QuickLook: Hester, Manning, and KR/PR

Over the last several weeks, the debate over how to best utilize Devin Hester has popped up on more than a few occassions. Hester can contribute at wide receiver, kick returner, and punt returner... and has proven on many times he can be a game-changer any time he touches the football. It could even be argued (and it has been) that Devin Hester was the main reason the Chicago Bears went to the Super Bowl in 2006.
A while back, I wrote a FanPost that focused on the Bears Special Teams rankings and stats since 2005. But for the purpose of this post, let's take it in another direction...
Devin Hester KR:
2006: 20 att- 528 yds/ 26.4 avg/ 2 tds (NFL rank: 5th)
2007: 43 att- 934 yds/ 21.7 avg/ 2 tds (35th)
Devin Hester PR:
2006: 47 att- 600 yds/ 12.8 avg/ 3 tds (2nd)
2007: 42 att- 651 yds/ 15.5 avg/ 4 tds (2nd)
After the 2007 season, Devin Hester was quoted as saying "I can’t go out and play this year making $445,000. Come on, man."
After returning from 2 days of sitting out of training camp, the Bears awarded Hester with a 4 year contract, worth up to $40 million. He was then converted to wide receiver, while still contributing to special teams. His numbers in 2008:
KR: 31 att- 679 yds/ 21.9 avg/ 0 tds (31st)
PR: 32 att- 198 yds/ 6.2 avg/ 0 tds (23rd)
WR: 51 catches- 665 yds/ 13 avg/ 3 tds (47th)
In the meantime, Danieal Manning lead the NFL in kick returns in 2008:
36 att- 1,070 yds/ 29.7 yds/ 1 td
So, after navigating through all of the statistics, let's bring out some other points to the table:
- Devin Hester's play-making ability should warrant him touching the ball as many times per game as possible, including KR, PR, and WR.
- Devin Hester's contract should force him into a full-time WR role.
- Devin Hester should go back to being solely used on ST... after all, he might be the best ever at KR/PR. He single-handedly changed games, even when he didn't touch the football (teams kicking out of bounds).
- Devin Hester should be used as trade-bait to try and score another big time wide reciever... he'll never be a true #1 WR, and he is eating up way too much money as a ST player.
- Cutler + Hester + revamped OL = Big numbers for Hester in 2009.
How valuable is Hester to the Chicago Bears?
How should he be best utilized?
How much production should we expect from him in 2009?
Who should be returning kicks and punts for us this season?
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Cutler won’t miss Hester on a fly route. He’ll have a number of big plays this year.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
I like him more...
As a ST/PR kind of guy at this point, but he has too much speed not to be a WR for Cutler to throw to. Find out what happens this year first, then see if he is ready to be a #1 in the NFL.
Devin Hester was a truly bad return man in 2008
Clear to me that the duties of serving as a Wide Receiver and a Return man are too much. Hester still remains very raw as a wide receiver. His most significant contribution as a receiver has been in drawing the yellow flag and that is about it.
Needless to say 2009 is a BIG year for Hester. He really needs to step up. I have a hunch his days returning the football are over, which I’m not sure is the best way to go. I’d rather make him full-time return man and abandon the wide receiver thing instead of the other way around.
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Well if Manning of Knox
can handle the Return duties and do as well as Hester, which is evident by Mannings stats last year. Then isnt hester better utlilized for his receiving potential. After all we cant take Manning and thow him at wideout if we return Hester to just the return duties. I think Hester has the skill necessary to be a darn good receiver in the league and only time will tell if Cutler throwing to him is the thing Hester was missing last year. After all how many times did we seem him with a step on the defender and the ball was underthrown causing the interference calls. We know Jay can put it out there all Hester has to do is Run to it.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think circumstances and history are the two main things to look at here...
First of all the Bears need WR’s. Even though I felt like he was inconsistent catching the ball, seemed scared to go across the middle and did little to prove he can be a top notch receiver in the NFL, I think we need him in the WR corp. Until we either sign a quality vet or develop some youngsters, bottom line he is our most dangerous (dare I say best?) WR. In that line of thinking, he plays WR full time as our go-to guy until someone else steps up (or is brought in) or until his career is over if he continues to improve. I think he his more valuable as a PR than a KR to this team, especially after Manning showed that he could be a top notch KR last year. If he can figure out what happened with his PR duties and the lack of production last year, I say we put him there. If not I like Garret Wolfe as a speedy, change or direction guy that might be good on PR.
If we don’t need him at WR or he never pans out, you either get rid of him because of his contract (or resign him for less) or move him back to strictly a PR/KR with maybe a handful of snaps a game on Offense MAX.
He did have a lot to do with the Bears field position and their success that year that he set all the records as well as some bright spots the next year. The defense had a lot to do with that Super Bowl year as well. That was a very unique, Bears’ kind of season that I don’t think is a formula for long-term success (dont’ get me wrong Defense and Special Teams is part of it but not relying on those two units to outscore your opponents). The acquisition of a franchise QB and solidify both sides of the line would be more of the type of formula that has been proven to work in the NFL and is where our management has shaped the team going forward.
I would love to see wolfe returning...
but according to Larry Mayer (I don’t have a link, but it was in one of the chalk talks last season) Wolfe isn’t good at catching punts. He said catching punts was a lot different than returning kicks and neither wolfe or manning were very good at catching them.
Also on KR/PR players...
… saw something last year (like most of us probably did) that went over the production of top returners after being moved to full-time roles on offense and none of them had the success returning as they did before. I don’t know if Hester is the exception to the rule but going by history, I’d say our best bet is to continue to develop him at least until we have better options at the WR position.
all cutler does for hester
is give him a better chance to make the play on the deep pass. hester still has to catch it, which he proved can be an issue even with a perfectly thrown ball. he runs one route well.
hester was a slam dunk returnman. he is a project wr.
And has a contract worth up to $40mil
With $15mil guaranteed…
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I give him 1 more year at WR
before doing anything else. 51 catches for 665 is not horrible. With a better O-line and a much, much better QB, he’ll improve. Another offseason of studying, preseason reps, etc, will help him improve. Is he going to the probowl? Doubt it. Will he help the Bears go 12-4? You bet.
DH's contract emphasizes WR play
Hester is no longer a good PR/KR man because he has no incentive to be.
Why? The Bears built Hester’s contract for WR success…NOT punt or kick returns.
The result? In 08 he played scared on punt and kick returns – he ran to avoid getting hurt. Otherwise he wouldn’t get as much money from playing WR.
Don’t believe me? Rewatch his PR/KR tapes for 2007 and 2008. In 07 Hester caught a punt/kick and charged straight line into heavy traffic. In 08, he avoided traffic and contact at all costs – including those gawdawful reversals. He ran scared.
BTW, Itsugly is right – Hester would be utterly amazing in the slot with Fitzgerald and Boldin, but he’s not a number 1 WR.
In short, Hester’s contract was a screwup for which both the Bears and Hester are responsible. Its a damn shame.
by msnyder275 on Apr 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Has to be the last year of this experiment
I said in an earlier post, that I would like to see this new group of WR’s get a chance to compete for the position. Too many people talk about Hester as if he’s a #1 receiver, which he still hasn’t proven as far as I’m concerned. His returns last year were absolutely horrible and I’m not sure you can blame all of that on splitting time and focus, but the only place he’s actually proven himself is in the return game so if you have a new guy who can play WR just as well as he can (shouldn’t be a stretch there) then his best chance of being a productive player is back on special teams.
he should talk to Deion more often
I’m not being completely serious here, but he definitely looked hesitant during his returns last year – Toub obviously couldn’t get through to him, so how about his mentor giving him a little advice?
That's cause...
Taub doesn’t write the checks, and let’s face it, guys like Hester who were “hot” one year, expect to get $$$ and he did. His work is over. JUst ask Vasher if you don’t believe me.
That's bull shit dude
I don’t believe that at all. He was “hot” for two years, no wait…. he became the best return man ever in his first two years in the league and he got the money he deserved. The Bears decided to switch him to a position he’s never really played and he’s going through his growing pains. I thought he did a decent job last year. Not great, but certainly not bad enough to warrant that he’s given up and “his work is over”.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
timeline's a little off
the money came after the switch, after they said it was possible he was a number 1.
anyone else in the league get paid more than a million a touchdown?
Ooooh...
Good question. I’d be willing to say yes.
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Hester will break out at WR this year with Cutler throwing the ball.
I believe with all my heart he will finally break out as the receiver we all want him to be. Orton couldn’t throw an accurate long ball to save his life last season. There was one accurate long ball that I remember thrown to him when he was wide open and he missed it. All the sudden that one pass defines him as a receiver? I am sure that he was open more than we think last year but Orton didn’t make the read. He will have plenty of opportunities this year guaranteed and he will bust out. I keep hearing our fans talk about us needing a KR this season and don’t really understand. Manning is a beast!!! He has done nothing but kick-ass since returning kickoff’s. I can see us needing some depth, but let’s not get carried away and replace him.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 28, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It might be worth noting as well...
that we may be expecting fireworks everytime we get the ball kicked or punted to us. But as another blogger pointed out, if we can just get solid field position from whoever our returners are, hopefully our OL/QB/RB can take advantage.
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Crap.
Is Ron Turner still our OC? I keep thinking he was packaged in the trade…
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You can tell by his demeanor..
all the guy wants to do is win and contribute as much as possible to make that happen. He’s NOT one of those guys who is just there for a paycheck. I agree – time to throw the BS flag.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Where do you see that commitment to winning?
Did you see that when he held out last season? I’m not saying dump him yet, just let there be competition at the WR spot. I just don’t understand this “Sammy Sosa” type of worship fans have for Hester where he comes before the team. He did a great job for 2 years AS A KICK RETURNER and I hope he has many more, but he shouldn’t get an automatic #1 receiver designation when he hasn’t earned that yet. I’m not saying he can’t do it, but I am saying that we have no reason to think that he’s any better than one of these new guys who have played the position in college. PUT THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD IN THE POSITION WHERE THEY ARE MOST PRODUCTIVE!!!!
My first response to this was taken off for some reason but
with Cutler and another WR or two, WE WILL SEE!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Hester should be better this year
He had a down year for a lot reasons. Learning a new position and opposing teams did a better job covering him. Hester’s talents are wasted on a bad team (like last year) With a bad defense teams are punting less and if they do punt it’s from further down the field. And with a bad(ish) offense, teams don’t have to punt to Hester because does Orton really strike fear in opposing defenses? Not really. But with Cutler, I think teams will punt more to Hester rather than give a short field to Cutler. Another year learning WR will help Hester relax a bit, I am sure last year he put a lot of pressure on himself to excel at both positions. Hopefully this year he will just do what he does best on PRs and not have to think so hard as a WR.
by Sam Householder on Apr 28, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
those were great times
and i am sure we will have many more.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Apr 28, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That wasnt just any kicker
it was our old buddy Todd Sauerbrun. And before the game he talked alot of mess about not letting Hester return anything on him. OOPS he really stuck his foot in his mouth that day.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
There are some very good points
I think that this year there should be no more excuses. Am i asking for a 128 rec 1,300 and 15 TD year? No, but with a QB that can get him the ball i think that he needs to produce as a number 1. I read an article after this past season that said he had so much on his mind last year trying to prove he can play WR and his PR suffered because of it. He also said he would play distraction free and give all his praise to God among other things. The fact is he is getting number 1 receiver money. He now has a QB and I truly believe this will be a breakout year at WR for him. I want nothing but the best for the Bears and Hester. As far as him returning to KR/PR…we cannot afford that this season until we get a #1. So like it or not..he is a #1 WR this year by default.
Don't drink the Hater-ade
What’s with all the criticism?
Hester caught lightning in a bottle in 2006-07 as a return specialist. The league has never seen anything like that, and regardless of the theories here, Hester may never reach that level of return performance again. It was magic, and the more I watch some of those highlights, the less sure I am of how they happened.
Second, we lost some important contributors to special teams last season in free agency. What effect did that have on our return game?
As to Hester being awful on PR & KR in 2008 — he was. But look at the progress he made as a WR: zero receptions in 06, 20 in 2007, about 50 in 2008. He was a corner when we drafted him. He’s only had two years as a receiver.
What do those 52 catches mean?
By my count, 179 of our 2008 completions went to backs and tight ends, leaving 127 for our entire wide receiving corps. In comparison, Andre Johnson caught 115 passes all by himself. Devin Hester caught 41 percent of all our WR completions last year.
He was 46th among NFL WRs in receptions, 42nd in yards. Not stellar.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
BUT when you look at the young WRs...
Hester was 6th among 3rd year receivers. And if you’re realistic about it, he really WASN’T a third year man, but a second year WR.
I think he’s made strides, and in this, his 3rd year as a wideout, he’ll improve significantly. But even if he doesn’t, it doesn’t mean he’s a bust.
Should he be a No. 1? Not at this stage of his career, but what choice does he have? If David Terrell hadn’t been a bust, he’d be in the spot. If Mark Bradley’s knee hadn’t been a chronic problem, he’d be in the spot. If Bernard Berrian… well, you get my drift. Hester HAD to be the No. 1, because there was no one else.
So here’s the thing: I’m expecting around 65 catches, 14 ypc avg., 900+ yards and seven receiving touchdowns, with maybe nine total. That’s a very good year for a third-year receiver.
And if they can put him back on punt returns maybe once a game, or boost his special teams assignments once a month, gravy. Carolina does that with Smith, you know: He returns kicks and punts when the situation calls for it.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.

























