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NightLink: How the Cutler-Orton Trade Went Down

Peter King's name has been mentioned a few times on the blog lately, and I came across another article from him that I found interesting.  Apparently, he has talked to a lot of people that were in the middle of the trade talks, and has provided us with a few interesting snippets of info.  My make-shift timeline (of sorts):

  • Broncos informed Bears of their "final terms":  first- and second-round picks this year, a first-round pick in 2010 and quarterback Kyle Orton.
  • Jerry Angelo thought that was too much, but said he'd talk to his bosses.  Broncos told Jerry:  "You've got half an hour."

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Peter King:

A few things went though Angelo's mind, including the last time he was part of a staff that traded two No. 1s for a player. "We did Keyshawn Johnson for two ones in Tampa Bay, and we really got burned by it,'' he told me Friday night. "But this is a quarterback. Maybe a really good quarterback.''

  •  Jerry called the Broncos back and offered two ones, Orton and this year's fourth-round pick.
  • The Broncos made this compromise:  two first-round picks, Orton, and this year's third-round pick for Cutler and Denver's fifth-round pick this year.
  • Book it... done!

"It was high-stakes poker,'' Angelo said when it was over. "And I couldn't see anyone else's hand.''

...

King then mentions a few things that he learned about the trade...

1- The key to the trade was Kyle Orton.

But as the deal went down, McDaniels, who watched every offensive snap of more than 10 Bears games with Orton playing, got more and more impressed with Orton's arm, his decision-making and his ability to extend plays when the pocket broke down.

2- The Bears were sure the deal was collapsing Thursday afternoon, because the Broncos weren't answering phone calls, e-mails or texts. GM Jerry Angelo thought he'd gotten the rug pulled out from underneath him.

Angelo hadn't heard from the Broncos for about three hours, and got so nervous by mid-afternoon Chicago time that he sent McDaniels a text message that said, in effect, "We gotta get this done. What's it gonna take for the Bears to win this?''

3-  The Jets were never in it seriously -- true story.

New York is either convinced that Brett Ratliff or Kellen Clemens is its guy, or the Jets think the New York spotlight would have been too white-hot for a rabbit-ears guy like Cutler to handle, or they didn't want to pay two first-round picks for Cutler after giving a third for one season of Brett Favre.

4-  All you Redskins fans who are so sure youwerethisclose to getting Cutler? Total BS.

Yes, Washington was competitive, and the 'Skins would have done whatever it took to get Cutler. But once McDaniels decided Orton was his man -- even though Washington's first-round pick would have been the 13th overall, five slots ahead of Chicago's -- the contest was over. The 'Skins were out of it, even though Cutler and greater Washington were sure it almost happened.

5- In the end, this trade happened so quickly because, first and foremost, the owner of the Broncos felt dissed.

And you do not diss Pat Bowlen. Bowlen is 65. He has owned the team for 25 years. In Bowlen's world, there is a protocol to doing business, and part of that protocol is the players and coaches having respect for the owner, regardless of their personal feelings about anyone else in the organization.

 

I am not only surprised at Jerry Angelo's aggressiveness in the pursuit of Cutler, but also impressed.  I am also surprised that McDaniels was as sold on Orton as he was.  It makes me wonder... if he was so stuck on Orton that it eliminated the Redskins from the running, does that mean the Bears could have ended up paying less in the trade?  I wonder if Angelo had sniffed this out, if he had low-balled the Broncos, if they would have still made the trade, traded him to the Skins even though they didn't want to, or just not made a trade at all...

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HOLY CRAP

Bunch of what ifs….. nice to kinda get a behind the scenes play by play on how the deal went down, boy am i gonna be pissed if orton turns into the next tom brady, wouldnt that be a kick to the nuts…. either way im happy with the end result, those two first round picks probaly would have been a bust anyways, would have liked that 3rd but hey we got that compestory pick so its kinda a wash

"" Jay Cutler is our quaterback" haha

by NOR CAL BEAR on Apr 6, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is...

..the broncos are gonna run the spread style offense, same thing Orton ran in college, and he’s throwing to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal. Now, granting McD is going to overhaul the whole offensive scheme, it eliminates the cheap “cut blocking” scheme the bronco’s o-line used to run, which will probably result in a slight drop off, but they still have good young tackles. Meanwhile, Cutler is throwing to Hester and Bennett and…….?

So its entirely possible Orton has a better season, statistically speaking, than Cutler does this year. But in the coming seasons, when we can build around Jay, I’m almost positive we’ll have got the better end of this deal.

"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka

by EricEmpire on Apr 6, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mind a comment

Grew up in Chi, still lvoe the city.

The Brnoco don’t, and never have, run a ‘cheap cut blocking’ scheme. This is a media based myth taht’s been around for years. What the Broncos do run is a zone-blocking scheme, and they run it better, IMHO, than anyone. Their running game for the past 10 years reflects that, and McDaniels kept the only coaches (Rick Dennison, O line and Bobby Turner, RBs) that have been involved with it. It was originally put in place by Alex Gibb and Dennison has been running it for a long time.

The Broncos also use a ‘gap’ (sometimes called a ‘regular’) blocking scheme. This occurs when the guards pull. New England was fond of it and McD has said that Denver will use it a bit more, but the essential scheme will stay in place.

What the media mis-spoke was the idea that the blocking is in any way illegal. That’s incorrect. The blockers cannot engage a player both above and below the waist (one player on each). That is, and always has been illegal. We’ve never done that. It’s an immediate penalty, and that’s a good rule. It’s called a ‘chop’ block. A cut block is legal, Chicago uses it as well, as do nearly every team in football. This is a common mistake.

Zone blocking involves using lighter, more athletic players on the O line. The players have a predetermined scheme in which two lineman engage a D lineman. They attempt to redirect him, and the running back has a split second To chose a lane, cut once, and go. It requires a different skillset for both the O line and the RBs, hence keeping both coaches.

I thought that I’d offer a link discussing the RB side of the ZB scheme, here I also wanted to offer one to the zone-blocking scheme, written by a very good, well trained coach who goes by the moniker of HT or hoosierteacher. You’ll like him – great guy, and very knowledgeable.

I think that both teams have done well on the trade, and wish both he and the Bears all the best this coming year.

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 6, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks but I handle that here.

Appreciate though.

Awww, man what am I supposed to do about my sig now?

by scespy12 on Apr 7, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. No offense meant

The comment was inaccurate, and that subject has been mis-portrayed for ages. That’s all.

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 7, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if you handle that...

Why didn’t you correct EricEmpire in the first place?

I don’t know what kind of site you guys run, but that was pretty arrogant and an honestly irritating comment. Bear is too nice to say anything, but I’ll call you out on it.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an Orton fan

and you can say a lot of things about Orton… but

his ability to extend plays when the pocket broke down.

i don’t remember any of that.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 6, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Extending plays

Orton did show a little of this, but how many positive plays resulted from him “extending” the play?

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 6, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen sister

I’ve no beef with Orton either. When I read that I was rollin.

by Fridge72 on Apr 6, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Translation?

If “extend plays” translates to “ran for his life because of the awful pass protection”, then I have to agree. Maybe not quickly or gracefully, or with any real benefit other than self preservation, but there was a lot of extending going on. God I really hope those days are over.

A teacher in Milwaukee asked her 3rd grade class if they were all Packer fans. They all raised their hands except one little boy who said he was a
Bears fan. The teacher asked him why, and he replied that his parents were Bears fans. "Well that's no reason to like a team," snappped the teacher, a long time Green Bay fan. "What if your parents didn't know anything about football or they were just plain dumb?" The boy looked up at her and smiled. "Then obviously they'd be Packers fans."

by JerBear50 on Apr 7, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he was so stuck on Orton that it eliminated the Redskins from the running, does that mean the Bears could have ended up paying less in the trade?

Maybe, but what the hell – potential franchise QBs don’t come onto the market too often, and even rarer to see them end up as Bears.

by Spongie on Apr 6, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

What’s another pick? Angelo is great with 5th round picks, so to me, it was a no-brainer.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 6, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The professor

I think he did a fantastic job given the fact he didn’t know who was in running, and what they were offering. Getting Cutler will turn out to be JA’s finest hour.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by propheteer on Apr 6, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bennett

this maybe a little off the subject, but does anyone remember Bennett’s wonderlick score? I mean if he misses his entire rooky season because he can’t understand the play book maybe we should take that into consideration when deciding to take a WR with the 2nd round pick.

by Bears-Bullsfan on Apr 6, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sort of on your topic

does anyone know where Bennent played mostly in college?

Because on the radio the other day he said he had problems learning all 3 positions (right, left, slot)… so maybe it was just unfamiliarlity?

I don’t know and I don’t know how to look that up.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am wondering

how many rookie receivers try to learn all three positions coming in, i’ve never heard it brought up before.

by mike b on Apr 7, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be kinda weird

I’m guessing it’s hard enough to learn one but all three sounds crazy. Hopefully it’ll pay off this season tho

"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."

by Acreman20 on Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the radio

Turner was making him learn all three… thats why he struggled with the play book.

He’ll have to be better this year… plus Cutler knows him so that should help.

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 7, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could just imagine

Ron Turner standing on top of a bleacher on the practice field with a bullwhip in his hand, snarling at Earl. Meanwhile, Earl is sweating and dry-heaving from running all the routes in all the positions. Ron chuckles and says “guess that Vanderbilt education hasn’t payed off huh?”

Then he whips the C of the helmet and laughs some more.

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 7, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're a very strange man

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 7, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you never change.

:-)

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Apr 8, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a story from ChicagoBears.com

This is what Chris Williams had to say about Earl and Cutler:

"When he and Earl hooked up Earl’s freshman year, Earl [barely knew] the playbook, but he’d be telling Earl, ‘Just kind of go inside the safety or whatever’ and they got it done."

That tells me that:

1) Maybe Earl Bennett isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed

2) He learned it eventually and dominated on the NCAA level. Hopefully he can be a decent receiver for us.

I'M A MAN! I'M 22!

by ChiFan13 on Apr 7, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett

doesent bother me any. When cutler was a seinor and Bennett was a freshmen the were breaking sec records like 5 td’s in 1 game….how many bear recievers even had 3 td’s in a game

by SuperBowlXX on Apr 7, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we trade that second round pick to the chiefs for mark bradley

it’d be like drafting him all over again. Oh yeah!

Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!

by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 6, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)

by Dane Noble on Apr 6, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncos/Bowlin/Elway and Cutler

I worked for John Elway and Pat Bowlin for almost 5 years. Sold cars for them in Denver. Yada, yada, yada.

Anyway I had the chance to meet both on a personal level.

John was one of those guys you could sit down and have a beer with. No matter super bowl, pro-bowl your boss, or otherwise.

Pat Bowlin is one of the smartest business men I have ever met. He understands the NFL and how to make the most of what he has better than almost any owner. He knew it was time to let Cutler go and make the most of a bad situation. Can’t say Bears ownership would be able to handle this situation.

Anyway Bowlin is pretty sharp. He is a players owner. Takes care of his guys. Can’t say the Bears do that.

Anyway, I think BOTH teams made out with this trade. The Broncos need some big time draft picks on the defence and we just got our 1st FRANCISE FREAKIN QUARTERBACK in 20 or more years.

I guess what I was trying to say was that I am proud of the Bears for going out and making this deal happen. It’s the first time in a very long time that they went out and made something happen.

by DaddyBear54 on Apr 7, 2009 4:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, regarding Bowlin

I wouldn’t heap so much praise on Bowlin as NFL owner. He inherited John Elway who to me, played the position probably better than anyone else in the history of the league. Bowlin has owned the Broncos for a quarter century, and won two SB’s with this all-time great QB. Fine.

Bowlin gave Mike Shanahan more power than any other HC i the league. Post Elway, for a decade the Broncos won exactly one playoff game (against four losses). In that same decade, the woeful Arizona Cardinals also won one playoff game (against only one loss). Anytime you’ve just as well as the AZ. Cardinals (at least until this past year), that’s really not something to brag about.

This in the AFC West, which has pretty much been a two-team division, as Oakland and KC have mostly been terrible in the recent past.

Bowlin gave Shanahan total control of his team. Shanahan did a very good job with the offense and a horrible job with the defense. Eventually Bowlin figured this out and fired him. One side without the other usually doesn’t cut it in the NFL, unless the one side can dominate (see 2000 Ravens defense).

Both Pat Bowlin and Mike Shanahan inherited an all time great QB in John Elway. Both men should be eternally grateful. Take Elway away from each of those gentlemen and I’m pretty confident that the "footbal intelligence’ of both those guys goes way, way way down.

by GeoMak on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

How great is the Bears owner then? 1-1 in the past 25 years?

Bowlen is 2-3…

KC went to the playoffs in 2006.

Shanny has won 1 playoff game in 10 years, sorry we don’t have the patience of a Bears fan to wait 20 years between each Super Bowl appearance.

Elway took three bad teams to Super Bowls and lost. Bowlen and Shanny built a team around him that won two Super Bowls.

Pat Bowlen is one of the league’s premier owners. His embodiment of work includes a Top 3 winning percentage and a myriad of Division Titles and Super Bowl appearances.

I am only saying.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are very very wrong

Elway did show up in the 2nd superbowl win, but the first win agains Green Bay (as was the whole season practically) was won by Terrel Davis if it has to be attributed to any one player. Elway was not clicking at all in that game. Denver won in spite of his performance not because of it.

Elway got 2 superbowls because as Zappa said, they built around him finally and made teams pick their poison…are you going to stop TD or are you going to stop Elway? It was one or the other, but both could not be denied.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 16, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDaniels must be talking about some other Kyle Orton
But as the deal went down, McDaniels, who watched every offensive snap of more than 10 Bears games with Orton playing, got more and more impressed with Orton’s arm, his decision-making and his ability to extend plays when the pocket broke down.

by smutsboy1 on Apr 7, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

still better than the Mike Phipps situation

They very well may have overpaid, but sometimes you have to roll the dice and hope for the best. I referred above to the disaster that was the last time they did a deal for a QB that involved high draft choices, and that one was truly awful.

by Waylon on Apr 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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