. He’ll at least be able to help out on special teams, but I have a gut feeling he may turn into something more.

Freeman: A
Yet another value pick. Here’s a kid that was being looked at as a 2nd/3rd round talent and we snatch him in the 5th. A bit undersized, but he makes up for it in athleticism. Will help out on ST right away and could eventually take the starting spot from Roach.

Afalava: B-
Has the making of a gunner on special teams, but I don’t know if he’ll ever do anything more. Still, that’s pretty good for a 6th.

Louis: ?
Really depends on what position he’s put at. If he’s a guard, I’d probably give it a C+. I don’t like the idea of drafting a guy like him to play guard if he doesn’t have experience there. If he’s a TE, I’d give it a B+. Really interesting guy, especially with his size/speed combo. He could be moved around and play a few positions.

Kinder: B
Put up some nice numbers at Pitt. Interesting kid, but it looks like he has his work cut out for him in trying to win one of the last WR spots.

Overall: B+
JA did a great job without having any first day picks and got 3 guys that were first day talents that fell for one reason or another. I’m really interested in seeing how most of these guys end up in two or three years.

I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

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by thecoolest on Apr 26, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Like the Knox pick

I like the fact that they now have another speed guy and, by all accounts, can actually catch the ball. Could be a sleeper in the WR group.

by BearFan611 on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

now there is a reason to be excited...

he has a cool name. wow.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

whoops, forgot Iglesias:

B+:
A guy who could possibly step in right now and take over for Rashied. Could be a good slot guy with just average speed but great route running and willingness to go over the middle for a catch. I wouldn’t have liked this pick nearly as much in the 2nd, but with the 99th pick, you can’t do much better, especially at an area of need.

I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

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by thecoolest on Apr 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Safeties available in this draft were dubious

Therefore I’m pleased Jerry Angelo didn’t waste a pick reaching on somebody. This biggest risk pick in my view is DJ Moore, but if a 4th round pick ultimately doesn’t make the grade then that is not the worst thing in the world.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Overall, not bad

I still think Angelo reaches a bit for some obscure guys which makes me think he’s a little arrogant. Like he knows something other GM’s don’t. It also scares me that he and Al Davis were both high on a safety in the second that no one else had on their radar in any round before the 6th. Again, seems arrogant. He also seems a little ignorant. If you’re grabbing players to develop, how about some O-line help. I know we got some key free agents but the only reason we had to get Omiyale was because we’ve ignored the o-line in the draft for years. We had a chance to get Jamon Meridith in the 5th and passed on him. Same old, same old. Don’t learn from your past, doomed to repeat it.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Arrogant?

It’s not he was the only GM looking at those “small school” players. We weren’t the only team that drafted small school players. Every other team did. You have to take advantage of you teams scouting. If we didn’t pick those guys, someone else would have.

I wanted Meredith too, but there’s gotta be a reason why he fell to the 5th. He was a first round talent and many other teams also passed him up, so something’s gotta give (same thing with Robinson). I’d trust JA’s judgment over mine and yours any day.

I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

Good ol' KO

by thecoolest on Apr 26, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say small school and love the Knox pick

But do you really think teams were jumping all over to get Melton? Reminds me of the Bazuin pick. Athletic DE with lots of tangibles but not a lot of quality starts. Just saying Angelo sometimes makes me wonder.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to NFLN

Waddle and Lombardi on NFLN stated that the Bears were interested in Mitchell but in the later rounds….Waddle said that he KNEW that they wanted Robiskie when he went he trade to trade it to ari for boldin but the cards said no so they were going to draft Gilbert but ended up thinking it was to early for him so traded back…..Both said their sources said this to them….

so….who knows….lol

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Irony

Your post here is chock full of your own personal arrogance.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 26, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or chock full of his own opinion.

How dare he!

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lance Louis was drafted as a development guard. Too big for TE.

Add 15 lbs and he’ll have the size needed. Besides, we’re already deep at TE.

by BigGeorgeTX on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Bears need a blocking TE or a FB

Already posted by team beat writers and the offish team site that they will try him out at TE/FB…Which means Davis, McKie or Clark is toast….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clark

Isn’t toast…

We need 2 tight ends who can catch the ball.

We also need somebody to help us get one yard on third or fourth down… I think that is what they are going for with Lewis… he’s not going to be catching any balls.

by sabbath999 on Apr 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cant cut/trade Clark

for younger cheaper talent? Kellen Davis is also a TE that can catch the ball….I think thats possible but not probable…If anything McKie is the one cut IF Louis becomes and HB type player I would think….guess we will see

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well... it all depends on training camp competition and special teams value

Dez Clark is now a 12 year vet… he’s no spring chicken.

The position that Clark now finds himself, is the prefect example of veterans who get cut in June or during the pre-season, because of youth and economics.

If he soundly outperforms his competition at his age, he’ll likely keep his job.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

McKie is toast

There’s no way a talented player like Davis will be cut after just his rookie year. FB is a dying position, and Louis will provide depth at TE and fill out the only FB spot on the roster.

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by propheteer on Apr 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so

I’d really love a bulldozer of a fullback, but barring that, I’d rather keep Dez around than McKie. And I think this Louis kid is an exciting late rounder because he could be so many things. Odds are still against him making the roster, but…

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Players on the current roster that face new competition

DT
Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State

Anthony Adams
Matt Toeaina
Dusty Dvoracek

DE
Henry Melton, Texas

Ervin Baldwin

LB
Marcus Freeman, Ohio State

Hunter Hillenmeyer
Joey LaRocque
Nick Roach
Jamar Williams

S
Al Afalava, Oregon State

Josh Bullocks
Glenn Earl
Craig Steltz

CB
D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt

Marcus Hamilton
Trumaine McBride
Nathan Vasher
Zackary Bowman

WR
Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian
Derek Kinder, Pittsburgh

Rashied Davis
Devin Aromashodu* Practice Squad
John Broussard* Practice Squad

TE
Lance Louis, San Diego State

Kellen Davis
Dez Clark
Fontel Mines* Practice Squad

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I forgot WR Brandon Rideau

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some reason, I thought Gilbert was a DE?

I could’ve sworn when I read his profile it said he was an end. But everything I’ve seen here said he’s a tackle. Which is it?

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a "perfect" 3-4 end. 288 pounds.

ten more pounds to be a 4-3 d-tackle, 10 less pounds to be a 4-3 d-end.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, that explains it

What with everyone’s sudden infatuation with the 3-4, I’m sure that’s why he was listed as an end.

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

right. and someone said he lost a few pounds since he was first weighed

which would explain why the bears were supposedly drafting him as a dtackle

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The seventh round picks were all because of measurable.

Both Louis and Kinder had monster Pro Days. Strictly boom or bust picks.

by BigGeorgeTX on Apr 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Lance Louis could be a special teams guy, that can develop into an H-Back role

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 26, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm hoping this guy makes the final roster

And blows up guys left and right on kick returns for Manning and Hester

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did we get 240 votes?

There’s only like 30 people who actually post here.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

We have lurkers

And since Daily Norseman will take 3 days to get their draft picks posted, they come over to view excellence. :)

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah....

That’s rich, I love it, I can go to bed happy thank you :)

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by ThorCo on Apr 27, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing

theres 820 something now.

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by Allie on Apr 26, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Highlights from Angelo's post draft PC

Here are some highlights:

Angelo said he was surprised Johnny Knox was still around in the fourth round.

He likes Derek Kinder from Pitt. The coaching staff really liked him and he got a strong endorsement from Dave Wannstedt.

Defensively, they wanted to get some young talent. It was one of the goals of the draft to get more energy. Angelo believes Jarron Gibert and Henry Melton are two very good defensive ends.

Melton made 12 visits and that is why the Bears grabbed him in the fourth round. They like his traits but he needs to take another step.

Potentially we have found three starters given how they feel about Gilbert, Juaquin iglesias and Angelo believes they can find another one.

At safety, Angelo calls is a tough spot. It’s hard to find a guy who has real good ball skills and can handle the physical nature of the play. Angelo said the team was going to take a pure free safety and he came off the board before he got to them. Angelo wants to err on the side of playing the run first.

Marcus Freeman was tagged to go in the third round and Angelo called that a deal in the fifth round.

Angelo said six have a chance to make the roster realistically, but he feels all nine have a chance to make it. He called it a “very good” second day draft.

Lance Louis came to San Diego State as a tight end. Grew into a lineman position in school. Interesting thing about this, he said he never saw a guy that big, 303 pounds, run such a fast 40. Tight ends coach Rob Boras looked at him. Worked him at fullback too. Liked his versatility and said “why not” in the second round.

Angelo said they checked out DUI’s on Afalava and Melton and they felt good about their backgrounds.

D.J. Moore, they really liked him. Felt very good about value with him as he played 10 or 20 plays a game on offense and played corner and was a returner. “I haven’t seen a corner with this kind of ball skills since [Nathan] Vasher.” Angelo says he plays tall with exceptional leaping ability. “You see a lot of tall corners who play small. He’s a short corner who can play tall. When we were down in Tampa Ronde Barber was like that.”

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for the kick a55 summary of Angelo

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

kick a55??? are you 13 years old?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding

You’ve done a helluva job for us today.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice work

only comment I don’t like is about how they will err on the side of taking safeties who can play the run. They keep drafting guys who are primarily in the box safeties, and keep getting killed on deep plays when the safety is out of position. They really need a guy who can play deep, has good ball skills, and is instinctive.

Rashad Johnson seemed like that guy, but they must have been scared off by his size.

Of note, the Rams took a free safety early in the third round (he was apparently one of the guys Angelo wanted with the Gilbert pick). They franchised OJ Otogwe, who is a pretty talented young, but Otogwe hasn;t signed his tender yet. Seattle just withdrew their franchise tag from Leroy Hill after they drafted his replacement in Aaron Curry. Perhaps the Rams will do the same with Otogwe. If so, he would be a perfect fit for our system. He’d cost some money, but we have it.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Apr 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I particularly like the Melton comments

When it looks like a guy has been taken too early, I wonder why, and I hate it when people say “He Was The Highest Rated Player We Had On Our Board.”

But if our scouting staff thought he was a player we ought to get and JA thought there was too much competing interest in him to wait for his slot, then more power to him. That’s actually one of the few times I seen a GM give a logical answer to a “reach” question.

Josh McDaniels got asked similar questions this weekend. I still don’t know what he answered, because the words themselves made no sense.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just watched the Iglesias highlights

And I remember watching the Oklahoma-Missouri and Florida games live, and Iglesias was one of the few Sooners who left a lasting impression on me.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The Missouri and Florida games huh?

are you sure you didn’t just watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLB00IQcHEI

ha

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes... that's what I referred to in my post. In the friggin headline of my post.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Bradley was supposed to be a burner. Iglesias is not at all.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno...

I’m just saying that because I did watch most of those two football games, I was familiar with him. He was the one making plays for the Sooners.

And those were two of the bigger games of the year, at the very end of the season.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

just saying that I have seen some Bear fans say(post) that Iglesias = Bradley 2 and will therefor bust….instead of waiting and seeing what happens…

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

honestly sack

he was wide open for everyone of those catches. It was nothing he did to get that separation. I am curious to see some highlights where he is matched up with a physical db and against a defense who is actually awake.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too Small?!?!

WCG: “Really too small to be a big time NFL receiver, but with our inexperienced squad, who knows?”

Too small? Uhhh… Steve Smith, Carolina Panthers. 5’9 185lbs.

This guy will probably never be Smitty, but small has nothing to do being a big time receiver. IMHO.

by Subotai on Apr 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Seen some draftnik sites

say Knox = a poor mans eddie royal….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back in your overhead compartment, Mini-Me.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knox has speed to burn

With Toub’s coaching he could be really good on special teams at a minimum.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

All three receivers drafted are developmental projects

I don’t expect any of them to contribute in the receiving game as rookies. Hopefully though two of them develop for the future, and also contribute early-on to special teams. Knox strikes me as a strong candidate for the Practice Squad in 2009.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunno

I think the fact that Knox can play special teams and return kicks and punts might mean Davis is the odd man out…..guess we will see…

man I cant wait for training camp….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have to see how many roster spots we use at WR

Could go with 5 or 6… depending on the make-up of the roster.

Plus, we have so little friggin experience at the position, that I’m willing to go out and guarantee that we add a veteran somehow between now and July.

Right now it looks like this:

Locks
Devin Hester
Earl Bennett
Juaquin Iglesias

Competition
Rashied Davis (Hot seat)
Brandon Rideau
Johnny Knox
Derek Kinder
Devin Aromashodu
John Broussard

Bennett is a safe bet, because of draft status and Vandy connection with Cutler
Iglesias is a safe bet because of draft status
Davis is definitely on the hot seat, because of the drops, even though he’s a ST favorite.

If we add a veteran, and only go with 5 WRs… that would leave Davis to battle it out with the others.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darkhorse candidate to really emerge in 2009 is Brandon Rideau

I will not be surprised to see Rideau become a pleasant surprise.

Earl Bennett is a big fat question mark until proven otherwise. The Bears are counting on him to be a major contributor but we are going to have to wait and see.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Halas Hall propaganda machine is already in motion regarding Bennett

He’s a lock.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe so

But Sackman is right that he’s a lock because of where he was drafted. Unless he shows absolutely nothing, he’ll be given another year at least.

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

All I’m saying is that nobody knows (to include Ron Turner) whether Earl Bennett is going to be a legitimate receiver option on the Bears. I find it somewhat distressing that a player of his supposed talent, work ethic and intelligence couldn’t find the football field in 2008 when the players in front of him were a clearly washed up Marty Booker, a journeyman bust in Brandon Lloyd and the highly dubious perpetual prospect Rashied Davies.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

As the propaganda machine said...

He was learning the playbook of all 3 WR positions, because he could have had to fill in at any one of them. Learning all 3 at once slowed him down mentally, as he struggled with the playbook.

Now, this year, they’ll have him more focused at one spot.

That’s the line that Jerry’s been feeding us.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

you won't be surprised if he's a surprise?

eh?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon Rideau is the guy who bears watching the most

Earl Bennett needs to show something on the football field before I or anybody can form opinion. Iglesias and Knox both strike me as developmental projects. Davis may still redeem himself, though he is what he is.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

BLou

I’m hearing you on Rideau. The guy was awesome last pre-season and should be ready to contribute. He seems like a guy that will make plays given the chance.

by rdent4hof on Apr 27, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

what makes you think earl bennett is a lock?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 26, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because your new franchise QB probably personally likes him.

And he’s in his second year and was drafted in… the 3rd round?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett's a lock

They’ve already said he’s progressed a ton at the end of the season, and workouts this year. Why would you invest in a WR so high and then dump him the following year? Plus, JA has said he now knows all three receiver positions.

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by propheteer on Apr 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennent said on the radio

that learning all three positions was what held him back on the playbook last year.

He’ll be much better this year and the fact he knows all 3 should make our offense a bit more interesting.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 26, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Because your new franchise QB probably personally likes him."

wow, now there is some rock hard evidence. This guy didn’t even sniff the field last year, there must have been a reason why. We needed wide outs and he still didn’t get any tick.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The "rock hard evidence" is that they went to college together for two years...

….as, um, QB & WR, and I remember Cutler saying he liked him, but I didn’t want to find the link so I minimized the assertion.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

again, way to state the obvious...

Then by your logic, the quarterback runs the team’s roster management and not the head coach/gm? I wonder who Cutler will pick to play free safety?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

This really isn't that hard

If your QB likes a WR, has a history with a WR that you took in the 3rd round last year, when the rest of the WRs are shit or rookies, wouldn’t you think he would be a lock?

by McRipper on Apr 27, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

they were all crap last year as well, Bennett got no tick.

what is so hard about this? You guys can continue to assume, but that is just making an ass out of u and me.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eat crow

Are you prepared to start munching when he’s slated as our starter opposite of Hester? Again, what don’t you understand about the concept of an investment? The only way he doesn’t make the roster is if he suffers a devastation injury.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

read below, you are missing the point.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

but he was talking about a lock for making the team, not starting. Can you really look at the roster and think that Bennett isn’t a lock to make the team? Unless the Bears trade for Boldin and sign a couple vets after cuts, I don’t see how he isn’t a lock.

by McRipper on Apr 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

my arguement is why he believed Bennett was a lock for the team. I believe he should have been on the field from day 1 last year.

“Because your new franchise QB probably personally likes him. " – this is not a logical reason to believe a certian player will make the 53 man roster. If the coaches choose him over someone else because of this, everyone at halas hall should be fired.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/21/848092/time-to-show-we-have-a-better#14535617

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett's a lock...

1. Bennett was Cutler’s go-to man at Vandy in 2005 (Cutler’s final year), when he caught 79 passes for 876 yards and nine touchdowns

2. Cutler’s final play of his college career was a game-winning TD pass to Earl Bennett.

3. Cutler actually went to Vanderbilt last off-season, to throw passes to Bennett in front of scouts on Bennett’s pro day, prior to the 2008 draft.

4. The Bears, of course, invested a 3rd round pick in Bennett last year.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

sack that is all good, man I don't argue with the fact he will make the team.

Him making the team though, has nothing to do with Cutler “probably personally” liking him though which was my argument. If he is on the field it is because he has learned the playbook and the coaches trust him to go out there and run the correct routes. You are right though he will get a shot because he was a 3rd round draft pick last year. I just don’t buy the argument that because Cutler “probably personally” likes him, he will be a lock for the roster. If you want to say he has improved his route running, can block, and has learned the playbook, I will buy that…

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about chemistry...

and our new franchise QB already has winning chemistry with him.

Unless he gets hurt, he’ll be on the field. Our QB trusts him, and our coaching staff and GM think highly of him, and expect production out of him.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

am i missing something?

what makes you think our coaching staff and GM think highly of him? WE HAD 0 NFL WIDE RECEIVERS LAST YEAR AND HE GOT 0 PLAYING TIME.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Jerry Angelo has done nothing...

but say good things about Bennett all off-season long at every opportunity.

He said Bennett unfairly earned a reputation of be being a slow learner last year, and supported Bennett by saying repeatedly that they had him learning the playbooks of 3 different WR positions last year.

Angelo continues to say how much they like him and how they are counting on him to be a major contributor next year.

Are you done now? Because this whole dialogue from up above is ridiculous.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

just because Angelo's been singing Bennett's praises,

does not mean he’s a lock to be a starter, or even be on the active roster. this is the same GM with the same head coach that kept Kevin Jones off the active roster because AP was a better special teams player.

Let’s not forget what they did to Mark Bradley; one moment he’s the number one WR, then the next moment, he’s getting cut a couple weeks into the season.

Then on the other hand, the Eagles did think T.O. was worth trading for because of how much him and McNabb gelled when they played together in probowls.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow you have logical thoughts going through your head?

bravo! You are absolutely right though.

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http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2009/4/26/854831/meet-your-2009-chicago-bears-draft#14884498

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought clarification was necessary

seeing that your articulation skills are that of a toddler.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You still have not explained to me why he didn't see the field last year if they are/were so confident in him.

We had no receivers (again) and he did not play (again). Why did he not play last year? Were Marty Booker, Rasheid Davis, Brandon Lloyd better options than letting a 3rd round pick develop?

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of life's greatest mysteries!

It was explained that the Bears wanted EB to learn all three WR positions before contributing in the game; they also mentioned he was “reacting” rather than playing the game at full speed during practice. It’s very rare for a rookie WR to have an impact their first year anyways. Royal and DJack had good years because they were in pass happy offensive schemes, and probably didn’t have to learn complex formations/patterns.

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by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some people also seem to forget

that Berrian barely made an impact on the field until his 3rd season. He had just 15 catches as a rookie… and only 13 during his second year. he turned out to be pretty darn good.

But, apparently Bennett should be thrown out with the pizza box in the trash, because he was learning on the bench?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

be thrown out? read my argument all over again.

I am not sure anything I have said has gotten through your skull.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 28, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the defensive line shapes up will be the story of training camp

I’m really pleased with the addition of Gilbert and to a lesser degree Melton. Dvoracek is in serious danger of becoming an ex-Bear, which is alright by me. He hasn’t done squat since coming to the Bears in 2006. On those few ocassions when he actually has been healthy his run stopping ability has been, in my opinion, dubious.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Melton

Just saying, as a life-long Horns and Bears fan, I was elated when I saw the Bears picked him up. He has always a hard worker, and a straight up beast. The guy was recruited to Texas to play RB, had some success there until Charles came in, then switched to DE, where he wrecked some shop due to his speed.

Expect him to make the roster, and get some play time with the way the Bears like to rotate their ends…

by jbeks on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Defensive line picture???

Alex Brown – solid albeit unspectacular
Adewale Ogunleye – overrated and living off the one great year he had in Miami
Tommie Harris – a very expensive enigma who is the biggest key to the defensive turnaround
Dusty Dvoracek – an injury plagued bust who should be cut during training camp
Marcus Harrison – I have no idea how good or bad he really is
Anthony Adams – serviceable defensive tackle
Israel Idonje – his versatility gives him an advantage
Mark Anderson – a one year wonder who should be cut during training camp
Jarron Gilbert – I like this pick a great deal
Henry Melton – intriguing developmental potential

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Ogunleye’s 2007 was quite good.

Meaningless, but good.

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to say the same thing.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ogunleye has become a pretty good run defender while he's been here.

Sure… we all want the sacks, but he’s been a good 3 down player.

I think if they find a good rotation to keep the motors running , we’ll get the pressure we want, as Marinelli is here to push these guys to the max.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harrison is the wildcard in 2009

I wish we had a better sense of what Harrison might develop into or not.

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need someone to start "showing up" Tommie Harris in practice

And maybe Harris will start playing football again, because he sure didn’t play much of it last year.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He needs to earn his money this year. There’s no excuse now.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's still on the roster?

I’d forgotten. When was the last time he made a play?

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 26, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Prince Ogunleye...

Makes me feel better when he’s on the field. He makes plays, maybe not double digit sacks like most would want, but he clearly makes plays and our D-line is better with him then without.

by Chitownproduct on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being a horns fan

Do you think Melton could transition to strong side LB? Given a year.

by rdent4hof on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give him two

He played two years of RB, then two years of DE. If we move him around too much, it’ll be Danieal Manning syndrome.

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow... the Red Sox just stole home

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a boring draft, but probably solid

Most reviews of this draft said that the talent level wasn’t particularly high, so I’m okay that we didn’t come out with any sure-fire day 1 starters (besides Cutler, of course). That said, this draft looks like it was made with 2010 in mind, not 2009. All of these guys, with the possible exception of Iglesias, are probably going to be special teamers at most this year. But a lot of them have the potential to be starters, and good ones, if we develop them well enough. With a team like the Bears, who have a lot of good veterans, that’s the kind of thing that works well; it’s the Pittsburgh Steelers model.

Some specific thoughts:
-Once Robiskie went, I didn’t think there was a WR worth spending our 2nd rounder on, so I was okay with the trade. I saw a lot of mock drafts who had us taking Iglesias with our 2nd rounder, so to get him with our (second!) 3rd rounder is tasty.
-Lack of a FS doesn’t bother me so much. I’ve said it higher up, but I don’t think there were any really good FS prospects in this draft. If we did draft someone, he’d only stick for a few years and we’d want to replace him again. I’m okay with trying to get by with what we have this year and answering the position long term next year.
-I thought Gilbert was a DE, not a DT? If he’s a tackle, I like this pick less because I feel better about our young DT depth than DE. Maybe he can play both? In any case, a young defensive line prospect can’t hurt.
-I really would have liked some interior OL prospects. I feel good about the next 2-3 years at the tackle spots, but I’m a bit worried about the interior positions. Especially if Kreutz starts to fall off; I don’t know who would replace him. And I prefer not to put rookies on the line if you can avoid it (which is why I was screaming for a LT years before we drafted Williams).

Overall, a decent draft for what our team is and what picks we had. I gave it a B.

BTW, what an awful haul Denver ended up getting out of what we gave them. Hope that works out for you Broncos!

by TCBullfrog on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post

I think Angelo did quite well. What pleases me most is the following…

1. He didn’t reach on a wide receiver or a safety
2. He proactively addressed the defensive line, which to me is a unit in need of overhaul
3. He got several players with promising longer term developmental promise (e.g., Melton, Knox)

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by BLou on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am content with what we got.

Especially considering the cost of Cutler. I’m satisfied with Iglesias, very happy about Knox and ecstatic about D.J. Moore, this kid is impressive. I think every thing worked out pretty good. Cutler may turn Iglesias and Knox in to super stars.

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by Haightminow on Apr 26, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

LET ME SAY THIS, AND THIS ALONE*:

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy to not have to have had freak out over the lack of a QB after last season.

*obviously, that wasn’t the only thing I said…

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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I think we received alot of great talent for the picks we had.

Gilbert is a beast, great value. Iglesias will be a great possession receiver, again great value. Melton I hope is a beast. Moore is a steal and will help sooner than later. Freeman will compliment Urlacher and Briggs way better than Hillenmeyer. Knox has blazing speed and great hands from what I have read. Don’t know about Al Aflalava? I hope we use Lance Louis as a full back. I could see this guy blowin mother fuckers up for Forte. For how big he is with that kind of speed, hell – pass the ball to him!!!

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

You can't give this draft less than

a B after we got Cutler. You can’t. Well, you can, but then you’d be an idiot.

I don’t know that we got any difference making starters (other than maybe DJ Moore, who could have a Vasher-like rookie season), but we got a lot of high-talent depth.

 We got younger and faster on the D-line which was needed, and Melton and Gilbert could be productive rotation guys. I could see Gilbert having an Anderson-like rookie season in limited play.

I like Iglesias a lot (I wouldn’t have hated him at 49), and think he can be a Bobby Engram-type guy for us.

Anyways, I’m happy. I think they still could use another move or two, but overall, I’m pleased with how day 2 went.

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by tomas21 on Apr 26, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I think looking for a veteran backup QB should be the priority between now and training camp. I’d be reasonably happy to start the season with the talent we have now. Safety is questionable, but I like Earl in that group along with Kevin Payne and if another veteran shows up before July at a reasonable price then we can start the season and I like our chances in the division.

by BearFan611 on Apr 26, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tampa has a lot of QB's.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking a C+ based on the draft picks alone

You throw in Cutler and this is looking like a B to B+ draft. I just hope we have enough in our secondary on defense and enough weapons on offense.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Engram is a god

but I am the unofficial president of the Bobby Engram fan club. Engram=greatest possession receiver in Bears history. If Iglesias has 1/2 the production of a healthy Engram in his prime, we got a STEAL. Plus Knox has huge potential on special teams with the excellent coaching he’ll get from the underrated hero of the Bears, Toub. I just wish we’d grabbed someone we could develop on our o-line.

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by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

It's being reported that the Bears offered the 49th pick straight up for Boldin

No more… and no less than that. That was the offer, for those who were wondering.

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 26, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Just signed undrafted FA

Dennis Conley OG/C from Hampton

http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog?post=4103708&name=dickerson

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by icarr0331 on Apr 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone have word on Mitch King?

He’s an undersized D tackle/ end that I believe could develop into a great sam back with good coaching. I hope we bring him in for a look.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's another word

defenestrate: As in; Go defenestrate yourself!

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don’t understand why iowa didn’t play him at LB… he just needs to drop a FEW pounds. i think the problem lies in his inability to drop into coverage(not a single pick in a five year college career). 3-4 defense seems to be his calling.

by windycity72 on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL sorry

Just noticed that I got the courtesy shout out for the vids….so thanks for the props on that….

X_X’

lol

by CloudyFuture on Apr 26, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Like the banter tho

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 26, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Kiper just called Gilbert

his steal of the draft.

Don’t know whether to be comforted or scared that Kiper liked the pick…

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 26, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I just got home from work...

Was reading the comments and was like “who the he’ll is this chick acting like she’s been here before” then after looking at your sig about 200 times I finally figured out it was you cubbie… You totally blew my mind!

Awww, man what am I supposed to do about my sig now?

by scespy12 on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just got back on...

Checked in randomly throughout the day with GG.
Great job on keeping everything updated guys!
I was really disappointed when we didn’t grab Rashad Johnson, and definitely yelled at the TV and GG a few times. :)
But I’m hoping that these guys will work out for the best. I think it was a good draft overall and I can’t believe we have to wait so long to see all of them in action…
…is it football season yet?

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Apr 26, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I seem to be in the minority

The main goal in this draft should have been to get a very good WR. The receivers now seem to be 6 guys best-suited for slot WRs and Brandon Rideau. I think we picked up depth and got good value with a few of the picks. Maybe in a year Gilbert can be a decent starter at DE(I think this is where the Bears will want him to play, not DT). Iglesias could become a very capable third WR on most other teams. Unfortunately, thats about the same ceiling for every other Bear WR.

by gillrowdy on Apr 27, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Brad Biggs lists the Bears’ FA signings here. The one that interests me is Will Taufoou (Danzig posted a video here), as we’re not keen on McKie and Lance Louis is projected for the OL.

Really, though, no need for McKie to remain on the roster, right?

by Spongie on Apr 27, 2009 3:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Buh Bye Now...

Time for somebody else to run the fruitless one yard dive over the middle…

by sabbath999 on Apr 27, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hi, first post here.

But I’m a regular at BCB. If I could give Jerry an A-, I would. But I’ll give him an A since I cant. He picked up good depth players at crucial positions on the d-line and got some interesting prospects at receiver.

by northernsails on Apr 27, 2009 3:03 AM CDT reply actions  

interesting FA picks. i’d like to see will taufoou at fullback. as it is, i expect forte to have explode out of the backfield this year… never been a big fan of JA, but just like evertybody else in the NFL, he’s fighting for his job and he knows it!!! btw, does anybody know what happened with ken lucas???

by windycity72 on Apr 27, 2009 3:34 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a very good Day 2, and Cutler was like the No. 1 overall pick

So that’s a great draft.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:38 AM CDT reply actions  

And we're not done making moves, IMHO

We could use an upgrade at FS. Well, look at our CB roster — a bunch of guys (including Manning, who is enigmatic to me) are really very good and could play more for other teams. Could that be a training camp trade in the works? Because if Bowman is healthy and Moore comes as advertised, then Vasher and Graham start looking like trade bait.

A veteran QB? Sure. If someone with some tread left gets cut. And that’s not unusual.

And the WR group: After the three locks mentioned above (Hester, Bennett, Igelesias), it’s wide open. I’d love the commenters who say Rideau has potential to be right (I just haven’t seen him play enough to have an opinion), but I figure with three open slots there’s a very good chance that one of our opening day roster winners isn’t yet on the team.

I think Louis is fascinating, and we could have one helluva power formation with two tight ends, Olsen split wide, and Louis as a lead blocker.

I’m happy to see so much depth at DL, but confused about the NT position. Dusty is a bust, leaving Adams the only other NT type. How important is that to our scheme?

At linebacker, I suspect Hillenmeyer’s in danger of being cut, but one of these younger guys really needs to step up and make an impact. And does Urlacher really have a backup?

In summary: Mini-Bears 66, Packers 0.

And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

by xarker on Apr 27, 2009 6:51 AM CDT reply actions  

What a great morning...

I have a good friend and coworker who is a rabid Raiders fan, and I just went over to his desk and asked him if he wanted to compare how our teams did in the draft…

“Go frack yourself” he said with a growl.

Or something very similar to that :)

by sabbath999 on Apr 27, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Am I to far....

… in left field with this one? Melton at 6-3 280 pounds, Gabriel said he runs a 4.65. With all of the defensive ends on the team, how about Melton learning strong side LB? just a thought.

by rdent4hof on Apr 27, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Man,

if we’d gotten Rashad Johnson with that late 3rd, I would’ve been in draft heaven. But this is still a good, solid draft by Jerry. Take advantage of Marinelli – get him elite prospects to work with.

Super exciting. Can’t wait for August.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 27, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

this years draft featured alot of questionable reaches, except Bears, they had steals

Note that many teams in the first round reached, how that will pan out we will see, but already there are many question marks in the first round, especially with so many draft pick trades, many teams feeling that there guy wasn’t there. The Bears on the other hand had some guys land to them that they really thought would be already gone, and the positions it happened in where so key for the Bears, pass rusher defensive line, an aggressive play making cornerback, and a dependable good handed receiver. Not to mention the speedy Knox in the slot. Apparently the Ohio State linebacker was a somewhat of a steal to.

This reminds me of the steals of last year, defensive lineman Marcus Harrison, and wide receiver Earl Bennet. Both get support this year they didn’t have last season, new defensive line coach with a hella-lot of experience and quarterback Jay Cutler. Harrison showed enough in flashes in his rookie season to make me believe this guy can be a real monster, with the right techniques and coaching.

The Ghost of Ron Rivera haunts the Windy City...

by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

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