Could D.J. Moore Be Starting Next To Charles Tillman?
This is based on the same article as the one below, but I wanted a seperate post for discussion.
There is some thought that D.J. Moore could be the Bears #2 cornerback.
Word is Moore’s opportunity to start would be predicated on Nathan Vasher’s continued regression. “If Vasher doesn’t get any better, I think Moore could have a decent shot at beating out Corey Graham (as the starting right corner),” the insider said. “(Moore) was ranked a lot higher than the fourth round, and he was a starter for three years in college who won’t be overwhelmed by the pro level. He doesn’t have great speed or size, but he plays much bigger than his size and is not a finesse corner, which is what Vasher has become. If nothing else, Moore has a good shot at being the third corner.”
I am still under the impression the Bears are high on Corey Graham, but this might go hand in hand with the earlier story that the Bears are going to give Graham a shot at safety in camp.
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I'm really digging this year's draft class.
Hopefully, Angelo found some guys who can step up and contribute immediately, especially in areas of the most need.
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by Dane Noble on May 12, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DJ
After his pick, I thought he might be a guy with the best chance to contribute on the defensive side of the ball (Iglesias on offense). He has natural cover and ball skills which will bode well in the cover-2. His 5’9" stature shouldn’t be a problem cause of his vertical jump.
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by propheteer on May 12, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they are starting to think Vasher isn't going to be what they want...
maybe they need to find someone who actually wants him and work a deal. Now what team that might be I have no idea. But if there is one in a certain state that ends in zona and would take Dez and Vasher and maybe a 2nd rounder in the future, I’d say get it done.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lol...
Nicely done.
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by Dane Noble on May 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caught that huh.
thanks! I’m sure Chad and ChiFan will appreciate it.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 12, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe Arizona...
… isn’t and has never been serious about trading The Bears piece to the puzzle.
by rdent4hof on May 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely would be all for that!
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 12, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Get Giving Up On Vasher
The guy’s been hurt, misses tackles, and tries to arm tackle too much, I get it. But there’s no one on this roster that can match his hands and experience that is trying to unseat him as the #2 CB.
As far as labeling him a ‘finesse corner’ is a little overboard. Sure he’s not as physical of a corner as some, but isn’t that reflective of the coverage he’s asked to play in? Jam at the line and release. I’m not disputing his tackling has regressed tremendously, but to bring a rookie into the conversation to bench a 27 year old, 6 year vet who’s been to the Pro Bowl is a bit astonishing, especially before Training Camp has even begun.
by Bear_Down on May 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are these hands you speak of?
He made a name as a ball hawk his first season as starter and hasn’t done anything close since.
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by Adam T on May 12, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Was Decent
After his sole Pro Bowl season in ‘05 during the Super Bowl year, but he’s battled injuries the past 2 years. He’s obviously dropped off in terms of INT’s since ‘05, but does that make his hands terrible now? As stated, sometimes INT’s are a bit of luck, and having good hands is something that comes into play to take advantage of those lucky opportunities.
I just think setting up a position battle for inexperience at a position where we have someone who’s shown he can play it in the past is a little unsettling. I think trying to bring a guy with proven success in the past and resurrecting his career is a little easier than sticking a 1st or 2nd year guy right into the fold.
by Bear_Down on May 12, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue the injuries
but I haven’t seen anything that shows he even is covering well. Now maybe that is also a statement of our entire secondary, but he was being replaced by Graham late last season and it was reported that the Bears were not happy with Vasher’s performance. He hasn’t lived up to his contract.
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by Adam T on May 12, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah in their schemes if the safety isnt where he is
supposed to be it definitely makes the corner look like he was the one who got beat. I mean there have been many times we have got beaten deep and its cause the safety wasnt where he was supposed to be. They need to play more man coverage. For one Tillman is best in man and has proven that time and again. Wasnt it Plaxico that called him out and he shut his ass down. Now im not sure how Vasher is in Man coverage but either way, until we get our safety situation figured out our corners will keep looking bad.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on May 12, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't
given up YET. I think I speak for most people when I say “The Bears need Nathan Vasher to produce big time this year”. Not just because he has been over payed the last two seasons. I say mainly because The Bears are very thin, inconsistent, and inexperienced at the position. Graham? Moore? He will have every opportunity to prove his worth.
by rdent4hof on May 12, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh! If he doesn't?
Hit the road JACK!!
by rdent4hof on May 12, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never liked Vasher, he’s slow, he’s not physial, he’s had some lucky picks, and when ever the defense calls for some man to man it’s Tillman that takes the responsibility
I always thought he’d be better as the nickle back
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
could...
move him to free safety and let graham/moore battle or split time if vasher does not improve
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
by tomh115 on May 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vasher at FS?
I am just wondering if anyone has thought about Vasher at FS? He is such a ballhawk, he might be better than anyone we have there now.
by devineben32 on May 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
secondary will improve
mainly as a result of defensive pressure on the quarterback. Nobody in the Bears secondary is really impressive, so Moore cracking the rotation wouldn’t surprise me. The odds of Vasher and/or Peanut playing the entire season unscathed are not good either.
I expect the entire defensive unit (including Vasher) to play elite football this season. They have all the talent and more… they don’t now nor have they ever really had a dominant secondary. Cutler will now give the Defense a much needed chance to rest while Cutler and Forte march down field… goodbye 3 and outs followed by defensive lapses. Mainly: rested defense = better tackling= tone of game/turnovers= Bears football at its best.
by No It All on May 12, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Still have Ron Turner to worry about
I’m convinced this guy can do nothing but manage a game at best and this will be his last season. Now that the bears have weapons on offense, everyone will see how truly bad of a coordinator this guy actually is.
by Rbmann21 on May 12, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Is this a thread on the secondary?
by pete banachi on May 12, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not
the secondary bone is connected to the offense bone. medical fact.
by No It All on May 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry should have been more specific
I was referring to his comment about the offense marching down the field giving the d more rest.
by Rbmann21 on May 12, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there are several good things here:
First, if Graham is good enough to compete for the job with a healthy Vasher, that’s +1 for both.
Second, if Moore is good enough as a rookie to push for playing time, particularly as a nickel, then that’s excellent value in the 4th round (where we also picked Vasher, if memory serves).
Entering the season with four CBs who can really play? That’s a luxury. We don’t have that most years.
It does sorta leave us with that FS hole … and I agree with Pete below that the annual loss of Mike Brown has killed the secondary in recent years. But hope springs eternal. Maybe we can pick a free safety now and coach him up into that role.
People keep saying Tillman or Vasher should be given a shot at FS. Me, I’d like to see Manning get every opportunity to earn it. He’s just not a corner, and he’s got the talent. We just don’t know if he’s got the head required to play NFL FS.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on May 12, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vasher Needs to Play Well
because it opens up so many possibilities in the secondary. You can feel comfortable trying Bowman or Graham at FS to compete with Bullocks because you’ll have the depth at CB to do so. You can have Moore try his hands at NB and spend time backing up for season before you just throw him out there with NFL WR’s. And you’ll have a Pro Bowl caliber guy back to playing the way you know he can.
by uli on May 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vasher Needs to Play Well
because he’ll get cut if he doesn’t produce for yet another season.
by Spongie on May 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mix and Match = Major Screw-ups
None of these guys in the secondary have been in football long enough to be randomly mixed and matched thru out the secondary. Two maybe three have a good understanding of their own position but that’s it. Good secondary play is like good OL play. You have to know your duties, what your going to do And Then; dovetail that with what everyone else is doing, … and then you add about a thousand reps of this!
The old, "whose got who? AND for How Long. When to release? When to Break off?
The reason the Bears where always so good whenever Mike Brown was on the field was not only the energy and physical presence he brought but the Knowledge of the (entire) Secondary he brought. He was another coach. But even better, he was a coach on the field of play. He was there in Real Time moving the young guys around; he was there in Live Time calling the overages as the play developed. He could recognize it just as fast or faster than the guys on the sidelines or up in the box AND there was no lag time or pipeline distance the info had to travel. He barked-out the coverage’s instantly as the play unfolded. This ongoing problem of constantly moving guys around has already been touched on by a few of the above posts, and that is … how to interact with your teammates when your not sure what you should be doing let alone being confident about what they are doing. Who’s got who? For how long? When do I hang and when do I release, and if I do release, Where do I go? What’s my next area/player of responsibility?
Another issue. We have over the last few years, been drafting guys on the basis of buffed/athletic “Potential”. Who cares if he’s, in the words of an old passed-on Bear Scout, “Dumber than a Board”!
Maybe you can get away with that at the college level, but Pro Ball is so much more cerebral and faster, that the “intellectually challenged” are toast.
It matters not how big you are or how fast you are, if you have no idea where the F*ck you are?!?
Hey! It’s no secret! Most all those 1st Rd. busts are not because they can’t run 4.39 or Vertical 39" or put up 39 reps, … they Can! It’s not because they don’t have the Tools, it’s because they don’t have the G2, the FBI, the Smarts.
And last but not least. The fact that Lovie bought in a bunch of cronies with ZERO Pro NFL Coaching experience was a guaranteed recipe for the failure of the last few years. Even if we did get a potentially good player, in some/many cases the good experienced coaching wasn’t there to develop him. Look at all the guys we cut that went on to be “Starters” elsewhere!!!
Mix and match = Major Screw -ups
And that Ladies and gentlemen concludes my Doctoral Thesis on: The Chicago Bears during the Lovie Years. LOL!!!
NOTE: the current shake up and new acquisitions in the coaching ranks of Experienced Coaches, might be an indication that they may just have figured this out?
by pete banachi on May 12, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Forward this blog
to Vasher’s email address. Maybe that will light a fire under his ass!
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on May 12, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It might hurt his weedle feewings, tho...
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on May 12, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vasher is a problem but...
I’ve heard many arguments that “Peanut” Tillman is to blame for not making the playoffs. His penalty cost us the game against Tampa. Some are arguing that is our one game we needed. Now I’m not subscribing to it, but it’s an interesting concept. Thoughts?
by Ditka,Sausage,Bears on May 12, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a bonehead play.
But Peanut doesn’t strike me as the problem.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on May 12, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of pass rush
… and Brian Urlacher’s steadily eroding physical skills, that’s the problem.
I think Marinelli improves the pass rush. I HOPE that Urlacher is healthier now that he’s a year removed from that back injury. He simply isn’t the force he was just a few years ago when he was running down Michael Vick and blowing up plays.
At the moment, I’d have to say the best player on the defense is Briggs, followed by Tillman. Harris would be next (he should be No. 1 at this point, but isn’t healthy enough). If Urlacher is only your 4th best defender, then…yikes.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on May 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When our line does it's job and Urlacher has more room to roam,
he will have another great season. I don’t think we should put him on the down side of his career just yet eventhough I constantly here that.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 12, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think too many people would say that he has nothing left,
but he is definitely not where he was say 2 or 3 years ago. Urlacher may indeed be 100% over his back/neck injury, but his body isn’t where it used to be. He has also lost a lot of speed, which was one of his biggest assest when running sideline to sideline making plays.
That being said, I still think Urlacher has a couple of all-pro years left in him. With a (hopefully) revamped pass-rush, he should have more freedom in the open field… and I’d still put him in the top 5-7 ILBs in the league.
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by Dane Noble on May 12, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Politely disagree GB
While I don’t believe he’s the DPOY anymore, I saw on several occasions last year where he did run sideline to sideline and make the tackle. The line has to get the penetration necessary in order to free him up a bit more; we didn’t see this kind of play out of the D-line very often last season.
btw- I love your new signature!
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by propheteer on May 12, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears did a lot of using Urlacher and Briggs
as run stoppers. That puts Urlacher in the middle taking on backs. That isn’t to his strength. If the Bears can stop the run without using the linebackers on a regular basis, I think we will see Urlacher’s numbers go up.
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by Adam T on May 12, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that.
By that line of reasoning- it’s the D-Line’s fault- wouldn’t Briggs have had an off year, too?
I really think it was dealing with his back that slowed the guy down. Back injuries affect every single movement you make. Apparently, he’s not doing any treatment on it like he was last year, and is completely over the injury. We’ll see.
by uli on May 13, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rushing straight up the middle is different
than Briggs playing on the sides. I’m not saying it is the only reason, but if Urlacher was free to stand back from the line the majority of the time and react to the play, his numbers probably would have been better.
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by Adam T on May 13, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a read and react defense
Each front seven defender has a gap they need to contain, and Urlacher needs to plug his without worrying about someone else’s assignment. Without the necessary penetration by the DTs, he’s unable to “fill his gap” with consistency.
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by propheteer on May 13, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget
Kevin Payne too, seems like he was all over the field last season. I’m excited to see how much he’s improved all around. Yes, the pass rush (if that’s what you called it) was the main problem on Defense.
by Ditka,Sausage,Bears on May 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point, Payne I think will improve
and our DL will to. I have said it before, without a pass rush both our db’s and linebacker’s have to work harder and don’t look as good. I am not saying that they cannot do a better job, but it all starts with the line.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 12, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just read
Winfield has shut down contract talks with the ’queens, maybe JA will make him an offer (jest)
by Ditka,Sausage,Bears on May 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, what is this?
I leave for one day and we signed another TE and we are discussing two rookies becoming starters. I missed a lot.
But I am all for Moore over Vasher. Unless Vasher can make a helluva comeback.
by GallopingGhost on May 12, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We wait for no man.
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by Adam T on May 12, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, to make it welcoming for HoneyBear and Allie
No one. :)
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by ChiFan13 on May 12, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No!, we wait for no man
we always wait for the ladies, because we are gentlemen like that.
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by Adam T on May 12, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aww... how nice!
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