Don't Grill Angelo Just Yet

by Adam T on Apr 29, 2009 9:06 AM CDT

While reading through post draft articles the last few days, I've seen a number that go after Jerry Angelo for not making a better effort to get Anquan Boldin. I planned to write on it, but found that it was already mentioned here.

The gist of everybody's article seems to be that Angelo half-heartedly offered the #2 to AZ for Boldin, they declined and Jerry Angelo let it go. I wanted to take a "back off approach" toward JA on this one.

We don't know the story, so we can't pretend to guess at how half heartedly we went after him.

JA: "We'll give you our #2"

AZ: "We want a 1 and 3"

JA: "We'll give you our #2 and #3"

AZ: "We want a 1 and 3"

JA: "How about we give you our #2 and #3, a safety we don't have and a guy that a really cool and awesome web site nicknamed Dropapotamus"

AZ: : "In that case, you have a deal"

That is not how it works. Angelo could have backed a Brinks truck loaded with gold, second day picks and a ruby-encrusted amulet that would transfer the heart and talent of Kurt Warner into Matt Lienart and it wouldn't have mattered. If they wanted a #1 this year there is nothing Angelo could have done. Sure, he could have tried to sell them on our #1 in 2011, but that not only would likely be a very late first rounder it also roams closely to the subject of hijacking the team's future.

I don't know what happend on the phone in the War Room as the minutes ticked away and neither does David Haugh or anybody else that wasn't in that room. The fact is Angelo made an attempt to get a top 10 receiver to go with a top 5 quarterback. The deal just didn't get done, but he certainly took a shot.

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Me and JA...

… are cool. GeauxBears with your Boldin post, we’re not cool.

by rdent4hof on Apr 29, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions

Well put

Too many fans have a tendancy to think that anytime any famous player becomes available that the other team will take anything we have to offer. If it doesn’t get done it’s because we either didn’t try hard enough or the other team was unrealistic. Sometimes there just isn’t the right mix to get a deal done. The fact that he even tried is a very positive sign. I’ve never been a big Angelo fan but I think he does deserve to be cut some slack here. If we miss the playoffs again and the whole coaching staff isn’t sent packing, then that’s a different story.

by BearFan611 on Apr 29, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions

Absolutely

couldn’t have said it better myself.

by rdent4hof on Apr 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions

I already changed it scespy :)

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by ChiFan13 on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions

Cutler isn't a Top-5 quarterback yet.

Manning
Brady
Brees
Rivers
Warner

are all better for sure.

rodgers, schaub, romo, ryan, manning and mcnabb are probably in the same group as cutler, but that’s arguable. None of them, including Cutler, have enough history. Except for McNabb: he’s definitely been great, but almost definitely on the decline.

I’d take Cutler over any of them at this point, save rodgers, due to his age.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions

I'd take Cutler over Rivers

Not saying he’s better, though it’s probably disputable, but I’ve always liked Cutler more than Rivers for some reason.

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Rivers doesn't have a strong arm, so people aren't wowed by him.

But, my god! he’s efficient. 35 TD’s and 11 INT’s. Holy crap!!!

I went to look what FootballOutsiders.com had to say, and there’s Cutler at No. 5 from last year. Alas, there’s no Brady. And they throw him in there with… yep, the four I mentioned. Man, I think like a stat-head… all about efficiency.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Can't argue the efficiency

But for some reason like I said, I like Cutler more. No question both are good and will duke it out for the next 10 years to be at the top of the QB list, hopefully we’ll see a classic Cutler VS. Rivers matchup in the SB.

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Apr 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

Phillip Rivers is a better quarterback than Jay Cutler

Until proven otherwise at least. Rivers is very very good.

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by BLou on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions

but rivers is a bitch

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

My point exactly

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Apr 29, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions

Wrecked!

Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.

by Ditkavsworld on Apr 29, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

So Rivers is the Better than Cutler?

I guess that makes sense, seeing Rivers has the best tight end in the NFL, the best runningback in the NFL, Two probowl caliber WRs, the best Offensive line in the NFL, has a top five defense, and plays in the shittiest defensive division in the league.

Yep, and besides the fact the league voted Cutler to the probowl and not Rivers, Oh yeah, he’s definitely better than Cutler.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Except for best RB, I will go with #2

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by chi-town on Apr 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Rivers is a glorified game manager.

he dumps the ball to the closest receiver and they take it all the way to the house. an every once in a while he’ll throw a bomb to Vincent Jackson on a broken play.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 29, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't forget

but rivers is a bitch R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.

by Ditkavsworld on Apr 29, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions

i mock Kurt Warner as a top 5 qb

Kyle Orton could put up those numbers on that team.

Did you watch Kurt play on the Giants? Not so good.

Issac Bruce/Torry Holt and Fizt/Boldin really help a guy out.

by tempchad on Apr 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Warner with the Giants was an interesting year...

From the coaching situation, to drafting Eli, etc. But, to stay on topic, in 9 starts, Warner had over 2,000 yards. He was also sacked 39 times. But, he had weapons there too… Toomer, Hilliard, Shockey, Barber…

The year before, Kerry Collins had the same weapons, and threw for over 3,000 yards. Does that mean Collins > Warner based on the numbers of 1 season? Certainly not… a lot of other factors went into Warner’s season with the Giants… injuries, a porous OL, and a coaching fiasco.

Warner is a true gun-slinger, and has been lucky to have always been surrounded by good talent. I wouldn’t say that just because of a bad year in NY that his accolades should be marred.

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by Dane Noble on Apr 29, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions

no. they shouldn't

what i’m saying is that his stats look great because of the talent he had around him.

by tempchad on Apr 29, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions

And that is a thought I have been mulling over for a few years now...

and may be able to try and put it on paper for an article. But, if you say that you mock Warner being in someone’s top 5, simply because of the talent he has been surrounded with over his career, than why not say the same about Manning, Brady, Ben, etc? What if Manning had gone to the Detroit Millens, or Brady to the Oakland Davises? What if any of the “terrible” QBs over the last few years had played somewhere other than Tampa Bay, Detroit, Oakland, etc? Might they have put up great numbers in New England or Indianapolis?

I know this is a crazy rant, but having great coaches and being surrounded by talent could make even the weakest of QBs successful, and having the best QBs on the worst teams could have changed the course of their careers as well. Hell, I don’t know what I am trying to get at… which might explain why it has been only a nagging thought in my mind for the last few years…

by Dane Noble on Apr 29, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Jeff Garcia and even John Kitna but up big numbers on mediocre teams

by tempchad on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions

id take cutler over rivers too

besides the fact that from everything i hear Rivers is a Collossal Prick he doesnt have the skills that Cutler does. And his history is less impressive, unless you throw out the wins and losses into the argument. In which case Id say that SDs defense is a million times better then Denvers and therefore gave Rivers more chances to win. Gimme Jay any day.

"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas

by Halas is God!!!!! on Apr 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

My prediction for the 2010 Bears draft...

JA trades our 2011 1st round pick to jump into the first and snag Eric Berry or Taylor Mays

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Apr 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions

I hope so.

Safety, safety, safety next year

and OG and C.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Anquan Boldin to the Bears was never going to happen

Boldin is one of the elite receivers in the game whose is in his prime and under contract to the Arizona Cardinals. The only way they were going to trade him is if they received an outstanding package in return. The #49 pick and some pocket lint was never ever in a million billion years going to cut it. Supposedly the NY Giants offered Arizona their first round pick (granted, it was in the bottom of the round) and “other considerations” only for Arizona to say no dice.

Boldin will be playing his football in Arizona. End of subject.

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by BLou on Apr 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions

the bar was raised with Cutler

If not for the acquisition of Cutler, this would never have been expected, let alone allowed to enter into anyone’s fantasyland. The fact that JA was able to land Cutler raised prior expectations into the upper stratoshere – simply put, not realistic.

by Waylon on Apr 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions

not to mention how rare it is to get a deal done in the NFL these days

How many times are rumored deals splashed across the headlines, and yet never seem to be consummated?

by Waylon on Apr 29, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions

speaking of rumors

What happened with braylon? still being traded?

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by chi-town on Apr 29, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Who Knows?

Excellent lead.
We have no idea as to how the negotiations went and have no basis for comment.
The trash talkers are the expected few that bash JA out of reflex.
We did alright already this spring, and anything else is pure gravy!
I have a feeling that threre will be a few more moves on the horizon that will only make us deeper and stromger!
Go Bears!

by pete banachi on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions

Totally nitpicky....

But we lost our three to the broncos and the 99ty was not tradeable.
Thanks for playing though.

Awww, man what am I supposed to do about my sig now?

by scespy12 on Apr 29, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions

I don't think anything would've made Arizona trade him

They have to “try” to save face with his demands… but why would they move him? He’s got time left on his contract. He’s pissed off and will take that as fuel on the field…

Formerly HBCG

by Allie on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions

According to Mort and Clayton

ari never had any intention of trading boldin….they just put it out there to tell him “hey we tried but we didnt get a fair deal” to sort of ease his mind (add in that the warner was adamant that they keep boldin anyways)….

with james getting cut looks like they are going to restructure warner and fitz contracts and attempt to sign boldin long term….

Would of been nice but I knew boldin was not going anywhere….

by CloudyFuture on Apr 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions

Of all the Players that demand more money or want to be traded

How many actually sat out any games in the regular season that you can remember. The only one i remember is Emmit Smith when he sat out 4 games was it? (tempchad am i right on this one?) So i predict he is still going to play and play at a high level when the season starts but sometimes a player complaining enough does seem to get his wish and be traded. I don’t think Arizona is gonna be one of those teams tho from what i’ve seen so far.

by Chitownproduct on Apr 30, 2009 3:58 AM CDT reply actions