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NFL Draft Grades - Chicago Bears

I'm not going to post all of these, they are all pretty much the same.  They either factor in Jay Cutler and give us an 'A' or they don't and give us a 'B' with a wait and see.

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GM Jerry Angelo took the draft's first day off, but that's because he made his major move weeks ago when trading for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, a proven performer. Based on his recent results, Angelo's trade for Cutler was undoubtedly better than any players he could have taken in the draft. If Cutler leads the Bears to the playoffs, this draft was a total success.

Oklahoma receiver Juaquin Iglesais was a solid pickup with the 99th overall selection. Some teams rated him in the second round. Vanderbilt cornerback D.J. Moore is a very tough player despite his 5-9 frame. But the steal for the Bears could be San Jose State defensive end Jarron Gilbert, who was known for his You Tube video of being able to jump out of a swimming poolGrade: B-

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USA Today:

• Chicago Bears: Count QB Jay Cutler in this equation, cost Bears their No. 1 and more. Grade goes up if he performs. Bears had real needs in the pass-rush area after no player had more than six sacks last year. DEJarron Gilbert has size and quickness and was a nice grab in the third round. Grabbed another DE in fourth round and a CB as well. Bears knew where their holes were and tried to fill. No real O-line help and could have interior issues.

Yahoo Sports:

Bottom line: B. The lack of a pick in the first two rounds hurts a nice-sized class, and Iglesias isn’t going to solve the wide receiver issues. However, Gilbert could blossom into a good pass rusher from the tackle spot, and the fact that the first-round pick was traded in a deal for quarterback Jay Cutler is factored in.

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Angelo did well

I am very pleased that the Bears aren’t living in denial about the defensive line and have brought in Gilbert and Melton in attempts to upgrade. The defensive line was not good in 2008, nor particularly earth shattering in 2007 either. With Brian Urlacher declining by the moment it is also a smart move to try and shore up Defensive Tackle so as not to over-expose Urlacher in the middle. Dusty Dvoracek is an injury-plagued bust who needs to go. Mark Anderson is also in danger of being cut unless he significantly steps up his consistency.

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by BLou on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I’ve got this funny feeling Gilbert might become the second coming of Reggie.

by payton#34 on Apr 27, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

big praise

if he is half of what Reggie was, we have a steal.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Apr 27, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

More

gave an A: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=542934

But all these grades are kind of ridiculous at this stage anyway. The draft was done according to evaluations, and the evaluation of the draft is based on how teams conformed to those same evaluations. So, if you do what Mel Kiper would’ve done, you get an A; if you don’t, you get an F. And of course every team that has two number 1’s (like the Packers) gets an A, because gosh they got two players Mel had graded in the first round. Its all circular logic at this point. If you ask me, the Packers draft is terrible. BJ Raji is a big fatass who most resembles Jimmy Kennedy, and Clay Matthews looks chemically-enhanced, but even if not, wasnt all that dominant in college to begin with.

But the real analysis only comes later, when guys like Nathan Vasher come or Lance Briggs comes out of the 5th and 3rd rounds, and blow the projections away. Do we have such a player this year? Who knows. Give it three years and then grade it.

by Orval Overall on Apr 27, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Marcus Freeman

In my opinion, this guy is going to be the next Briggs.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

don banks of SI is not impressed

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/26/snap.judgments/index.html?eref=T1

couple of his comments:

“I don’t know what to make of this pool-jumping story that has apparently made Bears third-round pick Jarron Gilbert a bit of a YouTube sensation. The San Jose State defensive tackle made waves (sorry, couldn’t resist) last summer when he was video-taped jumping out of the shallow end of a pool after being told that ex-Rams, Redskins and Bears safety Adam Archuleta had once performed the same feat. OK, I get it that it means Gilbert is one very strong dude. Granted. But does it ensure that he can really jack up the Bears’ pass rush? I don’t think so. No more than Kyle Boller being able to throw it through the goal posts from midfield on his knees made him a great quarterback in Baltimore when he was taken in the first round out of Cal in 2003.”
“What’s up with Chicago’s crush on Vandy? With the Bears picking Vanderbilt cornerback D.J. Moore in the fourth round (119th overall), Lovie Smith’s team is turning into the Commodores-North. Moore will have as teammates in Chicago four other ex-Vandy players: quarterback Jay Cutler, offensive tackle Chris Williams, receiver Earl Bennett and linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer. By one unofficial count, there are six other Vanderbilt products in the entire rest of the NFL — or one more than in Chicago.”

by CloudyFuture on Apr 27, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Neither is Peter King -- but who cares?

King: “• Chicago. Traded out of Day 1 and took a bunch of guys. Failed to get Anquan Boldin in trade, but didn’t try very hard. Forget who’s in the nine-man class. The Bears’ draft is Jay Cutler.”

Thats pretty lazy analysis right there.

by Orval Overall on Apr 27, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think or my guess is

that the reason some of these “op-columnists” are down on the Bears draft is due to the fact that the Bears didnt take any “big names”….The only close thing to a “big name” that those people all knew was maybe Marcus Freeman….

Course we dont even know what these guys can do on the Bears really so I guess we will see….Hope they all pan out…

by CloudyFuture on Apr 27, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don Banks can...

blow me. If the Vandy boys produce who cares what he thinks. I really think we did a good job with the picks we had, but you never know until the regular season. I have seen a lot of #1 busts in my day that were suppose to be the next great thing. Let’s see how it plays out. I still feel great about this season.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 27, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

DJ Moore

This guy will prove everyone wrong real quickly. He’s a perfect fit in the cover-2, showing great instincts rather than great speed. I’ll take that over measurables any day of the week.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

DJ Moore Shut down Percy Harvin head-to-head last year

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vandy

Why would the Bears want another player from there? Dripping with sarcasm if you didn’t pick it up.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

King also said...

“Cincinnati. Hard to knock this draft. Impossible, quite frankly.”

Well, here’s one possible criticism: For a team that has been burned, repeatedly, over the last five years by players with bad/immature/felonious attitudes, they go out and draft Mr. Immaturity himself, Andre Smith, at #6 overall (guaranteeing $20mm to a kid that walked out on the combine and was grossly out of shape at workouts); Rey Maulauga in the 2d round despite strong evidence of immaturity there as well; and then in the 6th round draft Bernard Scott, who is described as follows in an article quoted on the NFL’s own webpage: “Talented but troubled back that may not get a chance to play because he’s like a cat that has used up his nine lives. The abridged version is that he’s had success and trouble everywhere he’s been. Problems with authority including hitting a coach at one of his four college stops … Had the talent to play Division I but not the inclination to follow rules. … Talent warrants higher grade. Off-field problems say don’t waste your time.” (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81003872)

Again: “Impossible” to knock that draft. So I really could care less what these yokels say about the Bears. At least we didn’t draft a guy who looked like this running the 40

http://deadspin.com/5227399/andre-smith-needs-your-support-both-emotionally-and-areolically

by Orval Overall on Apr 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Plenty to knock

about Cincy’s draft. They’ve fallen and they can’t get up! Everytime they say they’re going to change their philosophy they go out and get these questionable character guys. Drafting Smith over Moore will prove to be the last straw for Marvin Lewis.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 27, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the Smith pick though

None of his off the field stuff has been criminal, just young and dumb. You can get older and smarter.

He was a beast on the field. If he can get his business side together, he’ll be really good for a long time.

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 27, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Draft grades are meaningless

What does Don Banks or Peter King know specifically about each of these draftees and the thinking at Halas Hall in terms of how they fit into the Bear equation? Answer is very, very little. Whether some “football expert” gives the Bears a “A” or a “F” doesn’t matter. All that matters is that several of the draftees ultimately wind up as meaningful contributors on the football field.

What you can do is say whether a team had a good draft in general. For example, I think Green Bay did nicely in obtaining Naji and Matthews as part of their transition to the 3-4. But I also think the Bears addressed specific longer-term needs and did well in their own right.

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by BLou on Apr 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Angelo on radio (Both the score and espn 1000) Notes

For those that might have missed it…

Thought the draft went well….

talked about Robiskie not falling and how they wanted to trade for a WR (Angelo didnt say who lol) and when that didnt happen they looked at D line but thought they might get better value by trading back….

Would not go into more about the boldin “incident” since he is on another team and not on the Bears….

Looked at Dline picks and WRs that were left on their board for that First 3rd round pick more specifically DEs though but took Gilbert…

Think Melton is raw but thinks Rod can mold him nicely….

Iglesias is nothing like Mark Bradley and went on how Iglesias is more a possession WR and Bradley a HR guy….ran better routes than Mark maybe a little better hands…Thought Mark and a lot of upside….thinks Iglesias has upside…
 
Felt Moore slipped due to height he thought teams reached on other CBs because of height…

Felt Moore plays bigger than 5’10"…..

Steltz is starting FS and will have competition with Bullocks, Bowman and Al

Would not completely rule out Tillman moving to FS but doubt it would happen…

Likes the WR on the roster and hopes they step up to produce and with Cutler as QB thinks the WR will produce a little more…

Liked Mitchell (the oak FS) but had a lower round grade on him…would of liked him on the team….

Wanted all spots to be competitive going into training camp and hopes the picks push the other players on the roster….

Pushed that Bennett had to learn 3 WR positions and thats why he did not see the field as much….Though he did pick it up late in the season….

Really gushed about Knox and was STUNNED he was their in the 5th round…Same thing with Freeman STUNNED that no one picked him up especially “Cover 2” teams….

Thinks Afalava will contribute most on special teams….

Lance Louis will be experimented with at TE and a little FB due to his size and maintaining his speed…

Really likes Will Taufoou as a FB likes his physical play and ability to catch the ball a little out of the backfield…..Thinks the Louis pick and Taufoou will push McKie in camp….Note : IMO the way Angelo sounded on this it sounded like McKie is done here in Chicago thats the feeling I got anyways guess we will see…

And finally a quote from Angelo ’ a talented team without hunger is a losing team’….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 27, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the recap

I guess I’m not getting JAs take on Gilbert clearly. Is he considering him more in the mix as DE or DT?

by gillrowdy on Apr 27, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think key to this draft is Gilbert and Freeman

With fewer teams running the Cover-2 that may be a reason why Freeman lasted until the 5th. He has the talent to play the defense that Lovie stubbornly wants to stick with, so he shall be interesting to watch. Gilbert is absolute key. If he can push the disappointing Tommie Harris and tag team with Marcus Harrison at the other DT spot then he could become a huge factor.

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by BLou on Apr 27, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ops forgot that what to put what JA/Lovie planned for Gilbert

when asked JA said that Gilbert will be a DT (behind Tommie) and that they will Kick Harrison over to NT…Gilbert will play end in “Running situations”….This was more of trying to have a plan for Tommie missing games…what ever that means….

Freeman he didnt really say much other that whats above…

by CloudyFuture on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been clamouring for some real competition for McKie

McKie doesn’t do anything exceptionally well. He’s just a guy. That’s it.

Hopefully Louis can turn into a monster of a fullback for us.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I mentioned... From the sound of it

McKie is done from the way JA was talking about cause he really liked the Taufoou kid and sort of stressed that he wanted a blocking big TE/FB type (ie Lance Louis) on the roster…dunno if you seen the vids on Taufoou but he looked impressive in it…(Course who doesnt look impressive in highlight vids lol)…..

by CloudyFuture on Apr 27, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm excited that we're creating competition there.

Our interior O-line was small last year, and combined with McKie… we didn’t get a lot of push in the run game. Time to improve that.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really liked what he had to say about the D-line picks...

He talked about “ceiling” more than “floor,” but was really driving home the point that they want to find guys who can make plays on 3rd down.

So… as we’ve suspected, they’re looking for rotational pass rushers, to get those motors running full speed on 3rd down. I like that.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley vs. Iglesias

Not even close.
Iglesias has great FBI. Bradley was functionally iliterate. Scored 10 on the wonderlick. Chimps pressing random # average a score of ten. Even after the Bears specially designed a “Remedial” playbook for him, he still didn’t know where to go half the time. Bradley never even cracked the starting line up in OU. Never better than a #4 reciever in College! Blew out his knee in JC and again before the Bears drafted him at #2.
Iglesiass rock solid, never any injury issues and Was a three year starter. The receiving part of a formidable OU Offense!
Not even close!!!

by pete banachi on Apr 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

why do people feel compelled to compare Iglesias to Bradley?

Because they’re the same height and went to OU? Other than that, they’re polar opposites. Oh and the Chiefs head coach Todd Haley, you know the guy that worked with Boldin and Fitz, and turned Marty Booker into a Probowler, and made Tony Romo a star, Wanted the cowboys to draft him when he was in Dallas, and has already endorsed Bradley as starting WR opposite Dwayne Bowe.

PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 28, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hub Arkush says Henry Melton may be converted to Offensive Lineman ala Big Cat Williams

Bears like Melton enough to give him a full shot as a Defensive Lineman. But dependent on how he looks on the defense during the summer Melton may be asked to move to the Offensive Line.

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by BLou on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

God, I hope not

He’s athletic enough to, but he’s a little small for OL. And the threat of DMS is always there.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

DEJarron Gilbert's pool video

Means the Bears are a cinch to in all the games we play under water

by The Ghost of Rusty Lisch on Apr 27, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Niiiiiice.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.

by Just Dave on Apr 27, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

FG block team...

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially if we’re allowed to wheel on a water tank for him to start from…

by Spongie on Apr 28, 2009 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whats not to love!

How can this be a bad draft! First off they get Cutler and without a first day pick they come away with 3 or 4 possible 2nd rounders that have high ceilings and are great fits for what the Bears do. Gilbert led the nation with 22 TFl’s along with 9.5 sacks. Iglesias is a good possession receiver, Melton has huge potential. DJ Moore is a Vasher type playmaker only with more toughness. Knox adds speed and great hands, Marcus Freeman is a great STer and could play any LB position. Afalava is another beast on ST’s and brings a hard hitting style and Lance Louis is a 300 lber that ran a 4.72 forty who would be great a TE on short yardage and goal line formations while Kinder was a solid receiver before tearing his knee up and never got back on track at Pitt, though he still led the team in receiving.

 Whats not to love, how does a team draft that late and get this kind of quality that fills needs and fots the system. Remeber the Colts and Steelers generally do not have pretty drafts as well, though they seem to be doing OK. Besides Banks and King are very low on my list of so called draft experts. If I want an opinion I’ll go with Kiper or Mayock

by Will54 on Apr 30, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

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